BS & Engineering from Mining / Skinning at 70

[Altaris]

I'm an SoR Retadin. Would it be worth going from mining/skinning at level 70, gathering all the mats I'd need and powerlevel Engineering and then Blacksmithing to get crafted epixx?

I'd probably wait until after I had my flyer, but would it be worth doing? There are some awesome pally epic bop's in both professions.

[dwarfenhelm]

the epics you craft as a black smith require you to be a black smith to use them so i wouldnt think it would be good to be both black smith and engineer as you would for ever be spending money in ah to buy the ore you need to make the gear

[Pin]

I agree, to farm the mats needed for both those professions would take you a very long time.

Perhaps just do the one you'd like the most and when you're finished decide if it would be worth doing it again to get your second choice up too?

I've just levelling tailoring up to get BoP stuff and that's supposed to be easy compared to blacksmithing. I still got a little bored with it, couldn't be bothered farming the stuff and bought it all. Now I'm broke, I'll get it back eventually but in the meantime I miss having money and being able to buy thing if I want to. It's a bigger commitment than I realised, I can't imagine doing x2 crafting professions would be easy to do at once.

[Fursphere]

If you've got say, 3000G laying around, go for it.

[Altaris]

If you've got say, 3000G laying around, go for it.

:grin:

Sure don't. :cry: Thus the comment about waiting until after my flyer. I would farm the mats to PL both skills. This would definitely take a few weeks of real time to do, if not longer. I have friends and a guild that would help to an extent, but most of it would be on me.

My question though is: are these epic, crafted items worth the effort? Chances are I'd have to farm for the epic plans on top of the mats.

Or, should I not bother and just hope to get teir drops from raiding?

[Altaris]

To clarify, I'm looking at the epic pally goggles and also the +45 stam trinkets from Engineering.

[Falchan]

If all you want is a trinket to hold 45 stam, take a look at the Commander's Badge - it's a quest reward for grinding rep with the netherwing, and can be gotten rather easily after you purchase your epic riding skill (and complete the netherwing quest chain - thus opening the daily repeatable quests for the netherwing).

I had this trinket after about a week of grinding casually on the daily quests.

[Altaris]

To clarify, I'm looking at the epic pally goggles and also the +45 stam trinkets from Engineering.

The trinkets are only part of what I'm looking at. The purple plates that add spell damage are right up my alley.

[Banesidhe]

And if you want to make it even MORE fun :rolleyes:, go for Gnome engineering first to get the Gnomish Battle chicken/Deathray/other 250 lvl Gnome only trinkets, then unlearn engineering, bring it back up to the 200 level, read the Soothsayer book to switch to Goblin engineering, and continue from there......

As a completist/perfectionist, that's what I'm planning on doing for all my melee characters. Hey, I put in 7 years on Diablo 2, I can do this no prob. :)

[Fursphere]

To give you an idea on the costs involved... over the past few days, I've been "farming the AH" for mats to level Blacksmithing on my warrior.

I went from 1 - 260 for about 250 - 300g. I did a little actual mining, bust 95%+ was just from the AH.

I'm just about to hit Thorium for a require material. Thorium is 1G per bar on my server right now. According to the guide I'm using, it takes 480 bars to hit 300.

Then in to get to like 325, you need another 300 bars or something. If you're counting, that's almost 800g right there...

To make matters worse, just about everything you make you won't be able to sell, until *maybe* 300+. So whatever gold you spend is gone, there is no making it back.

Engineering very similar in cost, as I've got a 330 engineer hunter. Although I've done most of the mining to get him there over the last 2 years of playing him... hehe

Engineering requires more off teh wall stuff, so AH trips are more frequent.

[Altaris]

Yeah, after really looking at the numbers and the potential item rewards... I've given up on BS. I may take it up later on if I become a tankadin, but I don't see that happening. I'm still taking a very hard look at engineering though.

[Banesidhe]

To make matters worse, just about everything you make you won't be able to sell, until *maybe* 300+. So whatever gold you spend is gone, there is no making it back.
What do you mean you won't be able to sell? Nobody buys it off the AH, or it's all BOP? If it's BOP, stash it in your bank until right before you change to engineering, and do a brief stint as an enchanter to get to the level to DE it. It's reasonably easy to lvl enchanting, the first 50 levels you skill up just by DE'ing stuff. Then take those mats, and apply them over and over to a piece of armor or whatever.

[ascendedavatar]

I'm an SoR Retadin. Would it be worth going from mining/skinning at level 70, gathering all the mats I'd need and powerlevel Engineering and then Blacksmithing to get crafted epixx?

I'd probably wait until after I had my flyer, but would it be worth doing? There are some awesome pally epic bop's in both professions.

I got tired of my alts having such a time gathering supplies, getting the money together for professions, so I just focused on a hunter to level like a madman, got skinning and mining, and it's just a grinding, mats-collecting machine...I focus solely on mobs that drop what I'm looking for at the time (or have the kind of leather I require); I locate them, and cut loose with the hunter.
Doing it this way, I've got more gold, materials, greens & blues in my alt's banks then I can readily count. Yes, it takes some time to get that proficient, but even a 10th level hunter can grind hard for cloth, light leathers, etc. Each new area (higher level) presents more stuff I can use for various professions/alts, so I go all out on each one.
And in Outlands, there is a ton of money anyway, so a good grinder such as a hunter or rogue (not sure on the rogue as I don't have one) or a demo-lock, can mow through hundreds of mobs in a session, accumulating all you can need/want.
Now that hunter provides all the gold, mats, blues/greens for my alts, either to twink them out and/or for their professions, so the alts only
use the crafting professions, not the gathering ones, with the exception of another alt that is a herbalist. Plus, now that gold flows so freely, anything my hunter or herbalist can't find they can easily buy.

[Altaris]

Ascended,
I sort of did the same thing. None of my alts are farmers, so the next alt I level will be a smith/skinner to replace this toon. The reason for the change though is that I'm getting into end game. My guild is not a full raiding guild, and I'll end up one of the people the guild relies on to move us into that direction. So I need to get geared up as much as possible be as much of a rock. I was thinking that BS would provide me that avenue.

Trinkets are where I'm lacking most, and engineering offers some nice ones along with the epic plate goggles. I have also decided to go with enchanting.

[clevins]

well.. I levelled LW to 300 over about 10 days (realtime, not play!!). I don't skin, so I bought everything and it cost me about 250g. Since I'm an enchanter, I DEd the greens I created and sell the mats...

I think getting any crafting profession to 300 is pretty easy and, at least on my server, doable without farming at all if you have about 300g around. However, getting ABOVE that takes time and gold... the skill points are much harder to come by.

Whether it's worth it depends on when you start being able to create the epics you want and how much better they are than quest/instance/raid drops... and your ability to get those drops.

Gold, though is easy to get... just farm motes, create primals and sell the primals. You should be able to get 1-200g in an evening that way very easily. even if you need to farm for gold this way it's far less playtime than levelling a farming alt presuming you're a decently geared 70

[Altaris]

Gold, though is easy to get... just farm motes, create primals and sell the primals. You should be able to get 1-200g in an evening that way very easily. even if you need to farm for gold this way it's far less playtime than levelling a farming alt presuming you're a decently geared 70

Thusly I'm a quested 61 just getting into instances. Got the blue chest and 2handed hammer from Ramparts. :heart::cloud9: Just trying to plan ahead.

And as an update, I dropped skinning this morning and picked up enchanting. I think the enchanting will really help me get through to 70. I'll have it to 300 in no time at all. After that... We'll see what happens.

[clevins]

it's far easier to powerlevel a profession at 70 since gold is easy. Quests give no XP, so they reward 10-25g per quest and, as i mentioned above, you can farm mats that sell well.

My personal pref at your level would be to keep levelling vs spending lots of time farming mats, but it depends on what you like and you'll get lots of blues to DE along that way and the mats will sell well.

Oh and you only need 275 enchanting to DE Outland blues so, unless you want to, don't skill past that if you're levelling enchanting to DE

[Haemorrhoid]

To the OP, I've started doing the exact same thing but with engineering/leatherworking (rogue). I had just spend over1k gold getting enchanting up to 310, got fed up, dropped enchanting for mining.

As I'm leveling mining, I skin (have skinning 375) gathering all the leather I need to eventually dump mining and skinning and take up engineering for the X11 Deathblow goggles and leatherworking for the Primalstrike set.

So far I have gatherd 200 light leather, 700 medium leather, 400 heavy, 350 thick, 150 rugged and 200 copper bars, 400 bronze, 60 silver, 70 iron... it's long but I really think it'll be worth it.

I want to avoid buying off the AH as much as poss, I learnt that mistake with enchanting. Ultimatly it's just a game so I'm just doing what I want. I'd say go for it, but it does take some patience!

[Altaris]

Patience and time I have, and I want to minimize the amount of money I spend in the long run. Dropping skinning now may hurt that secondary goal, but I should be able to more than make up for it with DE. Also, it will help me help my guildies by providing mats for enchants and for few precious few priests who are leveling up their tailoring.

I'm keeping mining and enchanting for quite some time. Clevins, thanks for the heads up on the 275 mark. I will most likely stop there until I hit 70. The main concern is being able to DE all these green and blue quest rewards. And also, my guild doesn't have enough high level enchanters, so when duplicate items drop, we end up vendoring them.

[clevins]

"...my guild doesn't have enough high level enchanters, so when duplicate items drop, we end up vendoring them."

Yeah, that's why I skilled enchanting. The only reason to skill past 275 for DEing is to DE Outland epics (not sure about Azeroth epics). There are several enchants that need over 275 too.

[Altaris]

I will eventually skill enchanting up to 375, and do what I can to farm as many different recipes as possible. But the 275 mark is my primary goal, after that it will be to get all the +spell damage enchants I can.

[Scrub]

Engineering can be brutal to lvl up. Once you get to thorium it's nerve racking cuz everyone is farming thorium like crazy and the AH prices are rediculous. The thorium widgets make life a little easier.

Once you peak 300 it gets fairly easy for a time with the outlands schematics.......but......right now I'm at 361 engineering scratching my head staring at complex and expensive schematics that are all green :(

The only thing that is orange for me is the warlock destruction goggles....and lord knows when I'm gonna see a primal nether.....lol......or a yellow schematic that requires 5 or 6 heavy knothide leather and small prismatic shards.

The goblin rocket launcher is awesome btw.....2 min cd and I've critted for 2k with it a couple times. Every time I start wondering why I went with engineering I shoot a rabbit with the rocket launcher and I feel better :D

[Altaris]

Fortunately, my guild has an abundance of skinners in Outlands. I know for a fact they'd help me with any mats I couldn't get on my own. I do the same, I think I've donated well over a thousand netherweave silk to priestess who is four points from 20 slotters. The cool down sucks, but eventually I'll be getting a full set of 20 slotters for myself :D I'll be providing mats of course, and I'll have to wait until she upgrades from the 16's and upgrades our guild bank.

Hm... I should look into buying the mats off the AH if I can. That'd help her a lot.

I've been doing a lot of questing in EPL and Winterspring lately, working on my epic pallie mount and getting attuned for Onyxia. So I'm slowly building up a store of thorium bars. I should probably be selling them instead of hoarding them, but I'm hoping that by starting now it will take me less time farming for it all later on.

With my solo time, I made one run through VC. Between that and the greens I had sitting idle on my eight different sub-20 alts, I've gotten to 100 enchanting with out breaking a sweat. I've ran SFK twice already, which helped. I'm going there two or three more times tonight, that should get me to 150 enchanting without spending any money except for training. I am using trainer only recipes as much as possible, and so far the only mat I've used is strange dust and 1 lesser magic essece (for the runed copper rod.) I need to make my runed silver rod now, of course. But after that I've still got orange recipes using only strange dust for another 10 or 15 points I think. I'm hoping to hit at least 200 enchanting by this weekend. It will depend on how much solo time I have this week. If I can hit 275 enchanting by Saturday, I'll be a very happy person.