A question for all you DPS.

[timebomb]

Ok so i have 2 questions for you.

When a DPS item drops in a 5 man instance why do you get so bent when a healer rolls need?

What do you think we do out side of healing in an instance?

I just want to understand what healers are expected to do so for Rep, Gold, Mats, Recipies, and gear.

My plan is to make it very clear when the instance starts that i'll be rolling on DPS gear. Thats the best i can do.

[Kitano]

You have to be more specific as far as what you're considering DPS gear that will apply to casters. An item that has +30 AP will be great for a Hunter or Rogue but I don't see where a caster could use it. The same goes for an item with 24 Crit. Neither of these stats are of any use to a caster since they apply only to melee or ranged AP.

Now if the item has 24 Crit for Spell Damage then it's absolutely for casters and there should be no discussion.

If you're referring to items that have + Agility, or Strength the same applies. Those are both much more for DPS (or warriors) than casters. What items are you referring to?

[liquidicem]

First off, I have a 70 mage and 70 priest so I am experianced on both sides of the debate. If your healing for a pug in any 5 man, roll on what ever you want. Everyone deserves a fair chance at any upgrade. If it is a guild run, it really depends on the quality of the item and who it is the bigger upgrade for. I have a hard time rolling against guild dps on dps items that can help us progress as a guild.

In a raid situation, I wouldn't ever roll on dps gear unless no one needed it. You are there as a group to progress as a group. It does the raid no good for a healer to claim a piece of dps gear that will sit in their bags during every raid. The mages don't roll on my healing gear and I don't roll on thier dps gear unless no one needs it (or my place in the raid is a shadow priest).

I geared my priest up with dps gear from 5 mans and pugs without problem. You don't need epic dps gear to farm rep, mats, gold, etc. It will come with time as you raid and everyone gears up but you need to make sure raid gear gets into the hards of the proper classes for the progression of the group, not the individual.

Just my 2c.

[Renata]

This is why I don't do pugs.

I run with a usual group of two warlocks, one priest, and one tank, and the fifth is a rotating slot. Our usual method on caster DPS drops is that the DPS casters get first crack if the item is a clear upgrade for them. If it's only a minor upgrade for the DPS casters, which often happens because of quest rewards and other drops, then the priest usually feels free to roll on the DPS item too. It's about respecting the roles of other people in the party.

...Ren

[timebomb]

I am a Shaman 0/20/41 Enh/Resto. When I want to instance this is what I spec. When I do my soloing outside of instances I spec 0/41/20 Enh/Resto. I need to do instances for Quests, Rep, keys and Gear. I need to do solo for Quests, Gold, Rep, Mats. So I roll on melee and healing (mail) never leather cloth in 5 mans.

Now this is not 25 man end game here this is 5 mans. I'm sorry to be the 1 to tell the people that get upset at healers rolling on DPS gear but no matter how hard I try my +800 healing will will not kill a mob.

See its very black and white for DPS classes because they instance and solo in the same gear. Well healers can't do that.

[imboredlol]

I disagree, Damage is secondary for priests. Its like dps warriors and feral druids rolling on rogue/hunter gear.

The classes that primarily do damage should be given priority.

[timebomb]

I disagree, Damage is secondary for priests. Its like dps warriors and feral druids rolling on rogue/hunter gear.

The classes that primarily do damage should be given priority.

So my questions stands.
What are healers supposed to do outside of instances?
How do you suggest healer enjoy the rest of the game?
What is it that make it so you are better and deserve to progress as solo and healers are not?

I am not talking 25 man raid progressions here. I'm talking 5 mans.

[Tanitha]

Roll on whatever you've communicated to the group you will roll on if they've accepted that. If they don't, don't run with them or don't roll. Simple communication works best.

[djiss]

My plan is to make it very clear when the instance starts that i'll be rolling on DPS gear. Thats the best i can do.
That the only thing you can do also.
If they don't accept at begin, leave cuz you won't have what you want if it drop so waste of time.
If they accept, the item you want drop and people don't want to let you roll on it. Drop. Don't ninja the item. Just drop. And if the item drop from the last boss... good luck.

but no matter how hard I try my +800 healing will will not kill a mob.
Heal him to death man! to death! make his health bar explode! :grin:

My only suggestion, bring good point about WHY you want it. If it have some sort of logic, then it's just better for you. And telling "My class can use [Insert any type of item]" isnt a good reason for me. :)
No need to bring elabrate math and such.

It happened once in BRD they didnt wanted to let my Dwarf Priest roll on a DPS caster item cuz "I'm the healer" ... "Fine, you have bandage?" and I hearthed out.

[Kerosene]

It happened once in BRD they didnt wanted to let my Dwarf Priest roll on a DPS caster item cuz "I'm the healer" ... "Fine, you have bandage?" and I hearthed out.

:laugh: that's awesome.

[Leandar]

The healer is the one thats keeping everyone alive and if they die saving them from a long walk. Without a healer people wouldn't even have a chance to get the best things in a dungeon. A healer is like a tank. Your not going to say to a warrior that they can't have some sword because they are for taking damage not giving it. Healers quest just like every other class so they need to do damage and good armour to survive getting attacked. I'm a hunter not a healer so I'm not just saying this because I get nothing everytime I do a dungean.

[kodeeak]

parties need healers and parties need tanks.. the healers can't survive an instance without tank and dps'ers and vice versa.

that being said, the vibe I get from the folks supporting priests rolling on caster dps items is as if you can't get quest rewards, etc for your dps needs? I have both a 70 mage and a 70 priest spec'd shadow, and even in the limited pug runs I've done with my priest.. I always check to make sure it's not an upgrade for any other caster before rolling. Likewise when decent healer specific gear drops.. 99.9% of the time, everyone in the party passes because they know the healer will either want it or at least take it for vendor/de.

I can't ever remember wanting to roll against dps casters while healing an instance.. because I can both heal and dps at will.. other casters can only dps.

to each his/her own tho

[Imraath]

If it's a pug, i'll let them know what gear i'm going to be rolling on first. If they don't like that, they can find a new healer. Simple.

[larissa]

It's a tough topic, really, and doubtful that there will ever be a concensus on one answer. But I would think with random pick-up groups, just tell them at the start that you will be rolling for +spell damage gear as well. You can use the gear, afterall, and other than to complete quests, the only practical reason to go into an instance if for gear, well, possibly experience and gold, but that can be gained just as easily outside instances. (I won't get into any abstract reasons such as enjoying the fights or the scenary :grin: )

In the end, if you can use the item, that automatically gives you some say in rolling for it. How much of a say depends on what the item actually does. Just because you can use a staff, doesn't really give you much of a say if the item is meant for a Feral Druid, for example. But a Priest is a caster class. The only practical way for us to advance is by casting spells, both offensive and defensive. Just like Mages and Warlocks, we kill mobs with spells, not by swinging a weapon.

Personally, I would probably pass on most +spell damage gear, simply because my need as a Discipline Priestess isn't as great as a dps caster. Sure, I could and do use such gear when questing, but the fact is, I won't be using it while main healing in an instance. A Mage or Warlock will, and will use it for their own questing needs. I haven't done any level 70 quests yet, but I would be very surprised to learn that you absolutely need top-end dps gear to complete them.

But if it drops and I'm the only cloth user in the group, I will certainly speak up, as I did last night after completing Sethekk Halls and the dps cloak dropped (can't remember the name offhand). The run was crazy fun in the first place, with myself, a Warrior, 2 Rogues and a Feral Druid in catform. Most times I couldn't even get a Smite off before the mob was dead. :grin:

~~~Larissa

[Naolin]

In a PuG I roll on everything that is an upgrade for me (even if it is for my shadow pew pew) Never had anyone complain about it really cause I let them roll as well (ofcourse I try to be nice, if I win a few rolls I stop rolling on dps stuffies).

Guild runs have totally different rules :p It's usually the first to give up with the being nice and rolls.

[teck21]

Exactly as with Naolin.

If you CAN and WILL use it, go ahead and need it.

So what if it looks a little more useful for someone else? You have every rght to roll on it too.

I no longer even ask if I can need something, and I don't expect people to 'seek' permission either. Need if you need. Period.

With friends and guildies though, I pass on practically everything unless it's something I've really been eyeing.

[Icefrost]

I disagree, Damage is secondary for priests. Its like dps warriors and feral druids rolling on rogue/hunter gear.

As a druid I will always roll for said "rogue gear" if I decided to stay on the run after making it clear to everyone that I'm feral spec. Absolutely zero 'modifiers' for any prioroties on these items for either of us.

When I play my mage, I have nothing aganist a priest or balance druid or whatever "healer" rolling on spell damage gear. It doesn't have my name on it 'till Ï'm either wearing it or its in my bag.

To make things simple, if a shadow damage cloth item drops, the priest and warlock in my group will have exactly precisely equal chance for it if you ask me.
Unless the priest has specifically stated that he doesn't use shadow spec and isn't planning on doing so in a while, or something. But until then, the fact that the priest is healing at that particular moment is no excuse to keep him away from the damage items.

[Naolin]

Oh I also play a rogue so I roll against Dr00ds for time to time. I personally could care less, he/she is pulling his/her weight in the instance as well so just as much right to roll on whatever as I have.

Game is about having fun not setting strick moral rules in your head about who gets to roll or not. Also pissing off healers is never a good idea, there arn't that much around that heal pug's and you don't wanna get on their bad side :afro:

[moopy]

When a pally ninjas this:

Sonic Spear
Binds when picked up
Two-Hand Polearm
261 - 392 Damage Speed 3.50
(93.3 damage per second)
+35 Agility
+30 Stamina
Durability 100 / 100
Requires Level 70
Equip: Improves hit rating by 24.
Equip: Increases attack power by 62.
Sells for 11 Gold 10 Silver 25 Copper to vendors
Item Level 115

from a hunter, you know you have a problem. It's not like it's even particularly useful for a pally. Marginal at best for a pally DPS weapon, compared to all the lovely 2h blue things with more useful stats in Outland, get a Crow Wing Reaper, for the love of Bob, or the Plasma Rat's Hyper-Scythe, Firemaul of Destruction, something that is actually an upgrade from your current weapon for your "DPS". Don't join an all-guild group that you want to join for more runs, and ninja one of the best blue polearms with hunters stats before the endgame, that's just stupid. Especially don't do it if you're a cloth-wearing pally who boasted about their holy spec to get the spot. This isn't a casual farming weapon, when a primary DPSser in the group needs it.

Yes, it happened to me. It was all guildies except for this one pally. After he ninjaed it, he said "really nice grp!! let's do this again!!!" because I don't think he was used to clearing instances with zero deaths. He also wasn't used to itemising properly and passing on stuff which wasn't suitable. Needless to say, we haven't asked him back ever. No big loss, he wasn't primary healer, his DPS sucked, and he failed to keep blessings up too. I think he was "sucking" spec, rather than holy.

I was stunned at the time, as I had forgotten that we had an outsider in the group in all the excitement, and there was absolutely no way that a guildie would have rolled against me on that in a month of sundays.

[timebomb]

When a pally ninjas this:

Sonic Spear
Binds when picked up
Two-Hand Polearm
261 - 392 Damage Speed 3.50
(93.3 damage per second)
+35 Agility
+30 Stamina
Durability 100 / 100
Requires Level 70
Equip: Improves hit rating by 24.
Equip: Increases attack power by 62.
Sells for 11 Gold 10 Silver 25 Copper to vendors
Item Level 115

from a hunter, you know you have a problem. It's not like it's even particularly useful for a pally. Marginal at best for a pally DPS weapon, compared to all the lovely 2h blue things with more useful stats in Outland, get a Crow Wing Reaper, for the love of Bob, or the Plasma Rat's Hyper-Scythe, Firemaul of Destruction, something that is actually an upgrade from your current weapon for your "DPS". Don't join an all-guild group that you want to join for more runs, and ninja one of the best blue polearms with hunters stats before the endgame, that's just stupid. Especially don't do it if you're a cloth-wearing pally who boasted about their holy spec to get the spot. This isn't a casual farming weapon, when a primary DPSser in the group needs it.

Yes, it happened to me. It was all guildies except for this one pally. After he ninjaed it, he said "really nice grp!! let's do this again!!!" because I don't think he was used to clearing instances with zero deaths. He also wasn't used to itemising properly and passing on stuff which wasn't suitable. Needless to say, we haven't asked him back ever. No big loss, he wasn't primary healer, his DPS sucked, and he failed to keep blessings up too. I think he was "sucking" spec, rather than holy.

I was stunned at the time, as I had forgotten that we had an outsider in the group in all the excitement, and there was absolutely no way that a guildie would have rolled against me on that in a month of sundays.


i have to admit i no nothing about pallys but if shaman could use polearms i would climb all over that weapon. thats is my dream 2h mace in polearm form.

when you say ninja, do you mean ninja? because i bet he beat you on the roll. the only way he could ninja it is if he put it on master loot before fight. if thats the case then i would have a major problem with that and black list his ass all over the server. if he beat you in a roll please be more carful with your words you dont want to lie about what happen.

[moopy]

if thats the case then i would have a major problem with that and black list his ass all over the server. if he beat you in a roll please be more carful with your words you dont want to lie about what happen.

Pot, kettle, careful with the use of the word "lie", hypocrite :)

[EdvinMedvind]

Don't do PUGs but I think we have let healers bid on DPS items in raids. They ofc show restraint and don't bid on the newest hottest drop. It only starts becomming class priority when the bids exceed a certain amount. I think it's important to let healers get an ok DPS kit or you'll see healer burnout. But this is inside a guild. Loot can be more difficult if you don't respect or trust your group members.

[moopy]

Well said, Edvin. I think you summed it up nicely. I would also let the sentiment run the other way, my enhancement shammy will also roll on healing gear, if the healer doesn't need it as an upgrade, as there are times when it comes in handy too. Generally, I'd do the other party with a better claim on the item the courtesy of checking how they felt about it, even in a PUG. However, maybe that's the wisdom that comes from having passed puberty /gasp.

My main priest will never ever bid against a dps caster on a damage item that they really need, that would be mean-spirited and petty. I can manage pretty well without wasting the latest and greatest damage gear on a healing toon, and can still kill most stuff that I need to without too many problems. If you're a primary healer, even the absolutely storming DPS gear will still only make you mediocre, in any case- it'd be a waste. The "pretty decent" DPS caster gear that the mage/lock etc. isn't dying for is going to help almost as much outside instances, and not acting like a spoiled <kerbleep> is also a good thing.

[djiss]

i have to admit i no nothing about pallys but if shaman could use polearms i would climb all over that weapon. thats is my dream 2h mace in polearm form.

when you say ninja, do you mean ninja? because i bet he beat you on the roll. the only way he could ninja it is if he put it on master loot before fight. if thats the case then i would have a major problem with that and black list his ass all over the server. if he beat you in a roll please be more carful with your words you dont want to lie about what happen.

because that item is obvioulsy for
1. hunter
2. warrior
then 3. Pally
(I think Shaman can't use Polearm)
Since the hunter needed it, the pally should pass on it. Yes both gained the right to roll on it BUT that will be a bigger upgrade for an hunter than a pally.

So even if the guy didnt put ML to loot it, the posted can feel being "ninja'ed".

[timebomb]

Moopy, not sure what your last post ment "pot kettle" thing maybe you can be more specific.

Djiss, yes its true a shaman can not use polearms. but as i said that polearm is my dream 2h mace in polearm form.

You guys really need to understand the deffinision of the work "ninja"
ninja = to steal, or take an item (in this case) that you did not win. just because you think that item is better for you does not mean your right. if the pally won the roll and you lost that does not make him a ninja. calling him a ninja is slanderous and wrong. call him an a$$ hole if you want but he has every right to that item as you. he is not a ninja unless he took it by stealing it.

[djiss]

Moopy, not sure what your last post ment "pot kettle" thing maybe you can be more specific.

Djiss, yes its true a shaman can not use polearms. but as i said that polearm is my dream 2h mace in polearm form.

You guys really need to understand the deffinision of the work "ninja"
ninja = to steal, or take an item (in this case) that you did not win. just because you think that item is better for you does not mean your right. if the pally won the roll and you lost that does not make him a ninja. calling him a ninja is slanderous and wrong. call him an a$$ hole if you want but he has every right to that item as you. he is not a ninja unless he took it by stealing it.
I know what you said. I just wasnt sure about if shammy was able or not. If they were able then it would be :
1. hunter
2. warrior
3. shaman
4. pally (pally should always focus on item with +spell dmg first)

here is my lil story:
In the past I was farming UBRS for Breastplate of the Chromatic Flight for my warrior, I needed only the Chromatic Carapace. I was in a raid group with 2 others warriors, group who also needed a key-holder. Since I had the key, it's was easy for me to get into, even if they were full on warrior. There was (their) deal, they tank, I open the door and try to do some DPS since they took me instead of a mage (:grin:)...
I made clear at begin I needed only the Chromatic Carapace and won't roll on anything. I told them I already had all the other stuff, even showed them in trade (someone asked for proof lol). After the first pull, I ended being the MA since anyway I was always pulling agro and other warrior was mostly accessory to tank the 1-2 mob I didnt catched (meh it's just UBRS right? yeah lil bragging here :azn:). From begining to Rend, it took us like ~23min. For sure I didnt done all the job, but since we were able, I chain pulled.
1-shoted rend, and the carapace droped. OMG WOOT FINALLY!!! A warrior said it was an upgrade for him too, rolled need and won. The leader forgot to put on ML (I asked him to put that for Rend only). It was the third time it droped and I got out-rolled.

All in all, I got out-rolled by my own class, it was an upgrade for both. So no it cannot be considered as being "ninja'ed". The guy didnt used ML to be sure to get the item. He just pushed the "Need" button and out-rolled me. But he was alse agreed a the first time he wont roll on it and did. So for me it's was like being ninja'ed.

Once again, I said stuff like "wow, that was pretty nice!", /spit (on the ground) and I left. They re-invited me, telling they booted the warrior of the raid AND the guild for being stupid. It happened half the raid group and the warrior was the same guild.

[timebomb]

If people agree not to roll then change there minds and do roll like your story i would agree you were "ninja'ed". said person told you he would not roll, then he did. that is stealing im my book and i would call him a ninja too and an A$$ hole.

There are many ways to steal "ninja" but just being out rolled is not 1 of them. moopy im sorry you lost your polearm but your story says nothing about any funny busness only that you got out rolled.

[Aswer]

Well, as a 70 mage with an ex main resto druid, I can see where you are coming from, and I am sympathetic to some extent. I fully agree that +spelldmg gear is free for all for priests too, but how could you argue that a very heavy +crit item is as good an upgrade for a shadowpriest (or whatever priest) as it is for a fire mage? That would be just wrong.

Oh and by the way, you priests are then OK with the +healing cloth to go to shammies and paladins too, right? Cause when you are healing your armour does not matter, its the healing that does? I am sure most of the spelldmg rolling priests are cool with this too. :rolleyes:

Ah, anyway, thank God I am in my guild, PUGing again would make me quit WoW within days.

[djiss]

+crit spell is good for healer for the simple reason that help them to "crit heal".

[DrOsmius]

Oh and by the way, you priests are then OK with the +healing cloth to go to shammies and paladins too, right? Cause when you are healing your armour does not matter, its the healing that does? I am sure most of the spelldmg rolling priests are cool with this too. :rolleyes: .


I know I certainly am cool with that.

PS to Moopy. We had to kick our hunter after 2 attempts on Murmur where he just wouldn't get away and not blow people up from the Touch. We then down Murmur quite easy, the Spear drops, and we vendor it.

[larissa]

Well, as a 70 mage with an ex main resto druid, I can see where you are coming from, and I am sympathetic to some extent. I fully agree that +spelldmg gear is free for all for priests too, but how could you argue that a very heavy +crit item is as good an upgrade for a shadowpriest (or whatever priest) as it is for a fire mage? That would be just wrong.

Oh and by the way, you priests are then OK with the +healing cloth to go to shammies and paladins too, right? Cause when you are healing your armour does not matter, its the healing that does? I am sure most of the spelldmg rolling priests are cool with this too. :rolleyes:

Ah, anyway, thank God I am in my guild, PUGing again would make me quit WoW within days.

I too am perfectly fine with druids, shamans or paladins rolling on +heal gear. I'm becoming quite the advocate for alternative healers out in the game, so the more I can do to encourage that, the better in my books! Though I have to admit it does suck that I can't choose to roll on the healing mail and plate items that show up. :grin:

So it's not as if Priests have a free ride for items out there.

And to be honest, I don't think my armour value and Inner Fire count for much at all. I don't feel that there's much mitigation with such a low armour value. And in fact I specced out of Improved Inner Fire for this reason, it just felt like a waste of Talent Points, to be honest. I use Inner Fire, of course, as every little bit helps, but I never look at the armour value of a cloth item when I'm looking to see if it's an upgrade. A piece could have 0 Armour for all I care, it's the stats and bonuses that count.

~~~Larissa

[bwirum]

1. I realize that since I want to roll on damage items, I have to let pallys, shammies and druids roll against me on healing items.

2. That happens very rarely since most pallys, shammies and druids seem to want to have the higher armor class that they can have.

3. If I'm in a pug... oh wait, I don't pug. Except once not too long ago and we didn't even get to the first boss, just reminding me why I don't pug.

4. In guild / friend runs I ask my 'opponent' if it's ok to roll on the item, if I know it's a very nice upgrade for them I just pass.

5. Imp Inner Fire is good for one thing. PvP.

[moopy]

PS to Moopy. We had to kick our hunter after 2 attempts on Murmur where he just wouldn't get away and not blow people up from the Touch. We then down Murmur quite easy, the Spear drops, and we vendor it.

Wow, sucky hunter! If you max range Murmur, then you just don't get the touch. I only got it once in about five kills. My only problem is that my hunter is a dwarf, and can't see over the low wall around the pit- whereas a nelf can. Thus, I have to max-range standing directly in the middle, and get mocked mercilessly for being a shortarse :)

[Shellar]

*looks at the pile of Incanter, Oblivion and Mana-Etched gear in his holy priest's backpack*
*whistles innocently*

[moopy]

*looks at the pile of Incanter, Oblivion and Mana-Etched gear in his holy priest's backpack*
*whistles innocently*

Well, quite, priests can look hawt in that stuff, and make with the pew pew. However, as you start getting close to the endgame, you need to optimise your primary role effectiveness within an inch of its tiny little life, so I am sure that if you were in a group with a mage running a heroic instance, and "robe of mage wet dreams" dropped, and it was a massive upgrade for the dps caster, you wouldn't try and make off with it "for farming".

Marginal or off-role gear for use outside instances should only ever be taken when the people for whom this is their primary role don't need it as a major upgrade. I know that in your case I am preaching to the choir, so please don't be offended :) However, in the case of other folks, this is the difference between poorly-geared ROFLcopter ninjas who don't know how to spec and itemise, who will take anything they can (hunters rolling on chance on hit weapons anyone?), and people who are actually trying to fulfil their role the best that they can.

There is absolutely no excuse, for example, when you're in an instance, if one of the best pre-endgame tanking weapons drops and the tank needs as a major upgrade, for some random paynisbrain to try and take it "for farming".

However, there are lots of casual guilds filled with people like this, squabbling over inappropriate items and never getting anywhere. If they all pulled in the same direction, they'd all get geared they way they wanted a lot faster. However, you do need an attention span and some consideration for others to grasp this :) Their loss, really. The more selfish pricks that you encounter, the less likely you are ever to group with people outside your immediate circle, and the more frustrated LFGers there are.

[det]

Ok so i have 2 questions for you.

When a DPS item drops in a 5 man instance why do you get so bent when a healer rolls need?

What do you think we do out side of healing in an instance?

I just want to understand what healers are expected to do so for Rep, Gold, Mats, Recipies, and gear.

My plan is to make it very clear when the instance starts that i'll be rolling on DPS gear. Thats the best i can do.

I don't get bend..so why lump everyone into one pot?

[Twoflower]

I just want to understand what healers are expected to do so for Rep, Gold, Mats, Recipies, and gear.


well... rep : instances. gold: intances. gear : instances. In general, i think you'll mainly do instances anyway.

Why ? well, specialists like tanks and healers who take theyr role seriously in a group will be tank and healing specced. Whit a holy or a disc priest, farming will be a pain anyway. The dps gear you take away from me will not realy change that. So, you get your healing items, and i get my dps items. We both get items in the instance for the job we have to do in a instance.

Well, that s theory anyway. Of course, in 5 man instances, everyone has the right to need any item he thinks he needs. We are in the same boat, all 5 are a part of the sucess, so all 5 have equal rights. I dont mind you rolling need for something you think you need.

[djiss]

Why ? well, specialists like tanks and healers who take theyr role seriously in a group will be tank and healing specced. Whit a holy or a disc priest, farming will be a pain anyway. The dps gear you take away from me will not realy change that. So, you get your healing items, and i get my dps items. We both get items in the instance for the job we have to do in a instance.

Well, that s theory anyway. Of course, in 5 man instances, everyone has the right to need any item he thinks he needs. We are in the same boat, all 5 are a part of the sucess, so all 5 have equal rights. I dont mind you rolling need for something you think you need.
and once you got all your tanking gear as tank, healing gear as healer? why not run get DPS gear now in 5man while you gain rep? I'm saying a reason why you'll could get someone "rolling" on you stuff. :smiley:

I got *****ed once because I wanted a second pair of glove from Rampart. First one was with DPS gem on it and wanted a second with tanking gem on it. The only thing they were keep saying is "but you already have one".
I don't NEED it at a point so another plater wearer could use it, but I need it more than you since I'll use it and you'll only sell it. Is that hard to understand? Guess so, cuz they sharded it...
edit : btw, I was the only plate wearer in the group lol...

[cyradis2003]

as a Discipline holy priest I have full sets of both DPS and Heal gear. I generally only run with guildies but every now and then we pick up a pugly to fill out a 5 man. The other night we were doing Durnholde and took a mage along. It was like caster heaven in there. The first boss dropped DPS caster pants which I gave preference to the mage (he didn't want them so YAY!!! all mine!!) the second boss dropped a healing mace -> only +1 more healing than the ring of blood mace so even though it was way prettier (pink crystals and lightning effect) I didn't think it was enough of an upgrade that I should roll against a druid on it. Dragon boss dropped the dps caster dagger, again I asked the mage if he needed it before rolling. The pants and the dagger were better than what I had and the guy was the only pug in a guild run but common courtesy said that he should get first shot at them since DPS is his only purpose. (I did get the dagger cause he had a nifty staff)


Here is my "ninja" tale:

Dire Maul last boss West side (is that the first one?) the guy drops a pretty nice tank ring - like 12 stamina and health over time and a priest belt - plus heals and mana over time. The warrior gets all excited and rolls need (this is my fiance so I am hearing him talk about how great the ring is and what a good upgrade then he starts cursing) The other priest (shadow) rolled need on both the tank ring and the healing belt. As the healing priest and the tank we were understandably upset and to this day I think of him as a ninja despite the fact that he is still in our guild and has IRL friends in guild that defended the rolls as upgrades. I think that I will always look at him as untrustworthy with loot rolls and I try very hard not to run with him as does my firance, the guild's main tank. Yes, he deserved a roll because he ran the instance but need on both? And need on gear that obviously better suited other people? He replaced that ring in like a week and I never saw him use the belt.




To Twoflower:

Disc priests can farm fairly well surprisingly. I generally get crits on my smite over 1800 and I crit fairly often. Shield will usually hold until single mogs are down and reflective shield shoots back 50% of the damage it absorbs while SWP is ticking along. Yes, mages are faster and better at it but we don't do so baddly :grin: