Well, that's the last time I run someone through.

[JPaterson]

I dropped Alchemy in favor of Tailoring, so I went into the Stockades to collect some cloth, and being 70, that's easy. I shouted over guild if anybody needed quests or wanted to go, and they could have everything but the cloth. So I took two with me.

We come out, and there's two people from a guild. As I run by, they call me over /say. I ask what they want, they asked if I could take them through Stockades. They were a hunter and mage. It's not the first time I've run random people through a dungeon, but it's certain the last.

Well, on the first green, a wand, they both rolled need. Hunter apologized, said he hit need instead of the X. Possible mistake, no problem.

Another green drops, an off-hand item that increased strength. Mage's turn to "need" and say "sorry, wrong button". Next green, a plate item (something with like +3 strength). Both need, both "sorry wrong button".

Well, yeah, bull. You don't "accidentally" miss a button three times in a row. I politely said "You know what? Finish it yourselves.", then dropped group and headed out.



From now on, unless I know the person, I'm not running anybody through any instances, and any and all tells asking such will be ignored. Not literally ignored, just not responded to.

So, has anything been done in-game that's made you decided to stop doing something?

[mesonm]

After the second 'need', I'd have hit the ML button and told them I hit the right button, and then would not let them have the next few pieces of loot.

[Tanitha]

So, has anything been done in-game that's made you decided to stop doing something?

Pretty much. Plenty of bottom feeders in the game who don't think further than that infamous seagull cry "Me me me me me"

[Twoflower]

i only rush people for fun, when i let them pick up EVERYTHING anyway. i normaly set the loot to free for all, kill away and laugh at the lowies who can not loot as fast as i can kill :)

other than tha, i dont rush people unless i know them.

[Fursphere]

I'm telling you, FREE FOR ALL and let the newbs fight over the loot.

What good is a lvl 20 green going to do for you anyway?

If you really want all the cloth loot, just solo the place.

[JPaterson]

It was on free-for-all. But the idiots wouldn't change the loot type, so it still rolled on greens. I just passed on all rolls, but they wouldn't change the loot type.

And after the third need I realized why.

[mesonm]

I'm telling you, FREE FOR ALL and let the newbs fight over the loot.

What good is a lvl 20 green going to do for you anyway?

If you really want all the cloth loot, just solo the place.

I take groups through SFK on my mage, and that is how it goes...I can clear the place rather fast, and it takes the lowbies MUCH longer to pick up the loot...ROFL

I have only rarely had to ask them not to walk ahead of me.

[Stigg]

Ive had that happen far too many times than I can remember. So what does a high level mage do? Round up a crap ton of mobs with rank 1 ae...bring them all back to where the group is standing, and Ice block. They all die, I come out of IB, kill them all off, loot what is there, and leave.

Get's my point across without me ahving to resort to profanities!

[mesonm]

Ive had that happen far too many times than I can remember. So what does a high level mage do? Round up a crap ton of mobs with rank 1 ae...bring them all back to where the group is standing, and Ice block. They all die, I come out of IB, kill them all off, loot what is there, and leave.

Get's my point across without me ahving to resort to profanities!

ROFL

But, I'm sure you are met with some, after you kill off the newbs....

[JPaterson]

Ive had that happen far too many times than I can remember. So what does a high level mage do? Round up a crap ton of mobs with rank 1 ae...bring them all back to where the group is standing, and Ice block. They all die, I come out of IB, kill them all off, loot what is there, and leave.

Get's my point across without me ahving to resort to profanities!

I can't do that as a priest. :sad: Even "Fade" doesn't drop all aggro on that low level.

[Twoflower]

we mages also have nice invisibility now :) bye bye lowies :P

but i would not do that, i m not into "revenge". Bad karma :) i rather just tell them why i wanna leave and then leave.

[det]

I dropped Alchemy in favor of Tailoring, so I went into the Stockades to collect some cloth, and being 70, that's easy. I shouted over guild if anybody needed quests or wanted to go, and they could have everything but the cloth. So I took two with me.

We come out, and there's two people from a guild. As I run by, they call me over /say. I ask what they want, they asked if I could take them through Stockades.

Hm..so you had two guldies and two others with you? I am a bit confused? And if you were only after cloth..did it really matter they roll need?

Annoying indeed, but hardly stuff to never run anybody through an instance. Just my personal feeling ofc...

[JPaterson]

Hm..so you had two guldies and two others with you? I am a bit confused? And if you were only after cloth..did it really matter they roll need?

Annoying indeed, but hardly stuff to never run anybody through an instance. Just my personal feeling ofc...

I think you've misunderstood.

The first time I went through, I took two guildmates with me. They kept everything but the cloth. So it was three people; myself and the two guildies.

As I was leaving the instance, two people, from a guild different than mine, asked if I could run them through. I still needed a bit more cloth, so I said sure. And those are the two that the post was about.

[det]

Ah ok..so it was more bad behaviour by them --- as you really only needed cloth?

[SlyHilgen]

Haha...I do the same thing with vanish if the group angers me. Pop evasion and tag everything I can...vanish. Only had to do it twice though.

[Fursphere]

On a random run through HFC, my ground had the tank go AFK, after he lost a roll on something to another player. He didn't openly ***** about it, but just went AFK...

So, the group wait, and waits, then finally decides he's not coming back. I mentioned "should we kill this jerk?", and the rogue did just want you said. Pulled a mob to the afk warrior, then vanished (I was hearthing out as I watched). The warrior got killed, nice 10% durability hit. :)

[JPaterson]

I do the same thing, and then add that player to my "list". I keep a running list using an addon of people who are whiners, or just terrible players, and won't group with them again. I don't use the ignore feature, because they may sell something one day, or want to buy something off me.

You (not you) lost a roll. Big deal. Go back and run it again with another group. World of Warcraft's a timesink for a reason.

[Meiou]

a simple
"Excuse Me, Do you mind if I have the <name> Please" would of been nice of them >.<
I'm not even ingame til tommrow and I'd never take or roll on somthing without asking first!
You was been nice enough to help them so it's only right they ask for the drop if they do NEED it

[Tigiw]

If all you were worried about was the cloth.. what does it matter to you what loot system the 2 newbs use?

[Meiou]

If all you were worried about was the cloth.. what does it matter to you what loot system the 2 newbs use?

The point is that he was doing it out of kindness and they took advantage

[Tigiw]

Advantage of what? He all ready said he was not there for the green items only for the cloth..

[Tanitha]

Advantage of somebody being kind and running them through an instance. Read through the thread.

1. He had already done his cloth run and gotten everything he wanted.
2. On the way out, he was asked to run these two through (second run)
3. On that run he was effectively ninjad by people taking advantage of his generosity

He might have wanted those items for his new alt, or for leveling up enchanting or for any one of half a hundred reasons. It doesn't really matter what he wanted it for, or even if he wanted it. They were in the wrong there by repeatedly rolling need and saying "Oops, wrong button! Sorry!"

[Tigiw]

I think you've misunderstood.

The first time I went through, I took two guildmates with me. They kept everything but the cloth. So it was three people; myself and the two guildies.

As I was leaving the instance two people, from a guild different than mine, asked if I could run them through. I still needed a bit more cloth, so I said sure. And those are the two that the post was about.


Some people are just looking for a reason to complain..

[cyradis2003]

a simple
"Excuse Me, Do you mind if I have the <name> Please" would of been nice of them >.<
I'm not even ingame til tommrow and I'd never take or roll on somthing without asking first!
You was been nice enough to help them so it's only right they ask for the drop if they do NEED it


Since you haven't started yet let me offer a small piece of advice. When you are playing in a group you have just as much right to roll GREED as anyone in the group. You are doing your share you deserve your share. NEED is another issue. If something nice drops while you are grouped you can discuss which of you needs it more or you can both roll greed aor both roll need. No one should ever be mad at you for rolling greed though. If they really want an item they should have needed.

(this of course is unless you agreed to some wacky rules at the beginning like "all pass on Bind on Pickup" or something)

[Tanitha]

Some people are just looking for a reason to complain..

Okay, so he needed some more cloth. Is that a good reason for the other players to ninja loot out from under him?

[Tigiw]

One last try.. ninja what?? He did not want anything but the cloth.

[Tanitha]

One last try.. ninja what?? He did not want anything but the cloth.

For fear of explaining the obvious here. JPatterson posts that he was unhappy with some players needing on several low level items that had dropped. That indicates to me that he had at least a passing interest in the items, for whatever reason.

But even if he had no real interest in them, the other two players were taking advantage of someone and purposefully needing everything. That just doesn't seem like very friendly behavior, especially as a high level player was doing them a favour by helping them complete an instance run.

I'm really struggling to see what you're basing your defense of their actions on. Does the fact that he was interested primarily in cloth somehow preclude him from being allowed an interest in anything else? Does that allow them to roll need for everything and exclude him from any drops? Would you do that?

[Xmcdaniel]

One last try.. ninja what?? He did not want anything but the cloth.

That was my question too...it's him, and two noobs. He just wants the cloth...they can't ninja that because it's not a green. Who cares if two noobs from the same guild need on all the lowbie greens? I would just laugh and move on.

[Meiou]

Since you haven't started yet let me offer a small piece of advice. When you are playing in a group you have just as much right to roll GREED as anyone in the group. You are doing your share you deserve your share. NEED is another issue. If something nice drops while you are grouped you can discuss which of you needs it more or you can both roll greed aor both roll need. No one should ever be mad at you for rolling greed though. If they really want an item they should have needed.

(this of course is unless you agreed to some wacky rules at the beginning like "all pass on Bind on Pickup" or something)

But they wasn't in a group.... He was just taking them through the area so they didn't actualy put anything in.

[Summoned]

Similar thing happened to me. I believe I was on my level 60 druid (pre-BC), just walking by the deadmines and looking for someone to help. So I ended up being invited into this vc group with people who were clearly underleveled (14-17s). The group leader (one of the 14s) was stubbornly set on keeping it ML... and giving almost everything to himself. So I asked him to put it on group loot when the others started to get agitated. He said no, and I just left. I felt bad for the other 3 people, but I just did not like that kind of atmosphere.

Edit: The way I see it, if the OP had continued the run it would have been almost like an encouragement for that kind of behavior. I think we have enough hunters who don't know that Ravager is 99% useless and 1% vanity...

[cyradis2003]

But they wasn't in a group.... He was just taking them through the area so they didn't actualy put anything in.

Technically they were grouped together but you are right, they were probably not doing anything besides looting.

My little advice was just for you when you start playing so that you don't get taken advantage of. When you are playing with other people you have an equal right to all the loot that drops. If you need something you should roll need, on everything else you should roll greed. Don't let misguided noble sentiments cause you to give up what you are working just as hard as they are for.

Now, when I say you have the right to these objects I don't mean that you should get them all of course, and I don't mean you should roll need on things that you can't use. If you roll a mage and you are playing with a warrior you should expect he will roll need on upgrades to his mail armor, shields and pokey stabby bonk on the head weapons that have strength, agility or stamina on them. You will roll need on upgrades to your cloth armor, wands and pokey bonk on the head weapons with intellect, stamina, spirit and +spell damage on them. If cloth armor that is not as nice as yours drops you can roll greed. You can both roll greed on leather stuff since neither of you needs it really. If mail armor drops with intellect on it you can roll greed because warriors don't need that.

You said above that you would not roll on things you don't need but rolling greed is perfectly acceptable and is a great way to make cash and to outfit your alt characters. Oh ... never roll need for an alt. If you have a little hunter and some pretty bow drops you can roll greed and if you lose you can offer to trade or buy the item for your alt but needing items for other toons is bad manners.

[mesonm]

He said no, and I just left. I felt bad for the other 3 people, but I just did not like that kind of atmosphere.


You could have taken the other members into your own party, leaving the former leader by himself....

:grin:

[SlyHilgen]

OT: Every time I see the topic of this thread, I can't help but think of the original meaning of "run someone through." As in, applying pressure to a sword or other blade in a manner significant enough to pass completely through the body.

I guess you could try to entice them into the STV arena to accomplish this :)