If you get a fanstastic drop...

[Magikhat]

Dont be a fool and tell people you know about it. I get an enchant which sells for 1500ish gold on my server. I made the mistake of telling my Real Life friends about it. I offered it to one of my friends in real life for 200 gold. Somehow im the greedy one. Not only do i need get instance invites anymore, but they are mad at me in real life. WTF? Its a ****ing game. Out of the half dozen real life friends I play with, im the only one without a flying mount. You would think they would have thrown me a bone. For christ sake

[PlayThemAll]

It really sounds like they are the greedy ones in this scenario.

If they have given you a ton of stuff over time and you have not returned the favor I guess I could see it but I don't know the history.

[kevagron]

Maybe you could have given it for free but insisted on 50% of his profits from that enchant? :)

[CorinthianSC]

It all depends on context, and your history with your friends.

If I get a rare drop that a friend/guildie can use, I give it to them. If it's a recipe, I'll get free combines.

As a side note: If you can't afford your flying mount the moment you hit 70, you're doing something wrong. Just questing and selling BOP greens from quests, I had 1300g by 70. (Walked into Outlands with 40g) Any BoE greens I looted were DE'ed, not sold. I'm a skinner/leatherworker, so I didn't get money from gathering.

[Magikhat]

I cant afford my flying mount because I have been working on tradeskills and giving my friends all my mats.

[MellanCholera]

Sadly this will happen over and over to you. In real life very often if you help people they'll start to feel a sense of entitlement. They get upset if you ask them to pay you back, or if one time you decide not to help them out. In those cases they'll call you greedy, all sorts of names, etc. I've had this happen, and seen it happen whenever a friend lends money to another friend, the one who lent the money is always the "evil greedy bastard". Because if you lent money, or in the game materials etc, you must be "rich" and not need it back, so they see nothing wrong with not paying you back or returning the favor. Hence the adage "neither a borrower nor lender be" it causes problems in friendships.

The odd thing is that if you NEVER helped anyone in the first place, they wouldn't call you the names or think bad things.

That is why I have a secret bank alt and mail everything to it. later I decide if I want to offer an item to someone or not. I never say in guild chat when I find a boe blue, I mail it and decide later if I know someone that can use it or not. I give a certain percent of the mats I farm away, the rest I sell from my alt I don't tell people what I do , since they will begrudge me the stuff I sell. I don't need that.

People like to demand that other people give 100% all the time, but they themselves don't. You have to take care of yourself not just others.

[Magikhat]

Sadly this will happen over and over to you. In real life very often if you help people they'll start to feel a sense of entitlement. They get upset if you ask them to pay you back, or if one time you decide not to help them out. In those cases they'll call you greedy, all sorts of names, etc. I've had this happen, and seen it happen whenever a friend lends money to another friend, the one who lent the money is always the "evil greedy bastard". Because if you lent money, or in the game materials etc, you must be "rich" and not need it back, so they see nothing wrong with not paying you back or returning the favor. Hence the adage "neither a borrower nor lender be" it causes problems in friendships.

The odd thing is that if you NEVER helped anyone in the first place, they wouldn't call you the names or think bad things.



Wow. That was well said and I couldnt agree more. In fact when reading your post, that is exactly how I feel...yet I couldnt find the words until i read yours.

[kreyson]

Just remember, if it is a RARE drop that is worth a ton of money and you give it to your freind for free or at 1/10th of the cost. Your friend is the one making all of the money.

Not You.

If you are RL and you do give each other alot of stuff, I suggest do as what you did, sell it at a discount.

Personally, If i have a ton of cash and no major purchases to be made, I will give it away for free to a friend or sell it at severe discount.

[Stigg]

This is why I stay away from mixing
work/pleasure
gaming/real life
drinking/driving
cocaine/guns


Choose one from each of those and you will go far...err...kinda

[gmedina]

or get new friends. I tell my guildmates all the time what i got and stuff no complaints. As a lvl 51 if i get a green or decent blue i can't use i will sell to guildie or give to the mage i always play with. If i get a purple epic drop i will sell to guildie and or sell to mage friend at steep discount or give depending on my current situation. I expect the same in return and works out well. I guess it just depends on your friends and how mature they are.

[Magikhat]

Just remember, if it is a RARE drop that is worth a ton of money and you give it to your freind for free or at 1/10th of the cost. Your friend is the one making all of the money.

Not You.

If you are RL and you do give each other alot of stuff, I suggest do as what you did, sell it at a discount.

Personally, If i have a ton of cash and no major purchases to be made, I will give it away for free to a friend or sell it at severe discount.


Inded it was a rare. It was a enchant boar speed or something to that effect. +9stamina and minor speed increase. The enchant itself isnt that great but the fact that its a rare drop, no one has it, its blue, and its a 360enchanting pattern it goes for crazy money on the server im at. In fact alakazam has it listed as 2000g median.

[mesonm]

Dont be a fool and tell people you know about it. I get an enchant which sells for 1500ish gold on my server. I made the mistake of telling my Real Life friends about it. I offered it to one of my friends in real life for 200 gold. Somehow im the greedy one. Not only do i need get instance invites anymore, but they are mad at me in real life. WTF? Its a ****ing game. Out of the half dozen real life friends I play with, im the only one without a flying mount. You would think they would have thrown me a bone. For christ sake

well, I challenge ANYTHING that someone claims "sells" for 1500g...It may be priced at that, but never sell.

As for the situation, I think your RL 'friends' are lame...

[CrystalThrall]

It never fails to amaze me how "friends" seem to just spring up from the woodworks whenever you happen upon something that could benefit you immensely. All of a sudden you're on everyone's GO-TO list for favors that, because you're their "friend", they expect you to just pony up without cost as a "good deed" to them. These people aren't known as friends...they're leeches.

I lived with these types of people all my life until recently. They're not worth your time or effort despite all they cry and whine about. If you're the overwhelmingly nice and generous person you say you are then they're going to be right there to be the first in line to take advantage of you and your luck.

The simplest thing you can say to them is "no". Small word, one syllable, but it comes with what seems like an awfully high price.

In my case, it took the realization that I no longer wished to have these people as my confidantes and I cut them off quite severely. These days whenever I get something I want, I keep it. If I want to sell it, I sell it. Those that were my friends say nothing.

A true friend will give you back just as much as you've given them. Never forget that.

[Radhil]

I had some purple drop in Stranglethorn as I was levelling my warrior - my first such drop in two years of playing so I was pretty psyched. I think it was a Staff of Jordan. I had quite a few friends that could have used it, but I priced it out and said "whoa". I still offered it up for somebody, but I was told to sell it. I did, and ended up buying two mounts for those friends when they finally hit their 40s (and still not running out of money until I finally got the funds for the swift horsies).

To this day, I pay my friends fair (maybe not full value, but fair ;) )for the stuff they give me (often over their objections). I give them deep discounts on all the stuff I give them. It works - no assumptions, and no accusations. Good way to be.

Bottom line: if your friends are giving you crap for selling them a rare at discount, your friends suck. If your friends suck, get better friends.

[Justinledwards]

If I get a rare drop... one of two things...
- Straight to AH (e.g. staff of divine infusions 'cos I needed my flying mount)

or

- Give away to guild friend that could use it

I like a culture within the guild where you don't charge for anything - right now all my potions are basically free, as are my basic enchants - but I give away blues & greens all the time and LW - which is now really handy for Druids and Hunters, I farm the mats myself and occasionally pop into Gchat and say hey anyone want a <whatever>. Made a Druid a thick draenic breastplate and sent him 10 arcane dust and a green BoE this morning, But he gives me awesome enchants down to his last mats...

I'm working on farming primals atm so I can make everyone in the guild a riding crop... so we've got a good little exchange system going and I hope to get a couple of mote farming runs going.

The more you give away, the more you get back.

Doesn't work with everyone, but you have to judge character a little.

[cyradis2003]

If they all have flying mounts and you don't then I think they are the ones being greedy. Tell them that you will give up the enchant if they all pitch in and help you get your flyer.

If they refuse then tell them it is just a game and a flying mount will be a lot more use than a crappy enchant so you are going to auction it.

[Steamboat]

work/pleasure
gaming/real life
drinking/driving
cocaine/guns


I choose drinking!

[moopy]

Bah, the way we normally do it is if a BoE drops, we all greed it. If it's a major upgrade for someone, the winner can choose to sell it to them, and if the person who wants it is nice, they get a decent price. Only fair, everyone needs gold.

Of course, the winner can choose to be generous, that's their choice. When the Gunblade dropped for us, the warrior won it. It would have been an upgrade for my hunter. I offered to buy it- but he gave it to me, with the proviso that I gave him some adamatite as I mined it, so he could use it to level his axecrafting. Very kind of him. However, when I found out that the item was selling for silly money, I mailed it back to him and told him to sell it, as I was getting an unreasonably good deal.

I think it's worth considering that you can only rip someone off once. Be nice to them and not only does it make everyone happy, but from a pragmatic point of view, it generally pays off several times over in the long term. Stay on the good side of good players, you never know when you will need a favour.

[Mallstrop]

I never tell my guild about nice drops, I'm sure at least one of them would want it for free.

Instead they go straight to my secret AH mule, only known by me and my brother ready to be put on the AH with out any one asking for it

[moopy]

Wow, is the mean age of your guild about twelve then, or are they all investment bankers? They sound loathesome..

[det]

I am with you Magikhat.

Told in my guild how happy I was owning a Swift Red Windrider, only to hear "Where did you buy the gold" :mad:

Gave my first primal mooncloth to a guildmate who wanted to give me his "next" shadowcloth..10 days later he still can't be bothered to return it.

Coincidentally it is his friend who he recently invited to the guild who made the "Where did you buy the gold" remark....

Yeah..I should have not mentioned my epic mount at all...

[moopy]

Yeah..I should have not mentioned my epic mount at all...

Poor det. You have to remember that a lot of people are really, really mediocre. When you are imba, you will often get accused of cheating/lying by the unwashed masses.

/comfort

It's not your fault, it's theirs. Poverty of expectation FTL.

[Aerath]

Lucky me. I'm in a good guild then.

I give out blues for cheap. (Not for free - but around vendor price or so.)
I send greenies to enchanters to shard.

I get blues back from guildies.
Within minutes I got a whisper from another guildie as he'd gotten the same item... so there's another druid in my guild made happy.

It just works both ways. I make them happy, they make me happy. Can't win 'em all of course as sometimes you really can't offer anything back, but who cares about that. In the long run it'll pretty much even out.