Do not Duel the Horde!

[johnmacd]

The other night I was in Thousand needles when someone dropped a duel flag on me. I said, what the heck, and dueled. Well, out of now where 6 horde players ?? level came out of nowhere and beat me to death. I had thought you couldnt die in a duel? I found my body and they killed me again. This happened several times. Then I see a message on general chat saying "Do NOT duel the Horde they will kill you".

I'm a NE on a PVE server.

I also took a lot of damage to my armor and had to repair.

So I guess I found out the hard way not to accept a duel from the opposite faction.

[Stigg]

If you were flagged anybody can attack you at anytime.

[johnmacd]

How long does this last? Even after I lost the duel, Horde was able to still kill me for what seemed to be a long time.

[Stigg]

You can't attack another player (or assist a flagged player) for 5 minutes.

Assuming you are on PVE. A great tactic a lot of people use is dueling somebody and during the mad rush of swinging blades and shooting arrows, they type /forfeit. This causes the duel to be over (and you to untarget them), but you in your bloodthirsty killing mind-set will retarget them and seal your fate with a single blow.

It's a blast to do....especially when you go to the Darkmoon Faire when it is in the starting zone of the opposite faction.

[Foonyak]

The only reason to accept a duel is if the person offering is of the same faction that you are. Otherwise, there are plenty of places that you can PvP, even on a PvE realm, and expect to have your butt handed to you.

IIRC, if you were involved in PvP, your flag stays up for five minutes after the last time you participated in PvP. I'm not 100% sure, but if you were fighting back the entire time after you got jumped, you may have been pushing your 5 minute time limit back.

[satineeftw]

I trick horde into PvP. I have a macro for it.

I'm an evil alliance priestess Nelf

Horde hates me lol

[satineeftw]

This is the macro

/pvp
/forfeit

they won't notice you pvp or forfeit so they will hit you or curse you, whatever and in turn it will make them PvP. and than they get hit. I don't do it to lowbies really. Just when I'm feeling extra evil.

[johnmacd]

actually after my 2nd death, I went and hid for a while until they went away. lol

I guess I learned the hard way to look to see who you are accepting a duel from.

[Tanitha]

Note though that PvP damage will not currently result in durability loss on your equipment. Only when you die through falling / mob damage / etc.

[KollegeGurl]

You can't attack another player (or assist a flagged player) for 5 minutes.

Assuming you are on PVE. A great tactic a lot of people use is dueling somebody and during the mad rush of swinging blades and shooting arrows, they type /forfeit. This causes the duel to be over (and you to untarget them), but you in your bloodthirsty killing mind-set will retarget them and seal your fate with a single blow.

It's a blast to do....especially when you go to the Darkmoon Faire when it is in the starting zone of the opposite faction.

Bad bad stigg! You just gave me a new idea lol

[johnmacd]

This is the macro

/pvp
/forfeit

they won't notice you pvp or forfeit so they will hit you or curse you, whatever and in turn it will make them PvP. and than they get hit. I don't do it to lowbies really. Just when I'm feeling extra evil.

I dont get it, what does forfeiting actually do? I thought that once you say OK to the duel, you can be attacked by anyone on the opposite faction.

[Stigg]

Note though that PvP damage will not currently result in durability loss on your equipment.

It will....over a long time...definatley not from what was described in the OP's thread tho.

I dont get it, what does forfeiting actually do? I thought that once you say OK to the duel, you can be attacked by anyone on the opposite faction.

Nope, if you are in a duel you are not flagged for PVP (remember this is all assuming you are NOT on a PVP server or in a friendly zone)

ONCE the duel is over, if you get attacked or they attack you (Once again depending on zone and PVP flagging restrictions) then you will become flagged.

So typing /forfeit prematurely ends the duel, but most players take a second for that to register, and by that time have already attacked you again, flagging themselves for PVP.

[Stigg]

double posting idiot.

[Tanitha]

Wait. I understood all durability losses were negated in PvP? Including the 10% penalty on death. Is that not the case?

[Stigg]

10% is not in PVP. But you will lose durability from getting swung on in a similar fashion to you losing durability from a monster hitting you. The difference is...you mostly PVE, so when you see something red after an hour of grinding its most likely due to you dying or falling off of a cliff while you were running between points. If you don't die once, you will return after an hour and have a slight repair bill.

Similarily, if you spend an hour in a BG, you will exit with a slight repair bill as well. the biggest difference is, there is no chance of you losing 10%...unless you fall. Random encounters may lower your durability on one or two items by 1 point...somehting that is hardly noticeable, especially if you aren't at 100% durability to begin with.

Which is why a lot of the time you will see hardcore PVP'ers fishing in Org while they await their BG's to pop. That small silver they make from fishing might cover their repair bill for the last WSG.

[Ottorfnam]

This is the macro

/pvp
/forfeit

they won't notice you pvp or forfeit so they will hit you or curse you, whatever and in turn it will make them PvP. and than they get hit. I don't do it to lowbies really. Just when I'm feeling extra evil.

Tell me more about this macro and how it works and such. Sounds awesome.

[Tanitha]

:laugh: Can I just giggle quietly in the corner? For fear of sounding a bit like a bad kcma recording, but if you guys want to PvP so badly that you'll grief / trick other PvE players into it - why don't you just re-roll PvP and join in the real fun?

[KollegeGurl]

:laugh: Can I just giggle quietly in the corner? For fear of sounding a bit like a bad kcma recording, but if you guys want to PvP so badly that you'll grief / trick other PvE players into it - why don't you just re-roll PvP and join in the real fun?

too much work put into my character already *shrugs* maybe later on i will

[MysticMoonstone]

That macro sounds wonderfully evil.

How do i use it? I'm quite new and always die when the opposite faction hit me in a PVP.

Do give details.. i'm hungrily interested... muahahahahahahaa

[kall]

If you always die while in pvp, tricking someone into pvping you wouldn't really be the wisest course of action, no?

[MysticMoonstone]

oh i thought you did something to get out of pvp then blast them and kill em. Cuz that would be cool. LOL

[moopy]

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they won't notice you pvp or forfeit so they will hit you or curse you, whatever and in turn it will make them PvP. and than they get hit. I don't do it to lowbies really. Just when I'm feeling extra evil.

*clapclapclap*

That's naughty, very impressed :)

[SlyHilgen]

Note though that PvP damage will not currently result in durability loss on your equipment. Only when you die through falling / mob damage / etc.

This reminds me of the other night in Halaa. I watched a poor Orc Warrior get MC'd off the cliffs...not once...not twice or even 3 times...but 4 times in a row. I was laughing so hard I couldn't even fight.

But yes, most of the time when the opposing faction invites you to a duel, they are baiting you to flag up. Before accepting the challenge, make sure nobody else is around from the faction, and always be alert during the fight if you don't want to flag yourself.

One other very funny thing is to do this in one of the goblin towns and watch the guards have their way with your victim after you trick them into flagging :grin:

[Katrala]

The 10% item durability loss -

Let's say that you are attacked by a member of the opposing faction and, during the course of the fight, are attacked by a mob. Do you lose 10% item durability if the mob gets the killing blow? Or is it completely dependant on who gets the first hit in? Or who does more damage?

What about someone who MC's someone else off a cliff? Do you lose durability then, since it was another player who forced you off the cliff?

[satineeftw]

sorry it took so long to reply. I still love you all

so here is how I did it with the macro

Just create a new macro, in the space to type in the commands just do exactly this

/pvp (than type enter)
/forfeit

Thats it. thats the whole macro, now when it looks like they are just wacking at you or are about to caste a spell, just hit the macro and they will hit you and pvp. It's great.

[moopy]

The 10% item durability loss -

Let's say that you are attacked by a member of the opposing faction and, during the course of the fight, are attacked by a mob. Do you lose 10% item durability if the mob gets the killing blow? Or is it completely dependant on who gets the first hit in? Or who does more damage?

It's the actual cause of death. I have used this a few times when an idiot horde warrior has been bothering Ashenvale- I DPSsed him down to near death, and then kited him close to the guards, so they could finish him off. Track humanoids on so I could see when he rezzed, rinse and repeat. He kept coming back for a while, getting more and more frustrated (actually charging me, rather than trying to not be noticed *giggle*). After the death count was 7-0 in my favour, he hearthed- I can only assume because his gear was pretty much destroyed.

[satineeftw]

OMG Moopy that is an excellent Idea

[Ntrails]

The other night I was in Thousand needles when someone dropped a duel flag on me.

You were simply lucky that you were not mind controlled and thrown from atop the needles.....

Ouch, and there goes 25% to everything

[irogue]

sorry it took so long to reply. I still love you all

so here is how I did it with the macro

Just create a new macro, in the space to type in the commands just do exactly this

/pvp (than type enter)
/forfeit

Thats it. thats the whole macro, now when it looks like they are just wacking at you or are about to caste a spell, just hit the macro and they will hit you and pvp. It's great.

I am on a PVE server and was minding my own business in Felwood the other day. After finished a quest, I, level 54 rogue, was next to a NPC and tried to turn in that quest. A level 53 undead priest was jumping around me and doing those chicken sound things. Right after I click on the NPC, the undead priest suddenly “feared” me and I ran around and around like crazy. I tried to vanish after the “fear” but it failed. I figured he must put some damage over time on me. I noticed my health was like 2/3 to 3/4 left. Then, one more spell from him, I was dead and watched him eating my corpse.

Are you saying that he used the /PVP then /forfeit right next to me?

Personally, I kind of don’t understand why people would do this. Was he like 12 years old? Even my level was close to that priest and he felt great to gank me. Is it fair? I was not ready at all. I could not go stealth and stun him. All I had were fear, death and got eaten. It is a PVE server. If people want to do PVP, go to PVP server. There is a reason why people are on PVE and not PVP.

[satineeftw]

I am on a PVE server and was minding my own business in Felwood the other day. After finished a quest, I, level 54 rogue, was next to a NPC and tried to turn in that quest. A level 53 undead priest was jumping around me and doing those chicken sound things. Right after I click on the NPC, the undead priest suddenly “feared” me and I ran around and around like crazy. I tried to vanish after the “fear” but it failed. I figured he must put some damage over time on me. I noticed my health was like 2/3 to 3/4 left. Then, one more spell from him, I was dead and watched him eating my corpse.

Are you saying that he used the /PVP then /forfeit right next to me?

Personally, I kind of don’t understand why people would do this. Was he like 12 years old? Even my level was close to that priest and he felt great to gank me. Is it fair? I was not ready at all. I could not go stealth and stun him. All I had were fear, death and got eaten. It is a PVE server. If people want to do PVP, go to PVP server. There is a reason why people are on PVE and not PVP.

You have to accept a duel from him for this to work. I never ever accept duels from the opposing faction. this is most likely what their motive is. That was mean that he did it wile you were turning in a quest. What a jerk. I would have called on my guild for that one :laughing:

[IRPander]

Lawl, reminds me of the time I was on the boat going to ratchet and i dueled a shammy and was pvp enabled and it went to hell from there. I let him kill me, then when the boat came around I killed him on the boat so he couldn't rez then and as the loading screen went away, I still had rage and he couldn't do anything with his totems so i pummeled him again and casually waited for him to rez only to repeat. It was kinda fun.


He really shouldn't have spat on me.

[irogue]

You have to accept a duel from him for this to work. I never ever accept duels from the opposing faction. this is most likely what their motive is. That was mean that he did it wile you were turning in a quest. What a jerk. I would have called on my guild for that one :laughing:

Thanks for the reply. It is good to know that macro you suggested and I will use it on him the next time I see him. :smiley:

[satineeftw]

Thanks for the reply. It is good to know that macro you suggested and I will use it on him the next time I see him. :smiley:

No problem. I don't use it out of sheet enjoyment (thats a secondary effect :shocked: ) I do it when they disrespect me lols. Don't mess with a fiesty shadow priest or he may not like what he gets! :devil: I usually /greet, /wave, /kiss whatever lol and if i get spit on it's all over :evil:

[moopy]

OMG Moopy that is an excellent Idea

Not as evil as yours, but I try.

I am normally such a carebear, it's just my brother's lowbie lock was trying to quest in the area, and it was making things tough for him. All I can say is that it certainly worked :)

(Moral: Do not mess with a small, harmless dwarf hunter that looks like someone's grandma)

[Justinledwards]

He was probably flagged for PvP and you clicked on him accidentally rather than the quest giver, thus flagging yourself and giving him the chance to gank you. I've done this myself handing in a quest at stormspire, clicking on a flagged guy. I ended up having to finish him off. that auto-attack on hunters doesnt help

[Dhoum]

I think it's worth pointing out that the Alliance are every bit as unpleasant with regard to tricks like this as Horde are. Sadly we only usually see the poor behaviour of the other side, and only rarely our own.

I've met some very nice Alliance folks, and even co-operated short-term with them but I've also met some (quite a lot actually) really nasty griefers too.

[satineeftw]

I think it's worth pointing out that the Alliance are every bit as unpleasant with regard to tricks like this as Horde are. Sadly we only usually see the poor behaviour of the other side, and only rarely our own.

I've met some very nice Alliance folks, and even co-operated short-term with them but I've also met some (quite a lot actually) really nasty griefers too.

I'm an evil sweet girl :laughing: I go and raid Xroads and than go help some lowbie taurens lvl lol :wink2:

[Dhoum]

Oh don't get me started on Crossroads attacks! I don't know how it is on other servers but on Euro Burning Blade, the Crossroads is almost constantly populated by a group of Horde toughs duelling each other, how they find the time to level is a mystery to me. When a lone Alliance member turns up and starts taking the guards down, these muppets just carry on duelling each other and ignore the Gnome in their midst! Now I'm lousy at PVP (don't ask why I'm on a PVP server ... long story) but even I can get a stun to land on an attacking character, if everyone could take a short break from "massaging" their egos and do the same, I suspect the Crossroads would lose its status as "most easily raided".

Umm, sorry, I appear to have gone off on a bit of a rant ... apologies.

[Toxicshadow]

Oh don't get me started on Crossroads attacks! I don't know how it is on other servers but on Euro Burning Blade, the Crossroads is almost constantly populated by a group of Horde toughs duelling each other, how they find the time to level is a mystery to me. When a lone Alliance member turns up and starts taking the guards down, these muppets just carry on duelling each other and ignore the Gnome in their midst!
Just a thought..

These duellers were around.. what.. lvl 40, yeah?
And the gnome could've, for all you know, have been a lvl 70?

If I'm correct in my assumptions, he could've killed them a lot easier than you kill critters, anything below lvl 57 is like a lvl 1 gnome attacking Hogger - you'll need 40 well-trained raiders with a graveyard nearby to even stand a chance.

[Dhoum]

Well I was level 40 too as it happened and, yes, the Gnome was probably 70 or thereabouts. Regardless of that I managed to land a stun on him several times (the graveyard is very close to the Crossroads), I maintain that a group of mid-level players can take out a high level if they really want to ... I know we managed to do it to a gank-happy Dwarf Hunter in Hillsbrad, he didn't know what hit him!

[gamebase]

lol.it is funny i think

[Wayne K]

I have only had one duel with a member of the other faction, I was playing my Undead lock and I was at SM, there I met this druid who I didn't kill because...well I guess I was feeling nice. Anyways after seeing him for a few hours he challenges me to a duel, I am already flagged as I been kill other alliance, so I except the duel goes easy for me(I am lvl 40 he is 32) but at the end of the duel my succubus decides to kill him anyways, I sort of felt bad,so I waited for him to rez then I /sorry /beg /bow . :(

[JaTal]

Well I was level 40 too as it happened and, yes, the Gnome was probably 70 or thereabouts. Regardless of that I managed to land a stun on him several times (the graveyard is very close to the Crossroads), I maintain that a group of mid-level players can take out a high level if they really want to ... I know we managed to do it to a gank-happy Dwarf Hunter in Hillsbrad, he didn't know what hit him!

Only if you have a large group. As a 70 mage, I have no issue defending Crossroads against a group of 5 40-60 level characters solo.

[Kugan]

Only if you have a large group. As a 70 mage, I have no issue defending Crossroads against a group of 5 40-60 level characters solo.

Agree. A level 40 hardly touches my health. Even if he/she did, 10k is a bit hard to bring down… especially if I hurt melee fighters (a lot) more with each of their swings than they do me (as a paladin). Don’t think even a raid will stand much of a chance, but I have yet to try that (level 40 raids don’t happen that often :)).

So… why die against a level 70 when you can continue what you are doing (practising to fight against people your own level). The guy raiding Crossroads isn’t giving you any trouble (unless you are questing, which the people described in the post was not doing).

[Toxicshadow]

Agree. A level 40 hardly touches my health. Even if he/she did, 10k is a bit hard to bring down… especially if I hurt melee fighters (a lot) more with each of their swings than they do me (as a paladin). Don’t think even a raid will stand much of a chance, but I have yet to try that (level 40 raids don’t happen that often :)).
40 level 40s will be able to run back from GY before you've killed all of them, so until they start getting timers on their resurections you can't regenerate any health, if they then also got a group of healers with a "/assist [target=focus], /cast heal" macros they'll actually be able to bruise you up pretty well.
Then you ress and kill them all, while spamming /laugh, /bow, and /clap.

[Dhoum]

*shrug* frankly I couldn't give a monkey's ... it'll be a cold day in hell before I let an Alliance of any level attack Horde in front of me without stepping in. Say what you like, getting stunned while guards are beating on you does not make for a pleasant experience, no matter how trivial the person that stunned you.

[Woodlander]

Defeating a 70 with midlevels depends a lot on how that 70 is geared as well, a 70 with a few quest greens might be manageable, that guy with General or Field Marshal rank and the full Gladiator set...not so much. I recall questing with some guildies in the Hinterlands in front of the Horde base. Here we were, 4 hunters gathering our quest bottles and killing every horde that peeked its nose out. We knew we were pushing our luck and that sooner or later someone was going to get on their main or call a friend over. Sure enough right when we are leaving, this 70 Troll warrior shows up, dismounts and we were fighting for our lives. Being so close to the GY we managed to kill him with suicide raids and tried to get away, but he caught up and mopped the floor with us (we were all 45-50 as I recall). Later on were about to go get our hammer of ZulFarrek made when we rin into the same Warr with a couple of mid 40s BE pallys. We just kept /sorry and basiclly kissing his tail until they went inside. The whole thing turned into a big laugh, with a guildie making lots of /flirt and /lick on the female BE. So, long story short, it can be done, but it aint easy.

[Xmcdaniel]

It's the actual cause of death. I have used this a few times when an idiot horde warrior has been bothering Ashenvale- I DPSsed him down to near death, and then kited him close to the guards, so they could finish him off. Track humanoids on so I could see when he rezzed, rinse and repeat. He kept coming back for a while, getting more and more frustrated (actually charging me, rather than trying to not be noticed *giggle*). After the death count was 7-0 in my favour, he hearthed- I can only assume because his gear was pretty much destroyed.

A simple demonstration...and very funny to boot:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJPjiq-Hklo

[tanquette]

He was probably flagged for PvP and you clicked on him accidentally rather than the quest giver, thus flagging yourself and giving him the chance to gank you. I've done this myself handing in a quest at stormspire, clicking on a flagged guy. I ended up having to finish him off. that auto-attack on hunters doesnt help

This happened to me as a little gnome warlock handing in a quest in gadgetzan when a troll with flag on stood in front of the mithril order guy. I wasn't paying attention so I was really surprised when I hauled off and smacked the troll with my staff. Then there's a net on me and the bruisers finished me off; I thought it was pretty funny though.

[Jadesung]

Tanitha that is not true... you suffer minimal armor damage if you die in pvp. but it is still inflicted. try it sometime. go into WSG or AB rigth after you repair... do several games... then after u have played them for a little while go somewhere to repair, you will have to pay a small amount of money but you will still have to pay to get your armor back to 100%...
i have a 29 twink rogue... i repair just about everyday.
Jade

[Toxicshadow]

Tanitha that is not true... you suffer minimal armor damage if you die in pvp. but it is still inflicted. try it sometime. go into WSG or AB rigth after you repair... do several games... then after u have played them for a little while go somewhere to repair, you will have to pay a small amount of money but you will still have to pay to get your armor back to 100%...
i have a 29 twink rogue... i repair just about everyday.
Jade
Yes, because there's no way your armor could be getting hurt by being smacked at with a hammer all day!

Every time you take dmg, your armor takes dmg.
Every time you do dmg, your weapon takes dmg.

Simple as that, I've had times where my bow would be at 50% durability while the rest of my gear was still at 95% and my axe was at 99% (hunter, btw).
Comes standard in just about any MMO. That equipment then takes extra dmg from dying in WoW is what makes it special. Indirect loss of money rather than the usual dropping a %age of your gold or loosing a bunch of exp.