Final choice

[Kronaed]

I've sort of found myself in a hole in the process of creating my character. I've decided to be a Warlock over a Warrior. But I'm having hard decision between choosing to be Human or the Undead. Here are my reasons for those races.

Reasons for choosing Human:
Cool dance that goes with listening to the Bee Gees.
Females are actually somewhat appealing unlike the undead
More peaceful starting environment
The ally races are a bit more good-looking than the horde races.

Reasons for choosing Undead:
Cool dance that goes with any heavy metal that I might be listening to.
Skeletal Horse mount
The cool look of inside the Undercity
The simple fact that if I am riding a Dreadsteed or Skeletal Horse that I can put on the song "Ghost Riders in the Sky."

[poopsmcgee]

gnomes ftw

[Kronaed]

gnomes ftw
No way, no how.

[poopsmcgee]

ok, but you listed dances on both characters and gnomes have the best dance in the game lol.

[Kronaed]

ok, but you listed dances on both characters and gnomes have the best dance in the game lol.
Sorry I'm not into rap or hip-hop. Though Tauren have absolutely the worst dance in the game.

[PlayThemAll]

UD have "Will of the Forsaken" and Cannabilize.

Humans have a nice honor bonus but nothing that can't be overcome with a little more grinding with XXXX faction.

I would go with UD. The racials are better IMHO.

[Tanitha]

Play whatever will soothe your eyeballs the most for 70+ levels.

[Toxicshadow]

As for the looks: Remember that every 12 year old kid will be thinking even more about this.
As for the mounts: Warlocks get flaming horses for 90 silver at lvl 40, so even if you can't be borthered with doing the quest for the (even cooler) lvl 60 mount it'll be a loong time before it matters.

Really the only thing that matters is the Racials.
The Diplomacy of a Human will get you 10% more reputation for each kill which means A LOT of time saved, and as a Warlock Perception combined with a self-buff and a pet's Paranoia will let you see a rogue before he even comes within range of any of your spells.
On the other hand Undeads get Cannibalize which isn't important as you can drain life when needed (and when not needed for the cheap DPS) and Will of the Forsaken which is quite a huge bonus when fighting anything with fear-spells. (Such as Priest, Warrior, Warlock, Leatherworker..)

Oh and keep in mind: Once you're level 70 and decked out in awesome-looking armor, the only way to tell the difference between a Human and an Undead is that the Human is.. well.. wider.
Or take off your helm and look at the face.

[Maelfurion]

Just choose the one u think is the coolest cuz ull be starring at it for a long time. AS for a Lock, Perception is great cuz you cant afford being backstabbed by a rogue or druid

[Kronaed]

Just choose the one u think is the coolest cuz ull be starring at it for a long time. AS for a Lock, Perception is great cuz you cant afford being backstabbed by a rogue or druid
But Perception would probably be only useful for battlegrounds or the arena right? I will state again that I play PvE not PvP.

[Tanitha]

But Perception would probably be only useful for battlegrounds or the arena right? I will state again that I play PvE not PvP.

Despite Toxic's assertion that racials make/break it - the best choice you can make is to pick the one that appeals to you the most, not the one that seems best from a min/maxing perspective.

Do you actually have the game yet? It might be easier to get stuck into it and to roll a few levels of each and see which one works best for you and feels the most natural.

And no, if you're pure PvE and you can definately say that you will never want to enter a Battleground or head into any PvP scenario then Perception is of limited use. Heck, I played a Human Warlock on a RP/PvP server and found Perception to be close to useless. It's an "On-use" skill, so unless you actually activate it when you suspect a rogue / druid might be in the area and spot them in the - what is it - 10 second? - timeframe, it's useless.

Diplomacy however is fairly useful, but nothing that cannot be worked around. From the sound of it though, and taking that rather ... ahem "unique" ... guild name you had in mind, Undead seems like a better match for you. And they have a fabulous starting area with a quick cross over to Blood Elves for some of the best starting XP gain.

[Chazers]

I personally have problems with this sort of thing all the time. To figure out what you want, find what appeals to you for hours and hours to play as. Do you like being a creepy zombie on the "evil" side of the game, or do you want to be the well liked, average human person, on the "good" side of the game. Your decision can be based on anything from the sound of their voice to the feel of the character's movement. Hopefully you can sort this out because it is not much fun to keep re-rolling new characters (believe me I know). Good luck.

[Kronaed]

I own the game except for BC expansion. But I usually only get to play 4 times a month. Each time is roughly 2-4 hours. I think I will go with the Undead.

[Wintrow]

Don't get depressed from the surroundings. And if it's still too gray for you. Bite through to L10 and head for the sunny Barrens.

[PlayThemAll]

The human racial "Perception" is nice but it does not last that long. It has rarely been usefull to me on my Palli main. Pretty much the only time I've used it is in BG's and I have only done a few of those with my human toon. The UD WotF has been very usefull to me in my travels.

Personally for Locks I think the UD just look the role. Ultimately you are the one who has to play the toon for however long you play so pick one you like. You can always change if you decide you don't like the looks or traits of a particular race/class.

[Kronaed]

Yeah...it didn't go so well last night. I got to play as UD Lock but I got reminded of how much I hate playing a will user. I fought a warrior and rogue in 2 different duels. It was if I was singing as Barry Manilow against Iron Maiden.

[Wintrow]

I assume by "will user" you mean "mana user"... If you wanna be good at PvP a mana user takes some practise to get around the casting = standing still = sitting duck issue.

[Kronaed]

I assume by "will user" you mean "mana user"...
I assume you've never played Fable.

If you wanna be good at PvP a mana user takes some practise to get around the casting = standing still = sitting duck issue.
This is getting tiring to explain. I'm on a PvE server not PvP. Do you understand?

[Tanitha]

I assume you've never played Fable

And I'm going to assume you know that this is World of Warcraft, not Fable? Different games use different terminology for what is the same concept. This one uses Mana.

Out of curiosity though - why the aversion to PvP? There is great fun to be had in Battlegrounds and so on, even if you play on a regular PvE server.

[ocellaris]

You hate PVP yet you duel? :rolleyes:

When you start comparing racial dances as a reason to play a certain race, its pretty obvious you don't really care and are just talking for the sake of hearing yourself.

Undead is the superior race for a PVE Warlock. Gnomes are superior if you want to play Alliance instead of Horde. Since you are busy comparing dances and can only play a couple times a month, I am sure the human racial bonus of +rep is useless to you.

Just play whatever you think looks cool though, since that is all that matters to you.

[Toxicshadow]

This is getting tiring to explain. I'm on a PvE server not PvP. Do you understand?
Put it this way: If you care about how your /dance looks, you'll NEVER get in a raiding guild, and outside of raids PvE is BORING. As time goes towards infinity the chance of you finding yourself in a Battle Ground goes towards 1.

[Kronaed]

And I'm going to assume you know that this is World of Warcraft, not Fable? Different games use different terminology for what is the same concept. This one uses Mana.
I do. Will, mana, magic, magick, fey, etc. Same thing. I just assumed most gamers would understand even if they didn't play Fable.

You hate PVP yet you duel?
Its not nice to twist someone's words around. I don't like playing on the PvP server that doesn't mean I don't enjoy dueling. Its just I'd like to enjoy the game a bit more than always have to worry about other players ganking me as if I were in Vietnam.

Put it this way: If you care about how your /dance looks, you'll NEVER get in a raiding guild, and outside of raids PvE is BORING. As time goes towards infinity the chance of you finding yourself in a Battle Ground goes towards 1. Just play whatever you think looks cool though, since that is all that matters to you.
I didn't choose my race by how they dance or which looked coolest. I know what I said before but things have changed. PvE is not boring if you enjoy relaxing.

[Tanitha]

Kronaed, I hear what you are saying about PvE. When playing Guild Wars, my first "real" MMO there was no way anybody would drag me any closer to PvP than going through the Academy to get to Post Searing.

But, thanks to some friends I ended up on a RP/PvP server in World of Warcraft and for me, at least, there is now little to beat the raw excitement and danger anticipation of running around in the frenetic madness that is PvP. I realize that a PvP server is not for everyone and fully respect your decision to skip it.

I do however want to point out that Battlegrounds are a fairly unique PvP experience. It's entirely opt in, there are good rewards from it, and if you do not raid full time it tends to become part of the end-game at 70. So don't close yourself off to it entirely, as opt-in PvP can be a great deal of fun.

[Zendarin]

This is getting tiring to explain. I'm on a PvE server not PvP. Do you understand?

Ummm... dude... I don't know how to break this to you .... but dueling IS PvP. What type of server you are on really doesn't matter. You said you got owned dueling - which is PvP - so the other poster responded to a post about a PvP situation.

Personally I find the whole "do you understand" rhetoric rather tiring so be a nice UD and apologize to Wintrow :wink:

[Findariel]

Put it this way: If you care about how your /dance looks, you'll NEVER get in a raiding guild, and outside of raids PvE is BORING. As time goes towards infinity the chance of you finding yourself in a Battle Ground goes towards 1.
Personally I wholehearteldy disagree with this. A player who cares a bit more about aesthetics and dislikes walking around dressed like a clown isn't neccessarily a bad team player or unskilled player. And no, I don't think everything except end-game is boring. If that were the case, I'd stopped playing a long time ago.

Anyway, PvP isn't that bad. I didn't play BGs on my 1st character but the characters after her all did to some extent; it's not hard to do and you get really good rewards for it, that would be very expensive if you had to buy them (blue and later epics).
Next to that, you learn to play your class better since PvP offers very different challenges than PvE.

[Tanitha]

Anyway, PvP isn't that bad. I didn't play BGs on my 1st character but the characters after her all did to some extent; it's not hard to do and you get really good rewards for it, that would be very expensive if you had to buy them (blue and later epics). Next to that, you learn to play your class better since PvP offers very different challenges than PvE.

I wholeheartedly agree with Findariel here. Even in PvE, as you get to later levels, your enemies will learn how to use a more impressive array of abilities against you. While it is not quite as challenging as a PvP environment knowing how to react to stuns, silences and so forth in PvE is a very good thing and very useful. Various cast sequences and just the ability to react with overwhelming force and being able to conserve your own reserves while doing so - learned rather quickly in PvP - become invaluable in PvE.

P.S. Findariel - are you still playing Guild Wars at all? Eye of the North is due this year, I think and GW2 is looking rather tasty. Now whether that just turns out to be empty promises, we'll have to see, but it certainly SOUNDS good.

[Kronaed]

Ummm... dude... I don't know how to break this to you .... but dueling IS PvP. What type of server you are on really doesn't matter. You said you got owned dueling - which is PvP - so the other poster responded to a post about a PvP situation.
Ummm dude, read my last post.

Personally I find the whole "do you understand" rhetoric rather tiring so be a nice UD and apologize to Wintrow
Your not my parents and even if you were I still wouldn't listen to you.

Tanitha, thanks for understanding.

[Tanitha]

Tanitha, thanks for understanding.

That's cool. So - how's the Warrior going? Are you having more fun with him than with the Warlock?

[Kronaed]

I am. Its so easy to kill those scarlet guys without being killed myself. Do you happen to know where the Zeppelin Tower is that is not far from the Ruins of Lordaeron? Also can I get an Epic Mount on a PvE realm?

[Tanitha]

Yes, I do know. If you are in the ruins head straight North. Across the road is a tower - that's the Zeppelin tower. Just head up to the top, there is one going to Grom'Gol base camp in Stranglethorn Vale and another taking you to Ogrimmar.

If you head inside the ruins to the West, I believe, you get to the Orb of Translocation which will take you to Silvermoon City, where the Blood Elves have their home.

And yes, you can get an Epic mount. PvE and PvP realms have all the same rewards, so what is on one will be on the other. You need Exalted reputation with the Faction you want the mount for and level 60 before you can get one. It's "reasonably" expensive to get the riding skill. If you do Battlegrounds you can turn in marks to get an equivalent mount through doing a bit of PvP.

[moopy]

Next to that, you learn to play your class better since PvP offers very different challenges than PvE.

IMHO, the most useful thing PvP teaches people is to stop clicking with the darn mouse all the time :)

To be any good at all, you need to consider your core abilities, and get them all bound to nice easy-to-reach keys in a prioritised manner. Being able to get to these abilities instantly is key to survival in PvP. You'll discover as a side effect that it makes you that bit slicker in PvE too, as you'll have tighter control over your chacter, and thus be able to squeak out of dicey situations more often.