Gnomish v Goblin Engineering

[USAHOLIO]

i know there are many threads like this but my situation is a peculiar one. Im levling up a shaman(plan on going enhancement) and i want to do a lot of pvp so i figured i would get mining and engi, but i dont know whether i want gnomish or Goblin. Im not too familiar with the specifics to each so i need a little guidance. Any suggestions/tips are welcome

[poopsmcgee]

ehh i don't really know. the only reason i have ever known for someone to take engineering is for the jumper cables which you don't need being a shaman. and i think the XL cables goblin engineering gives are supposed to be slightly better than the regular ones. but i really don't know since you don't need either.

[USAHOLIO]

i was really doing it for all teh cool things like seaforium charge, rocket boots, etc. because i already have my own and very effective way of making money. I also took a look at the 375 goggles /drool

[meikyo]

Honestly, it doesnt really matter much, there are things to consider though.

Goblin - bombs,rocket launcher,jumper cables, dimensional ripper - winterspring and area 52

Gnome - world enlarger(5 min self shrink until you perform a hostile action), some faulty gadgets ie nigh invulnerability belt, gnomish net-o-matic, polymorph chicken, mind control cap, dimensional ripper - gadgetzan and toshleys station

Ok, here's the thing. Most of this junk can be used by either engineer, just requires a certain specialization to make it. The main difference is going to be 350ish skill items gnome - nigh invulnerability belt, poultryizer and goblin - rocket launcher, sapper charge(I think thats everything). There were some specialization specific helmets but I think they're still incomplete and besides the new all engineer headpieces rock(although require a primal nether). As a shaman I dunno if bombs would be for you, personally I think gnome has the better pvp items and dimensional rippers(winterspring port is useless...for now anyway).

[Banesidhe]

Attack pets and Mines/bombs FTW!!!
I'm planning on getting my paladin to about 250-ish to pick up the Gnomish Battle chicken recipe, Death Ray, and some other mid level recipes, then unlearn engineering, relearn it to 225, click on the Soothsayer book by Steamwheedle Port to change specialties, and continue leveling it up. You'll lose the Gnomish recipe, but you'll still have the trinket/pet. And the Harvester reapers and mechanical dragonlings don't require a specialty to learn.

From what I've looked at on Wowwiki, it seems that melee characters benefit more from Goblin, and caster characters from Gnome.

You can have ALL your attack pets out at once, from what I've heard.
You get jumped while questing, bring out your pets! Let them take out the idiot who interupted you.

And for me, Engineering isn't a money sink, it's a damage booster, that you can't get anywhere else. You don't really need to take up Blacksmithing/LW/Tailoring to get weapons and armor for your toon, you can find them or buy them from the AH. But where are you going to find an item that allows you to do a AOE attack of several hundred (Goblin Land Mine) at lvl 20? My BE paladin was able to take down the 2 lvl 20 elites in the Ghostlands by herself at lvl 20, not using twink equipment. Maybe I'm not the best player, but usually I don't attempt 20+ elites until I'm a couple levels above them.

[meikyo]

Attack pets and Mines/bombs FTW!!!
I'm planning on getting my paladin to about 250-ish to pick up the Gnomish Battle chicken recipe, Death Ray, and some other mid level recipes, then unlearn engineering, relearn it to 225, click on the Soothsayer book by Steamwheedle Port to change specialties, and continue leveling it up. You'll lose the Gnomish recipe, but you'll still have the trinket/pet. And the Harvester reapers and mechanical dragonlings don't require a specialty to learn.


I don't get what you're doing here. You're going to level gnome, scrap it, relevel it to 225? That sounds extremely painful. I haven't caught anything in notes about being able to switch specialties for eng yet, but why would you need to use the soothsayer book if you drop it and relevel it?

p.s. I'm pretty sure your pets all use the same cooldown. Also as you level, and even at level they're pretty weak. The only bombs I think worth it are the silence ones...which should be affordable now, and the new frost grenade.

[Banesidhe]

I don't get what you're doing here. You're going to level gnome, scrap it, relevel it to 225? That sounds extremely painful. I haven't caught anything in notes about being able to switch specialties for eng yet, but why would you need to use the soothsayer book if you drop it and relevel it?
Whenever you specialize within a profession, like with Leatherworking, they've set it up so that you have to drop it, re-level it, and click on the book in Tanaris. Type in Engineering on Wowwiki.com to see the breakdown between Goblin and Gnome spec.

It's not that painful, and with 9 alts, most of the things I'll be remaking will be useful still (bombs, bullets, target dummies). And I figure I might as well get as many pets as I can. :)
I was considering to level characters in JC first to get the attack pet trinkets, but it's not worth it. That's an expensive profession, not really worth taking up until about lvl 30+. Your quest reward rings are usually better, or you can find the jewelry on the AH for less than the cost of mats.

[Fursphere]

Gnomish vs Goblin in a nutshell:

Goblin - BOOM! You like explosives!

Gnomish - Gadgets! You like goofy gadgets that may backfire from time to time!

[meikyo]

When you drop a profession and relevel it, you simply specialize when your profession gets to level. The point of the soothsayer book is to switch specialties without scrapping the whole profession. When bc hit I changed my rogue from tribal to elemental for 50g and I retained my leatherworking level of 300ish~.

[myusernameistaken]

The only bombs I think worth it are the silence ones...which should be affordable now, and the new frost grenade.

Really? I think that any ranged, stunning attack for a melee class (especially warrior) is amazingly useful. Those pesky little mages that frost nova me, run 10' away and start winding up a big spell learn that when they get an Iron Hand Grenade in the face.

Ok I'm not very high level, but I've found engineering to be really handy on my warrior.

[Valshenna]

I just started a new gnome rogue that I'm planning on twinking out for the 39's bracket. Gonna go with Gnomish engineering-gotta have me a deathray, and I figure the other Gnomish-only recipes will also be fun :grin:

[Qwertius]

Engineering Love to hate it.

Basic Rule 1.

Engineering is only usefull at LOW lvl (10-39) (when the bombs / damage gadgets and tricks are actually powerfull for your lvl) and very HIGH lvl (epic recipes at lvl 70 and the abilty to teleport to a few places)

It's pretty wortless in mid lvls because all blue lvl items you can make are worse than easy to get Ah and dungeon loot. also the bombs and pets etc don't really stand the test of time at those lvls (lets say 35-60)

Basic Rule 2.

It's Fun! lots of jokes all around..

Basic Rule 3. Its kinda expensive. And beacuse you NEED to max out engineering skill at a low lvl (see Rule 1) it's better to give engineering to an wealthy alt with a good wallet. Otherwise once you can finally afford some engineering your lvl willb e so high that it's worthless

Basic rule 4

Bot Gnome and Goblin engineering rock. I have two charcters one of each... Everytime I play either I wish he could do stuff from the other.

AARCH curse you evil blizzard designer!