alts in a guild

[frimley]

Are you in a guild which limits the number of alts you're allowed to have in it?

And if so, what's the reason for the limit?

[Aerath]

Yes.

My guild has -0- alts in it. Mains only.

Reason being it's confusing as heck to have a bunch of low levels frolloc around when Raid Invites start.

We've a separate guild for the Alts.

Mind you, personally I prefer it mixed up - the banter is just much nicer when you don't miss half the people cos they're off on an alt.

[wesje]

Im in a guild called the Thirteenth Legion, the altguild is the Twelfth Legion. If u want your alt to be in the mainguild, u have to apply and have the gear/rep like anyone else would need

[Clavina]

I was in a 'mains only' guild for about a week then left. I split my time between 2 characters whilst levelling a 3rd and just found it really restrictive to be limited to one of them in a guild. I like to see if my other chars are needed for groups etc and then re-log if needed

[Davemetalhead]

Nope, 'cos I play in a guild that recognises the game is for fun, and not to be restricted.

And yes, we raid - although I don't - not really interested ...

[moopy]

My guild has a rule that trialees aren't allowed alts in, though it's rarely enforced. My alt, a kara-geared hunter, is actually much more kickass than many of the mains, anyway. My nominal "main" (I hate the distinction) is a resto shammy, but I had my hunter and my priest in there before I was a full member. At some point, I'll get around to getting my warrior ginvited too, though right now it's a character I play when I want some quiet relaxing gaming.

BTW, love the thread title, sounds like something of a problem for Sam L. Jackson :)

[frimley]

Lol Moopy :grin:

I think some middle ground probably works the best - technically you could have up to 9 alts in a guild which just seems excessive; 1 or 2 seems more reasonable and should be enough to keep everyone happy ...

[Kugan]

We’re in our guild because we like the people we are with. If you are on an alt, we will still like you (yes, even if you changed sex/race).

The only rules is that the alts must have “[Main Name]’s alt” in their personal note (to avoid confusion).

[Caderbery]

WE have just started to limit the number of alts, it gets confusing when you have 100 Members, and each member has 9 alts in the guild, So now we only allow 1 Main and 4 alts per person. Once one of you alts gets to 70 another one is allowed to join though.

[Janfader]

Why does it matter? Really? If your running a lvl 70 raid/instance a pst'n for invites, you not going to take low lvl/rep alts! Had a main charater was playing his alt in the guild and "saw" the raid/instance invite, then they would see it!

"I'll go, let me log on with my main". Plain and simple.

The game is for fun as mentioned earlier in the thread. You cannot take it seriously. Regards.

[Athame]

We just have a different rank for alts, with the mentioned guildnote that contains the main's name. I think guilds that disallow it are just worried too much about appearances. I think it's actually counterproductive, because where people might hide on alts they would be tempted to join (and let the guild know they are on) if only to be able to read guild chat. Then again, my guilded alts get ganked more than my unguilded ones, as I'm in a PvP guild with some reputation on the realm.

[moopy]

Why does it matter? Really? If your running a lvl 70 raid/instance a pst'n for invites, you not going to take low lvl/rep alts! Had a main charater was playing his alt in the guild and "saw" the raid/instance invite, then they would see it!

"I'll go, let me log on with my main". Plain and simple.

Quite so. I agreed to forego yesterday's raid to let someone less geared/experienced have my spot, and jumped on my hunter to play some PvP. About five minutes later, the raid leader contacted me me to ask if I could come after all, as there were some no-shows. It wasn't rocket surgery, just took him a few seconds for him to ask, and for me to relog, grab pots, and whine for a summon.

Athame,

Quite so, most of my "alts" (*gag*) are at Private Baldrick rank, and my "main" (regag!) is ranked as Captain Blackadder (gotta love customisable rank names, an opportunity for so much fun :).

[ChaosSaber]

Curiously, my guild actually REQUIRES you to register your alts with the guild when you sign up. Obviously there is really no way to enforce this, but it's an interesting policy.

Everyone's info tag on the guild roster lists the name of their main for easy identification, and your alts are all the same rank as your main.

[Renata]

We allow all alts in our guild.

One thing that's very important to do in a guild with alts is to code alts using the personal note, identifying who their main is. That way, if you have to kick a person out of the guild, you can get rid of all their alts as well without having to remember who they are.

...Ren

[Beruen]

My guild has -0- alts in it. Mains only.

Reason being it's confusing as heck to have a bunch of low levels frolloc around when Raid Invites start.

This has backfired on the only guild I know that had this rule, they then reversed it (yes, required alts to be in the guild) because they could never get a hold of people for unscheduled runs, which of course caused drama to those people that found good guilds for their alts. Should work since you have a guild for alts, provided that guild remains viable.

Mind you, personally I prefer it mixed up - the banter is just much nicer when you don't miss half the people cos they're off on an alt.

I agree very much on this point. In fact, I recently told a guildie that was apologizing for the fact that he was about to leave the guild (he was a BG twink, and we don't have many twinks, so everyone he did anything with were in a different guild) was that I guild to be with friends, and if your friends are all somewhere else, I'm not going to hold anything against you for leaving to guild with them.

[Xlorep DarkHelm]

I would hate to have my alts be separated from the main guild. Since I like, y'know, talk with people in the guild all the time, and being one of the Officers of the guild, may need to know if I have to switch over to my main to handle a situation that rose up in the guild easily. If my alts were forced to be in a separate guild, I'd find a new guild to be in -- I never really know which of my characters I feel like running around as day by day.

[SirBazturd]

The guild I am in allows alts which makes communication much easier. I am in my guild because I enjoy the gaming with the people who make up the members, be it lvl 10 or 70.


I can understand why some guilds want only mains. My guess would be that they want to focus on progression and want their members focused on their main to help that progression. The two guild system seems interesting, but I would not want to have to manage it.

[swaldman]

I can understand why some guilds want only mains.

I can't, and I've been in one (that had a seperate guild for alts, and a chat channel that they were all supposed to be on).

I really don't see the point. Raid invites? Well, is it hard to invite the right people? :ponder:

Perhaps somebody from a no-alts guild can explain?

[YamahaGuy]

I allow alts. The people in our guild are part of our group. If their online playing and chatting then no reason to not let them be around the others.

Plus if I need <class> as a fill in or replacement, or I am trying to count our classes for raid composition, I hate "alt-hunting" through names I can remember or friends lists >.<

To avoid the confusion, they get tagged with the <Alt> rank and their main name goes in their comment.

[Thargos]

I hate haveing alts in my guild. I'm an officer, and I have to go and find out what alt belongs to who when no one says their adding thier alt they log onto once..I doo clean up one every two months..I usually delete 20 alts, and 10 people that haven't logged on in over a month.

[SirBazturd]

I can't, and I've been in one (that had a seperate guild for alts, and a chat channel that they were all supposed to be on).

I really don't see the point. Raid invites? Well, is it hard to invite the right people? :ponder:

Perhaps somebody from a no-alts guild can explain?


I see it as their guild, their rules. If their approach to organization is such that mains only is what works for them, so be it.

That isn't my style, but just b/c I don't run things that way doesn't mean someone else can't be successful running it that way.


As to the raid invites, my guess is that they tell people to be on your main at invite time or you don't get an invite. It doesn't seem that complicated. It is just another way to run your guild.

[Janfader]

I hate haveing alts in my guild. I'm an officer, and I have to go and find out what alt belongs to who when no one says their adding thier alt they log onto once..I doo clean up one every two months..I usually delete 20 alts, and 10 people that haven't logged on in over a month.

For that reason I hate guilds that take the game too damn seriously. Why delete? I'm guessing your guildies have free invites then? Maybe you should only have one or two members recruiting. Sounds like a young and tough to socialize guild - meaning anything dumb a guildie says, gets hampered on.

If my guild leader kicked anyone out without my say so, I would be out in a heart beat, taking eveything along with me (alts, banked items etc).

Sounds like a power trip.

[irogue]

I would like to put my main and alts in different guilds so I can get to know more ppl.

[rgirty]

We tag people, not toons.

Thats my motto anyway. As long as notes are made as to who's alt it is.

[Thargos]

For that reason I hate guilds that take the game too damn seriously. Why delete? I'm guessing your guildies have free invites then? Maybe you should only have one or two members recruiting. Sounds like a young and tough to socialize guild - meaning anything dumb a guildie says, gets hampered on.

If my guild leader kicked anyone out without my say so, I would be out in a heart beat, taking eveything along with me (alts, banked items etc).

Sounds like a power trip.
Why delete? because there are toon that haven't been logged on in over a month. They haven't been played in a while and probably won't get played for a while. If they ever go back to that toon, they can just ask for another invite.

And I never hamper on anyone unless they are asking for something completly outragous. Like last week, some new recruit was asking for 20g, wouldn't say why, and got all pissed off when no one gave (not barrowed, gave) him the gold. He got a warning. My guild is a really laid back guild that raids aly towns about once a week. We're not a bunch of nazi's, controlling what people do in the guild.

And you say:

If my guild leader kicked anyone out without my say so, I would be out in a heart beat, taking eveything along with me (alts, banked items etc).

Are you an officer? If not, if someone was just being a complete ass to everyone in the guild every time they were on, and the guild leader removed them with out asking "can I remove this ass hole from my guild?" you would leave?

That doesn't seem to make much sense.

[swaldman]

I see it as their guild, their rules. If their approach to organization is such that mains only is what works for them, so be it.

That isn't my style, but just b/c I don't run things that way doesn't mean someone else can't be successful running it that way.

Absolutely. But that doesn't answer my question. So far nobody has actually explained what the problem is with having alts in the guild. That's what I'm curious about.

[Davemetalhead]

Absolutely. But that doesn't answer my question. So far nobody has actually explained what the problem is with having alts in the guild. That's what I'm curious about.

It's probably because "serious" raid guilds want members to concentrate on one character only, and build that character to make them raid ready. Having alts can distract from that ...

[swaldman]

It's probably because "serious" raid guilds want members to concentrate on one character only, and build that character to make them raid ready. Having alts can distract from that ...

Oh.

*giggle*

That's just silly..... it's not as if forbidding alts in the guild is going to stop people having alts...

[moopy]

Oh.

*giggle*

That's just silly..... it's not as if forbidding alts in the guild is going to stop people having alts...

Zaktly, it's just going to make them less available to the raid guild outside of raid times..

[swaldman]

Zaktly, it's just going to make them less available to the raid guild outside of raid times..

"outside raid times"? There is such a place? :rolleyes:

My experience is that the more serious a guild is about raiding, the more they tend to loose interest in anything else, unless it is in some way related to raiding (e.g. farming, or running something over and over again for a particular item). Everything has to have a "purpose" which will further raiding, and they don't tend to understand the concept of doing something for fun...

Of course there are rare exceptions, one of which I'm lucky enough to find myself in at present (I hope :cool:)

[Janfader]

Why delete? because there are toon that haven't been logged on in over a month. They haven't been played in a while and probably won't get played for a while. If they ever go back to that toon, they can just ask for another invite.

And I never hamper on anyone unless they are asking for something completly outragous. Like last week, some new recruit was asking for 20g, wouldn't say why, and got all pissed off when no one gave (not barrowed, gave) him the gold. He got a warning. My guild is a really laid back guild that raids aly towns about once a week. We're not a bunch of nazi's, controlling what people do in the guild.

And you say:



Are you an officer? If not, if someone was just being a complete ass to everyone in the guild every time they were on, and the guild leader removed them with out asking "can I remove this ass hole from my guild?" you would leave?

That doesn't seem to make much sense.

I was making the reference to the whole cleaning up alts that "you" didn't know who they belonged to or toons that haven't logged on lately - that you said you would just delete/get rid of.

That's just a little odd. I would hope being an officier, you would be informed of a new member joining much like myself. My guild leader would never do things without asking everyone and especially myself about getting rid of guild memeber. Maybe I'm missing something. :ponder:

[SirBazturd]

My guild leader would never do things without asking everyone and especially myself about getting rid of guild memeber. Maybe I'm missing something. :ponder:


I find asking all officers to give their opinion may take too long. For us, 2 officers have to agree with a gkick unless it is something extreme, in that case, screenies are posted.

[Janfader]

I find asking all officers to give their opinion may take too long. For us, 2 officers have to agree with a gkick unless it is something extreme, in that case, screenies are posted.

When we had a big guild (though I was not an officier), we had over 200 names at one point and every/other day the same characters would be on. After awhile I remember seeing a guild message saying "please let the officiers know which alts/invites you have made recently" or else thier records will be deleted/gone.

So essentially, our guild leader would have a master record of who was who. Not one toon on our guild was a ??? It just so happen that many were alts.

But seriously, who has made other characters on other servers? I know I have and haven't touched them in a long while. However, every once and while I'll play them just for the hell of it I guess.

[SirBazturd]

I find asking all officers to give their opinion may take too long. For us, 2 officers have to agree with a gkick unless it is something extreme, in that case, screenies are posted.


I meant gkick as more of a punishment then a cleansing of inactive accounts.

[Thargos]

I was making the reference to the whole cleaning up alts that "you" didn't know who they belonged to or toons that haven't logged on lately - that you said you would just delete/get rid of.

That's just a little odd. I would hope being an officier, you would be informed of a new member joining much like myself. My guild leader would never do things without asking everyone and especially myself about getting rid of guild memeber. Maybe I'm missing something. :ponder:

This is how my guild does recruitng/ adding alts blah blah.

You tell an officer/ who ever to invite randomAHmulealt300, and they invite the, and if they are an officer, put who's alt it is in the note. If an officer doesn't invite them, you need to send mail to the officer, or pst them. If nothing comes up in 2 weeks, and the character isn't logged on for x number of weeks, it just gets kicked out. It was wasting space in /saveguildroster.

You may think this is odd, but every one in the guild see nothing wrong with it, so there is no need to change it.

[Janfader]

This is how my guild does recruitng/ adding alts blah blah.

You tell an officer/ who ever to invite randomAHmulealt300, and they invite the, and if they are an officer, put who's alt it is in the note. If an officer doesn't invite them, you need to send mail to the officer, or pst them. If nothing comes up in 2 weeks, and the character isn't logged on for x number of weeks, it just gets kicked out. It was wasting space in /saveguildroster.

You may think this is odd, but every one in the guild see nothing wrong with it, so there is no need to change it.

That makes perfect sense and what the past two guilds I was in do (99% of the time).

[frimley]

... the character isn't logged on for x number of weeks, it just gets kicked out. It was wasting space in /saveguildroster.

Agree with this; I think I'm just getting tired of everyone rolling lots of alts, expecting them to be in the guild from level 1, even though they are only trying a class out and then never playing them again.

I have one guildie whose alt hadn't been played for 2 months - I was doing some housekeeping, asked him if he was likely to play the alt again and if not, could I kick it; he asked that it could stay, so I thought, fair enough, its just one char - 4mths later and he still hasn't logged on to it :shocked:

[thedirty]

I am in 3 guilds, 2 don't allow alts, and the other one does.

The 2 that don't allow alts, one of them is a twink guild, so twinks only (well, technically, if you have multiple twinks, they would be allowed, but not random alts).

The other one is a raiding guild, only allows level 60+ members in it, all other characters are in a sister guild (which none of my alts are a member of).

Then there is the guild that I co-started, which is a pvp based guild that allows anyone who wants to be a part of it in (we don't actively recruit, mostly real life friends and people who like hanging with us in game). Most of my characters are in this guild.

[Mesmer]

We allow alts and tag them in the personal message with the main. If the main guild gets too big we will simply open an alt guild with a shared channel. It is too much hassle to go chasing people who are logged on an alt for runs etc. I would hate to think that guildies had to take a PUG member on a run simply because I was stuffing around on an alt and they didn't know I was online. Also I have found that I have started alts that suit the guild i.e. we only had a few high level rogues in the guild so I thought hell that would be a fun alt (coming for a holy pally!).

oh course as soon as I was addicted to my new rogue ... poof ... there were 5 new rogues in the guild (3 new members and a couple of new alts) :grin: but hell i'm still having a lot of fun to playing him.

[Naolin]

we allow alts, however as an RP guild we do expect people to do our great RP interview before joining.
To keep in contact we have a seperate channel we use (our out of character channel) so even if you are in a different guild it wouldn't matter much if you join that channel.

[swaldman]

I am in 3 guilds, 2 don't allow alts, and the other one does.

The 2 that don't allow alts, one of them is a twink guild, so twinks only (well, technically, if you have multiple twinks, they would be allowed, but not random alts).

OK, that makes sense, because you want to ensure that anybody with that guild name over their head is a twink. Fair enough.

The other one is a raiding guild, only allows level 60+ members in it

Why?

[Janfader]

OK, that makes sense, because you want to ensure that anybody with that guild name over their head is a twink. Fair enough.



Why?


I'm guessing end game raiding, meaning 60+ raids only.

[thedirty]

Why?

Because that is how the guild master and officers wanted it? Since most of the alts are in the other guild, it is real easy to who "guild name" and see who is on if they are needed for anything, and as far as raids, they do the signups on the forums.

[swaldman]

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[swaldman]

Because that is how the guild master and officers wanted it?

But why? Of course people are welcome to do that if they want, but I don't understand the point.

Since most of the alts are in the other guild, it is real easy to who "guild name" and see who is on if they are needed for anything, and as far as raids, they do the signups on the forums.

Even easier to have them in the same guild, with the advantage of them being able to participate in /g chat as well.

[thedirty]

But why? Of course people are welcome to do that if they want, but I don't understand the point.

I didn't make the rules, I am but a member of that guild. You would have to log into firetree, /w renik, and ask him yourself if you really want an answer to this.



Even easier to have them in the same guild, with the advantage of them being able to participate in /g chat as well.

Maybe so, but they prefer it that way, so that's how it is.