Hunts have a chance against druids?

[tWoWG]

can you explain to me how huntz should win against druids?
i mean what spells would be useful etc.
ive seen many druid hunt duels and it always seems like the hunter has no chance. theyre both high lvls. So what should huntz do against druids? hunt=bm druid=balance

[Amurko]

For my 59 hunter, druids are definitely my hardest matchup.. even more so than warlocks. Keep in mind that most tend to spec feral..

Cat druids, with their increased outdoor speed talent, is like having a rogue with a weaker but perpetual crippling poison applied to you.

Bears can charge at you every 15 seconds after you spent all that effort to get out of melee range.

And on top of all that, they can switch between both forms AND shift out to heal. I played a druid as a main before the recent nerf and hunters were easily cake.. and they still are.

I usually don't find scare beast that useful unless my scatter shot and trap are on cooldown and I'm fairly desperate. And since it breaks easily when they take damage, I'd use it to buy time and bandage instead of getting an aimed shot off.

[tWoWG]

so...
it sounds like hunters are VERY weak against casters? one of the unfair things is that druids can still cast spells even they are in beast form. Maybe they cannot cast all spells but still a few deadly ones. Another point is that they have a "mana spell" that restores very FAST mana and even if theyre mana runs out they just have to wait 5 seconds and they can heal again.
I dont know much about both classes but i guess its best to stun the druid as often as possible. Do you think it would be better if the hunter goes into melee and leaves his bow a few sec? I mean both are high lvl and the hunter has at least mail armor. The hunter is BM so his pet is the thing he counts on i guess, right? but i dont feel like the pet can do anything useful in the duel because the druid stuns it or just ignores it.
There must be at least one tac that should help huntz right?
or are huntz rly damned to lose except their some progamer who dont know what losing is :P

[Hagar the Horrible]

bear and cat can be feared

once they shift out of form, scatter or frosttrap followed by the usual combo (aimed, multi, arcane)

if they don't shift, same as above without the scatter/frosttrap.

if they root you and close range, scatter them, usual combo (but be quick)

H.

[moopy]

so...
it sounds like hunters are VERY weak against casters?
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There must be at least one tac that should help huntz right?
or are huntz rly damned to lose except their some progamer who dont know what losing is :P

In the nicest possible way.. what are you on? :) (I hope you brought enough for the whole class too!)

Silencing shot/scatter shot/ice trap, then burst damage FTW (just an example, for MM hunters). Maybe if you only know how to autoshoot, then you have a problem, but otherwise, hunters of any spec have plenty of tools. It does depend on them actually having the first clue about the class that they're fighting, watching cast bars and using their own skills in a smart manner. However, a well-geared and skillful hunter of any spec is really quite a handful for any class in PvP.

Some classes put up a better fight than others, of course. Feral druids can be a fun battle if they are decent players- but it's delusional to claim the automatic right of pwnage for STORNG DURIDs- it simply isn't true. I guess the basic rule is that clever/slick players of any class are more interesting/challenging than pre-pubescant ROFLstompers anyway.

Crummy hunters are cake for almost anyone- my enhancement shammy rips bad hunters to bits in seconds. This, however, proves very little- enhancement shammies are totally broken for PvP, and against skilled players of any other class/spec, you're dead meat in a fair fight. A halfway decent hunter can take down an enhancement shammy without losing a single point of health, in fact. There's a plateau of basic nastiness reached by utterly hopeless BM hunters- they are dangerous by default even without knowing what they're doing, and can win a fight every two minutes. However, a good hunter of any spec is a total nightmare for any class.

It's a lot more skill-dependant than stunlocking someone and going *stabstabstabstab* or charging in and spamming big damage, sure. You're dancing about on the edge of cooldowns, keeping people out of your deadzone and trying to ruin their day by denying them any respite. It's a lot more than just spamming some special attacks when the hunter needs to kill someone with a little survivability.

Given that half the player base will be on the left hand side of the distribution curve of ability, this means a lot of hunters will actually be "below average" by some definitions, and thus seem easy. However, wise players have learned the hard way that they can really be insanely hard to fight when controlled by a player with a pulse :)

[Aerath]

Sounds like someone doesn't know how to play to be honest.

With three different types of crowd control against druids, hunters (which would be the proper spelling) have an easier time than most when fighting them.

What would be a good start would be to actually look at what druids can do. Instead of just talking non-sense (spells in feral form ? no wai) maybe you'd learn something about how to take 'em down.

[moopy]

To my shame, I always forget to fear beast when fighting druids. However, Aerath is right, hunters are mean to druids if they know what's good for them. They have the tools for really ruining the day of ferals, who like to be in melee range- they're all about keeping people out of the eight yard zone.

If anything, Doomkin druids are more of a menace to hunters, spamming those pesky wrath pew-pew-laz0rz for horrific amounts of damage. They have a surprising amount of armor for casters, too.

(That said, there's still the matter of the pet, silencing shot and other things..)

[Aerath]

Pets can be slept though, but I personally like having them around. Growling a pet gets you out of traps - or the hunter just left it on Defensive, meaning it'll just break traps on its own.

As to fear... *shrug* It's annoying, but every druid will have to learn how to deal with it. You meet so many opponents with it (hunter/warrior/priest/warlock/engineers) that it's just impossible to do anything if you don't know how to cope with it.

[moopy]

Well, maybe I should get around to remembering to fear druids in beast form some day, I am sure druids are wondering why I don't.

I am odd though, I leave my pet on passive at all times, even in BGs. I like to decide when it attacks, as charge stun is very situational. A druid tried to sleep piggy yesterday; I thought it was charming as it actually gave me time to aimed shot (more fool him from not rooting me and doing it in the dead zone, I suppose). That last 3.5k crit ended things rather swiftly.

Druids are definately one of the more fun fights though, as when you approach one in caster form, you have no idea which spec you're dealing with, and what they'll turn into..

[Aerath]

Because fear is fairly short range ? Because fear has a cast time ? Because fear can be resisted or broken out of ? Because fear on a baer durid just means you get off one more shot before it's back on you ?

It's useful, but wouldn't rank too high on my priority list to be honest :)

[Hagar the Horrible]

Because fear is fairly short range ? Because fear has a cast time ? Because fear can be resisted or broken out of ? Because fear on a baer durid just means you get off one more shot before it's back on you ?

It's useful, but wouldn't rank too high on my priority list to be honest :)

level 2 fear fear's up to 20 seconds, more than enough to unleash hell on the druid.

does he break out of fear by shifting into casterform?

scatter + frost trap = dead druid (less damage mitigation in caster form)

It's not always as clean as I describe it here (mostly not :laugh: ) but it does help a lot against druids.

H.

[moopy]

I will claim those as my reasons, and deny that it's because I am being all blonde about it.

No, the reason is much more prosaic. I get far too excited by the mighty pew pew power, just just focus on getting range so I can drop the hammer again. Ice trap/scatter/concussive shot work really well, and once I get range, I can drop the BIG BAD BAER really quickly. So I sort of get caught up in the excitement of the moment and forget to even try.

It's worth doing, as most players aren't completely cool, calm and collected, and a lot of them are thrown by being feared, so I should really try to remember to do it. However, since the only players that hunters can fear are druids in some sort of beast form, it usually doesn't even occur to me /blush

[Hagar the Horrible]

Yeah, you are right, I mostly use fear to help me get out of a sticky situation (or to annoy our guild druid :p), mostly scatter + FT is enough.

FYI shamans in ghostwolf form can be feared too.

H.

[murderousmic]

Scare beast is another awesome cc tool that we can only use against Druids. I love using it 'look at me! I'm a warlock!.'

Most druids can be brought down relatively easy by a decent hunter. Still, every once in a while you will fight a druid who is leet and counters every single thing you do. Those can be very difficult to bring down.

[moopy]

Most druids can be brought down relatively easy by a decent hunter. Still, every once in a while you will fight a druid who is leet and counters every single thing you do. Those can be very difficult to bring down.

..and I wish there were more of them, as it makes for a very stimulating fight.

[Aerath]

Most decent Druids won't fight Hunters.

Simple reason, they see 'em from a mile away and just don't bother :wink:

[shifttusk]

For me it all deps on the druids skill level.

Feral:
Dummy Druid - I'll literaly be able to use serpent sting wing clip and concussive shot only to kill them
Good - I can win 75% of the time by kiting and alternating trap/scatter every 15secs when they charge me (usualy druids cat in then go to bear on me)

Moonkin:
Dummy - I get hit by a starfire or wrath then kill the druid
Good - Generaly silence/scatter and FD just win me this fight at like 30% hp left

Resto:
I walk away this just takes too long.

[Fenris Ulf]

For me it all deps on the druids skill level.

Feral:
Dummy Druid - I'll literaly be able to use serpent sting wing clip and concussive shot only to kill them
Good - I can win 75% of the time by kiting and alternating trap/scatter every 15secs when they charge me (usualy druids cat in then go to bear on me)

Moonkin:
Dummy - I get hit by a starfire or wrath then kill the druid
Good - Generaly silence/scatter and FD just win me this fight at like 30% hp left

Resto:
I walk away this just takes too long.

Wing clip and other slows are dispelled by shapeshifting. A good druid should usally shift more than once, cat then bear?!? Try to refrain from a broad generalization like 75% I can win against a good player...this stuff gets old and it no way adds to the OPs understanding of the fight. PvP isn't rock paper scissors (good ol' rock, rock always wins).

Now from a druid perspective, the hunter that doesn't manage his/her pet well is much much much easier to kill. Make sure we don't use your pet against you!!! Even for a nub like me, if your pet breaks your cc when I already have combo points, you may not live to see your next trap. I'm taking into account your scatter shot too.

Personally I don't bother with hunters unless I can get the jump on them, they've got too much cc and their burst damage is usually quite deadly.

[Amurko]

Scare beast is another awesome cc tool that we can only use against Druids. I love using it 'look at me! I'm a warlock!.'

Most druids can be brought down relatively easy by a decent hunter. Still, every once in a while you will fight a druid who is leet and counters every single thing you do. Those can be very difficult to bring down.

What I've found is that a noob druid usually will get beat by a noob hunter but a skilled druid usually takes down a skilled hunter. And scare beast is overrated.. they should be seeing it with the enemy casting bar thing and shift out, briefly tossing a HOT or moonfire along the way before shifting back to cat/bear.

[Aerath]

It's a lot more skill-dependant than stunlocking someone and going *stabstabstabstab* or charging in and spamming big damage, sure.

Sidenote, I'd rank a full stunlock as one of the most difficult things to execute in World of Warcraft with current gear level vs Health. It requires a lot of timing and stringing moves together to not run into energy problems and extensive use of cooldowns.
Not that it matters as you probably won't get to experience one more than once a year.

[moopy]

Sidenote, I'd rank a full stunlock as one of the most difficult things to execute in World of Warcraft with current gear level vs Health. It requires a lot of timing and stringing moves together to not run into energy problems and extensive use of cooldowns.
Not that it matters as you probably won't get to experience one more than once a year.

A full stunlock, sure. However, most people give up trying to fight back at about 40% health, and any idiot with a borrowed castsequence macro can pull that off. Lots of hunters who should know better just don't fight break out of this stuff when they should/could.

[Seeo]

Well, AFAIK, pretty much all classes/specs have a "counter-class/spec" ... meaning, that class is simply made to have the "edge".

An MM/SV Hunters Counterclass is a Moonkin Druid IMO... They can sleep our pets, root us, and moonfire spam us till we curl up and die.

Of course we can scatter, but if were still sitting in a pile of roots, it won't do us any good.

A good Moonkin Druid, that knows the hunter's deadzone, is ALMOST undefeatable.

[TehDarkrunner]

so...
It sounds like hunters are VERY weak against casters?

Uhhh no. My main is a 60 shadow priest, and I don't even try against hunters. I PW:S and run.

Hunters are ridiculous at PvP. Actually they're ridiculous at PvE/leveling/grinding as well.

[waltorly]

Arcane/Fire mages are the nastiest in a 1v1 situation.

4 second silence - if they get the sheep off, you'll get hit with 2 AP Pyros and a Fireblast all a the same time... that hurts... a lot.