Karazhan with 2 Healers?

[liquidicem]

Can you get through Kara with only 2 main healers? My group makeup would be:

MT: Prot Warrior
OT: Prot Pally
Healers: Resto Druid, Holy Pally
DPS: Fire Mage, Shadow Priest, Combat Rogue, Survival Hunter, Demo Lock
Other: 1 Open spot based on who is on that week

I'm trying to secure a Feral Druid for the other spot. That would leave me with 2 dedicated healers and up to 4 healers on 1 tank bosses if needed. I'd like a dedicated 3rd healer (Holy Priest or Resto Shammy, but I dont have that option right now).

What do you think? DPS, Hybrid, or Healer for the 3 spot? Can we do it with just 2 main healers?

[Magikhat]

You can probably down attumen but you will have trouble after that.

Also you will have trouble with moroes because of your lack of shackles.

Personally I would want another priest in there wether it be shadow or whatever just for the extra shackle.

[Valshenna]

Having at least three forms of crowd control available for undead is really nice in Karazhan, and especially for Moroes. The order of preference being Shackle (priest), Ice (hunter), and Fear (pally). Shackle is easily the best of the three, but the other two can work as well. You can get away with less, but your tanks will have to tank multiple mobs, and it will put greater strain on your healers.

As for the healing, having 2 dedicated main healers and a couple of hybrids as backup when needed should be more than enough. For trash, 2 healer specced healers should be plenty, but on a few of the bossfights you might need either your Shadow Priest or the Feral Druid (if you get it for the last slot) to go healer at times. The encounters in Karazhan were designed so that you probably don't want everyone only doing a single role for every fight. Hence the need for hybrids :wink:

[DraedynLei]

As for the healing, having 2 dedicated main healers and a couple of hybrids as backup when needed should be more than enough. For trash, 2 healer specced healers should be plenty, but on a few of the bossfights you might need either your Shadow Priest or the Feral Druid (if you get it for the last slot) to go healer at times. The encounters in Karazhan were designed so that you probably don't want everyone only doing a single role for every fight. Hence the need for hybrids :wink:

This is the setup my guild is currently using if that helps at all. Two primary healers for the two tanks is usually enough.

[Regrets]

I used 3 primary healers, @ mana intensive fights like prince & nightbane, 3 healers are like just nice. & I only use one setup thruout kara, so I think its better to have AT LEAST 2 primary & 1 hybrid healer.. thats the bare minimum

[WatcherZero]

People are forgetting that they are just starting off, so presumably they arent as geared as regular runners and an extra healer will be a neccessity in the beginning.

I too reccomend holy priest as you A: dont have one and B: up till curator shackles are very usefull for CC, and usefull after that. Dont listen to people that say you need umpteen numbers of shackles for moroes but the fewer you have the drastically more healing you need.

[Twoflower]

we killed the prince that night whit 9 people, 2 healers, since our paladin got disconected right at the pull and could not get into the game anymore.

We farm the place for a month though, so we are a bit equipped allready. Anyway, if you can kill the prince whit 2 healers, i dont see why you could not clear kara completely whit only 2 healers.

maybee netherspite will be a prob cause of the debuff.

[liquidicem]

Just to clarify, we are not just starting. We have cleared through Curator. We are just going to be losing a priest that filled that 10th spot in the past so I am trying to figure out how to adjust the raid.

I would have no problem filling a healer into that spot if I can find one but more dps would be nice if we can get away with it.

[Telmar]

we killed the prince that night whit 9 people, 2 healers, since our paladin got disconected right at the pull and could not get into the game anymore.

We farm the place for a month though, so we are a bit equipped allready. Anyway, if you can kill the prince whit 2 healers, i dont see why you could not clear kara completely whit only 2 healers.

maybee netherspite will be a prob cause of the debuff.

I'd argue that healing Nightbane with only two healers would be REALLY hard. We have a very much geared out group, and managed to take him from 50% with only two healers left alive last time but it was really really shakey with the tank using all of his cooldowns to stay alive at points.

[Steamboat]

DPS: Survival Hunter, Demo Lock


lol.

There are survival hunters? and demo locks that raid?

[icutyoubad]

My guild rolls with 1 main tank (warrior), 1 off tank (warrior), 2 main healers (preists), 1 off healer (paladin or resto druid) and 5 heavy DPS. (rogue, 2 mages, 2 locks, 1 hunter). Both of our locks are Demo--I'm one of them :) And both of us are always 1 and 2 on the DPS charts. He's usually ahead of me, but he's been raiding Kara longer.

[earindur]

demo locks that raid?

and your point being?

i was demo for ages and still topped the DPS report.

OP

make sure you have 3 crowd control classes up until maiden. after than you will need 2. a shadow priest shackle and a hunter icetrap should be sufficient.

2 healers will make it considerably harder.

[Twoflower]

yesterday we killed the curator and aran whit only 2 healers. We only did it on curator after we switched the new tank who still needs alot of gear for our old tank whit 4 parts T4, though. The new tank was eating away too much healer mana.

Still, i think Aran and prince whit 2 healers is quite good. Nightbane may be hard aswell, but possible. Netherspite is impossible though, i think, cause of the debuff.

[Spennce]

I think it depends on the gear and skill of the 2 healers.

[rgirty]

It reminds me of the shadow priest as MH for 5 mans argument.

IT can be done, but you need high dps and a great tank. I think the same applies here.

That being said, we are going to try attunemen/moroes very soon with only two healers, one being a paladin. Maybe we can get a boomkin to stack hots, but thats about it.

[boffski]

yup i agree it basically comes down to the peoples gear...skills..spec

at first you will probably need to be prot tank mt and plenty of healing power..

say you got stuck on morose for eg you can just take in 2 priests and 1 shadow for the 3 shackles or even go 4 priests and just dps down the boss..
but once you get geared up you can actually dps down the 4 adds and then dps down the boss...just comes down to gear really..

one thing to think about when making gps there.. your only 10 men..so have prot spec's = 1 less dps'er same with healers .

which is why hibred healers are nice... a nice hibred pewpew or elemental shammy mMMM :)

a feral druid tanking for eg does dps while tanking where as a full prot spec doesnt come close really..so can actually make the fight more difficult if you have to have a full prot warrior as the fight takes longer..same again if you have to take too much healing.

my guilds always taken the approach of ..nuke...hmm ok that didnt work...k lets nuke harder...and then you generally can avoid alot of the complicated tactics you used to initially down something..


or ofc just take a paladin....mumblemumblemumble :(

[Cheesor]

It's all relative. Groups first venturing into Kara definitely need 3 healers. One for each tank and a spot healer as people get used to how to avoid damage. With a skilled, well geared tank, the healing becomes much easier, and a hybrid class can spend more time dpsing rather than healing. I have found that focusing on healing too much leads to "man we almost had him" whereas focusing on harder faster dps results in "damn that was easy".

[lofta]

No fight requires 4 healers. 3 max, mostly 2. At least 1 healing priest. Good geared shadow priest is awesome for vampiric embrace and vampiric touch.

[xaoxen]

You can probably down attumen but you will have trouble after that.

Also you will have trouble with moroes because of your lack of shackles.

Personally I would want another priest in there wether it be shadow or whatever just for the extra shackle.

they got enough CC for moroes, my last run through moroes was done with 0 priests and 2 hunters. you are going to want a 3rd healer to help with the garrotes.

[lofta]

Netherspite is doable with 3 healers. Just have one of the free tanks take the green beam until the debuff wears off for the next healer.

[Telmar]

Or put a rogue in it... It reduces the energy cost of our specials ;)

[maxeyy]

i would take that group but have a assassination cross sub rouge just the fact they can get faster combo's and get crit bonus on backstab and ambush

as for healers you might want to have 3 healers or someone that can att and heal

[Summoned]

Nice setup, IMO. For some fights you only need 2 healers, for others you need 3-4, and you have enough backup healers. Another shackle on moroes may help, but your pally tank should be able to keep two of them on him easily between holy shield, consecrate, and exorcism.

[wesje]

Our usual setup

1 protwarrior
1 tankdruid
1 lock
1 spriest
1 hpriest
1 hunter
1 mage
1 eleshaman
1 holypala
1 restodruid


no rogues! pewpew

[Shadowss]

my guild does kara with 3 healers some bosses need 4 to do it.

[amgyn]

2 dedicated healers + 2 classes that -can- heal is perfect.

[Valshenna]

Two dedicated healers with a feral druid in the melee group and a shadow priest in the caster group :grin: