Gold farmers and bots need to go!

[Inistry]

Hellow ladies and gentlemen,

I've started a petition "against" goldfarmers! I'm pretty certain everyone is fed up with this, and it's about time something is being done aganist it!

Gold farmers and bots need to go! (http://petitionspot.com/petitions/losethefarmers/)

I don't no whether this will have an effect or not, but doing nothing will certainly not help at all!

Feel free to sign this petition!

[mesonm]

Feel free to sign this petition!

Or not...

Blizz is doing a great job policing this, and I doubt any petition is going to motivate anyone differently.

How about you sticking around a bit, and supporting this fine site?

[Stigg]

Yes....because signing a petition that blizz will never see is a good idea.

How can Blizz just get rid of them? Answer that and I...well I still won't sign your petition...but anyway...

[PlayThemAll]

Unless I am mistaken, AH and Farming are the only ways to get gold in WoW.

And by farming I do not endorse the use of bots, etc. I mean just grinding away and getting drops that can be sold, etc.

edit - Oh yeah and Questing but that does not seem to return as high a monetary reward

[Fursphere]

Unless I am mistaken, AH and Farming are the only ways to get gold in WoW.

And

You are mistaken.

Just go grind in outlands. Gold comes pretty easy.

The only gold sink you have pre-outlands is your level 40 mount and skills/talents/spells. Just stay away from buying things at the AH, and you'll have *plenty* of cash.

[unbdm]

Just stay away from buying things at the AH, and you'll have *plenty* of cash.

lol... just tell my kids that will you... they don't believe me...

[PlayThemAll]

Just go grind in outlands. Gold comes pretty easy.


I had to edit because I accidently posted before I had completed my thought, but that pretty much what I was tryining to say.

Unfortunatly I can't get to the Outlands yet. On the upside my Pali mount was free!!

[Wiired]

You know what I'm fed up with? The bed reputation against farmers.

Every player farms items. You farm to complete quests. You farm to get skills up. You farm for money.

BOTTING and CHEATING are bad, but that's a whole different story.

[Xlorep DarkHelm]

edit - Oh yeah and Questing but that does not seem to return as high a monetary reward

Unless you are questing in Outlands.

You know what I'm fed up with? The bed reputation against farmers.

Every player farms items. You farm to complete quests. You farm to get skills up. You farm for money.

BOTTING and CHEATING are bad, but that's a whole different story.

It's more of a misuse of the terminology. Bots and cheaters tend to be referred to as "farmers" (like "Gold farmers") -- but this really is a misnomer. Sort of like how the term "hacker" has come to mean bad things.

[JamiK]

What is botting?

[rottentomato]

^ he wants to try

[IRPander]

Um, you hate the people who supply ~70% of the auction houses auctions why exactly? Farming is a good way to get certain things for a profession, to gain a level or so and get some gold while you're at it....

If you're talking about the people who 'buy' gold and pay people to farm them gold, then yes, I agree with you, but Blizzard has done a magnificent job on it as it stands.

[Amurko]

An idea I thought of to bust gold buyers.. dunno if it's allowed..

(Yeah, I know, it kinda sounds like Dateline)

Blizzard sets up fake gold buying websites and even asks for a credit card number. When someone buys gold from the website, it records the character, the server the character resides on, the credit card #, and the IP address. When that person later logs on to WoW, his IP will be logged again. If the IP addresses match, then there's proof the person got caught trying to buy gold. If the credit card # matches the one on his account, it's even better proof.

[Leroy Jenkins is my god]

Farmers For Life!

[Sacroth]

Saw a French documentary about gold farmers last night.

These guys work in 12 hour shifts (which apparently is standard in China), 6 days a week and eat and sleep at the facility. They make about $129 or $571 a month, depending on whether they get a bonus or not, and some manage up to 20 computers (19 bots) at once.

Gold farming is a huge industry and Blizzard do what they can to prevent it by banning accounts and the like, but every time you chop off a head of the hydra, two new will take its place.

[rgirty]

Saw a French documentary about gold farmers last night.

These guys work in 12 hour shifts (which apparently is standard in China), 6 days a week and eat and sleep at the facility. They make about $129 or $571 a month, depending on whether they get a bonus or not, and some manage up to 20 computers (19 bots) at once.

Gold farming is a huge industry and Blizzard do what they can to prevent it by banning accounts and the like, but every time you chop off a head of the hydra, two new will take its place.

Check out how nike shoes are made.

[SLUGFly]

Normally I laugh off petitions, they're generally useless. But in this case I think it's good. Of course Bliz won't be affected by the petition at all cuz they're already against it, what this will do however is make more players aware of the damage and risks of buying said stuffs...

/sign

[djiss]

if goldfarmer and bot disapear, about what ppl will complain?

[Foonyak]

@ djiss - How underpowered their class is, while everyone else's classes are overpowered. That and which spec is the most b0rkin. :grin:

[rgirty]

Normally I laugh off petitions, they're generally useless. But in this case I think it's good. Of course Bliz won't be affected by the petition at all cuz they're already against it, what this will do however is make more players aware of the damage and risks of buying said stuffs...

/sign

People haven't stopped buying nike shoes and 9 out of 10 people know how those are made.

Christians don't stop going to wal mart although the majority of their inventory is made in china. A place that isn't exactly friendly toward them.

People want ez mode and what benefits them, they could care less about a room full of gold farmers with bad conditions.

If they are buying gold they want the shortcut, and will justify it by saying that they are successful in real life and don't have the time of your local teenage basement kid who can play 14 hrs a day. So they buy gold to try and level the field.

[djiss]

@ djiss - How underpowered their class is, while everyone else's classes are overpowered. That and which spec is the most b0rkin. :grin:

yeah, and forgot about twink, being killed on a pvp server, about nerf/buff, how a kid was rude to them... etc :grin:

[Thumbtack]

I dont think the botting is as quite as bad as it use to be. I could remember it being so bad at one point you had to have eyes in the back of your head, this of course was when gold farmers went wild and they had bots or either was their playing the character. Now these days the bots mostly target PVP related places like BG and such.

But as for Amurko your suggestion is flawed some what. While it catches the buyers in the act, it doesnt stop the already and would be farmers out there. sadly Guild leaders of major guilds is the ones buying this gold in huge stocks of greater then 5,000. Casuals buy no more then a 1,000 at a time if that. But I will say if Blizzard was helping any, much of ebay listings for it would vanish.

[mesonm]

if goldfarmer and bot disapear, about what ppl will complain?

nerf druids

People haven't stopped buying nike shoes and 9 out of 10 people know how those are made.


89.6% of all statistics are made up.

[Thumbtack]

89.6% of all statistics are made up.

I got to rant on that, be racist if it may but I will put my 2 cents in on Nike.

Ok Blacks were part of Slavery for many years, Slave Trade, Civil War breakout, the such, then we got Chinese making shoes for as lil as .03 an hour pay (or so I have heard) and thus they might as well be slaves making these shoes anyway if you know China like I do. Then we got blacks always complaining about Slavery which ended 150 years ago and how they are always done wrong or some jibberish bull****, yet... They buy NIKE SHOES.

Funny as hell if you ask me.

[Tanitha]

sadly Guild leaders of major guilds is the ones buying this gold in huge stocks of greater then 5,000. Casuals buy no more then a 1,000 at a time if that.

These are the same guild leaders that unfairly distribute loot and do not want an excess amount of Paladins in their guilds?

OP, I doubt your petition will have much effect. Blizzard is combating the evil as much as possible. They can however not control EBay or any of the third party sites. Catching those in the act could result in bannings, but if they get too overzealous they might end up banning innocent players as well and we know where that leads us.

Personally, just through playing the game, I have not noticed anything extraordinary that points to someone being a bot or a gold farmer. The Auction House seems to be working normally and most gear for my level is affordable.

It seems as if they're doing an alright job on the servers I play on.

[Thumbtack]

Yeah I was in 2 guilds where the leader did this. To keep up repair cost and enchants, sadly these were the same people as well as most of the guild itself never farmed a day in their life to get gold for repairs, they were sitting on alts and playing them all day if they were even online at all. Not the same guilds who thought they have excess amounts of paladins though, but were intent to recruit anyone they could since it set their DKP at 0 and they were using a Sum Zero system for loot which to any new player to the guild would take months before they actually benefeited from it.

[djiss]

Personally, just through playing the game, I have not noticed anything extraordinary that points to someone being a bot or a gold farmer.
300yrs ago if a woman had weird manner... WITCH! BURN HER!
and now in 21th Century when you see a WoW character having some akward move... BOT!!! /REPORT HIM!
(no dude, I'm just farming and playing with one hand while I eat my sandwich)

We are in modern time, we can live longer, but that not mean people are smarter...

@Thumbtack, many GL sell BoE loot from raid to paid consummable they give FREE to raiders, like those Flask who cost 50g. you can afford to buy many every week? prolly not.

[Thumbtack]

Dont know about living longer either.

[rgirty]

nerf druids



89.6% of all statistics are made up.

i asked 10 people in my office 9 of them knew about it.

Not made up.

Yeah I was in 2 guilds where the leader did this. To keep up repair cost and enchants, sadly these were the same people as well as most of the guild itself never farmed a day in their life to get gold for repairs, they were sitting on alts and playing them all day if they were even online at all. Not the same guilds who thought they have excess amounts of paladins though, but were intent to recruit anyone they could since it set their DKP at 0 and they were using a Sum Zero system for loot which to any new player to the guild would take months before they actually benefeited from it.

this is sad

[Tanitha]

no dude, I'm just farming and playing with one hand while I eat my sandwich

I do that so many times it's not funny. If it is a long and tedious run through friendly territory it's auto-run + book / tea / food. There are times when I've become so engrossed in what I'm doing that I'll end up running into a wall for a while. [shrug]

And no, I'm not a bot.

[icutyoubad]

I do that so many times it's not funny. If it is a long and tedious run through friendly territory it's auto-run + book / tea / food. There are times when I've become so engrossed in what I'm doing that I'll end up running into a wall for a while. [shrug]

And no, I'm not a bot.

Flying mount will fix that for ya. No walls to run into.

Now that I think about that though... how far can you go on a flying mount? Has anyone tried? I mean, if you are in Outland and you hop on your wyvern, can you just fly and fly and fly, or will you run into an invisible wall?

Might have to try that tonight.

[djiss]

someone told me you die...
once I was in nagrand and decided to fly to Shatt, mount up head to shatt, then go smoke quick. I came on time to see me flying over the dark portal, heading to outer space..., got blocked by a flying rock.

[mesonm]

i asked 10 people in my office 9 of them knew about it.

Not made up.



9 out of ten YOU ASKED.....but not 9 out of ten in the population, over a statistical sample.....

Many US people cannot point to Mexico on a map, nor can they name who the sitting US Vice President is...

I'm rather certain those people also don't know where Nike's are made....

It is pathetic, but true...

[Tanitha]

We seem to have diverged from gold farmers to debating the manufacturing of sneakers. And come on, everyone knows that Mexico is that cold country North of America and that the sitting Vice President is Rosie O Donnel. Or was that Oprah. I keep on getting them confused.

So where are Nike's made?

[rgirty]

9 out of ten YOU ASKED.....but not 9 out of ten in the population, over a statistical sample.....

Many US people cannot point to Mexico on a map, nor can they name who the sitting US Vice President is...

I'm rather certain those people also don't know where Nike's are made....

It is pathetic, but true...

Did i say 9 out of 10 people in the country?

I just said 9 out of 10 people, you assumed the rest.

I doubt every single living person in the US is asked a question for a % to a statistic, if they were by the time the pollsters reached the end of the line so many more people would have been born and died their results would be off.

[Hegemony]

As to gold farming, I don't care. Let people play how they want.

As to bots, well I guess that's more of a PvP issue (I don't PvP much these days).

Petitions are pointless. I'd like to know how these things hurt YOU or me.

If someone wants to be stupid and pay real money for data in a game, so be it. It doesn't hurt me any (that I can think of).

[Kugan]

Normally I laugh off petitions, they're generally useless. But in this case I think it's good. Of course Bliz won't be affected by the petition at all cuz they're already against it, what this will do however is make more players aware of the damage and risks of buying said stuffs...

/sign

While I'm also against gold buying/selling, I have to ask, what is the damage and risks of buying said stuff?

[SLUGFly]

well...

Damages:
-those who don't have the opportunities or resources to spend real world money on gold and/or items will be hopelessly underpowered in any pvp situation.
-unearned money on a server, especially if it's great deals of cash, means lots of cash flowing into purchases, which means prices rise. People who don't have resources to spend real world money will have to work twice as hard as normal to be able to afford the things they want to buy or that they need.
-people who powerlevel characters (with exceptions for those who have already leveled a character or two on their own) will be inexperienced in their class, in specific instances or in the game generally and will be a hindrance to the rest of the party.

Risks:
-losing your account via EULA bans, account theft, or losing items via account compromise.

[moopy]

-people who powerlevel characters (with exceptions for those who have already leveled a character or two on their own) will be inexperienced in their class, in specific instances or in the game generally and will be a hindrance to the rest of the party.

Depends what value of "powerlevel" you use, I suppose. There's the stupid "giving your account to IGE to play with" approach, where you get a level 70 with a forest of abilities, and no context in which to set them. Then there's rolling a new character, and zerging through the levels in a determined way yourself, eschewing all but the most profitable quests, minimising travel time. You level fast, but you also gain your abilities in a logical and sequential order, deploying them effectively to increase your questing speed. This way, you can go 1-70 in less time than most folks take to go 60-70, but you learn at least the esssentials of how your character works, if not the finer points of its role in a group. If this is your Nth character, and you're going to use it to play with friends, they will give you a chance to discover this yourself at 70, as they know that you're already au fait with the group dynamic.

[Kugan]

well...

Damages:
-those who don't have the opportunities or resources to spend real world money on gold and/or items will be hopelessly underpowered in any pvp situation.
-unearned money on a server, especially if it's great deals of cash, means lots of cash flowing into purchases, which means prices rise. People who don't have resources to spend real world money will have to work twice as hard as normal to be able to afford the things they want to buy or that they need.
-people who powerlevel characters (with exceptions for those who have already leveled a character or two on their own) will be inexperienced in their class, in specific instances or in the game generally and will be a hindrance to the rest of the party.

Although I agree with all of this, these are all things that "affects other people"... not something your avarage gold buyer cares about (I think).

[djiss]

If someone wants to be stupid and pay real money for data in a game, so be it. It doesn't hurt me any (that I can think of).
lol, and what exactly you think you do by PAYING Blizzard every month to play a game and loot virtual item?

they don't pay for data, they pay for an advantage. there is the difference.

[mesonm]

I just said 9 out of 10 people, you assumed the rest.



Not at all...I didn't assume anything...Was merely pointing out that I didn't believe it as a statistic...heh

And, it isn't...

But, since you so kindly point it out....and refer to people twice, and now point out that those 'people' are ten people in your office, you are saying that all ten people you refer to still buy Nike's....

Nike, are you listening?