Warlock vs Hunter

[Hollenhexer]

Lets me put a scenario down. Can a level 30 Orc Warlock defeat a level 30 Night Elf Hunter?

[IRPander]

Lets me put a scenario down. Can a level 30 Orc Warlock defeat a level 30 Night Elf Hunter?

What about specs?

[Findariel]

It's going to be hard!

Before lvl40+ there's no instant fears, and hunters can have a longer range than your spells, you wear cloth - the hunter wears leather, your spells get interrupted by the hunters pet - the hunters shots are instant ..

In the BGs, my lock feared hunters most, there's hardly a way to defeat them 1 on 1.

[Hollenhexer]

What about specs?
Ok forget level 30 and lets go for tops, level 70 both classes. Both have all their points in only one talent tree. The Orc Warlock has all his points in Demonology, while the NE Hunter has all his points in Marksmanship. Reason being is my friend and I plan to go head to head, once we both reach the level of 70. Thats a long road, but I like to plan ahead. Is there anyway the Warlock can defeat the Hunter?

[DevilDare]

again its gonna be hard, if u fear hunter u will have his pet on u dealting some decent dmg and when fear stops what the hunter does turns back and starts firing u with his arrows/bullets. Unless u are fear noob and gonna hve him feared all the time and draining life with some curses on him. Well but still thats what the classes do. :)

I dont know really as i am lvl 30 myself in Hilsbrad and around u can see millions of undead warlocks running around i allways gank them without trouble but then their pally blood elf comes and there is massive fight and i always loose by about 30 health xD

[lula]

Yes. after lvl 40 i can easy kill most or Hunters with no problem
before 40 hunters was a pain, after that they start to become more easy, rebember hunters can only break u fear/seduce one time with a trinket, they cant remove any of u DoTs and they cant kite u AND u pet, so always go to melee range no matter what, put a Curse of Weakness on the pet and he will do small to no damage, if u have the Nightfall tanlent, put corruption and syphon life on the pet too, that will almost make a free sbolt to u

[Innovindill]

Unless u are fear noob and gonna hve him feared all the time and draining life with some curses on him.

Hows is that being a noob?

I'm a level 68 BM/Surv Hunter and sometimes I cant kill Warlocks sometimes I do. When I meet a Warlock I use BW straight away then Intimidate so they cant fear me and use spells for the next 3 secs. After 3 secs they can try and fear me all they want as I'm ammune for fear for about 12 secs I think. Also i place a frost trap to trap there pet aswell for 20 secs. So its only there curses and spells that hitting me.

That may not help a lot but thats something that a BM Hunter can do.

Inno

[malphisto]

Yes. after lvl 40 i can easy kill most or Hunters with no problem
before 40 hunters was a pain, after that they start to become more easy, rebember hunters can only break u fear/seduce one time with a trinket, they cant remove any of u DoTs and they cant kite u AND u pet, so always go to melee range no matter what, put a Curse of Weakness on the pet and he will do small to no damage, if u have the Nightfall tanlent, put corruption and syphon life on the pet too, that will almost make a free sbolt to u

lula, I am not going to make an assumption as to your skill, level, or spec. What I will say is this:

This is comming from a MM hunter. No I am not 70 yet. Currently I am at 64 but I have played this game since launch (school has taken most of my time now) but I do not raid at all. Pre-BC I was on the honor grind (BG) and I spent a REALLY long time at 60. PvP is all I do and I can tell you with all honesty that I do not loose to locks AT ALL. especially as a MM hunter. You may be able to say the same thing about hunters because you may be that good but most locks will not be able to say that. I take out 70s regularly. It really all comes down to skill. But if you want to look at the way to 2 classes match up, hunters will have the advantage.

just my 2 cents

*Edit:
O yeah 1 more thing. Hunter trinket doesnt break fear. If you are talking about the insignia of ally/or horde equal

[xDarkDrifterx]

Later levels - silence then fire away then conc / trap fire away - dead lock - which after they die I may too if they got enough's DOT's on me but not normally. =)

Although, pre-silence I had issues with Locks

00/46/15 MM Hunter

[lula]

Well at 70 my demo lock has 11k hp unbuffed, i can tell u that hunter was the most hard class i had as a lock even pre-bc, what i did? watched alot of movies from warcraftmovies.com(i recommend watching the foredoomed 4 and drakedog 5), MM hunters dont give me any trouble at all, BM in other hand i need to use pot+healthstone and probably sac a void for the shield but even if they kill me they die in a few secs cuz of the DoTs, but the one who wins the fight is usually who gets the jump, if i DC the hunter i can get on melee range and he will be with 3 dots and a felguard in the ass, and if they get the jump that red pet will eat me alive

[Rex Normal]

I'd say it'll be an even match as far as classes go. It will depend a little on gear and each of your specs, but overall I'd say the player who knows the most about BOTH classes in a 1v1 situation will win. I can beat my guild hunter in a duel every time, without using fear but that's because I know he's beast mastery and if I take his pet out first, he's nothing once I get in his deadzone. Other hunters that I come up against, I win some I loose some, usually they are very close matches.

[Hollenhexer]

Same question as before except if I were to put all talent points into one tree, which would be best for taking down a Marksmanship specced Hunter? Would it still be Demonology or one of the other 2. Corruption or Destruction?

[Exalted Warlock]

Ok forget level 30 and lets go for tops, level 70 both classes. Both have all their points in only one talent tree. The Orc Warlock has all his points in Demonology, while the NE Hunter has all his points in Marksmanship. Reason being is my friend and I plan to go head to head, once we both reach the level of 70. Thats a long road, but I like to plan ahead. Is there anyway the Warlock can defeat the Hunter?

A MM Hunter, level 70 vs. a DEMO Warlock, level 70, of about even skill?

The Hunter will mow down the Warlock in no time flat.
And this is coming from a guy who only has experience mainly in Warlocks.
But when I see what the 70 MM's can do, I shudder in the thought of taking them on in PVP. A lesson in humility and frustration, that would be...me thinks.

[Hollenhexer]

A MM Hunter, level 70 vs. a DEMO Warlock, level 70, of about even skill?

The Hunter will mow down the Warlock in no time flat.
And this is coming from a guy who only has experience mainly in Warlocks.
But when I see what the 70 MM's can do, I shudder in the thought of taking them on in PVP. A lesson in humility and frustration, that would be...me thinks.
Well if this guy who got banned is right. Which would be better to use, Corruption or Destruction?

[Qqwi]

So many people claim to be be experts (which im not) but how about some one even thinks about ... Terrain

In the middle of the Field of Strife in AV ? in the Flag room of WSG ?

Edit : not to mention what pet has the lock got out ?!?

[Toxicshadow]

First to the OP:
Twinked warlocks of the 39th level will WASTE hunters of the same one.
Any time but that, hunters are designed specifically for taking out casters - tons of instant attacks all slowing down casting, impossible to kite, and can go immune to fear, snares, roots, and everything else you'd keep your distance with - so your best chance would be to use all your instant spells, then sacrifice your voidwalker and try to nuke him down before he gets through your shield.

The odds are against you, but if both you and the hunter are poorly geared it'll hurt you less, and it'll come down to skill.

You can always give it a try, in the third stable slot, dump it if you don't like it. I am assuming you mean the cliff below the graveyard at each end of WSG? Or something else? Pets can travel up and surprisingly steep surfaces anyway, though I can't say I have ever felt the urge to try and get a pet up there.. I generally just tab target and shoot through the ground.

(Of course, you could be referring to some other spot)
Ding 50.
Pet starts growing. Hunter starts flushing. Smart Warlocks start running.
At that point his pet will be doing plenty of damage to keep you from doing much anything.

Also i place a frost trap to trap there pet aswell for 20 secs. So its only there curses and spells that hitting me.
Freezing Trap, as I'm sure you meant, rarely lasts very long against Demonology Warlocks. At least I've never been able to keep a felguard trapped for more than a few seconds.. dunno if they get a dispel or it's a bug in the heartbeat resistance..

Not that they got much of a chance anyway, around lvl 60.

So many people claim to be be experts (which im not) but how about some one even thinks about ... Terrain

In the middle of the Field of Strife in AV ? in the Flag room of WSG ?
Honestly terrainial disadvantage aren't hard to migitate with some advance skill at kiting. Sure, it'll still cost the hunter a few secs of Deadzoning, but if he got a big slow 2-h it wont hurt his DPS all that much to do a wing clip and go on in the other direction.

Hills and such can only be used to the advantage of the hunter, as hunters got the most range and both classes got powerful pets.

You do raise a good point on the pet, though. The Imp doesn't get nearly the credit it should, but it's the only way for a warlock to take out a powerful Fury Warrior that I've seen, and the voidwalker sacrifice is simply brilliant to avoid interruption.

[Qqwi]

i was actually talking about inside the FR, Dot dot run round, dot dot, jump down, dot dot, speed buff, ambush on the path, deathcoil if ur bored and perma fear, or dot dot back in, hunter only gonna get instants off and take full dot damage, u gonna be out of los almost whole fight.

if a lock lost a fight in here Vs a hunter the voidwalker should be sacrificing the lock :)

[Toxicshadow]

i was actually talking about inside the FR, Dot dot run round, dot dot, jump down, dot dot, speed buff, ambush on the path, deathcoil if ur bored and perma fear, or dot dot back in, hunter only gonna get instants off and take full dot damage, u gonna be out of los almost whole fight.
Not a bad theory, even used it a few times on the PTR last summer playing as a noob warlock against noob hunters all on premade characters.

But. On the real servers with real characters.. doesn't work. Or at least I've never seen it work. I suppose it might work against MM and Surv hunters, assuming they don't start with their crowd control stuff, but against a BM..
Yeah, he wont be able to get off a whole lotta auto shots (although ½ second is supprisingly easy to catch with some practice), but add instants, auto attack, and most importantly the pet to this, then knock a fair bit off your DoT damage thanks to spirit bond, and he'll usually have time to sit down and eat before dots kill him. At least I haven't lost a 1v1 against a warlock since The Beast Within no matter the settings.

Though I suppose.. if you manage to scare off the cat and BW is on cooldown it'll actually be an even fight.

[Justinledwards]

Well... in the few hundred locks i've encountered in BG, I've had probably a dozen one-on-ones, I am MM spec. I get them 9/10 times - but then half the time am dead afterwards anyway, unless I sit down to eat straight away.

They tend to worry about the pet too much. While I am feared, they attack the pet... I don't really care... when I am unfeared I unwind with a serpent sting, concuss, arcane, multi, scatter, run back, arcane, multi....