farming...how much gold / hr... really???

[unbdm]

how much gold per hour is a realistic goal while farming? I know many do it on the AH, and that is certainly related, but I just want to talk about farming rate, not AH, not professions. Of course class, build, and equipment factor in very heavily, but what's a good reference? Also, I'm on a PvP server, and have a fair amount of trouble at the good grinding spots.

Without an XP bar it's hard to rate grinding efficiency (grinding = farming in this case).

At Wizard row farming motes-of-mana, I may get 50 or so / hr (have not really timed it, and my gut feel is this is optimistic), that equetes to 5 primal mana, at 15 g each (AH price), so 75G. I'll have another 15g worth of greys, and a green or two that will vendor for 3g each (I don't de). But I lose a couple of gold in waters and repairs. So I'm guessing 90g / hr.. which surly sucks compared to what these guids claim.

i'm going to try some other grinding spots soon, but I think that is the best one that I can have fairly consistant sucess at.

Thanks,
Barry

[rgirty]

100g is a benchmark rate. A lot depends on gear really.

Wizard row with my wife's mage, 70 motes of mana in an hour is norm. Not counting greys/greens thats 7x15= 105g in an hour. Primal mana sell for 17 or 18 on my realm tho.

[Stigg]

If I am farming, I can pull in a good solid 150g /hr out in Netherstrom off those Belfs. Selling the Sunfury Signets, getting greens to DE for arcane dust, and a massive amount of Netherweave and greys.

The problem with farming those elementals is that they have such a limited drop table. So, besides the mana, youa re looking at grey items which sell for like 1.5g per stack of 20 and primal manas, with an unbelievably limited green drop rate.

Humanoids on the other hand, always drop silver, a good cahnce to drop multiple cloth (5g per stack of Netherweave on my AH), Sunfury Signets drops often (1g per), and grey items every 5-10 or so (1-2g vendored), not to mention the greens.

[DraedynLei]

I usually get greens and the occasional blue off those elementals at wizard row. My typical rate is 8/hr. 6 is really horrible though but sometimes the motes just aren't falling or there are two many people and I'm running around trying to find an untagged mob. The belfs are good as well. I can usually get a 3-4 tomes/hr as well as all the other drops. But the price of netherweave cloth has dropped on my server by a ton.

[Stigg]

Oh yes, I forgot about the tomes. 1 tome = 15G on Kellogs.

I farmed 103 motes of mana last night in exactly an hour. I was incredibly happy!

[SLUGFly]

Do the motes usually sell as fast as clothes do? Or is it something that you either have to ridiculously undercut or relist and relist and relist?

[rgirty]

100 motes in an hour... hmm!

I'm not going to say your nose is growing but thats a lot of motes.

Titan panel will show you your gold/hr and gold per session.

[Stigg]

The problem with primal mana is they are SO easy to farm. I have undercut on the AH with them by 2g and they were never bought.

But, I havent tried that much, I needed about 80 primal manas for my gear, so most of them went into my bank :/

[DrOsmius]

I did Fire elementals, and if I there was only 1-2 others there, I would come close to 100-120g/hr (I'd also snag some herbs). Primal Fire always seems to sell, and it sells for more than mana.

Now that I have my epic mount, I just herb. At the right times for 15-20min sessions, it easily garners 3-5g per minute, though over long times it is more like 2g/min.

Gonna go try those Belfs for kicks one day...

[DraedynLei]

100 motes in an hour... hmm!

I'm not going to say your nose is growing but thats a lot of motes.

Titan panel will show you your gold/hr and gold per session.

Nope, he's not lying. I've hit 100 twice in an hour. It's totally possible for a mage to do this with enough spell damage. Not sure about other classes. On average the mobs are two or three shotted. Also you just gotta be extremely lucky on drops obviously.

I generally just horde the primals until the price goes back up to 20g and sell them 5 at a time for 19.5g. Don't gimp yourself by listing 20 primals all at once when everyone else is listing them for 15g. I don't need the gold immediately so it's worth waiting to make 33% more profit.

[rubberdubbie]

Where is Wizard Row?

[DraedynLei]

Where is Wizard Row?

South east Netherstorm.

[Stigg]

100 motes in an hour... hmm!

I'm not going to say your nose is growing but thats a lot of motes.

Titan panel will show you your gold/hr and gold per session.

Haha not at all, I don't know where you farm, but directly north of A52 there is this crevice that you can run around. If you are the only one farming there, you will never NOT have a thing to kill. I'm not saying that 103 is my norm, its usually about 8 primal or so, but thats how many I got. I remember because I got home and was like, eh I should go farm for my Scryer exalted leg spellthread, and invites for kara were going out in exactly an hour.

[Aswer]

North of A52 is very good indeed. As for an answer, as a mage I find 100g/hr to be the bare minimum I can make, while watching TV and browsing on my second monitor. If I get down to it seriously, I've made 160-170g/hr over 3 or 4 hour stretches. My equipment is tailoring set (spellfire and spellstrike), couple of kara and gruul epics, and some blues from the 70 dungeons, with all of the gems and enchants. Nothing too difficult to obtain.

I'd say any class at 70 and at least blue equipment from the TBC dungeons should be able to pull 100ish. Dunno about holy priests, resto druids, and prot warriors, though.

[Magikhat]

I can mine 100g per hour on average.

[unbdm]

sounds like I'm just not killing as many as you all do... I guess I'll attribute a lot of that to my dmg gear being only around +350 dmg; although I realize there could be technique issues, but I'm getting pretty refined now, I've basically funded leveling tailering off this place. I do get killed by horde some, even with the gy being very close, that really slows down grind rate.

Stigg, If I DE'd I might be give more weight to the drop rate for greens, but since I don't DE, it doesn't matter much. I used to do the BEs more, maybe I'll try that again soon, i don't like pulling more than one of them at a time though, or I'll end up blowing half a bar of mana, which means I have to drink sooner (my toon is a priest, with spirit tap, so as you know, avoiding up drinking .

I'm going to try fire elemetals at elemental platoe soon, I think they are lv 70, and hit way harder, but I want to check drop rate. After I finish my healing gear, and heal for a while, I'm going to make dmg set of gear.

Thanks,
Barry

[DrOsmius]

Fire elementals in Shadowmoon Valley...I think those on the elemental plateau have lower drop rates...and they do take some time to get down (respawn rates, pathings, earth elem avoidance, not being in lava, etc).

[Magikhat]

Most definitley DE the greens.

[Syynn]

Im a rogue and with a Sub build and since Im already geared up to the nose with whatever gear I need I just farm a certain chest that will remain to be unamed so prices on my server or the other servers will go down plus all the farming rogues know wich one im talking about

I go in with Prep and MoD I do my 5 runs wich there is a chest available Id say about 90% of the time and it only takes me less than 30 minutes to do this farming I make about 100g-600g with just 5 runs.

When the Chest is there it is a guaranteed 6-7g alone in the chest,a Green item or better(15g-300g) depending on the item you manage to snatch up),sometimes Healing pots(10g-12gper stack) and Mana pots(15g-17gper stack),Plus sometimes a green(1g-2g) or Blue Gem(40g-60g)

Very profitable for less than 30 minutes of work and on top of that the most I spend on repair bills if I die is about 2 silver so I make plenty to make up for the repairs.Also another thing I like to do while Im waiting for my Vanish and or prep to come of Cooldown I just pick pocket my way to the chest, That way we dont have any unproductive wasted time sitting around doing nothing.

Pick Pocketing Nets you some nice stackable greys to sell. Plus a lot of those junk boxes thats another easy gold....atleast on my server anyhow I sell my Blinding Powder on the AH for 4g-5g per stack on the AH....dont know why the hell its selling.Plus when you pop those boxes thats more chances for health pots to sell.

The best run Ive ever gotten on one of these adventures of mine has been 3kg all 5 runs the chest was there 1 chest had that Don Santo rifle I sold for 2k and that chest also had a Nights Eye in it that sold for about 50g and another chest had a Noble Topaz and that 2 handed Axe that Hunters love the name slips my mind right now...plus a nice couple stacks of Health and mana pots.

Yea I know it keeps me from doing Instances but I can get by since im pretty much geared up to the point I need to be.Although I do have to skip a good amount of runs whenever I have to make sure Im ready for Raiding =/

[Shadowpup]

The first thing you should do is stop farming and go back to questing.

I'm only 62 and I have about 325+ Damage. A lot of my gear was from questing. At 70 you really aught to have much much more spell damage which will make life (and farming) SO much easier.

[rgirty]

Yes, +350 is probably your issue.

Most the people talking here have around 800-1000 it seems.

[DraedynLei]

Yes, +350 is probably your issue.

Most the people talking here have around 800-1000 it seems.

And there should be several threads already discussing how you go about achieving those sorts of numbers. It's not overly difficult.

[rgirty]

He's farming for a pmc set so he isn't going to be tallying up more +dmg anytime soon.

[DraedynLei]

He's farming for a pmc set so he isn't going to be tallying up more +dmg anytime soon.

Ah, I didn't notice he was a healy. But even they have dps specs along with dmg gear no? There's a shadow priest in my guild in all blue's and greens thats between 500-600 dmg. Just seems like its gonna be a really long road with only 325 dmg.

[Stigg]

Barry, your wife plays if I remember?

You and her should hit up some quests in Netherstrom or Shadowmoon. Katie c and I have been questing out there. Wihtout doing anything but quests we make about 400g a night, for a few hours, and tis a lot more fun than grinding!

[Altaris]

Wow....
I very recently hit sixty, but the day before I dumped a bunch of money to get our new guildbank toon rolling with 18 slotters. My main is a pally and now I'm short on the money needed for the epic mount quest chain. I've decided to chill a bit on leveling and focus more on the AH and bringing in the income again.
This thread is making think I should not worry about it and just get on with the Outlands quests. I only four or five hundred gold for the epic mount quests.

[Magikhat]

Hit the outlands yo. You will be dripping in gold.

[Stigg]

Alt - the topics discussed here are for level 70s, Netherstorm and Shadowmoon valley are for about 68-70, and these immense amounts of gold from questing is based upon the XP converts to gold idea. But yes, 400g will come very quickly by just stepping into Outlands. Of course, as always, the AH can net you that much quicker....but the topic was farming gold, not AH'ing for gold.

[rgirty]

I have a +600dmg set on my holy priest that i use when needed or if I spec shadow but since he's farming, he isn't going to adding a lot more +dmg.

[Altaris]

Alt - the topics discussed here are for level 70s, Netherstorm and Shadowmoon valley are for about 68-70, and these immense amounts of gold from questing is based upon the XP converts to gold idea. But yes, 400g will come very quickly by just stepping into Outlands. Of course, as always, the AH can net you that much quicker....but the topic was farming gold, not AH'ing for gold.

Oh I understand that. :cool: Many of the AH threads here just don't quite work for me, so it will take me a week or two to get that money in the AH. In the meantime I'm leveling a warrior alt for the guild. But I'm dying to hit 70 too. I know the scale won't be the same, but if it is that lucrative at 70, it should only take a couple nights of play in Outlands for me to make that money back. And in the meantime, while I may look a poor sixty with no epic mount, I'll still be leveling towards 70.

[unbdm]

Thanks for the comments all... I've always taken the +heal over the +dmg&+heal gear. The only reason I'm interested in more +dmg is if it will get me to my epic tailered healing items faster.

Stigg, no, my wife hates the game (or the fact that I like it so much). I quested from 58-70, and have not done many quests since I hit 70... But I have not done a single quest in shadowmoon or blades edge, and I have a fair amount that I have not done in netherstorm and a few nagrand. The other areas I believe I did every quest, accept maybe a group quest I passed on for one reason or another. I may get back to some questing, the gold per quest is sure nice.

I may try an area outside of wizard row, the horde are getting thick there... but even with the horde 5 primals and 15g worth of greys an hour hasn't seemed that bad. I may go try the fire elementals, primal fires seem to be selling for 20g vs 15 for mana primals... have to see drop rate and how quick I can drop them, and what kind of mana efficiency I can run with.

Thanks,
Barry

[Stigg]

Whoops, I guess I got you confused with somebody else. If you are looking at the fire elementals, head to Blade's edge mountains or Shadowmoon valley. In BEM, they are straight west of the entrance to Netherstrom in a nicely packed niche. In Shadowmoon they are in the green spot in the very middle of the map.

Id stay away from Nagrand...too many bots due to its open terrain.

[Hoonah]

You and her should hit up some quests in Netherstrom or Shadowmoon. Katie c and I have been questing out there. Wihtout doing anything but quests we make about 400g a night, for a few hours, and tis a lot more fun than grinding!

Basically I was 70 with all the quests in these 2 zones as well. 400g very achievable. 5000 G for mount 300 lvl training is a good motivator!

I have also tried grinding motes but a lot of traffic as of late in the good farming sections (Silver Hand - server).

Great suggestions here for 70's for farming / grinding / questing. I have done each at some point and they can all net good G per hour (I average about 125).

[Urbanink]

from a few spots i have found i can get 30 gold in one hour just from mining/skinning (lvl 28 when i first found this place) also got me to lvl 30 in one nights work of farming.

[unbdm]

Whoops, I guess I got you confused with somebody else. If you are looking at the fire elementals, head to Blade's edge mountains or Shadowmoon valley. In BEM, they are straight west of the entrance to Netherstrom in a nicely packed niche. In Shadowmoon they are in the green spot in the very middle of the map.

Id stay away from Nagrand...too many bots due to its open terrain.

Thanks for the locations! I just need 4 more primal mooncloths and I'll have PMC set... thinking about going for whitement while I'm at it. At a minimum I'll get enough motes for primal mooncloth for whitemend so I can make every mooncloth cd without having to farm in my 23/38 build.

Thanks,
Barry

[rgirty]

I'm trying to get the whitemend myself, but seems that raiding is taking up more of my playtime.

Tonight will make 3 full nights of raiding, every night since the reset. I don't doubt it spills into tomorrow. The whitemend looks good.

[unbdm]

I'm trying to get the whitemend myself, but seems that raiding is taking up more of my playtime.

Tonight will make 3 full nights of raiding, every night since the reset. I don't doubt it spills into tomorrow. The whitemend looks good.

yes, whitemend looks real good... you influenced me in your other thread about getting it... I have not been playing much lately, I think the farming has burned me out a bit though... I'll make sure I have the mats for 20 primal mooncloths (or other primals I can trade for primal mooncloth), then I'll spec back holy and see how well I am able to get the rest of the mats in a 23/38 build. A guy on my server was offering to make this set using his nether, and my mats, for 100g.

Is your new guild in kara? I joined a small guild that a friend is in, not sure if I'll stay or not, but they are about to start kara group; they may start too early for me though.

Thanks,
Barry

[rgirty]

Yep, the new guild is in kara. After we down the big bad wolf later tonight, its on to the curator. We are only going to raid for about 1-1.5 hours and may stop after the wolf. Leaving the curator for a weekend session, if we could down him it would be a good accomplishment.

[memetootoo]

103 and 3 mote an hour is not terribly hard. I've never gotten more than that though, and of course I rarely get that much, but its very doable. 8-10 is what I usually get. Much easier if your a warlock, and have an area all to yourself.

[Leord]

"Unfortunately", I haven't been needing to farm for gold. Mining (and herbalism to a good extent) gives VERY ood gold per hour. Just zoom around and mine for 15 minutes, and you could have 2 stacks of adamantite, a few primal earth and perhaps a few motes of fire (if mining Fel Iron). Adamantite Ore (not bars mind you!) sell for over 22g per stack, and primal earth goes between 3-9g, depending on supply/demand.

As with the "real" primals, just don't sell when price is low, and you'll be ok.

Well, that takes 5 min to check/add as well, so about 40-60g per 20 min then. This is probably the best a Paladin can grind btw :P

[Qwertius]

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Well, that takes 5 min to check/add as well, so about 40-60g per 20 min then. This is probably the best a Paladin can grind btw :P

I got the same results.. very good rewards close to 200g /hour when i had all mines for myself (read only at off hours like in the middle of the night or at dawn.) good reward , but a lot less 100.g hours on normal hours and bad rewards (50g/hour) when the place is crowded with competition