Is it worth it?

[DarkOdin]

Hello everybody,

I want to ask an important question. This should probably be posted in the "newcomers" forum but I feel I'd get a better range of responses if it is posted in here. I am also posting on these forums rather than the official forums because for some strange reason the WoW official forums won't recognise my account.

Anyway, I've been playing WoW for about 3 or so weeks now. The highest level I've reached is about level 15 and so far I have played a Night Elf Druid, a Tauren Warrior, a Human Warrior and a Dwarf Hunter. Frankly, I am not impressed and the sparkle of this game wore off a few hours after I began playing. Here are the main reasons that come to mind why I do not feel this game is anything special:
1. The combat system is the worst I've ever seen by far
2. Gameplay seems to have little/no depth and involves going from A to B in order to get to C
3. Character development is, to my eyes, very slow and basic
4. The "gear" in the game is somewhat boring
5. There is absolutely no RP on the RP servers, and most players will act like hermits
6. The encounter system is irritating, you cannot outrun opponents very easily, and you often risk serious injury or death fighting more than 1 whilst travelling alone

OK, thanks for reading, now I have a question. Does it honestly get any better? As in, is there going to be more to the game than "grinding" and "questing"? Because if there isn't then I have no intention of paying the monthly subscription fee.

I give thanks in advance for any feedback.

[JPaterson]

1. The combat system is the worst I've ever seen by far

I would say the combat system is all opinion. As for me, I found the combat system in the original EverQuest to be the worst I've ever seen. I would suppose it's all a matter of taste in this regard.


2. Gameplay seems to have little/no depth and involves going from A to B in order to get to C

Granted, a lot of the beginner quests, even those up to level twenty, are pretty much straightforward. Afterwards, the quests do get interesting. Wait until you're marching through Stormwind alongside an NPC for a nice encounter, or coercing two friendly NPCs to attack each other and finish off the winner. The quests do get exciting, and more than what you've said.

I won't lie, even when you're higher you'll still run into point A to B to get to C instances, as well as collection quests (collect ten feathers and return them to Billy Bob), but they are varied, and do get better.


3. Character development is, to my eyes, very slow and basic

Again, this is another thing that is pretty much boring from levels one through ten. Once you hit ten, you get to distribute points throughout your character's talent trees. Mages can specialize in Frost, Fire or Arcane, or strike a balance through all three. Priests can decide to become the ultimate healer by specing in Holy and Discipline, or they can go the offensive route and become shadow.


4. The "gear" in the game is somewhat boring

Up to a certain level, yes. The point of the system is to make you work and earn the good stuff. If you started a new character and could buy an item only a 70 could wear and immediately don it, where's the challenge? Where's the fun? Wait until you're higher and you have gear that will give a 50% chance of turning the enemy into a sheep, or strike them with fire and frost without using any mana.


5. There is absolutely no RP on the RP servers, and most players will act like hermits

No opinion on this as I've never played, and probably never will play, on an RP server.


6. The encounter system is irritating, you cannot outrun opponents very easily, and you often risk serious injury or death fighting more than 1 whilst travelling alone

Sticking to the roads, as in most other MMRPGs, will drastically reduce chances of running into opponents.

But I have to ask, how can you not outrun mobs? Pretty much any character can outrun the basic mobs if you just run in a straight line. Avoid any other mobs or obstacles, obviously, but a straight path will net you the "leaving combat" message.

OK, thanks for reading, now I have a question. Does it honestly get any better? As in, is there going to be more to the game than "grinding" and "questing"? Because if there isn't then I have no intention of paying the monthly subscription fee.

Yes, it does. You said yourself the highest you made it was to level fifteen. Get up to at least nineteen. At nineteen you can partake in the Warsung Gulch, a PvP arena of capture the flag, where dying doesn't cost you durability or anything. Twenty to thirty are very fun levels and will let you safely explore more of the world. Thirty to forty you'll start to earn good gear and more cash, and at level forty, you'll be able to buy your starter mount, which will make traveling, and running from enemies, faster and easier.

Forty to fifty you're almost there, and you can run in Arathi Basin, another PvP arena match where you have to hold certain checkpoints for an amount of time to win.

Fifty to fifty eight you'll be earning some good cash and rewards. At fifty-eight, assuming you've bought the expansion, you can travel to the Outlands, where the whole game dynamics change somewhat. Bombing missions, multi-tiered missions, crappy gear that bests the stuff from the original game, flying mounts.



Basically, give it more time. Buy one game card; that'll give you two months service. If after those sixty days you aren't happy, quit.

[laffncry]

Hello everybody,

I want to ask an important question. This should probably be posted in the "newcomers" forum but I feel I'd get a better range of responses if it is posted in here. I am also posting on these forums rather than the official forums because for some strange reason the WoW official forums won't recognise my account.

Anyway, I've been playing WoW for about 3 or so weeks now. The highest level I've reached is about level 15 and so far I have played a Night Elf Druid, a Tauren Warrior, a Human Warrior and a Dwarf Hunter. Frankly, I am not impressed and the sparkle of this game wore off a few hours after I began playing. Here are the main reasons that come to mind why I do not feel this game is anything special:
1. The combat system is the worst I've ever seen by far
2. Gameplay seems to have little/no depth and involves going from A to B in order to get to C
3. Character development is, to my eyes, very slow and basic
4. The "gear" in the game is somewhat boring
5. There is absolutely no RP on the RP servers, and most players will act like hermits
6. The encounter system is irritating, you cannot outrun opponents very easily, and you often risk serious injury or death fighting more than 1 whilst travelling alone

OK, thanks for reading, now I have a question. Does it honestly get any better? As in, is there going to be more to the game than "grinding" and "questing"? Because if there isn't then I have no intention of paying the monthly subscription fee.

I give thanks in advance for any feedback.

it's your opinion man. for me it's good. but anyway,(this are just my opinions!)
1. the combat system suits me..i mean it's really dizzying sometimes but it's just fine.
2. i think that's how most games goes. it would be boring if for example "i am in point A then i would jump from there to point C" that would remove the challenge from WOW or any game. wouldn't it??
3. it really is slow, i agree
4. what do you want?? a "pimp" char?? they are just armors and stuffs. not like they are running on a catwalk.
5. seriously, you can't expect everything the way you want it to be right??
6. i guess that's the challenging part of the game, i mean you can't expect for things like killing would be that easy??

last, i think whatever update bliz makes about the game you wouldn't like it if you REALLY don't want the game in the first place!

[DarkOdin]

Thanks for your advice JPaterson I appreciate it. Maybe I am judging a little too quickly, although by now I imagined I would be at the point where I could really start to get, how could I say, "involved" with the game. By the way, I called the combat system bad because you can defeat opponents just by clicking one button, the right mouse click. And then you don't even have to look at the screen, just wait for the grunts to end. I mean... wtf is up with that?

I've had some great times going around with the other players doing quests, but most players simply don't want to quest with me (lol I have no idea why...)

OK, I'll give it some more time, a few months subscription is small change, right?

But I have one more question. I want to start a new character as so far I've not had much joy with the ones so far. What class/race do you recommend will be the most fun and hold my attention? Thanks.

[laffncry]

But I have one more question. I want to start a new character as so far I've not had much joy with the ones so far. What class/race do you recommend will be the most fun and hold my attention? Thanks.

well it depends on you, how do you want to play?? really, there is no such things as perfect race/class/prof. try out a few then decide what do you really want to play. look up to some WOW sites for an overview of such things. hope this helps man! Good luck!

[Avachu]

I have played most classes and I love my warrior. I'm not sure why, just a personal opinion. It seems like there's more variety in spells.

I thought playing a hunter was easy, but very boring. I've heard priests are hard to play, but can be more fun because of the variety. Overall, I think a melee class is more fun because you get to do actual fighting, rather than just watch from afar.

For race, I recommend Draenei on the Alliance side just because they have a racial heal. I also think the draenei starting areas are more fun than all the other races'. I don't know much about the horde races, so I can't tell you anything there.

[Tanitha]

Thanks for your advice JPaterson I appreciate it. Maybe I am judging a little too quickly, although by now I imagined I would be at the point where I could really start to get, how could I say, "involved" with the game. By the way, I called the combat system bad because you can defeat opponents just by clicking one button, the right mouse click. And then you don't even have to look at the screen, just wait for the grunts to end.

That most assuredly depends on the class you are playing. Of course, at the lower levels that would also be easier with most classes (Squishies being the exception, but not by much if I remember correctly).

I am going to try and help you out with the roleplaying side of things. You most definately need to hook up with a roleplaying guild on your server. Casual roleplaying is very rare - it happens within the good guilds. You will sometimes see a player who actually participates in free, open roleplaying, but they are the exceptions rather than the rule.

A good starting point is to look at the WowWiki entry for your server. That will list the guilds and what they favour (Those that have published there, anyway). If that does not net any decent results, try the official RP forums on Blizzard. Surprisingly enough the RP forums aren't ... TOO bad.

[DarkOdin]

As I stated in my OP I cannot use the official forums. And I don't know what you mean when you say WowWiki entry... sorry Tanitha.

And I have already tried the races and classes listed in the OP, can anyone recommend the next build for me to try?

[Tanitha]

Link deleted. Search for your server name and it should (I found for my servers at least) list the good RP guilds.

Tss, Tanitha, you might want to check out some of the ads there. :azn:

-snowieken

[DarkOdin]

OK... where am I supposed to go to enter my search keywords? Lol

EDIT: Don't worry, I think I found it.

And any ideas what would make a good character?

[SLUGFly]

I think that after 3 weeks if you're not hooked than maybe WoW just isn't for you... It took me all of about 2 hours to realize that I wasn't going to be stopping for a very long time.

[JPaterson]

Well, I was similar to DarkOdin.

When I first bought WoW, I played it maybe an hour a day, and didn't think it was anything especially. Just another EverQuest in a different universe.

Two weeks later I was hooked. My main is level 70, and now I'm working on several alts, only one of which is still sub-10.

Some people need time to get acquainted with it. Some people love it from the start.

[Thumbtack]

I think they destroyed the game.

Graphic for weps and armor is at best subpar with nothing that makes you go OOOOOOOH AHHHHHHHH, I mean other MMO games where you pay to play at least this is where the strong point is to the game, Lineage II and EQ for example.

Quest - while its easy to complete many of them, it does bring ease and exp and I think they evolved this area of the MMO, although much of the rewards is mediocre and have found many long boring quest you could do not give you a darn thing to use for your class.

You cant be unique anymore, everyone will eventually have the same stuff you do in no time.

PVP has become worthless, arena system is a rating system I have been a part of before and to me it doesnt prove anything in the end.

Class Balance sucks, pre expansion was the only time it was good.

Blizzard continues to listen to Fires of Heaven for advice and 9 out of 10 times that advice is so it will favor them more if they get stuck somewhere in end game progression (Part of what destroyed this game in the first place) and they already destroyed EQ.

Alts run rampant in this game, not saying people should play mains all the time since I aint paying their money, but alts have ruined this game to good extent also.



Solution??

Vanguard

I am growing sick of WOW politics, ignorant people, and basically 90% of the game is kids, I considered wow for a long time now to be nothing more then a MMO For Dummies.

[Mallstrop]

I think the simplicity of the game and the graphics is what made WoW work so well.

The cartoony graphics means that they don't have to go into huge detail and you don't have to have a super computer to run the game properly, a mistake many other games have made.

Alts is a main part of the game for me, my warrior is almost fully Prot speced so outside of instance time I go and play an alt. I do all my gathering and grinding on my druid.

As for class balance sucking, it's still early in TBC times, balance will take a while to work out, especially when people start getting raid gear.

[SLUGFly]

Myself, I like the graphics a lot... I like the levelling, monsters, most of the quests, pvp, etc... but in the end you have to come down to one very important recognition... taste is taste and there is no "right" and "wrong" when somebody uses the words "like" or "good".

[Big Guns]

I don't understand how someone could not get hooked, but maybe the OP just hasn't played the "right" class yet. I think you need to play a class to at least 20 to have even the remotest of chances to make an informed decision about whether to proceed with it.

In any event I would recommend rolling one of the new races as by all accounts the starting zones are the best. I can only speak of the Draenei (sp?) though but I can compare it to the dwarf/gnome, Tauren, Orc/Troll and undead starting zones.

Try a class that you might think you would not like. "Priest" was very low on my list and I only rolled one as I thought it would make getting groups easier (it does BTW) and I have found that I loved the class. Got one to 70 and now working on my next one at 26. I may even end up rolling a third...

[rottentomato]

well as a person who couldnt decide for a long time what i wanted to play, i finally rolled a hunter after being overwhelmingly satisfied with a rogue. the hunter took a while to get into and get good at, but now i pull 2-3 creatures with my pet another 2 for me, freeze trap one, kill the ones my pet pulls while im getting hit by the one attacking me, send the pet on one of the ones attacking me, freeze trap again, and wipe the floor with everyone else...as far as playability of the game goes, one of my favorite things is the "all powerful" feeling i get with a rogue i have twinked out in battle grounds doing pvp, just running around killing everyone else in my path until i am the best EVAR!!!! just stick with the game at least until 30, it took me about that long to really get into it, and now i have fun with it, seeing exactly how many i can pull, or if i go into an instance, watching the priest freak when i feign death at full health suddenly, then pop back up with a /lol and tell him GOT YA! they usually get a kick out of that. plus i love the professions and being able to make everything for one of my alts, or sell things to people that cant make my stuff just so i can be filthy freakin rich

[Herald of Doom]

I am growing sick of WOW politics, ignorant people, and basically 90% of the game is kids, I considered wow for a long time now to be nothing more then a MMO For Dummies.
Cool, can you please quit and stop posting personal opinions that nobody cares about? I never understand why people who dislike a game keep posting on forums.


Ok, so you don't like the initial rightclick kills a mob. That will go away real soon. However, the class thing is personal, best advice is keep trying classes unfortunately. I knew before I tried them I'd be more intrested in ranged dps classes from earlier rpg experience, but if you dont have that... experiment! And maybe WoW just isnt your game.. if that's the case, resell it and go buy something you do like (like I did with Guildwars, Everquest2 and Lineage2 lol)

HoD

[Gormidan]

Wait until you have at least seen Duskwood and Stranglethorn. Take a boat from Ratchet to Booty Bay. Do what you can to enhance your primary and secondary professions. Send a message in general chat and ask if anyone wants to work with you in knocking out some quests in a zone. Atleast hit 40and get a mount. Stick with it because it will get better after you leave the starting areas.

[SLUGFly]

Does it really though? Gorm, did you feel like this until after you left the starting areas? The first time I played WoW was on a friend's account in a language I didn't understand, I died immediately and had no idea where (or even that) I had to find my body... but I was hooked instantly. If the game doesn't do it for someone then perhaps it's just not for them.

[Gormidan]

Not at all Slugfly, my response to the original poster was based on his character's level. As for myself, I was hooked as soon as I started my first toon.

[SLUGFly]

I think it's rather nifty that we've gotten to three pages with no "can I have your account"s :grin:

[Chemm]

You cant be unique anymore, everyone will eventually have the same stuff you do in no time.

Like pre-BC? or not? because I know I seen people walking around in full t3 and it wasn't a normal thing, I knew maybe 1-2 shamans in full t3, 1-2 warriors, ect ect... same thing will happen in TBC


PVP has become worthless, arena system is a rating system I have been a part of before and to me it doesnt prove anything in the end.

What are you trying to prove? you can "prove" your the best in 2v2 3v3 5v5, no disputing really...


Class Balance sucks, pre expansion was the only time it was good.

Ya sure why not give everyone the exact same thing with the same armor and everything so it is perfectly balanced... oh well... Certain classes counter others very well...


Blizzard continues to listen to Fires of Heaven for advice and 9 out of 10 times that advice is so it will favor them more if they get stuck somewhere in end game progression (Part of what destroyed this game in the first place) and they already destroyed EQ.

???

Alts run rampant in this game, not saying people should play mains all the time since I aint paying their money, but alts have ruined this game to good extent also.


Sorry man I dont have a full guild that can raid karazhan all the time and I have almost all the gear I need out of the regular instances, I'd much rather jump on my paladin and enjoy the new spells and areas over Running Black morass 50 more times for KoT rep for 1 piece of armor (Wrists)...


I am growing sick of WOW politics, ignorant people, and basically 90% of the game is kids, I considered wow for a long time now to be nothing more then a MMO For Dummies.

I don't see where you get this number, maybe your alliance I don't know, I know my guild has 2 players ( that i know of ) that are under 18...

All of our regulars have full time jobs


You seem just to want to complain about something so your nitpicking anything you can...

[moopy]

Solution??

Vanguard

I am growing sick of WOW politics, ignorant people, and basically 90% of the game is kids, I considered wow for a long time now to be nothing more then a MMO For Dummies.

Well, if you're so keen to advertise Vanguard that you have to schill for it in multiple threads, the inevitable question is.. why don't you go away and play it, instead of ranting here? :)

[bwirum]

Well, if you're so keen to advertise Vanguard that you have to schill for it in multiple threads, the inevitable question is.. why don't you go away and play it, instead of ranting here? :)

QFT.

I gotta say, like HoD and Moopy and .. others.. why on earth rant on a fan-forum about the game you so obviously despice. Give it a rest allready and go play some game you like. Your bloodpressure is rising, I can tell from here, cool off.

[PlayThemAll]

I think that after 3 weeks if you're not hooked than maybe WoW just isn't for you... It took me all of about 2 hours to realize that I wasn't going to be stopping for a very long time.

I agree.

To the OP, I would give it a little longer. If by level 20 you still don't get it then WoW might not be for you.

Classes really start coiming into their own around level 20 (some not really until around 30) By this time you are getting better calss specific gear and have enough talent points to start noticing a difference in play.

[DraedynLei]

I'm just gonna have to agree with everyone and say that you probably didn't play enough to make a truly informed decision on it. That's not to say that if you play it longer you'll eventually like it, but to judge the merits of the game after only hitting 15 is selling yourself short of the true experience. Nothing special happens on the road to 15.

Plus, just speaking from my own personal experience, one of the main reasons i love the game is because i've been playing warcraft ever since warcraft 1. So I have a different appreciation of the world and its history.

Also, I think your comment about the 90% kids is off and at the very least completely made up. Like 75% of all Belfs are former alliance teeny boppers who are now thrilled they have a "pretty" race they can play on the Horde side. See? Made up numbers are fun. (though that one happens to be true, j/k)

And oh, never played Vanguard, but hey, maybe it's the game for you.

[Kugan]

I found WoW boring at the beginning as well… and then I went on my first instance run (deadmines – level 17 (healer)).

Things still get boring from time to time (see my PvP rant), but it will only last a day, two at most, before something exciting happens again. (if one more npc asks me to get him some meat for some sort of recipe, I’ll kill him :)).

RP-wise, as someone else suggested, it’s important to find the right server. Try to find out what the RP guilds are as well. I was at a wedding yesterday… was definitely my most amazing gaming experience ever.

So yes, things do get better *smiles*

[laffncry]

at first, playing would be boring. but after a while it would get better esp if you have already met some players that you got along well. and the game gets more and more exciting every level and when you reach your goal items. it took me three days to really adjust to the game.

[imboredlol]

Solution??

Vanguard

I am growing sick of WOW politics, ignorant people, and basically 90% of the game is kids, I considered wow for a long time now to be nothing more then a MMO For Dummies.

If you hate so much, stop playing and stop reading WoW forums.

Go play Vanguard noob.

[Beruen]

A few comments:

First, WoW, or MMORPGs for that matter, are not for everyone. Different people have different tastes. WoW seems to have hit a sweet spot that seems to appeal to more people than most other MMORPGs. This doesn't mean it's better, any more than McDonalds is better than your favorite local restaurant.

Second, what do you expect out of a combat system? You seem to be saying both that it's too easy and too hard, in that you can easily beat one mob just by autoattacking, but lose to two. Just about every class does far better when they're being played interactively. As you level up, you'll find fights getting closer and closer if you're not doing your best. In fact, you'll find fights you'll lose if you just auto-attack. Star Wars Galaxies switched to a combat system a little closer to a FPS, and there was much emotion on both sides of the conflict.

Also, you mention questing and killing. Have you tried any instances? Probably not since you're only lvl 15, but you should try some before writing off WoW. While they get trickier as you get into higher level instances, even the lower level instances have a different feel to them than world combat. As you get closer to the level cap, instances become a bigger part of the game.

As far as personalizing your character, yes, WoW is more limited than some, less limited than others. Since you have no control over how a specific item looks (no dyes or anything like that), sometimes you'll try to get certain equipment not because it's better in combat, but because of how it looks.

Low level gear is bland, there's just not that much you can put on low level gear that won't create imbalance. Higher level gear gets more interesting. We've got multiple lvl 70 hunters in my guild, and there isn't that much gear we have in common, despite the fact that every time one of us finds something good, he tells the others where to find it. The stuff that all of us thinks is really good isn't easy to get (involving either luck or a fair bit of time invested), the stuff that is easier generally isn't so superior that we all agree that it's best. Some hunters prefer AP, others Agility, some MP/5 (mana regen), still others Intellect/Spirit. Or rather they prefer different balances of the above, few hunters will emphasize one of those over all others. The same is true for other classes as well. There's even more diversity among my guild's high level druids than the hunters, even when you look at gear for specific roles (druid being a hybrid class that can melee, tank, heal, or nuke with varying degrees of success).

[laffncry]

All i can say about the op is that even how good the game is, when you don't like it or doesn't pass your standards then it won't matter at all. everyone has their own liking. some like A's while some like B's.

[Lunartic]

Some classes may satisfy more, and some others doesn't. Whenever I'm playing on my hunter I'll end sleep in my chair because all it's about, is clicking 2 buttons. Send pet in, serpent sting and watch the tedious fight. On the other side, priests and druids are more complicated.

[Tollin]

To the op you need to try a pure spell casting class, mage, warlock etc.. you have tried two warriors, a hunter and a druid and did not like any of them. Which tells me that you don't like the hybrid class i.e. the druid.

You didnt like melee i.e. the warrior's, and you didn't care for the hunter/pet class. Hmm maybe not warlock then.

Make a mage, or a priest. Level them up to 30 at least and see what happens. 1-30 can be done in a couple of weeks if you just follow the quest chains and kill everything around you.

I will be honest with you, for me at least, the levels of 40-50 seem to be the worst. Its a ton of traveling your quests are no longer part of the story line and well by then you are tried of the grind. But once you hit 50 you hit the plaguelands, storyline again, and have a ton of fun.

Give it a go.