PTR Twink Nerf

[Stigg]

Twink are getting hit with the nerf stick....badly, on the PTR's.

The (IMO) crappiest one is the loss of our dearly beloved Fishing Hat. It will now have a level requirement of 30...which means (of course) we can not use it. So what does this mean? Well, in all honesty, not that much. The 70 health difference really wasn't THAT detrimental to savng your life. But it WAS a symbol for the twink community. It WAS the "epic" item for twinks...the one item each twink dreamed about and spent countless sundays skipping dinner to fish. Countless hours of corpse hopping through crocodile infested waters or troll infested beaches. And now...every twink is going to be wearing green tinted goggles. IMO - this is the WORST change. People have spent honestly 10 months of fishng every sunday to get thsi darn hat. Other people, once obtaining the hat, destroyed their goggle and unlearned engineering to get a different profession up.

Secondly, The AGM now is +12 stamina as opposed to +12 dodge rating. This hurts rogues BAD. VERY BAD. Sure, having an extra 240 health is nice, but not as nice as having 20% dodge. All in all, this is a buff to the twink community...as most classes would prefer to have more health than dodge....but as a rogue...this sucks. So long are the days of easily manhandling warriors and hunters...

Nightmare Seed now requires level 60. Eh, whatever. Not that big of a deal. 2000 health for a short time was way to overpowered for a 19 anyways.

Leg enchants (LW and Tailoring) will no longer be able to be applied to legs. This is fine for current twinks....but this has truly decimated any twinks that will be made after the patch is released. I don't understand why anybody would make a twink (which is supposed to have the best gear) when they are no longer capable of getting the best gear...or getting anywhere near the ebst gear. IMO they should either take this 100% away (i.e. get rid of it from those that lready have it) or keep on letting it be available. Either way, I don't care. The couple hundred gold I spent on it isn't worth never seeing another twink be made.

Shoulder/Head Enchants don't work. I'm not exactly sure on the details of this, but apparently the manner in which to obtain these is broken on the PTR...which means a fix has been implemented. IMO this is a good thing. Other people are yelling about how long it took blizz to fix this and how they have spent 1000's of gold on items to make this work.

That's it atm...but I'll keep updates going.

[owlx]

I have just about all of those items and I won't miss them. I hope they don't change my fishing boots though.......if so, oh well.

I do think that if they are going to change the leg armor they should take it away from everybody. +8 to one stat or +100 hps is a big gap from 30 sta, 10 agi. New twinks will be getting the shaft on that one.

This just means it's time to venture into the 29 bracket and the 35+ enchants

[Juicyfroot]

Eh I think it is mostly fair, and i don't mind.
Although, maybe I am selfish for it, but I really hope they leave my clefthide alone.

[Altaris]

Well, that just means I didn't waste my Sunday's fishing then. I've been too busy the last few weekends playing battle grounds for my priest to work on getting the fishing hat or boots. I agree with the sentiments about the armor kits. If they prevent future twinks from using them, then Blizz should take it away from everyone. Any word on the BG matching? I saw a post in the patch thread about it being there, but no other information was provided.

[Gisharr]

Twink are getting hit with the nerf stick....badly, on the PTR's.

...Secondly, The AGM now is +12 stamina as opposed to +12 dodge rating. This hurts rogues BAD. VERY BAD. Sure, having an extra 240 health is nice, but not as nice as having 20% dodge. All in all, this is a buff to the twink community...as most classes would prefer to have more health than dodge....but as a rogue...this sucks. So long are the days of easily manhandling warriors and hunters...



240HP vs. about 9% dodge. Probably bad for rogues but good for every other class in the game.

[Stigg]

240HP vs. about 9% dodge. Probably bad for rogues but good for every other class in the game.

Hence why I said
All in all, this is a buff to the twink community...as most classes would prefer to have more health than dodge....but as a rogue...this sucks.

[tardzilla]

RIP twinks.

[Stigg]

RIP twinks.

Not really. It's just a change that shall be overcome. The only thing that would result in "RIP Twinks" is XP from BG's....but even then, it really wouldn't matter as World PVP would pick up.

[PTiger]

RIP twinks.

Yeah, this is not correct. Plus it seems the more appropriate saying would be RIP new twinks. Which makes the old twinks even more overpowered.

[Gisharr]

Of course will anger the twinking community which will in turn take it out on the lowbies that venture into the bgs. Of course they were the ones crying about the gear disparities... No more painless quick games vs. preforms. I see long gy camp sessions and cruelty.:undecided:

[Astross]

Twinks are for people who get owned at lvl 70...

so they play the lowbie BG's to release some fustration on some noobs.

I guess they like the feeling of winning with an unfair advantage...

[Stigg]

Twinks are for people who get owned at lvl 70...

so they play the lowbie BG's to release some fustration on some noobs.

I guess they like the feeling of winning with an unfair advantage...

Go away. Unlike the official forums we are not here to bash on other people's playstyle. Show your epeen to your other guild members while posting on the unmoderatored crap forums. Don't post your squabble here.

[Nitsujcm]

Go away. Unlike the official forums we are not here to bash on other people's playstyle. Show your epeen to your other guild members while posting on the unmoderatored crap forums. Don't post your squabble here.

/cheer






*mypostwastooshort

[Astross]

I was simply stating my opinion of twinks...

I just don't understand how it is fun to kill people with considerably lower gear than you.

Sounds like you are the one who likes his "epeen" stroked.

:tongue:

[Gisharr]

There is not a right/wrong side to the issue, only opinion. People choose to do what they want in the game because they can. The whole discussion becomes a long whiney thread with no end.

[Rex Normal]

I personally don't understand twinks, but they don't affect me since even if I wanted to PvP with my low level alts it wouldn't be for more than a few pickup matches here and there. Let them have their fun. I think if bliz wanted to eraticate twink behavior entirely they could do it easily, but instead they seem to be simply curbing their appeal.

[Suicider]

I was simply stating my opinion of twinks...

I just don't understand how it is fun to kill people with considerably lower gear than you.

Sounds like you are the one who likes his "epeen" stroked.

:tongue:

Sounds like you are the one who can't twink and is bashing people because of it.

:tongue:

Myself, I don't twink, but I do respect WELL-PLAYED twinks. Yesterday in WSG there was two twink rogues. Both were really nice equipped and all, one UD, one BE.
However, the UD one was the kind of finds a nice corner to hang in untill some guy comes fleeing his way at which point he would run out and ambush and then vanish untill the next guy would come running as a free HK.

The BE however was the totally opposite - Always in the middle, stunlocking, sapping, blinding and protecting the healer.. I don't feel ashamed of saying that I got my rear handed back to me in pieces after facing him.

Suicider.

[Nitsujcm]

Twinks are for people who get owned at lvl 70...


Umm... this isn't an opinion. You are saying, anyone with a twink gets owned at lvl 70.

so they play the lowbie BG's to release some fustration on some noobs.

Again, manipulated fact, not opinion. You assume A. we are trying to release some "fustration" and B. anyone who isn't a twink is a noob. Both are wrong and only the 2nd can be considered an opinion- and it is about the non twinks in lower BGs.

I guess they like the feeling of winning with an unfair advantage...

Still not an opinion.... a sarcastic guess... In a twink vs twink world how does either side have an unfair advantage? It's a rhetorical question, so feel free not to answer.


I just don't understand how it is fun to kill people with considerably lower gear than you.

Maybe that is because you have never looked into what most twinks actually do. We aren’t out to kill anyone as our number one priority. Most respectable twink guilds will /gkick you for camping GY or hunting non twinks. Get the flag, return the flag x3. If you come across another twink – skill vs skill because you have similar gear.

Or go challenge yourself by fighting higher lvls in real world pvp or duels.


One question that isn’t rhetorical for you Astross… Do you pvp at all? At lvl 70? If you end up getting tier 5 or 6 gear in the future are you going to quit pvp? Because at that point you will be killing people with “considerably lower gear than you” and according to your previous statement, you don’t understand how that would be any fun.

[Stigg]

I was simply stating my opinion of twinks...

I just don't understand how it is fun to kill people with considerably lower gear than you.

Sounds like you are the one who likes his "epeen" stroked.

:tongue:

Neat. This isn't the thread to discuss that. There are about 4 other lively threads to have your unresearched bashing in.

And my epeen is huge.

[Nitsujcm]

And my epeen is huge.

True story. One time, Stigg's Alt's Epeen fell on stormwind and killed all the guards...

It's kind of a Chuck Norris thing except true...

[semisonic9]

I'm actually upset by this. I have a Rogue I've been twinking because I'm disgusted with how my main was treated in the expansion.

Now they're going to create an artificial have vs have-not situation with twinks who were there first?

Lame.

I was busy working on mats and gold for my glove and weapon agility enchants, hadn't bothered to get the leg stuff yet. Oh, and, yeah, hit 225 Fishing the other day, glad THAT boring-ass grind is going to bear fruit.

GJ, Blizz, GJ, keep kicking my enjoyment of this game in the nuts. First my Priest, now my Twink..."I got a lvl 5 Mage, want to nerf him, too, ****ers!!??!!" :rolleyes:

~Semi

[Nitsujcm]

Just be happy you arn't a warrior. My best friend has one and just looks at the screen and crys all day.


But yea, my priest basicly farms gold and arena points. Alts FTW.

[MistaGuy]

What makes me a sad panda, is the fact that I already have the hat with it's libram. *tear*

[Amurko]

Twinks are for people who get owned at lvl 70...

so they play the lowbie BG's to release some fustration on some noobs.

I guess they like the feeling of winning with an unfair advantage...

As much as I love twinking, I'd have to agree with you. Although I love playing the game, I simply do not have the desire to spend several hours a day to acquire the best possible gear at lvl 70. People get owned at lvl 70 simply because they do not have the gear to compete (and/or the time to join a premade team.) I'm sorry, but I'm not convinced over the notion that gear makes no difference at lvl 70 and it's all about skill. Show me a video of a lvl 70 in green and blue gear that completely owns people in the BGs and can kill 2 or 3 other 70's simultaneously and consistently without exploiting. The difference between a well geared 70 and a noob in blues/greens is much greater than the difference between a lvl 60 noob and a lvl 69 twink. Until gear matching comes about, many people just aren't going to try to compete in that bracket when they can gain a competitive edge in some of the earlier brackets with less time.

I personally choose the 59 bracket to twink in since my character already has like 90% of his buttons available to him. I'll share a secret.. if you want PvP matches where skill matters more than lvl 70 epics or insane enchants, try a higher level (but not 70) bracket.

I don't enter the BGs at lvl 70 in blue and green gear as a free HK for the better geared players --- > I'm a loser.

But I still want to at least have a fighting chance if not own others in the BGs so I look towards the lower level brackets --- > I'm a loser.

I spend my hard earned gold on enchants where they'll actually make a difference --- > I'm a loser.

I play the game to have fun and stop for the day once I'm bored instead of raiding / pvping for 5+ hours for epics --- > I'm a loser.

I feel honoured to be called a loser for twinking.

But on a more serious note, how do twinks negatively impact the gameplay of lvl 70's so much that they should disappear? I have yet to hear a convincing argument that supports that notion. Sure, twinks take up slots for a finite number of players allowed on your server at once and do weird things to the economy of low level items.

[semisonic9]

Just be happy you arn't a warrior. My best friend has one and just looks at the screen and crys all day.


But yea, my priest basicly farms gold and arena points. Alts FTW.

Is the Warrior 70? MS is almost an absolute requirement for 5v5 arena pvp, and, with the latest changes, Warriors were really starting to get on Rogues nerves with the damage they were putting out, last i saw.

A lot of the Rogues I was talking to had trouble getting into Heroics, some raids, and many of the best 5v5s just don't think Rogues are worth it over mages for DPS vs heals requirements.

But on the Priest, yeah...let's just say I found a great spot to farm Ghost Mushrooms, and every once in awhile I'll hearth out to mail em to my twink. Other than that, it's a dead character.

I also agree that the lower levels in this game house the best PvP. I had the most fun in the 49 brackets, because everyone could pwn it up pretty well by that level, have many of their talents, and pretty solid gear. IMO, the difference between "twink" and not isn't as harsh at that level either, and clothies are finally able to field some decent damage.

~Semi

[Kevman]

True story. One time, Stigg's Alt's Epeen fell on stormwind and killed all the guards...

It's kind of a Chuck Norris thing except true...

This is one of the funniest things Ive seen in the forums in years :)

Thx for the chuckle :laughing:

[Felix Niebuhr]

AAARGGHHH Kryptonite, its kryptonite....

[Astross]

Sounds like a bunch of twink noobs crying about the BG matching nerf. What's the matter? You actually have a fair match up now? /cry

HAHAHA

IN MY OPINION, people who have twinks:
1) Usually don't even have a lvl 70 character...
2) Or they are in a crappy guild with their lvl 70 that can't even clear the huntsman in Kara.
3) They get mad at not being able to get any epics with their crappy lvl 70 in their crappy guild, so they make a twink.
4) Yay! I have a twink and I can pwnzzors the noobzors! I'm teh best!
5) I guess I would want to play a twink too, if my lvl 70 sucked so bad.
6) Lvl up, gear up, and come play with the big boys at lvl 70...you will soon find out that there is no time for noob twinks.

[Stigg]

True story. One time, Stigg's Alt's Epeen fell on stormwind and killed all the guards...

It's kind of a Chuck Norris thing except true...
Hahahahahaha


Sounds like a bunch of twinks crying about the BG matching nerf. Your days of one shotting lowbies in the BG's are near an end.

HAHAHA

People who have twinks:
1) Usually don't even have a lvl 70 character...
2) Or they are in a crappy guild with their lvl 70 that can't even clear the huntsman in Kara.
3) They get mad at not being able to get any epics with their crappy lvl 70 in their crappy guild, so they make a twink.
4) Yay! I have a twink and I can pwnzzors the noobzors! I'm teh best!
5) I guess I would want to play a twink too, if my lvl 70 sucked so bad.
6) Lvl up, gear up, and come play with the big boys at lvl 70...you will soon find out that there is no time for noob twinks.

Once again, go away. Clearly you have shown your epeen needs some love. Do some research, spend some time getting to know the game at which you play. Anything else? Take it up with me in PMs where things can actually be said openly. I can assure you you won't be dissapointed.

In the meantime, I suggest picking up a "Learn to read" book at the elementary school you go to's library. Check that out, read it for a little while, and come abck to see where anybody on this thread is complaining about player matching.

If anything, player matching will make most twinks happy...so now they can actually get into some games were morons like you that don't care enough about the game aren't taking up space.

Anyways, if you want to make a conversation pleasant, really...PM me your thoughts and ideas about twinking. Not only will I get a good chance to laugh, I will get a good oppurtunity to get out my morning frustration.

Lastly, where is a link to your profile? Unless you have the complete Gladiator set...you really don't have much room to talk....as you don't really PVP then at the best of your ability at 70 either.

[Astross]

My armory link? I'll be glad to, except I'm at work and its blocked....so look me up...

Astros (undead mage) on Bloodscalp (Horde)

Have fun with your little twink guy....

As for the full gladiator set, arena gear sucks for PVE speced players. The gear in the raiding scene beats gladiator set hands down.




Oh and while we are linking armory profiles, lets see yours.

[Stigg]

I am confused, was there something impressive PVP wise abour your player? Nice...you got a few of the rank 14 gears...which a farmer could have done in his sleep. Your arena team hasn't even touched the arena floor in over a week. SO once again...do some research, come up with an argument, or at least be able to show that you have the slightest idea you know what you are talking about, and come back. Really. I want to learn. Please teach me.

And I haven't played WoW for quite some time. Regardless, any continuation of this should probably be taken up in PMs where we can be more "civil"

[Daidoji Sagara]

Stigg, just drop it, not worth it.

There always were people in the anti-twink bandwagon, always is, always will be. How about we just go play a little an leave the steaming posting to those with the inclinaison?

[Stigg]

Stigg, just drop it, not worth it.

There always were people in the anti-twink bandwagon, always is, always will be. How about we just go play a little an leave the steaming posting to those with the inclinaison?

Hence why its being taken up in the wonderful world of PMs. If nothing else, it should keep me entertained for an hour while I wait for my papers to get back to me.

I could care less if people don't appreciate twinks. Don't clutter up a perfectly civil message with your crap "LOL twinsk r badd lolz 70 iz were itz @!!!1"

[Astross]

I am confused, was there something impressive PVP wise abour your player? Nice...you got a few of the rank 14 gears...which a farmer could have done in his sleep. Your arena team hasn't even touched the arena floor in over a week. SO once again...do some research, come up with an argument, or at least be able to show that you have the slightest idea you know what you are talking about, and come back. Really. I want to learn. Please teach me.

And I haven't played WoW for quite some time. Regardless, any continuation of this should probably be taken up in PMs where we can be more "civil"



The only reason I have that crappy pvp gear is because it was slightly better for raiding than the stuff I had before. PVP gear sucks, I can't wait to get rid of it.

Arena gear is trash, have you seen the stats on that crap? At least for mages, its not even worth looking at....too much stamina(no intellect), and resilience...worthless for the PVE speced raiding people.

As for my arena team...lol...we havnt even played one game! You know why? cause the gear is not worth the time, it sucks bad. I forgot I was even on an arena team...lol

PVE gear > PVP gear ......by far

[owlx]

I better not have to get involved in this........


There have aready been several topics about the good and bad of twinking. That is not what this thread is about.

Stigg posted some upcoming changes that are on the ptr, and, will affect twinks.

I personally think this is a good thing. I have all the best twink gear. It doesn't bother me in the least that I will take a bit of a hit to my hps and not be able to use a couple items that took a little bit of work to acquire.. The first month BC had come out I didn't even upgrade my twink and I still pwned the twinks who did get the upgrades. I know several people with shoulder and head enchants. I wasn't going to go through the trouble of exploiting to get them. I still rake better geared twinks. All the real twinks are not going to care about this change. Sure it sucks to lose some hard earned items, but, the true twinks will adjust and get on with the pwning.

This change will close the gap between the full twinks and the wannabe's.........making it a lot easier to get to "full twink" status. Afterall, isn't that what all the non-twinks were complaining about.......being on an even playing field? You got what you wanted. You have no more excuses and no reason to bash those who choose to play this game differently than you do.

Thank you blizz. You finally nerfed the twink haters.

[Stigg]

Hmm I thought we were talking through PMs.

Anywho...yes for PVE the arena gear is horrid. Except the Gladiator's Spellblade.

I better not have to get involved in this........
You should hold a PM conversation with him. Rather entertaining his logic is!

[Daidoji Sagara]

Damn Stigg stop being the teaser!

Now I want to hear it too :laugh:

[morbomage]

I play twink as to face other twink and my main has cleared Kara etc, I don’t for one minute think twink’s are bad I think there a lot of fun and right now all the constant farming for consumables is not much fun and I use my twink to unwind after a few hours of farming mats for potions and flasks for raiding.

Thanks for the post Stigg really helpful as I had no idea about any of these things since reading the patch notes.

And since we seem to be trying to show off with our chars: "Morbó" - Al'akir is my main I have cleared Kara a fair few times and he is not that badly equipped as a raiding char. And my twink "stársky" also on Al'Akir.

Did I see a post saying twink’s don’t have mains? Or they need to learn how to gear up at level 70? As one great film says "Never assume!" "Because assumptions are the mother of all F**k ups"

[Stigg]

I play twink as to face other twink and my main has cleared Kara etc, I don’t for one minute think twink’s are bad I think there a lot of fun and right now all the constant farming for consumables is not much fun and I use my twink to unwind after a few hours of farming mats for potions and flasks for raiding.

Thanks for the post Stigg really helpful as I had no idea about any of these things since reading the patch notes.

And since we seem to be trying to show off with our chars: "Morbó" - Al'akir is my main I have cleared Kara a fair few times and he is not that badly equipped as a raiding char. And my twink "stársky" also on Al'Akir.



As was the intention of this thread. Due to the fact that very few of these changes were in the Patch ntoes, I thought it a good idea to get it out.

And I made my twink for the same reason. Spending 4 hours farming dreamfoil followed by 5 hours of raiding to not get any loot got frustrating. Killing ??'s made it not as frustrating.

[Daidoji Sagara]

Yep that's the spirit: push the limit to where it looks simply insane.

What I do grieve is that: grieving. It's one thing to get owned by a lower level toon, it's decidedly another to repeatedly get owned by some less than mild-mannered person who think /spit, /rude and /laugh is a proper way to treat another human being...

On the other hand, twinking a lvl 1 char and succed at solo'ing Hoggers, getting some overconfident Hordie to get owned despite being 10 lvls above you in the Barrens, or entering a BG and trying the find the bestest in the ennemy team and ducking it out 1v1, now THAT's where twinking's fun.

[Gisharr]

The only reason I have that crappy pvp gear is because it was slightly better for raiding than the stuff I had before. PVP gear sucks, I can't wait to get rid of it.

Arena gear is trash, have you seen the stats on that crap? At least for mages, its not even worth looking at....too much stamina(no intellect), and resilience...worthless for the PVE speced raiding people.

As for my arena team...lol...we havnt even played one game! You know why? cause the gear is not worth the time, it sucks bad. I forgot I was even on an arena team...lol

PVE gear > PVP gear ......by far

Obviously you haven't pvp'ed lately. Dead mage = no dps. Thats why the stam is stacked. PVP gear is slanted towards pvp while the instance/raid drops are slanted towards damage output with little stam. I pvp at 19,29 and 70. Used to do the whole raiding thing but it's a major commitment with no guaranteed payout not to mention getting a little boring. I enjoy pvp because I know that there is a person behind the toon I just beat, not some scripted computer code. I can sit down for 1 hour, bang out a couple games, get some honor, then eventually turn it in for nice epic quality gear which will further enhance my game. Basically it comes down to a non-pvper complaining about twinking. I've missed the reason you voiced your opinion anyways? How does this affect you and your game enjoyment?

[Amurko]

Sounds like a bunch of twink noobs crying about the BG matching nerf. What's the matter? You actually have a fair match up now? /cry

HAHAHA

IN MY OPINION, people who have twinks:
1) Usually don't even have a lvl 70 character...
2) Or they are in a crappy guild with their lvl 70 that can't even clear the huntsman in Kara.
3) They get mad at not being able to get any epics with their crappy lvl 70 in their crappy guild, so they make a twink.
4) Yay! I have a twink and I can pwnzzors the noobzors! I'm teh best!
5) I guess I would want to play a twink too, if my lvl 70 sucked so bad.
6) Lvl up, gear up, and come play with the big boys at lvl 70...you will soon find out that there is no time for noob twinks.

Give it up, I'm paying my monthly fee and I can play the game however I want as long as it abides to the rules. Hell, I can go around just killing squirrels and rabbits if that's what I truly enjoy. You have yet to convince me how creating a twink infringes on your enjoyment of the game.

And for the record, I actually support the BG gear matching.. I actually might be able to compete at lvl 70 instead of being put against people who have spent 3x /played.

[Astross]

Any lvl 70 in the game could easily twink a lvl 19/29....why don't they you ask? Because they are busy trying to acquire the best gear in the game, not fart around with some noob twink. Hell my grandma can make a twink and own with it...twinks are for noobs, they take no skill what so ever.

Anyone can go out and buy the best lowbie gear to own the low bracket BG's...not everyone can enter the raiding scene and get the best gear in the game.

[kodeeak]

Any lvl 70 in the game could easily twink a lvl 19/29....why don't they you ask? Because they are busy trying to acquire the best gear in the game, not fart around with some noob twink. Hell my grandma can make a twink and own with it...twinks are for noobs, they take no skill what so ever.

Anyone can go out and buy the best lowbie gear to own the low bracket BG's...not everyone can enter the raiding scene and get the best gear in the game.
I have a 19 hunter twink and a 70 mage whose guild has kaz on farm. I raid 3 days a week and bg/farm the rest of the time. Not everyone cares to raid 7 days a week 6 hours a day. If I did, I'd roll with nihilum or a similar guild.

twinks are for anyone who likes to play the bg's with an advantage... only those without the means to twink out a toon qq so much about them. And no, not everyone can go out and buy/quest for the best lowbie gear to really twink out a 19.. not everyone can afford the epic chants and gear. Go out and buy your lowbie gear but without spending a lot of gold on expensive chants, librams, armor kits.. most true twinks will see you as cannon fodder.

Most of the twinks I know and play premade's with have 70's that have progressed well beyond the average 70 toon. We do it for fun, period.

[PlayThemAll]

I just love how every thread that even mentions the word "twink" ends up in a "twinks suck" or "my style of play is betters then yours" argument.

At least it makes the time go by faster. :thumbsup:

[Stigg]

/sigh Alright, want to make this thread similar to all the other anti-twink threads...ok

Making and succeeding in endgame raiding is incredibly easy as well....IF you have the time. WoW on a whole is incredibly easy when it comes to PVE. Pack a bunch of epics on the back of somebody that has never played wow before, give them 3 days to run 5 man raids, and throw them into an "end-game" raid. They will perform fine.

Nobody is doubting the ease at which a 70 cna make a twink. it is easy. Nobody will argue that point with you. But what difference does it make? it is fun. Apparently you find joy in spending 5+ hours a day farming mats and killing the same mobs over and over again for a chance to get some l33t epix. Which is fine. Once again, (as I stated in my PMs to you) these forums are here for the overall enjoyment of the WoW community. Its your $15 a month, and I am under no circumstances going to critique you for enjoying the game.

Discussion of skill is a different matter. As per your PM, twinks are not some failed level 45 who wants to own in the BGs. On the contrary, most twinks seek out challenges. Finding the other incredibly powerful twinks to go 1 on 1 with. Hunting down ??'s out in the world, and going into the 5v5 arenas solo. For twinks, one-shotting level 10s that step foot into the BGs isn't as fun as people think. It is not the point of a twink. Nor is GY camping.

I have made a guide for twinking rogues. If you follow the guide, you will have one of the most geared twinks on your server. I can make a full twink in less than a day (minus the fishing hat/boots/AGM). So, no it doesn't take time and it doesn't take skill to make a twink. It does take time and skill to gain the respect of the server and battlegroup.

And for you, apparently +603 spell damage for a mage does as well. /snicker

I just don't get your argument. You clearly are NOT going for the best available gear for your "raiding" character. You have not done the research and you have not spent the time to make your character everything he can be. Yes, it takes more time and devotion to make a 70 have the best available gear than a 19 twink. A lot more time. but why don't you do it if that is what you are all about? If you are willing to explain your sub-par level 70 raiding mage's DPS capabilities, please do so. After all, it is your whole basis of this argument.

[Astross]

/sigh Alright, want to make this thread similar to all the other anti-twink threads...ok

Making and succeeding in endgame raiding is incredibly easy as well....IF you have the time. WoW on a whole is incredibly easy when it comes to PVE. Pack a bunch of epics on the back of somebody that has never played wow before, give them 3 days to run 5 man raids, and throw them into an "end-game" raid. They will perform fine.

Nobody is doubting the ease at which a 70 cna make a twink. it is easy. Nobody will argue that point with you. But what difference does it make? it is fun. Apparently you find joy in spending 5+ hours a day farming mats and killing the same mobs over and over again for a chance to get some l33t epix. Which is fine. Once again, (as I stated in my PMs to you) these forums are here for the overall enjoyment of the WoW community. Its your $15 a month, and I am under no circumstances going to critique you for enjoying the game.

Discussion of skill is a different matter. As per your PM, twinks are not some failed level 45 who wants to own in the BGs. On the contrary, most twinks seek out challenges. Finding the other incredibly powerful twinks to go 1 on 1 with. Hunting down ??'s out in the world, and going into the 5v5 arenas solo. For twinks, one-shotting level 10s that step foot into the BGs isn't as fun as people think. It is not the point of a twink. Nor is GY camping.

I have made a guide for twinking rogues. If you follow the guide, you will have one of the most geared twinks on your server. I can make a full twink in less than a day (minus the fishing hat/boots/AGM). So, no it doesn't take time and it doesn't take skill to make a twink. It does take time and skill to gain the respect of the server and battlegroup.

And for you, apparently +603 spell damage for a mage does as well. /snicker

I just don't get your argument. You clearly are NOT going for the best available gear for your "raiding" character. You have not done the research and you have not spent the time to make your character everything he can be. Yes, it takes more time and devotion to make a 70 have the best available gear than a 19 twink. A lot more time. but why don't you do it if that is what you are all about? If you are willing to explain your sub-par level 70 raiding mage's DPS capabilities, please do so. After all, it is your whole basis of this argument.




still waiting on your armory link....

must be bad

[Stigg]

still waiting on your armory link....

must be bad

Clearly you don't read. As per 3 PMs, I have told you I know longer play. I can tell you, however, that my mage when I quit was not an epicd out 70. Nor do I need him to be to have my twink.

A twink can be made by any player. My comments regarding your 70 mage is that you are claiming to be going for the best, while you are clearly doing nothing to make your mage the best. I will not ever claim my mage to be good since the release of TBC.

But hey, good work on backing up your claims!

And regardless, why not continue through our PM discussion...where we can...speak more freely.

[owlx]

still waiting on your armory link....

must be bad


lmao

if you mean bad, as in one of the best geared twink rogues......then yeah, his gear is bad. lol

look at his avatar for crying out loud. if you can't tell what gear he's wearing there, then I think you need to learn a little bit more about twinking before you start speaking about things you know nothing about.

[Stigg]

lmao

if you mean bad, as in one of the best geared twink rogues......then yeah, his gear is bad. lol

look at his avatar for crying out loud. if you can't tell what gear he's wearing there, then I think you need to learn a little bit more about twinking before you start speaking about things you know nothing about.

Fairly sure he meant my mage....but you do have an excellent point. Before I even attempt to argue against somebody, I do a little research to understand what I am talking about. Not only will it help me not embaress myself, but it may also change my mind.

For the many people that took part in the "Twinks not Tactics" thread, I know quite a few of them switched their views and either made a twink or at least got to understand twinks enough that they no longer actively went out of their way to bash them...some even gained respect.

All in all, i wish djiss would make an appearance...it would make my day :)

[nosoup4crr]

I hope you don't mind me moving back on-topic, stigg. But, out of curiosity...is it possible that the patch just hasn't gone through the pains necessary to remove all the libram enchants and leg armor enchants from pre-existing items, when...based on the fact that they're disallowing using these in the future...it's likely they WILL actually be removed from pre-existing items? Furthermore...have you seen if the libram enchants are being removed from pre-existing items? or is your account of those similar to the leg armors, in that only their application has been haulted?

[Stigg]

I'd rather be back on topic anyday....

AFAIK, the librams are going to work exactly as they did before. Still able to be applied through the trade channel.

And, AFAIK, any leg enchants that are already applied will remain that way.

Of course, this is just on the PTR...and ANYTHNG can change at any time...so who knows what will be goign on. I have a few friends that are updating me prior to every tuesday with any changes that occur in the twinking world...so if there is anything changed, I will make sure to let everybody know ASAP on this forum.

[Fotwenty]

I have a level 70, I have a lvl 69 twink, 2 lvl 49 twinks, 3 lvl 39 twinks, a lvl 29 twink and a lvl 19 twink. Guess I dont know how to play.....


Fact of the matter is there are several epic's in the 30's - 40's range these are definately not intended for leveling and discarding 10 levels down the road. BC enchants can be placed on lvl 35 gear many of these new enchants blow away what was available before in the 30's bracket. So maybe the game designers agree and support our style of play.

I enjoy raiding at lvl 70, but after having my account hacked and all of my gear sold off on my lvl 70 I am not going to play him until it is restored. (three weeks and counting). I still have to laugh.. they sell off all my armor but dont touch the 3k of gold sitting on my bank character nor did they sell off any of my twink gear. Just most of my quested items on my main that can't be replaced in the AH.

the usual argument from the anti-twink crowd is that twinks cant pvp end game. they have issues with us self imposing a level cap and trying to make our characters the best they can be in their level bracket. Yet they have no qualms about doing the same thing at lvl 70 this is called a double standard.

As you can see I have a ton of characters, I play every class in game, and every race on the horde side. There is no way I have the time to level all of my characters to lvl 70, hell I think I have done pretty well with what I have accomplished so far. So rather then abandon my characters never to play them again I twink them and pvp with them.


Anyway thanks to the original poster for the information... time to go get the last of my librams and leg armor made.

My crew all on Moonrunner realm check them on the armory
=========================
Narma - lvl 70 warlock (gear stolen)
Fotwenty - lvl 69 druid - twink
Onehitter - lvl 49 rogue - twink
Paudith - lvl 49 priest -twink
Auctionbait - lvl 39 Warlock - twink
Grimgol - lvl 39 Hunter - twink
Salvia - lvl 39 mage - twinking
Ieatgrass - lvl 29 Shaman - twink
Ontherag - lvl 19 Paladin - twink
Marjanda - lvl 34 warrior (leveling to the 40's bracket).

wait ... I am a twinker... cant get to 70, or play end game... lmao....

[nosoup4crr]

I'd rather be back on topic anyday....

AFAIK, the librams are going to work exactly as they did before. Still able to be applied through the trade channel.

And, AFAIK, any leg enchants that are already applied will remain that way.

Of course, this is just on the PTR...and ANYTHNG can change at any time...so who knows what will be goign on. I have a few friends that are updating me prior to every tuesday with any changes that occur in the twinking world...so if there is anything changed, I will make sure to let everybody know ASAP on this forum.


Oh...the head enchants you mentioned in your original post...were you talking about the exploits, as opposed to the librams?

[owlx]

I'm pretty sure he was talkinga bout the head and shoulder exploits.

Librams should still work for head and legs

[Stigg]

Yea...sorry about that. Librams are still 100% fine.

[Nitsujcm]

Hmm... so what if I have 5 leg kits made and apply them to lvl 18 pants now... After the patch, can I still send them to whoever? I could stock up on some lvl 18 twink pants and sell them for ungodly amounts of money "evil grin" - actually, I would just stock a few up incase I want to make a twink druid or hunter in the future. Worst case, I could make the twinks now, send them the legs and just let them sit until I am ready to make them....

[owlx]

from the way stigg described it, it's a matter of how the leg armor is applied, not an equip issue, so it sounds like you could enchant a whole bunch of legs and then sell them later.

Of course that doesn't mean that blizz won't change it again.

I've actually been doing this since they fixed enchanting. I've made a good deal of cash. I might just hold a couple and bump the prices up a bit after the patch

[Stigg]

Hmm... so what if I have 5 leg kits made and apply them to lvl 18 pants now... After the patch, can I still send them to whoever? I could stock up on some lvl 18 twink pants and sell them for ungodly amounts of money "evil grin" - actually, I would just stock a few up incase I want to make a twink druid or hunter in the future. Worst case, I could make the twinks now, send them the legs and just let them sit until I am ready to make them....

AFAIK, yes that would work...and I actually have been telling my old guildmates to do that. but you are taking a major risk with it. There is always a chance something will change during patch day and make them all either BOP or unmailable.

[Astross]

Not only will it help me not embaress myself, but it may also change my mind.


that made me chuckle. LOL. especially in the context of that sentence.

embarrass*****


still waiting to see that "epiced out lvl 60 mage" you were talking about....

ohh thats right, you quit playing it because you're in a bad guild that isn't even kara keyed. guess i would make a twink too if i was in a guild that bad.

[Stigg]

that made me chuckle. LOL. especially in the context of that sentence.

embarrass*****


still waiting to see that "epiced out lvl 60 mage" you were talking about....

ohh thats right, you quit playing it because you're in a bad guild that isn't even kara keyed. guess i would make a twink too if i was in a guild that bad.

Haha, dude you really need to back off....as now youa re just embarassing yourself. As per PMs you should know that my 60 epic mage was pre-tbc. Post TBC, he is a 70 mage covered in blues, some greens, and 2 epics (tailoring epics). My ex guild is completely Kara keyed and is currently running 3 raid groups in kara atm, and one has begun Gruul's.

And once again, I am not commenting on my mage's power. I spent my time raiding pre-tbc every night for 5 hours ove the course of about a year.

Finally, you have yet to explian how you are doing anything to make yourself a better mage. Hell, the ALT mages in my guild have more spell damage than you.

Finally, unless you wish to continue making a fool of yourself, I suggest we (once again) continue this conversation in PMs. I am still waiting to here the logic behind your characters instead of every reply from you being "LOL noob twink"

[semisonic9]

Clearly you don't read. As per 3 PMs, I have told you I know longer play.

....

And regardless, why not continue through our PM discussion...where we can...speak more freely.

Because he is a troll. And trolls need attention. He doesn't care enough to take it to PMs because then it wouldn't be trolling.


The ironic thing, to me, is that he shows the hallmarks that one normally finds in your dumber twink players. You know, the guys who make you embarassed to twink.

He:
Sucks at PvP.
Feels a need to put down other players to make himself feel superior.
Has pretty bad social skills.
and apparently can''t attract good teamates.

Stigg, you seem like a nice guy. I'd really stop wasting time with this loser, it's clear to anyone reading the thread what's going on. Nobody else needs to be convinced what a "special person" he is.

~Semi

[PTiger]

that made me chuckle. LOL. especially in the context of that sentence.

embarrass*****


still waiting to see that "epiced out lvl 60 mage" you were talking about....

ohh thats right, you quit playing it because you're in a bad guild that isn't even kara keyed. guess i would make a twink too if i was in a guild that bad.

You aren't contributing anything to the topic of the thread. You continue to TRY to belittle a respected member of this community. I've reported your "posts" and hope to see you banned shortly. While this type of behavior is accepted on the main WoW forums, people come to this website so they do not have to be bothered by this type of inane posting.

[Stigg]

Excellent points. If he so wished, the topic will continue through PMs....if not who cares.

back on topic, I'll keep this thread (assuming its not shut down) updated with any twink related news I hear.

[Tronis]

“For the many people that took part in the "Twinks not Tactics" thread, I know quite a few of them switched their views and either made a twink or at least got to understand twinks enough that they no longer actively went out of their way to bash them...some even gained respect.”


Yes stigg, I was one of the ones who you are talking about. I may not completely agree with you, but you did get my respect for your dedication and knowledge of the play stile you enjoy. Also I have my level 11 BE warlock in BG all the time and its fun. I cannot kill anything but I can fear like no one else! ;)

[Nitsujcm]

Yes, I don't think any of his posts in this thread could be considered anything except trolling. He dosen't even raise any new points - just keeps going back to the same blanket statments about anyone who has a twink. I don't think there is any statment that will apply to 100% of twinks and he is probably right about a few. It still has nothing to do with the OP and he has no goal except to cause a flame war.

In regards to the arena gear- it is the best "PVP" gear in the game. Not pve. That is how they set it up. If you want to talke about pvp, don't turn around and say "well, thats crap for pve!" - yes it is, and we arn't talking about pve are we? We are talking about someone in arena gear wtfpwning you in a battle ground because they have the arena gear and you have T4 - their stamina wins over your mana.


Plus... he never answered my question..... Once you do get OMG AWESOME gear, are you going to stop playing pvp at 70?

[AeroJonesy]

that made me chuckle. LOL. especially in the context of that sentence.

embarrass*****


still waiting to see that "epiced out lvl 60 mage" you were talking about....

ohh thats right, you quit playing it because you're in a bad guild that isn't even kara keyed. guess i would make a twink too if i was in a guild that bad.

Astross, consider this your warning. I don't know what your personal vendetta against Stigg is all about, but he seems fine on keeping it to PMs, and we don't need it flooding the forums.

[Azmodious]

I dont understand why people waste so much time whining about stuff when all that time and energy could instead be spent on making yourself a better player or enjoying other aspects of the game. If you hate twinks so much, go do something else haha. If you cant enjoy 19,29,etc BGs, then go lvl up or do quests. Dont want to lvl? Then go craft or something or start up an alt. Dont want to do that? Then go help a buddy or something. Dont want to do that? Then go play hello kitty island adventure. Me personally, I dont really twink my 19s out because I enjoy a challenge and that gold can be better spent elsewhere imo but who cares about twinks really? I mean come on lol, theres plenty of other things to do than cry about a few people who have that much time to spend on a lower lvl guy.

[Astross]

i was simply stating my opinion of twinks in a twink thread...

guess you guys can't handle my opinion, so i'm done posting in this thread.

/endrant

[PlayThemAll]

I'm one of those converted anti-twinks.

I'm currently making one of my own and just got my Clefthide Leg Armor. I hope it was not a wasted effort.

[Azmodious]

Well, if that is what they enjoy doing, it's their 15$/month and there's nothing you can do about it so might as well get over it and find something that you enjoy doing ; )

[semisonic9]

Getting back on topic, I'm concerned when you mentioned that none of this was in the Patch Notes.

Where did you find the information? IMO, if there's not significant opposition to this, it'll push through just fine. A possible side-effect of that would be discouraging new twink players.

I'm writing a 29 twink guide for Rogues, but I cover some stuff for all twinks. IMO, the motives for twinking include:



Players who want to be able to pvp all the time with one character

Players who don't enjoy 70v70 pvp. Maybe they don't want to invest the time/money, or maybe they just think Blizz fudged up the balance in end-game pvp.

Players who want to be part of a small, pretty close-knit community.

Players who seek challenge.




Most of the better twinks I know aren't there to kill lvl 20s over and over again. Sure, there's nothing stopping them, but neither is there anything stopping 4 lvl 70s from camping Hillsbrad for hours on end. Eventually, Blizz expects those players to just get bored and weed themselves out.

Good twink players go looking for other twinks or challenging situations. 2v1, 3v1. "Can I run the flag back around the 5 guys they've got in my way?" "Can I survive long enough vs these two other twinks to kill one of them?". "Can I manage to ambush and return this flag before the 8 guys he's with kick my a**?"

Twink players are usually trying to stave off boredom by maxing themselves out, whether it's spending forever farming fish for Free Action pots or trying to get that Lucky Fishing Hat or trying to red-line the damage meters, it ultimately boils down to guys working hard to be the best they can be within a given bracket.


I know there's always going to be anti-twink sentiment. Hopefully the BG matching thing will help some. I'd like to see brackets of Arena and possibly specialized gear, too, though that's probably a pipe-dream. IMO, the only people annoyed by twinks are the people who bring ill-geared characters into the lower brackets and get steamrolled. My only problem with THAT is if you bring ill-geared or leveled characters into ANY bracket, you're going to get steamrolled.

Bringing a regular character in greens to a any BG is like bringing a knife to a gun-fight. The solution isn't for Blizz to hold people's hands, the solution is for players to go get their own "guns" ("which incidentally keeps people playing and paying, Blizz!").

So, yeah, my problem with their "fix" is that it will do nothing to fix the issue (which shouldn't be fixed anyways) and creates a whole 'nother issue with people not being ever able to catch up to the existing twinks!

:ponder: :ponder: "GG, Blizz, GG..." :ponder: :ponder:

~Semi

[Azmodious]

""I know there's always going to be anti-twink sentiment. Hopefully the BG matching thing will help some. I'd like to see brackets of Arena and possibly specialized gear, too, though that's probably a pipe-dream. IMO, the only people annoyed by twinks are the people who bring ill-geared characters into the lower brackets and get steamrolled. My only problem with THAT is if you bring ill-geared or leveled characters into ANY bracket, you're going to get steamrolled.

Bringing a regular character in greens to a any BG is like bringing a knife to a gun-fight. The solution isn't for Blizz to hold people's hands, the solution is for players to go get their own "guns" ("which incidentally keeps people playing and paying, Blizz!"). ""

exactly

[semisonic9]

i was simply stating my opinion of twinks in a twink thread...

guess you guys can't handle my opinion, so i'm done posting in this thread.

/endrant


I like how even his "leaving" was self-defensive and passive aggressive.

"I was simply..." (sure, you're totally innocent, w/e dude)

followed by a

"guess you guys can't handle my..." (implying that somehow we were not up to his challenge/awesomeness/logic/whatever).

I'm nowhere near a psychologist, but this guy is pretty obviously "special", seems to have esteem issues.

I'm sure you'll continue to lurk, dude, from under the bridge where we rightfully banish all Trolls.

"GG", btw, "GG"...

[Stigg]

Back on topic...the guy that asked for a source:
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=97019956&sid=1

I also am an active member on a twink forum where just about everybody has PTR twinks....and its all they are discussing. I strongly recommend anybody that has a twink to copy them onto the PTR. Not only will you ge to know first hand what is going on, but you will get to meet some of your peers from all different battlegroups. I know when I was around it was one of the most entertaining times I had.

And its also cool to go through that link and look at all the poeple you know going for the same cause as you. (BTW - Fony, the guy I always talk abotu is on the last page atm)

[owlx]

astross,

please do the following:

1) Drop it
2) S
3) T
4) F
5) U

This is a thread discussing the upcoming twink changes. Some of us are interested in this information. If you would rather troll and flame, do it someplace else

[Tronis]

Ok as fair as the whole T4 gear vs. the arena gear thing. A lot of people are saying the arena gear sucks compared to the T4 gear in a pve setting. I will have to disagree and I say it depends on the class. Lets take hunters “b/c my main is one” the T4 shoulders has less stam, a bit more AP, but no agility! Ok let’s look at the arena shoulders a lot more stam, good AP and agility!!! Any hunter worth his salt will tell you the arena shoulder are better for our class. I like to PVP and raid and I don’t want to have 2 different sets when I PVE/PVP. I am looking at a mix with a 2 to 3 ratio with the T4 set and arena set. That way I get the best of both worlds at the same time. Also I will gear up much faster than the other players, so for me it a win/ win if I have both. I don’t know most of the other class arena/ PVE sets and this is just from a hunter point of view but all I am saying is not all T4 gear are better than the arena gear. I am still trying to find out were the T5 sets will drop. Blizzard has said T6 will be in the black temple so were is the T5… TE? Mt. Hyjal?

[Gorny]

astross,

please do the following:

1) Drop it
2) S
3) T
4) F
5) U

This is a thread discussing the upcoming twink changes. Some of us are interested in this information. If you would rather troll and flame, do it someplace else


If the trolling in this thread keeps up, three day temp bans will be handed out.


So stop now.

Instead of telling people to STFU in creative ways, why not try the report post feature hmmm?

[owlx]

I apologize. I let my frustration spill out on the forums.


I will gladly take a 3 day ban for my actions, I deserve it.


See ya'll on Monday. :lipsrsealed:

[Tronis]

I am sorry as well my post was way off topic.

[Stigg]

Its always much more entertaining to take it up in PMs anyway....

That fiasco is over now, let's keep this thread back on topic. If anybody does decide to make a PTR twink, let us know what is goin on so its not through 3 people's word of mouth.

[SwervinCL]

I think this will ultimatly be better for PVP.. It will put the "twinks" on an equal playing field. Which will be good. The nerf to the gear kind of sucks, but hey. We'll get over it and move on.. Find the next best thing and call it a day.

I made a twink because of tired of getting my butt handed to me by rogues. So yes, he was made out of pure frustration. I made a hunter whom is in the 29 group. I really dont even look at someone on the other team unless they are 29.. Anything lower I can kill without even flinching. I would love to go in a group where it is serious and people are actually serious about playing, not just in there to get the tokens... Ones that actually know how to play. Not just go into WSG and scatter. I would far rather go in there with a plan.

BTW.. I do have a 70... Just hit it last night. First one.. So now I will start end game.. WOW is really ultimatly all about gear. Why wouldnt you go into PVP with the best gear you can find? You wouldnt go into end game raids with anything less then the best you can get, would you?

[Tanitha]

From my limited understanding, twinks are some of the more creative players out there. You guys will find the maximum you can anyway, so it will be groovy again. Best of luck to all.

And where is Djiss? He's been INCREDIBLY quiet!

[Ray Domkrat]

OK... Now say i'm a newb (which i am a bit - no 70 chars mind you). And i just started playing WoW. And assume i am oh so happy to try to get me some BG action a read about. What do i get? All happy and flower sniffing? No, i get my own under handed to me by twinks.

It's easy to say - Go away newb. Learn to play and get some decent gear. What is hard is to get that load of gold you need to ever compete with professional twinks when you are just starting. It does even when you hit your 30's. But it's just sheer frustrating to play WSG nowadays being a lvl 18 wannabe shaman.

And yes, thank you, i know how to handle my shaman in PvP. Thanks for all those hard lessons. I learned them. Yet i'm from a rare stock of learners and not yellers.

I'd really prefer to see all rogue twinks burn in hell or have their own playground. Excuse me, if all my blabbering was totally offtopic.

[semisonic9]

And yes, thank you, i know how to handle my shaman in PvP. Thanks for all those hard lessons. I learned them. Yet i'm from a rare stock of learners and not yellers.

I'd really prefer to see all rogue twinks burn in hell or have their own playground. Excuse me, if all my blabbering was totally offtopic.

We twinks would really prefer people get a clue and gear up before entering low level PvP.

It's only a requirement for success in every form of pvp in the game...

Why should the lower levels be any different?

~Semi

[MistaGuy]

The only thing that worries me is the fact that this could stop anymore twinks from being made. Being on a server without much of a twink community, this leaves me pretty disappointed, because now it looks like Hakkar will probably never have much of one.

I really on lose one thing (Fishing Hat), but I think I'm willing to take that hit as long as it goes hand in hand with the exploited items being done away with. Twinking is a pretty cutthroat business, but I've never agreed with the idea of using an exploit to make yourself better.

[Lothoran]

We twinks would really prefer people get a clue and gear up before entering low level PvP.

It's only a requirement for success in every form of pvp in the game...

Why should the lower levels be any different?

~Semi

The guy said that he has just started playing WoW, and that he wants to do some BG's. But, he gets destroyed because he does not have resources to match up with the twinks, and you flame him? What is up with that?

[Stigg]

The guy said that he has just started playing WoW, and that he wants to do some BG's. But, he gets destroyed because he does not have resources to match up with the twinks, and you flame him? What is up with that?

I'd flame him just do to his wonderful vocab...but thats just me.

Lets attempt to keep this thread on topic. If you don't support twinks, go join the Twinks not Tactics thread. If you are supporting twinking, try not to jeopardize this thread by retaliating. Something big has hit us. We should attempt to stick together on this and ignore the uneducated.

[Lothoran]

I am pretty indifferent on the whole ordeal. I used to have a 29 rogue that was twinked; he is now 70. This was way back in the day too. He was one of three rogues on our server with dual +15 agi right after the enchant came out lol. Honestly, to each his/her own. We all pay to play, therefore, we should be able to play however we want. If you want to raid, then raid. If you want to twink, then twink. If you want to dance nekid on the IF AH bridge, then dance nekid on the IF AH bridge. =)

[Kooran]

On the weekend I made sure I put my clefthide on my trollbane and put the +100 hp enchant on my enduring cap.

Also did it for a friend, just making sure we have these before the next patch.

also to anyone who thinks twinking is easy its not, some of the things I have to do are as follows:

-go to all the areas i will need to at 28 (at 24 or so) to get teh area xp now, which will = death city (lots of times).

-get a boar from RFK at 24-25 (needs a mains help)

-get about 2k worth of enchants done (and get 2k)

-level enginerring up to as high as possible

-level first aid up to at least 225 or so, for runecloth bandages

-make sure that I hit 28 with no rested xp and have a main almost straight away to help me through about 30 or so quests in shimmering flats and stv and hope that I dont level to fast

-oh yeah and keep leveling.


It took me a few hours to research all the best gear and enchants I could so im not one of those "ive got a couple of blues im a twink".

Koortwink - (will be) 29 orc hunter on Blackrock, in the battlegroup bloodlust.

watch out :-)

[semisonic9]

The guy said that he has just started playing WoW, and that he wants to do some BG's. But, he gets destroyed because he does not have resources to match up with the twinks, and you flame him? What is up with that?

If you think that was a flame, you shouldn't be PvPing in WoW either. Far to sensitive, you'll just end up crying when some Rogue flattens you and /spits for a good 5 seconds.

That was simple truth, dude, I wasn't trying to be "mean". That tip is for all those who don't know any better.


@ Kooran,

yeah, it can be hard, but not TOO hard, imo. My twink is sitting at 29 and a half with the Racing Grips and Dungaroos.

A relative amount of the top rogue twink gear isn't from quests, though, I don't know how it is for hunters, but I think we share some pieces.

Right now I rock pvp reward sword (mh) and dagger (oh) in a combat build, for stats and poison procs.

Racing Grips, Dungarees, and Raptor Tunic where all quest pieces. If you go warsong boots > AB boots, I guess you need that quest too, but I'd take +movement speed and boot enchants over Warsong Boots any day.

The cloaks and shoulders are all drop pieces, but can be bought in the AH or farmed for on a main, they're BoE pieces.

Hell, even my rings and trinkets are mostly PvP reward gear. The AB trinket is essential, imo, though I'm undead and don't really use Insignia that much.

The trickiest pieces for a rogue are the helm, either a fishing hat, a pretty rare green, or engineering gear. Most people fish for that damned hat forever, unless you're a gnome and can make the NICE engineering helm (which I notice they didn't nerf either, leaving gnomes at a pretty nice advantage over horde twinks, imo!)


Oh, a tip for the Dungarees, if you ever twink a Rogue...just have a 65+ rogue mostly stealth you through it, till the boss. It's totally do-able with 2x distracts, and the rogue should be able to tank for you for the few parts you'll need it. I saved a TON of XP on those things doing it that way, pretty handy.

~Semi

[owlx]

Koortwink - (will be) 29 orc hunter on Blackrock, in the battlegroup bloodlust.

watch out :-)

horde hunters kinda get the shaft in the 29 bracket.........seeing as how alliance hunters can get the 35+ enchants on their 2hander. I am considering rerolling horde since all the alliance hunters seem to be leaving the 19 bracket to move to 29 to take advantage of the better enchants


I still say this change is an overall good thing. Sure I lose a few items. I saved all my old gear so I can just go back to that when the fix comes in. If anything, i think this could help the 19 twink community. It will make raising a twink much easier and more people will stick around if they know they are not that far off in gear from the rest of "uber-twinks." Of course that doens't mean they still won't get their tails kicked in............but at least it will silence some of the whiners.


I think 29 is where you will see the biggest gaps between the twinks and non-twinks.

[Kerosene]

figured i throw my 2c in here. as for the BG brackets based off of items... that just won't work. people will go in with green or no gear & item rack their epics on to get around it. if you make it so they can't change their gear in BGs, well you just ruined a huge aspect of pvp for some people who change gear based on situations they are about to face. if i'm going into a group maybe i want more +spell, if i'm in a 1on1 maybe more +sta... well i can't do that if i can't change gear, right?

now for the subjects on twinks. well it affects lower lvl twinks for sure, but not really my lvl 39 twink unless they take away spellthread on pants - which i can't imagine them doing, to be honest. i tried to do the shoulder exploit myself and i wasted quite a few dollars... i don't think the 1 item exploit will make that big of a difference in the end, but it would be good for them to take it out since it is an exploit. the biggest thing is the amount of TBC enchants i have compared to most others, even twinks, that i come across. for example, tons of people have +100 hp to chest, but not +150. when you see those types of gains across all of the enchantable items, thats a big difference! i think the gap between twinks & non-twinks is widest in 30-39 bg's myself.

one last thing: how about some people make some twinks in the ruin battlegroup? i need some competition already! i only know of like 3 or 4 others in the same battleground - and none are on my server!

[Kooran]

@ Kooran,

yeah, it can be hard, but not TOO hard, imo. My twink is sitting at 29 and a half with the Racing Grips and Dungaroos.




Maybe its different for rogues, they need the agi, but for a hunter i would much rather trollbane with clefthide or trolbane with the +ap leg enchant (cant remember the name) over the triprunner.

However before the expansion triprunner were by far the best 29 bracket twink pants.

[waltorly]

Mabey you already said this, but Im too lazy to read through 10 pages of twink bashing and counterbashing,... where did you get this information? I'd like the read the source if I could.

[Stigg]

Go check out the Suggestion Forums on the official forums.

[Xmcdaniel]

I also agree that the lower levels in this game house the best PvP. I had the most fun in the 49 brackets, because everyone could pwn it up pretty well by that level, have many of their talents, and pretty solid gear. IMO, the difference between "twink" and not isn't as harsh at that level either, and clothies are finally able to field some decent damage.

~Semi

This is my experience. The 49 bracket was by far the most fun and balanced battleground experience for me. Blizz should really look at the class balance created in that bracket and apply it to the highest level if they want to make it a fun game at level 70. I should note, though, that level 70 is a different animal due to the massive amount of gear progression that Blizz is compelled to offer to keep players at that level playing.

[semisonic9]

Stigg, I've been out of the loop, but I've heard they've reversed the decision on the armor/thread issues.

Which means all we lose is the Fishing hat, leaving alliance with a slight advantage in headgear. Not great, but not the end of the world. Hell, I beat better-geared twinks all the time anyways.

~Semi

[rottentomato]

semisonic....where did you get info on the reversal? as far as i knew they hadnt changed it...which would have been a huge disadvantage to any future twink and if they really are keeping it, it would keep the other change with the matching twinks with twinks viable still...if they took away the armor for legs, i can only imagine a TBC twink with clefthide vs one post patch in a 1 vs 1 situation...hardly fair IMO...

if you have a link, please post!

[Stigg]

Yea, where did you hear that from? AFAIK they still haven't changed it back.

Keep us updated tho!

[semisonic9]

Sorry, guys, just rumors from guildees. I never could find a supporting link, that's why I came here to ask Stigg if he had heard anything.

Looks like we're still getting boned, from what I can tell. Really sucks for me, too, since my account will be inactive for another month or so. Despite having the means, I had been focusing on getting other enchants and leveling engineering, so I won't have a chance to get clefthide yet (or netherhide, w/e).

~Semi

[retarded]

Go check out the Suggestion Forums on the official forums.

Well so far, no blue has posted anything in that topic on the suggestion and the PTR notes haven't said anything about the changes. So right now not believing the change till I get some solid info. It's like how they saying Mage sheep won't heal anymore, when it's been changed twice to make it heal cause both times it didn't mages were SUPER OP.

[cavenutz]

Leg enchants (LW and Tailoring) will no longer be able to be applied to legs. This is fine for current twinks....but this has truly decimated any twinks that will be made after the patch is released. I don't understand why anybody would make a twink (which is supposed to have the best gear) when they are no longer capable of getting the best gear...or getting anywhere near the ebst gear. IMO they should either take this 100% away (i.e. get rid of it from those that lready have it) or keep on letting it be available. Either way, I don't care. The couple hundred gold I spent on it isn't worth never seeing another twink be made.

they was twinks b4 bc so big deal/makes them cheaper

[prion]

WOW--can we please not necro 2 year old threads?

this information is no longer the slightest bit relevant.

Will some moderator please lock this thread so no one mistakes it for a relevant topic?