online games bad for you?

[animauled]

so one day instead of wasting my life playing W.o.W i decided to watch T.V.............................................rofl

anyway im flipping thru channels while flipping i came to the channel E(they cover grammys and have those true life story's about actors and what not) i see a video of someone playing W.o.W
so of course like most of you probably would i stopped to my surprise it was a show about
child malesters and buying and kids stiffin out after an overdose of painkillers and methodone.....
but anyway they had the nerve to have online gameing in the same category!!!!!!!

they had this women and her son telling the story about how there sun/brother
finished high school quit his job after he dropped out of college and moved in with his mom and stayed in the basement converted room and played everquest all day everyday.........
any way after a long battle with his mom kicked him out so he moved to some group home were he went to a psychiatrist and gamed addict meetings like people who smoke or are drunks anyway
he supposedly "gets cured"
gets a job, saves up and buys a computer, moves in his own place, then when he gets his own place he stops going to his meeting, quits his job, and severed all contact with his family(in that order)
he stayed online playing everquest 24/7
so one day his moms says it was thanksgiving and she said she didn't want him to be alone so she went to his house she could not open the door so she went home got some tools came back opened the door found a trashy apt littered with energy drinks and chips/instant noodles her son was sitting in the chair with the comp on and running everquest but the sun had took a rifle and blew his own brains out!
and the mom and investigators think he killed him self because a chick from everquest rejected him when he asked her out!the reason they think that happened is because he made a char named "iiloveyou" that kinda looked like him IRL

now,
thats sad and all,
but I'm thinking to my self

1.)how the bleep do you get so addicted to games you have to go to meetings

2.)and how the bleep do they figure addictive gaming is as bad having bleep with kids and online purchasing!

3.)why not get addicted to W.o.W:thumbsup:

4.)how do they figure everquest is bigger than W.o.W:ponder: they were all like "everquest is one of the biggest games out with more then 3 million subscribers!"big deal 3 million is nothing suck on blizzards 8 million subcribers:laughing:

what do you guys think about it?

[kcma]

is this a topic that's never been discussed before? :) i really dont play much wow nowaday :p good thing i'm very effecient :D

[Stigg]

My eyes are bleeding.

[animauled]

My eyes are bleeding.

how do you figure it was that bad,as a matter of fact i know it was not that bad you,my friend over exaggerate(did i spell that wrong):undecided: :embarassed: :ponder:
5 words to you buddy.......................
BURN IN A RIGHTEOUS FIRE!!!!:laughing:

[Clavina]

BURN IN A RIGHTEOUS FIRE!!!!:laughing:

definately flaming

[animauled]

definately flaming

that comment you put is flaming because your trying to get sum1 to make another comment after yours about how its flaming or about how its now wich could cause a "post war"
what i wrote is from the mage boss in SM why do you think i put the:laughing: he made a comment i didnt like instead of arguing i returned it with a joke

please dont come on a thread and cause a problem out of nothing i dont need more furom drama

[Stigg]

Anybody that reads this thread, lets not provoke this moron. Its his third banned account, he is a troll.

[Clavina]

that comment you put is flaming because your trying to get sum1 to make another comment after yours about how its flaming or about how its now wich could cause a "post war"
what i wrote is from the mage boss in SM why do you think i put the:laughing: he made a comment i didnt like instead of arguing i returned it with a joke

please dont come on a thread and cause a problem out of nothing i dont need more furom drama

fires? flaming? humour? get it?

[animauled]

Anybody that reads this thread, lets not provoke this moron. Its his third banned account, he is a troll.

W......T..........F
a moron and troll.......wow

i swear to god what i said to you earlier in the other thread was me being nice trying to make you see me and what i write as funny so we can sometime in the future get along but by calling me names you just managed to me off im not a easy person to make mad i try to be nice and joke around with everyone but i dont appreciate that name calling if i ever met you in real life after this i will show you a "gangster"....................i mean how am i a troll i never went thru other peoples threads and called them names or attacked or put them down
so why would you try and make others have problems with me..............
you remind of one of those kids in elementary schools who see them selves as "popular" after watching t.v shows from like the 80's

for sum1 who is in or out of college you shore do write and act childish


you had the nerve to tell me in the other thread that my comments are never on topic and dont contribute to the conversation but yet you come and post that mess in here wich has nothing to do with the show this thread is about

[mesonm]

what do you guys think about it?

I think you should reformat this, and then I'll consider reading it.

:heart:

[Spennce]

Even in its peak EQ never broke 1 million accounts (750k i think)

[kcma]

Anybody that reads this thread, lets not provoke this moron. Its his third banned account, he is a troll.

this is at least 5th, not 3rd? at least :)

[Stigg]

this is at least 5th, not 3rd? at least :)

Its probably more like 10 by now.

Whatever, this guy is an idiot. I can't even bother with reading his posts anymore...its like attempting to read an ADHD blind 5 year olds sentences.

[Foonyak]

Gotta get 'em all!!!
I can name five:
Worldoffatcraft
Redfishbluefish
Defensivelinetank
amazing barrel of nachos
animauled

How many can you collect?

[Tanitha]

Is Barrel of Nachos a Fatcraft incarnation? I suspected ... but that was the one that made me wonder about it.

Here's a thought though. I understand the concept of the rules. He's shown utter disregard for them in general and he's shown little desire to even try to communicate in a fashion that is suitable to these forums. But at the same time he keeps on coming back. Part of me wonders why - perhaps to try and fit in to the community?

At what point does a person earn redemption or get their way back in? This might not be applicable in this case, but I'm trying to imagine just moving on if I were to get banned. I'd want some avenue to try and earn my way back.

Don't know. This issue is making me think a bit about forgiveness and actually pulling people up. Maybe not always possible but.

[Stigg]

IMO, the problem lies with him not doing it once, but with doing it repeatadly. In all honesty, I find it kind of pathetic that somebody feels the need to go into a community where they are not welcome by the owners and post (in the exact same manner). He even mocks the mods by saying he will just keep on getting banned and making new accounts. All in all, I feel this will go on over and over again.

It's his fault that he gets banned. He outright proclaims to be worldoffatcraft each and everytime his nasty head shows up. All he would have to do to fool any of us is learn to type. He obviously can, and if he WOULD, then none of us would be the wiser.

its just when he starts to type like this it gets evident that it is him i mean anybody can not tell if i had one post count who i owould be because of my complete and utter lack of regard to grammar but whatever the mods will cach him everytime because he does type like this and i for one will make sure to report every single post that he claims to be worldoffatcraft on as i am sure many other people will do as well if he would learn to type properly i would not have any problem whatsoever but my eyes bleed in trying to read absilute crap like this

[Tanitha]

That is the problem, but what is the solution? If he were to begin behaving in a fashion that is commensurate with the forum members here would that be enough to earn a place here?

[Stigg]

No - because he has broken the rules over and over again. And mocked the mods inability to do anything about it. Blocking an IP doesn't really do anything.


What I am saying, is IF he wanted to be a part of the community again, all he would have to do is change his characteristics (and more importantly, not said outright "I am worldoffatcraft"). Without that, we would never know, and we would welcome him back with open arms (believing him to be a newcomer to the forums...)

[kcma]

what stigg says.

sure forgiveness and redemption is great and all, and yes Tanitha, there IS a solution. it's up to HIM not to screw around not us :) you can't teach a person who doesn't want to learn, and you can't redeem a person who doesn't want to be redeemed.

and to be completely fair, mods are not ban happy. he really asked for it :p

[Valas Azuviir]

Is Barrel of Nachos a Fatcraft incarnation? I suspected ... but that was the one that made me wonder about it.

Here's a thought though. I understand the concept of the rules. He's shown utter disregard for them in general and he's shown little desire to even try to communicate in a fashion that is suitable to these forums. But at the same time he keeps on coming back. Part of me wonders why - perhaps to try and fit in to the community?

At what point does a person earn redemption or get their way back in? This might not be applicable in this case, but I'm trying to imagine just moving on if I were to get banned. I'd want some avenue to try and earn my way back.

Don't know. This issue is making me think a bit about forgiveness and actually pulling people up. Maybe not always possible but.

Nacho is someone else, far as I can tell. Not going to go in the specifics as to how we know who is who, lest it tips you know who off.

Redemption....

Big word. Lot of folks, think they know what it means, very few actually do.

So how to achieve it?

First off, you follow proper procedure.
In this case, you petition one of the Admins to overrule us, and you need to come up with some damned good reasoning as to why they should overturn the ban.

In addition, you wait till they make their decision, it can take a while, but making another account, before they've made up their minds.. Well.. Strike three and it's life without parole in Singsing.

Ok, they've decided against you. What to do now?

Understand, that permabans are rarely lifted. To my knowledge, it's only occured once, then again, a lot of information was lost when the boards got hosed all those months ago, so it may have occured more than I'm aware of.

In the case, that I know of, where it was lifted, said poster had drastically altered his/her act. Other folks were willing to vouch for him/her, and they were allowed back in. (No, I'm not going to name names.) And between the permaban and the actual return, there was quite a lot of time.

All I can say is, they afterwards contributed to the forums for a while, and actually became somewhat of an asset. Said poster is no longer active on the forums, but this is by choice, rather than by any further punishment. Matter of being ashamed of having been a git before and wanted to clear his/her name.

Or in short, you need to convince us, that you're worth the effort. That there's a diamond in the rough hidden away somewhere. That you will prove that you're no longer high maintenance. Very very few have been able to do so, thus far. Most are beyond redemption really. They neither understand what the word means, nor do they have the will to pursue it, on the contrary they expect it to be handed to them, as if they're entitled to it. They think they can bargain for it. The guy downstairs specializes in bargains. You want redemption? You got to be willing to pay the price, irrespective of what it is.

But that's enough philosophical/theological musings by yours truly.

[MixedVariety]

That is the problem, but what is the solution? If he were to begin behaving in a fashion that is commensurate with the forum members here would that be enough to earn a place here?

You know how it works, Tan. In fact, I posted not long ago in, y'know, that other mod forum, that if people were smart and civil enough, they probably wouldn't be recognized as a returned bannee. Which in effect would mean that they have been rehabilitated.

Problem is, they revert to form, post exactly the same way they did before or in the same thread they were banned from, etc. etc. and that, with a check of the, y'know number and other incriminating evidence, is enough to nab them again, time after time.

[Tanitha]

You know how it works, Tan. In fact, I posted not long ago in, y'know, that other mod forum, that if people were smart and civil enough, they probably wouldn't be recognized as a returned bannee. Which in effect would mean that they have been rehabilitated.

Indeed, and even then the decisions can polarize the moderators. (DE ...) As I told Foonyak over PM though, part of it is just idle musing and another part is me believing that WorldOfFatcraft will be reading this. I'm half hoping that the subsequent discussion will trigger something and maybe ... just maybe ... get him on track to earn a place back on the boards.

[larissa]

Indeed, and even then the decisions can polarize the moderators. (DE ...) As I told Foonyak over PM though, part of it is just idle musing and another part is me believing that WorldOfFatcraft will be reading this. I'm half hoping that the subsequent discussion will trigger something and maybe ... just maybe ... get him on track to earn a place back on the boards.

While anything is certainly possible, this just doesn't seem likely. WoFC seems determined to thumb his nose at the mods, to continue to make new accounts and soon after feels the compulsion to say 'Yes, it's me, I snuck in again, haha!'

I'm of two minds, really. Mostly I'm more on the side that this should be a lesson in respecting authority, and really, just people in general. To constantly thumb his nose at the mods here is disrespectful, and he should learn that there are consequences to his actions. Though I'm partly of your mind too, wondering if he can learn from this, and become a better person for it. Everyone has something to contribute to everything, afterall.

But considering his antics so far, I really don't see any way to redeem himself to be welcomed back to the forum.

Oh, and WoFC, if you come back and read this, to be fair to Stigg, it was I who made the 'gangster' comment in the other thread.

~~~Larissa

[kcma]

Indeed, and even then the decisions can polarize the moderators. (DE ...) As I told Foonyak over PM though, part of it is just idle musing and another part is me believing that WorldOfFatcraft will be reading this. I'm half hoping that the subsequent discussion will trigger something and maybe ... just maybe ... get him on track to earn a place back on the boards.

1) i seriously doubt he cared to be back other than popping in and say, "ban me!! double dare you!!!"

2) he's just like a kid acting out, no, an epiphany isn't going to occur and change him :p give him another 5 years and maybe...

3) is there an ulterior motive for your attempt to help him redeem himself? :) i mean, you can go so far as to argue that you can transform the power lvling ad bots into valuable community assets. but then at the same time, isn't it somewhat self-righteous and judgemental to assume that you are better and you can help? who are we to make that call right? perhaps he's above all of us and it is us who are not worthy of his time ;)

he is the way he is, so the mods banned him. it is what it is and just let it be Tanitha :) if the inner mommy has too much <3 <3 <3, i need attentions :)

[Ju Smurph]

Edit:

I posted a comment for the op as a serious remark. Though i have removed it since this thread has derailed into a topic i can't be bothered with and the op is banned etc..:laugh:

[Tanitha]

but then at the same time, isn't it somewhat self-righteous and judgemental to assume that you are better and you can help? who are we to make that call right? perhaps he's above all of us and it is us who are not worthy of his time ;)

I guess that's why we're all banned from this community while he posts all alone. And no ulterior motive, except hoping a message gets through to somebody who has repeatedly bashed his head against a brick wall.

It's easy to shrug it off and say "Fatcraft's own fault" but we really have no idea what brought him to where he is. Yeah, it could be childish inexperience in having an adult conversation. But whenever I hit that point I keep on thinking back to Anthony and wondering how different his life could've been if we'd reached out to him when were kids instead of scorning him.

But /ignore me. I'm a bit maudlin and in need of some therapy today :grin:

[Ju Smurph]

But whenever I hit that point I keep on thinking back to Anthony and wondering how different his life could've been if we'd reached out to him when were kids instead of scorning him.

:ponder:

Elaborate for the naive lil blue dude...

[Tanitha]

Not a pretty story, but probably a fairly common one. There was a kid in our school. His breath smelled like the bottom of an uncleaned fish tank, his biggest dream was becoming a WWF wrestler and he had this tendency to drop his hand on your shoulder when he talked to you - and would always move as close as possible when speaking to you. He was needy like a little puppy.

Reacting much like kids would we treated him badly. Really badly. Typical playground stuff; but there were days when we were really, really mean. The type of mean that makes you ashamed when you think back on it. One of the worst days was when we would hide around the school and wave to him during recess. He'd come lumbering over and we'd scatter giggling to somewhere else to wave to him again. It was like he couldn't understand what was going on. These people were calling him, being nice and when he got there they were gone. No wait! There they are. It was mean. Horribly mean of us to do that to him.

And the last time we'd see him, last year of school we on a whim decided to go visit him on his birthday. A group of us. I honestly don't remember who was more surprised - his mother, him or us. And we saw a house that was decked out for a birthday party, with a cake, streamers and all the trimmings - except friends.

It felt rotten.

What should be a day of celebration was something he could only share with his mom, his dad and his kid brother. He was a person, just like the rest of us and needed the same type of affirmation that he was a person of value, somebody who would one day be successful. Like all of us he needed the friendship / valuation of his peers and to this day it feels as if we robbed him of that. For no good reason, other than our own ... elitist snobbery?

I'd like to think that visiting him that day would somehow have made up for it, but in reality I don't believe that. I can't believe that. So yeah. That's the story of Anthony. Or as much as will be shared anyway. Maybe WorldOfFatcraft reminds me in a small way of him and of what a horrible person I was. Make it up to someone and it will all be better.

And now I'm crying again. Damnit, I didn't need that.

[Ju Smurph]

Oh, those stories.

Morally correct, though i never liked the email spam blackmail method.

[kcma]

Tanitha... you need a hug... maybe more than a hug :p

there are people we're just not attracted to, not drawn to. and we just can't help it. maybe you're a white woman who are simply not attracted to black man, does that make you racist? no. is it the right thing for you then to force yourself to date a black man? no.

yes you are right, it wasn't nice to be mean to the kid who doesnt fit in. those are things i've done in the past too. now, i'm not mean to anyone anymore, but that doesn't mean i feel responsible to please everyone either.

and there's also a difference between a person who doesnt quite fit in, and a person who knowingly break rules and repeatedly do so and flount it. we all know i'm not exactly the role model of good citizen poster but there are lines that really shouldn't be crossed. when i get banned for being out of line, it's not the mods fault, i just wait it out.

anycase, fatcraft definitely crossed the lines that he shouldn't have crossed and while he might come back on good terms one day, i certainly won't go out of my way to help that esp since he has shown time and again that he will just get himself banned again :)

[D.K.night]

Tanitha... you need a hug... maybe more than a hug :p

there are people we're just not attracted to, not drawn to. and we just can't help it. maybe you're a white woman who are simply not attracted to black man, does that make you racist? no. is it the right thing for you then to force yourself to date a black man? no.

yes you are right, it wasn't nice to be mean to the kid who doesnt fit in. those are things i've done in the past too. now, i'm not mean to anyone anymore, but that doesn't mean i feel responsible to please everyone either.

and there's also a difference between a person who doesnt quite fit in, and a person who knowingly break rules and repeatedly do so and flount it. we all know i'm not exactly the role model of good citizen poster but there are lines that really shouldn't be crossed. when i get banned for being out of line, it's not the mods fault, i just wait it out.

anycase, fatcraft definitely crossed the lines that he shouldn't have crossed and while he might come back on good terms one day, i certainly won't go out of my way to help that esp since he has shown time and again that he will just get himself banned again :)

Hate to say this but you're not in any position to say anything about "being out of line" - being who you are. Pot calling the Kettle black and all...

You said it yourself - you get banned, and you wouldn't do what's RIGHT - never come back - you'd just drag your sorry self right back after "waiting it out". What makes you so much better than this child here? Dips his hand in the cookie jar right in front all of us - and repeatedly, at that.

But as for yourself - by your own words you're not the a model citizen poster - but you're also not one to be trusted either.

[Tanitha]

In kcma's defense, there is a difference between a Permanent ban and a Temp ban. Temp ban is the usual first step, Permanent offered after repeated infractions.

[kcma]

but DK is exactly right i'm exactly like fatcraft, identical twins in fact :)

[Ju Smurph]

fatcraft cooks his own hands too?

[kcma]

if u ask DK yes :p

[Ju Smurph]

I want to make a new thread "is kcma bad for kcma"

[kcma]

i can answer that right now :p yes and no :)

[Ju Smurph]

:ponder:

.....?

[kcma]

yes, kcma IS bad for kcma. and no, kcma is NOT bad for kcma. both answers are correct :)

[MixedVariety]

Not a pretty story, but probably a fairly common one. There was a kid in our school. His breath smelled like the bottom of an uncleaned fish tank, his biggest dream was becoming a WWF wrestler and he had this tendency to drop his hand on your shoulder when he talked to you - and would always move as close as possible when speaking to you. He was needy like a little puppy.

Reacting much like kids would we treated him badly. Really badly. Typical playground stuff; but there were days when we were really, really mean. The type of mean that makes you ashamed when you think back on it. One of the worst days was when we would hide around the school and wave to him during recess. He'd come lumbering over and we'd scatter giggling to somewhere else to wave to him again. It was like he couldn't understand what was going on. These people were calling him, being nice and when he got there they were gone. No wait! There they are. It was mean. Horribly mean of us to do that to him.

And the last time we'd see him, last year of school we on a whim decided to go visit him on his birthday. A group of us. I honestly don't remember who was more surprised - his mother, him or us. And we saw a house that was decked out for a birthday party, with a cake, streamers and all the trimmings - except friends.

It felt rotten.

What should be a day of celebration was something he could only share with his mom, his dad and his kid brother. He was a person, just like the rest of us and needed the same type of affirmation that he was a person of value, somebody who would one day be successful. Like all of us he needed the friendship / valuation of his peers and to this day it feels as if we robbed him of that. For no good reason, other than our own ... elitist snobbery?

I'd like to think that visiting him that day would somehow have made up for it, but in reality I don't believe that. I can't believe that. So yeah. That's the story of Anthony. Or as much as will be shared anyway. Maybe WorldOfFatcraft reminds me in a small way of him and of what a horrible person I was. Make it up to someone and it will all be better.

And now I'm crying again. Damnit, I didn't need that.

Y'know, Tan, I was thinking much the same thing, except about Joey instead of Anthony, and WoFC reminds me of him. Not an intentional troublemaker--more like someone trying to fit into a strata of people he can never really belong to...or more likely, who will never let him in. Bannee without a clue, so to speak. Like the Fishy Go Moo of the WoW forums.

I still think about Joey sometimes.

[Valas Azuviir]

I guess that's why we're all banned from this community while he posts all alone. And no ulterior motive, except hoping a message gets through to somebody who has repeatedly bashed his head against a brick wall.

It's easy to shrug it off and say "Fatcraft's own fault" but we really have no idea what brought him to where he is. Yeah, it could be childish inexperience in having an adult conversation. But whenever I hit that point I keep on thinking back to Anthony and wondering how different his life could've been if we'd reached out to him when were kids instead of scorning him.

But /ignore me. I'm a bit maudlin and in need of some therapy today :grin:

Tanitha..
There's a noted difference between the two situations. Kids will be kids.. Amongst themselves, they can be even more vicious than wild animals. Despite that more often than not, they do learn from the situations you described. And because of that sense of shame, they grow up to become better people. Doesn't always apply, but often.

With Fatcraft on the other hand.. Vastly different situation. Let's try a couple of simple analogies to help clarify what I mean. If, a police officer tell you to move your car, else he's going to issue you a ticket for double parking. What do you do? Leave your car where it is or move it?

And, if you do get a ticket, do you then proceed to verbally abuse said police officer, tear up the ticket and toss it onto the ground and then speed off at say 80 miles an hour in a 50 mph zone?

What he needs to learn is, it doesn't matter how much of a tough guy he thinks he is, there's always someone bigger on the block. Someone in a position of authority. Actions have consequences. And ticking off the aforementioned, is pretty much a self-destructive path.

You try it as a little kid with your parents. Result? You get smacked on the backside for being a pain.

You try it as a kid at school. Simply means detention and further run-ins with your parents.

You try it as an adult, and you get sent to the pokey.

You try it here? And we simply kick you off the board, so we're probably inbetween the kid and adult stage. :wink:

And yes, I know that there can be extenuating circumstances where ticking off a person in authority can be a good thing. They don't apply to this case though. He's not fighting the good fight, he's not fighting for principles. He's not fighting for a good cause. He's simply a pain in the backside, who believes that the rules do not apply to him. (That kite won't fly on my watch though.)

Both Stigg and Kcma have learned their respective lessons, though the latter on occasion threatens to relapse into his old behaviourial pattern. And he knows what will happen, if he does relapse. You can't help Fatcraft, this is a lesson he has to learn on his own. Just as Stigg learned it, just as kcma has learned it. So trying to reach out? Might as well try and spend your time on trying to convince a crocodile on becoming a vegetarian.

[Tanitha]

So trying to reach out? Might as well try and spend your time on trying to convince a crocodile on becoming a vegetarian.

A vegetarian crocolisk? It might save some of the poor folks running from Ironforge to Menethil :wink: I understand the principle Valas. My mind was just rumbling on memory yesterday.

[Ju Smurph]

Like the Fishy Go Moo

It's weird the effects this obscure people have on you. Truly found a class of his own. I dunno much about Joey, Anthony or WoFC. Sort of weird how this personalities flash in and out and last in the back of your head.