Got my WARRIOR bugged, CAN'T MOUNT A HORSE!

[Benhawk]

Really need hlp on this one!
Already have a lvl 60, human warrior, I got the Riding Horse "passive" skill but still can't buy any Horse, they all appear red, even the cheap mount. A GM told me I could have my skills bugged, and That's possible because I'm new in the game. So I waiting for two solutions:
1st: Anyone knows a way to solve this problem?, THIS IS MY HOPE!
2nd: I'll need to go from the begining and remake my char! THIS ONE SUCKS BIG TIME!
But still I think the second might be necessary, so this is WHAT I REALLY NEED TO KNOW: Is there a way in which I can retrieve my gold and main items for my new future 2nd char. Can I deliver one or more "bags" with my items and my gold. And is there any way I can trade my bonded items to this new char on another account "for example"? :ponder:

Please tell me what to do! THX!

[grendon]

Did you try restarting the wow client? If that didn't work page a GM maybe?

[JPaterson]

If you're forced to start a new character, you can mail all the gold your first has to the second (assuming same server and faction). You may also transfer all items that are NOT soulbound. If an item is soulbound, it is just that, and you cannot transfer it. Pretty much everything else can be mailed.

[Stigg]

Did you buy your 60 warrior?

[Tanitha]

Yeah, I'm wondering how you get a level 60 Warrior while being new to the game too. Surely you must have tried at level 40 when you could first get your mount, no?

[PTiger]

Did you buy your 60 warrior?

I'm thinking this is probably the case. He's level 60 and "new to the game", not to mention he didn't complain that he didn't have a horse at level 40. Could you imagine just telling yourself you'll wait until 60 til you buy your mount if you were really leveling up your own character? No way. OP enjoy your newly bought 60 and enjoy your newly bought soon-to-be-banned character :)

He's level 60 and doesn't know what soulbound items are? He calls them "bonded". He doesn't know about the mail system? ....geez, just say you bought it already.

[gmedina]

I'm thinking this is probably the case. He's level 60 and "new to the game", not to mention he didn't complain that he didn't have a horse at level 40. Could you imagine just telling yourself you'll wait until 60 til you buy your mount if you were really leveling up your own character? No way. OP enjoy your newly bought 60 and enjoy your newly bought soon-to-be-banned character :)

He's level 60 and doesn't know what soulbound items are? He calls them "bonded". He doesn't know about the mail system? ....geez, just say you bought it already.

Even if he did buy it so what? According to the ToS/EULA you are allowed to transfer your account to another user if you uninstall it from your current computer and transfer everything over to the new person. Why should he get banned for this???

[Stigg]

Even if he did buy it so what? According to the ToS/EULA you are allowed to transfer your account to another user if you uninstall it from your current computer and transfer everything over to the new person. Why should he get banned for this???

Ummm...link me the source on that.

[Tanitha]

Ummm...link me the source on that.

Under ownership in the End User License Agreement.

B. You may permanently transfer all of your rights and obligations under the License Agreement to another by physically transferring the original media (e.g., the CD-ROM or DVD you purchased), all original packaging, and all Manuals or other documentation distributed with the Game; provided, however, that you permanently delete all copies and installations of the Game in your possession or control, and that the recipient agrees to the terms of this License Agreement. The transferor (i.e., you), and not Blizzard, agrees to be solely responsible for any taxes, fees, charges, duties, withholdings, assessments, and the like, together with any interest, penalties, and additions imposed in connection with such transfer.

From here (http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/legal/eula.html). It's not clear if that covers the account as well - it seems to by implication, but then and again? Anyway - in these cases it is better to talk to Blizzard and see what they have to say over the phone.

Edit:
When rgirty was wanting to take over a friend who was leaving the game's account I referred him to that. From it, it seems possible that you can take over a friends game if they transfer everything to you.

[liquidicem]

Even if he did buy it so what? According to the ToS/EULA you are allowed to transfer your account to another user if you uninstall it from your current computer and transfer everything over to the new person. Why should he get banned for this???

Let try not to spread completely false information. This is completely untrue in just about every aspect.

[gmedina]

Ummm...link me the source on that.

Under section 3b of ownership i bolded for you. Quote is below

3. Ownership.



A. All title, ownership rights and intellectual property rights in and to the Game and all copies thereof (including without limitation any titles, computer code, themes, objects, characters, character names, stories, dialog, catch phrases, locations, concepts, artwork, character inventories, structural or landscape designs, animations, sounds, musical compositions and recordings, audio-visual effects, storylines, character likenesses, methods of operation, moral rights, and any related documentation) are owned or licensed by Blizzard. The Game is protected by the copyright laws of the United States, international treaties and conventions, and other laws. The Game may contain materials licensed by third parties, and the licensors of those materials may enforce their rights in the event of any violation of this License Agreement.



B. You may permanently transfer all of your rights and obligations under the License Agreement to another by physically transferring the original media (e.g., the CD-ROM or DVD you purchased), all original packaging, and all Manuals or other documentation distributed with the Game; provided, however, that you permanently delete all copies and installations of the Game in your possession or control, and that the recipient agrees to the terms of this License Agreement. The transferor (i.e., you), and not Blizzard, agrees to be solely responsible for any taxes, fees, charges, duties, withholdings, assessments, and the like, together with any interest, penalties, and additions imposed in connection with such transfer.


So as you can see even if he bought it, no reason hey would get banned as this is allowed by the ToS/EULA.

[Stigg]

WTH?

When was that changed?

So I can sell my account now?

[JaedxRapture]

EULA =/= TOU!
You can GIVE AWAY YOUR GAME CLIENT, as stated by the EULA, but you CANNOT GIVE AWAY YOUR ACCOUNT/CHARACTERS.

So, if you uninstall the game, you can go ahead and hand a friend your WoW discs, but doing that doesn't give them access to your account. Ever.

Trust me, you guys have severely mis-interpreted some information. Giving up the game client that you purchased and own isn't giving up your account or characters, which you did not really purchase and do not own at all.

[Stigg]

Ahh...gotcha. Good call.

[JaedxRapture]

So, back to business. Is he an eBayer? =P

Edit: 100g says he is. He doesn't know how to buy the mount, it seems, and he didn't know that he can transfer items. It looks like he's entirely new to the game in every way, and there's no way he got to 60 with his lack of knowledge.

[sycamore]

I think the clause you've bolded relates to the physical objects (like disks, etc) because every legal system gives you ownership of an object you buy and allows you transfer it.

They don't always live up to their obligations under this, because the CD key can only be used once; apparently people who've bought the disks second hand have had a lot of difficulty getting a new key from them - but *did* succeed because it's part of this legal right.

I think they use the conditions in the first clause to prevent account selling, because they retain ownership of the virtual items including characters and so people can't sell their (i.e. Blizzard's) property.

Mind you, in the customer support forum I saw an email someone had received from Blizzard when they'd asked for help with a transferred account, and it said that they didn't support it but not that it was bannable... I'll try to find it.

[gmedina]

EULA =/= TOU!
You can GIVE AWAY YOUR GAME CLIENT, as stated by the EULA, but you CANNOT GIVE AWAY YOUR ACCOUNT/CHARACTERS.

So, if you uninstall the game, you can go ahead and hand a friend your WoW discs, but doing that doesn't give them access to your account. Ever.

Trust me, you guys have severely mis-interpreted some information. Giving up the game client that you purchased and own isn't giving up your account or characters, which you did not really purchase and do not own at all.

How did you come to that conclusion?? That isn't what the ToS/EULA say? I don't need to uninstall the game to give someone the discs to install. I did that when i installed on my brothers computer. All he had to do was activate with another key and he could use my CD's. So my question is are you reading more into it than what it says?:ponder:

[Tanitha]

Ah! There's suddenly a little lightbulb above my head as I realise what the actual difference between the two blasted documents are. One covers the physical media, the other covers the account. Doh!

[JaedxRapture]

How did you come to that conclusion?? That isn't what the ToS/EULA say?

I know for a fact what I said is correct. Page a GM and ask. You guys are wrong about it.

Giving up ownership of the discs and software on said discs which you own doesn't give up your account or characters, which Blizzard owns.

[JaedxRapture]

Ah! There's suddenly a little lightbulb above my head as I realise what the actual difference between the two blasted documents are. One covers the physical media, the other covers the account. Doh!

Yes. The EULA is called the "End User License Agreement" because it covers the license of the physical discs and software on said discs. The ToU is the "Terms of Use" because it covers the use of said software and all services linked to it.

[Stigg]

Ownership/Selling of the Account or Virtual Items.
Blizzard does not recognize the transfer of Accounts. You may not purchase, sell, gift or trade any Account, or offer to purchase, sell, gift or trade any Account, and any such attempt shall be null and void. Blizzard owns, has licensed, or otherwise has rights to all of the content that appears in the Program. You agree that you have no right or title in or to any such content, including the virtual goods or currency appearing or originating in the Game, or any other attributes associated with the Account or stored on the Service. Blizzard does not recognize any virtual property transfers executed outside of the Game or the purported sale, gift or trade in the "real world" of anything related to the Game. Accordingly, you may not sell items for "real" money or otherwise exchange items for value outside of the Game.

TOU (http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/legal/termsofuse.html)

Terms of Use link

[Penny]

Under ownership in the End User License Agreement.



From here (http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/legal/eula.html). It's not clear if that covers the account as well - it seems to by implication, but then and again? Anyway - in these cases it is better to talk to Blizzard and see what they have to say over the phone.

Edit:
When rgirty was wanting to take over a friend who was leaving the game's account I referred him to that. From it, it seems possible that you can take over a friends game if they transfer everything to you.The statement "You may permanently transfer all of your rights and obligations under the License Agreement to another" is just that - assigning the rights and obligations. Characters and accounts are covered here:

A. All title, ownership rights and intellectual property rights in and to the Game and all copies thereof (including without limitation any titles, computer code, themes, objects, characters, character names, stories, dialog, catch phrases, locations, concepts, artwork, character inventories, structural or landscape designs, animations, sounds, musical compositions and recordings, audio-visual effects, storylines, character likenesses, methods of operation, moral rights, and any related documentation) are owned or licensed by Blizzard.

SO, those are never yours to transfer, they are Blizzards

[JaedxRapture]

To the threadstarter: I doubt anyone here wants to help you if you're an eBayer. We don't really support cheating in WoW, which includes character buying or gold buying.

The statement "You may permanently transfer all of your rights and obligations under the License Agreement to another" is just that - assigning the rights and obligations. Characters and accounts are covered here:

<b>A. All title, ownership rights and intellectual property rights in and to the Game and all copies thereof (including without limitation any titles, computer code, themes, objects, characters, character names, stories, dialog, catch phrases, locations, concepts, artwork, character inventories, structural or landscape designs, animations, sounds, musical compositions and recordings, audio-visual effects, storylines, character likenesses, methods of operation, moral rights, and any related documentation) are owned or licensed by Blizzard.</b>

SO, those are never yours to transfer.

Yes, you said it much better. My brain doesn't work so well on 2 hours of sleep. (Oooooooh, look at the pretty pixels..)

[gmedina]

Yes. The EULA is called the "End User License Agreement" because it covers the license of the physical discs and software on said discs. The ToU is the "Terms of Use" because it covers the use of said software and all services linked to it.

Except that the EULA talks about the characters and unless my understanding of quantom physics is way off, aren't physical or on the software discs. So again i ask how do you come to this conclusion? And simply saying that you know it is right doesn't make it so!!!! If that were true then, I am Rich and have a million dollars....*a few seconds pass* Nope checked my account still not rich even thought I know I am.

A. All title, ownership rights and intellectual property rights in and to the Game and all copies thereof (including without limitation any titles, computer code, themes, objects, characters, character names, stories, dialog, catch phrases, locations, concepts, artwork, character inventories, structural or landscape designs, animations, sounds, musical compositions and recordings, audio-visual effects, storylines, character likenesses, methods of operation, moral rights, and any related documentation) are owned or licensed by Blizzard. The Game is protected by the copyright laws of the United States, international treaties and conventions, and other laws. The Game may contain materials licensed by third parties, and the licensors of those materials may enforce their rights in the event of any violation of this License Agreement.

[JaedxRapture]

Let me say one more thing, incase you're still confused.

The game is licensed to you by Blizzard, whereas the account is owned by Blizzard entirely, and you're only permitted to use it. You own no license or rights over the account(s). Therefore, by transferring ownership rights (ie licenses), you can only transfer the physical game.

Edit: Enough going off-topic. If you want to argue, please ask a GM to explain it in more detail.

I think this thread should be locked. It's gone way off-topic, and the threadstarter's likely a payer-buyer anyway.

[Tanitha]

I think this thread should be locked. It's gone way off-topic, and the threadstarter's likely a payer-buyer anyway.

Brassy call. I've had value from the little bit of OTness in here. It's clarified a few points in the whole thing to me, which is valuable. Everything has its purpose.

[JoeMuggs]

Trust me it is very much against the policy to sell your account it will get banned for that. Also you can not 'give' your account to some one. We have had well geared guild member leave the game that wanted to give their character to some one else so the good geared character could continue to be used by the guild. Some of the guild member I knew that did this (this was like a year ago) got caught and the account was frozen and only the original user could get it unfrozen.

That clause only applies to the stuff you buy from the store.

[swaldman]

Just in case the OP is genuine (miniscule chance...), my advice:

Ask a GM for help. If it is a bug, they won't make you start levelling again.

[sycamore]

Mind you, in the customer support forum I saw an email someone had received from Blizzard when they'd asked for help with a transferred account, and it said that they didn't support it but not that it was bannable... I'll try to find it.

I've found it, it was memorable :smiley:

It wasn't a transferred account but they understood his request as being about a transferred account, it says:

Hello,

Thank you for your email. The transferring of World of Warcraft accounts, characters, or items between individuals, is not a feature supported by Blizzard Entertainment as stated in our Terms of Use. Any users that choose to participate in this activity do so at their own risk. Blizzard will not facilitate nor mediate. This unfortunately means we cannot help you with this issue. Please ask the original account owner to contact us.

If you have any further questions or concerns please don't hesitate to contact us again.

http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=203490460&sid=1

'Not a feature supported by Blizzard' is different to forbidden. I just thought the phrasing was interesting.

[SLUGFly]

personally, I blame this entire thread on lawyers and lawyerspeak... this stuff was never intended to be understood by the "end user" thereby ensuring that the people issuing the contract (Blizzard in this case) are always right in any conflict with the people agreeing to the contract.

[Kodonn]

As to the original post (regardless of who leveled the toon, someone did):
Is it possible to level to 60 and still totally mess up your SW rep so that you can't buy a mount? Maybe he didn't do any quests or grinding at all in human lands?

[Tanitha]

I don't know. As he's a human Warrior, he'd already be getting a +10% bonus. And the level 40 mount doesn't require Exalted rep, does it?

[Penny]

personally, I blame this entire thread on lawyers and lawyerspeak... this stuff was never intended to be understood by the "end user" thereby ensuring that the people issuing the contract (Blizzard in this case) are always right in any conflict with the people agreeing to the contract.Blizzard is actually quite clear about the terms of service for accounts:

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/legal/termsofuse.html

Ownership/Selling of the Account or Virtual Items.
Blizzard does not recognize the transfer of Accounts. You may not purchase, sell, gift or trade any Account, or offer to purchase, sell, gift or trade any Account, and any such attempt shall be null and void. Blizzard owns, has licensed, or otherwise has rights to all of the content that appears in the Program. You agree that you have no right or title in or to any such content, including the virtual goods or currency appearing or originating in the Game, or any other attributes associated with the Account or stored on the Service. Blizzard does not recognize any virtual property transfers executed outside of the Game or the purported sale, gift or trade in the "real world" of anything related to the Game. Accordingly, you may not sell items for "real" money or otherwise exchange items for value outside of the Game.

[gmedina]

To the threadstarter: I doubt anyone here wants to help you if you're an eBayer. We don't really support cheating in WoW, which includes character buying or gold buying.


Another brassy call in determining how the rest of us will respond to the threadstarters request for help. First you are judging him guilty of buying even though that is only a suspicion by some not a fact. Second you are assuming that if that is true that none of us would be willing to help him. Third as someone posted earlier while Blizzard will not facilitate it, it isn't considered cheating.

To the threadstarter are you sure you have the riding skill? And if so are you trying to buy a mount from your classes starting location? In other words are you a dwarf trying to buy a ram? or are you a dwarf tying to buy a horse? If you are in the second situation then you have to be revered or honored or something to buy a mount from a location other than your starting location. I just realized your a human warrior, so the last question would be where are you trying to buy a mount from?

[cyradis2003]

couple of questions.

Do you have a horse in your bags or your bank? If so you just need to right click to mount.

Do you have the gold required to purchase a horse? If so then you should be able to buy one at the horse vender in that lumber camp place east of Goldshire.
(help me out here pink skins, can't recall the name)

Are you looking at the PvP horses? If you are looking at the pvp mounts in the hall of heros you will not be able to buy them without pvp tokens.

Are you sure you are human? Perhaps you are a little shorter than most and have a bushy beard? Maybe you should try buying a ram instead of a horse?

That said you may be better off buying a whole new game and starting fresh. The bad thing about buying an account (if this is what you did) is that you land fresh in the middle of the hard stuff with no practice getting through the easy stuff ... like mail and mounts and bags etc. Another downside is that this newly purchased account can be recovered by the original owner at pretty much any time. You have paid for something that people can take back no problem. It is like buying a dog from someone but they keep the end of the leash. You can play with your new dog but eventually the owner will pull the leash and the dog will go home. I would say buy a new copy of the game, don't give in to the temptation to mail yourself anything from that account as this could flag you as a hacker when the guy reclaims his stripped account, and just start from level one like everyone else.

The fun in this game is making friends and playing with people as you level up. Dropping fully dressed into the middle of end game with no idea how to be a usefull team mate will just get you blacklisted since no one wants to play with people at 60 that don't know their roles. Another thing to consider is if this previous owner told people he was selling the account - you may have some weird whispers asking for that gold they lent you back or you may have people that already have you on ignore. The guy could have been the biggest jerk on the server, the account could have traded hands more than Pam Anderson ... point is you may have bought a big bag of bad mojo and not even know it until you have invested weeks into that toon.

PSS warriors are teh noob - roll a mage

[PlayThemAll]

Giving the benefit of the doubt:

If it truely is bugged a GM can resolve it.
Playing the second toon to 60 will be much faster than playing the first.
Soulbound items cannot be transferred to another player/character. Gold and non-soulbound items can be mailed to another player/charter. You will only be able to buy a mount from your own faction unless you have accumulated honor somewhere else.



That being said, I just find it unfathomable that a player could "play" a toon to 60 without knowing even the most basic fundamentals of honor, mounts, game terminology or mechanics.

I hope I'm wrong, but I think I foresee another "I got banned and I don't know why" thread in the future.

[Justinledwards]

You don't need any rep with your starting alliance to buy their mount... If you could get to 40 or 60 without any quests and without killing any mobs that get you rep, you could still buy the riding skill and mount.

Rep is only useful if you want to buy another factions mount.

E.g. my Draenai is Lvl 43 but still doesn't have his faction mount... cos he wants a horse... and is at 13000/21000 revered, when I hit exalted SW will let me buy a horse.

But if you are a human - you start at friendly and you can buy a horse at friendly. Same with Nelfs at Darn, Draenai at Exodar etc etc

[rgirty]

EULA =/= TOU!
You can GIVE AWAY YOUR GAME CLIENT, as stated by the EULA, but you CANNOT GIVE AWAY YOUR ACCOUNT/CHARACTERS.

So, if you uninstall the game, you can go ahead and hand a friend your WoW discs, but doing that doesn't give them access to your account. Ever.

Trust me, you guys have severely mis-interpreted some information. Giving up the game client that you purchased and own isn't giving up your account or characters, which you did not really purchase and do not own at all.

No one owns their char. But this says pretty clearly to me, that if my friend quits the game I can get his stuff and shouldn't get /poo /poo'd on by these forums.

Rgirty will soon have multiple 70's.

[edandor]

seriously, why is everyone so ... ugh, about transfering accounts? my friend is thinking about quiting the game, and youd better believe that his 70 rogue will be mine if he does. and wanna know what? bliz will never know...whats the big deal? i think its funny that all of your are like "your gonna get banned!"

does it go against the ToS? yes, but i could be doing alot more illegal things with my time, like crack

[Tanitha]

seriously, why is everyone so ... ugh, about transfering accounts? my friend is thinking about quiting the game, and youd better believe that his 70 rogue will be mine if he does. and wanna know what? bliz will never know...whats the big deal? i think its funny that all of your are like "your gonna get banned!"

does it go against the ToS? yes, but i could be doing alot more illegal things with my time, like crack

Fair enough. If you do get banned though, don't create a thread protesting your innocence, please.

[Stigg]

No one owns their char. But this says pretty clearly to me, that if my friend quits the game I can get his stuff and shouldn't get /poo /poo'd on by these forums.

Rgirty will soon have multiple 70's.

seriously, why is everyone so ... ugh, about transfering accounts? my friend is thinking about quiting the game, and youd better believe that his 70 rogue will be mine if he does. and wanna know what? bliz will never know...whats the big deal? i think its funny that all of your are like "your gonna get banned!"

does it go against the ToS? yes, but i could be doing alot more illegal things with my time, like crack

Right. Just don't tell us about it.

[cyradis2003]

You don't need any rep with your starting alliance to buy their mount... If you could get to 40 or 60 without any quests and without killing any mobs that get you rep, you could still buy the riding skill and mount.

Rep is only useful if you want to buy another factions mount.

E.g. my Draenai is Lvl 43 but still doesn't have his faction mount... cos he wants a horse... and is at 13000/21000 revered, when I hit exalted SW will let me buy a horse.

But if you are a human - you start at friendly and you can buy a horse at friendly. Same with Nelfs at Darn, Draenai at Exodar etc etc

the riding skill is for all mounts now and that is the big cost factor. Spend the 90 gold now and you will be able to move lots faster and grind those quests better then pay 9g later to upgrade to the horse.

[ferofax]

...and all this for want of a horse. lol. seriously, my head spun off, this discussion went ridiculously offtopic (i dont mind though, new info is always welcome to me), and people are getting defensive (if theyre not already).

[Justinledwards]

Hey Cyradis, i know, i know, call it bloody-mindedness... :-)

[edandor]

Fair enough. If you do get banned though, don't create a thread protesting your innocence, please.

very good point, as i would never do that, and i dont feel anyone else should as well, haha

[bwirum]

Actually, the Euro and the US EULA are different on the "You're free to transfer the software and discs and bla bla bla to someone else". According to the Euro one, it's definately a no-no, but the US one seems selfcontradicting at best while compared to the ToU. I did some checkups on this earlier and it's nothing to wise at... Euro route, don't do it. US route - you can, but Blizzard won't help you if you get screwed.

[moopy]

Everything has its purpose.

Even Owen Wilson?

[earindur]

Even Owen Wilson?

ESPECIALLY OWEN WILSON!

his nose is a constant reminder that even the most beautiful painting has its delicate flaws. :heart:

[moopy]

I guess the kidneys might be recyclable :)

[PlayThemAll]

If Owen Wilson has a purpose, then the Warrier must be bugged.

Its the Chewbacca defense.

[moopy]

See the funny monkey!

[Aerath]

Right, now that it's been settled that Owen Wilson serves no purpose (not even his kidneys), I think it'd about time this thread dies of unnatural causes (ie. me).