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Sonya of Red
24-07-2007, 12:19 AM
A gold grinding guide for the non gold grinder (say that ten times quickly)

This is a guide to non-gold grinding. Essentially what that means is that this is a guide for the average player to accumulate in game wealth without specifically focusing on the gathering of said wealth. If you are specifically looking for a guide that discusses how to maximize you gold in take this is not it. If you follow the steps outlined here you will not be the richest player on your server but you will have plenty of gold to meet you needs including being able to obtain your various mounts when you meet their level requirements.

Why you should listen to me.

First off, I cannot emphasize enough that there are tons of people in World of Warcraft that have more gold then I and easily make more gold then I do per hour. I don’t claim to be the richest person in Azeroth or even the best gold grinder out there because I am neither of these. My only qualifications are these, I started playing Wow about a year and a half ago. During that time I have leveled 3 characters to 60+ and countless others to lower levels. Every character I have created has always been able to afford his level 40 mount by at the latest level 30 and his epic mount by 50. In all cases the gold for the mounts was acquired effortlessly – meaning no gathering profession grinded like crazy or deep analysis of the machinations or the Auction house. My current character, who is now level 55, had over four hundered gold when it came time for him to purchase his level 40 mount and currently has over 1000 gold despite the fact that he has sent lots of gold to a lower level tailor alt, grinded one of his primary professions (alchemy) to 300, respeced countless numbers of times (thank god for the 25 gold limit here), and bought 5 slots in his bank. I don’t state these facts to brag because really they are not that impressive. I state them to show that even the most casual of player can acquire gold easily.

My assumptions

If you are reading this guide, I am assuming that you are either new to World of Warcraft or have decided to roll a new character on a new server (a server where you do not have access to a nice high level character who can proffer gold to his younger siblings).

The Commandments: the Bible has ten I only have five - aren’t you lucky!

First commandment - thou shall not buy the latest and greatest. Yes nice equipment is well – nice. Having an epic sword is a great feeling but if your interest is to level at a normal rate, you will soon outgrow even the greatest of epics swords and all of a sudden that awesome Krol’s blade that you spent 400 gold on at level 51 will vendor for less than 6 gold ten levels later. This does not mean that you should never spend gold in the AH just don’t go crazy. I tend to upgrade my equipment every 10 or more levels (all told I will go through a complete wardrobe change usually within 15 levels). Personally, I almost never spend more than four gold on any one purchase. I want to reiterate, I did not say don’t spend gold. Some people will tell you to get all your gear from instances and quests; If you like that sort of thing - that’s fine. In the long run it will probably save you lots of money but there is no reason to be that parsimonious. By the way, if you really want some nice gear then take a break from the pve content and hit some Battle grounds. Easy and cheap way to get nice gear and often times can be lots of fun especially when your side wins :).

Second Commandment- thou shall get bags. As you make your way through the game, storage space is invaluable – the more the better. I usually, by level 7, take a few hours to pick up the profession of mining and grind a bunch of stacks of copper so that I can purchase a full set of bags (10 to 12 slot bags depending on cost – these will later be upgraded to 16 slot netherweave bags when I find them on sale). By the way, this will be the only time I will ever again mention specifically grinding for gold. After you get these bags you should never need to purposely gold grind again. On my server, copper goes between 1 to 3 gold a stack so in a couple hours I easily have 10 gold or more. After this if you want to ditch mining go ahead. It’s a great profession for bringing in money but in all honesty, most of the gold I make does not come from my professions.

Commandment Three - Thou shall get the addon Auctioneer. For those who don’t know, Auctioneer is an addon that scans the Auction House and keeps track of how much things sell for. A couple of things about Auctioneer. Auctioneer is a great tool but it has its weaknesses. For example, many servers have peak periods where certain items sell for more than they would at other times. For example, before a BG weekend, often times people will stock up on bandage materials or specific potions. During these peak times certain items sell for more than they usually do. If you really want to maximize your profit it is good to develop a sense for how the items that you are selling fluctuate (this obviously has more to do with consumables such as minerals, potions, herbs and cloth). For example, going back to copper again, on my server I know that the price fluctuates between 1 and 3 gold. It behooves me to sell my wares when the ah price for copper is near 3 gold and not when it is closer to 1 gold. If I relied simply on Auctioneer to set my prices I would not be able to capitalize on the market fluctuations. By the way, many people like to play the Auction House game: buying low and selling high. I don’t. Its not that you won’t make money, if done correctly you will and probably lots of it. For myself I don’t enjoy the whole Auction House thing and have a very low threshold for financial risk.

One of the best uses for Auctioneer is that often times it saves you from vendoring an item that one might assume to be useless. For example, I have made tons of gold off of clam meat. That’s right, clam meat. How many times have you found clam meat and either tossed it or sold it to the vendor? Turns out, at least on my server, people buy it up like Big Macs. Often times it goes for 2 to 3 gold a stack and I have sold it for up to 6 gold a stack. Without auctioneer giving me a median price for this delicious delicacy I would never have assumed clam meat had any worth and would never have bothered keeping it. Get in the habit of having auctioneer price the various junk you pick up, you never know - one man’s junk is another man’s treasure.

Commandment Four - thou shall Clip thy coupons. Ok, there are no coupons in World of Warcraft but the meaning is the same, be a conscientious shopper. If you know that in a couple of levels you will be replacing that rusty dagger then start looking now. Place some bids on some things you would like to have, or if you see a great deal buy it. The key here is that time is on your side. Don’t feel like you have to buy the second you decide you want to upgrade. A desperate buyer is a shopper waiting to be taken advantage of.

Commandment Five - thou shall gind smart. If you are grinding to level quickly, pick mobs that have decent drops. When I say decent drops I am not talking about blue and purple gear. That stuff for the most part (instances not included) is not mob specific. And while getting the random blue or purple BOE is awesome its not the way to make money – just as playing the lottery is not the way to earn a living. Grind instead on mobs that drop cloth, or clam meat or some other thing that can stack and sells well on your server. My current character has found only two blue boe’s and both have sold for less than 30 gold. From my own experience, simply by vendoring the vendor trash and auctioning the stackable materials and all the greens I find, by level 20 I am usually making at least 20 gold per level. That's not earth shattering and you might now want write home and tell mom about it but that means by the time you hit level 40 you will have plenty of gold for you mount. By level 45 I am usually making at least 75 gold a level. Again, nothing to brag about, but still very decent and easily obtainable by even the most casual of players. Warning, about auctioning your greens. I have a rule that has served me well. If an item does not sell after the first time I put it up in the Auction House, I will usually vendor it. This may surprise some readers but, auction house fees can be expensive. I would rather cut my losses then risk taking even more gold and time losses on an item. Also, I tend to price my green items for less than the going market price. The key here is that the item sells and I make a profit. Please, don't take this as a commandment. If you think that an item will sell and that you can make gold from it, then by all means relist it. All I ask, is that in your dealings with the Auction House you remember that there is an associated cost.

Conclusion

That’s it, that’s all you need to know. As you can see there is no special trick and not much effort is required. If you take these commandments to heart you should easily have all the gold that you will need to make your trip though the lands of Azeroth comfortable while not hindering your enjoyment of the game.

~red

Gavriel
24-07-2007, 12:37 AM
Post it in the guides section? There are already some fabulous gold earning guides there and this would be a good supplement to them.

irogue
24-07-2007, 11:30 PM
I like this guide because it is very similar to what I am doing, it is easy to understand and it has sense of humor (important).

One thing I like to add is the buying from the AH.
Research the price on the internet before you buy it. Let's say you bought a nice weapon such as a Widowmaker dagger for 50g (the average price on the internet), you check the widowmaker dagger price on the AH sometimes. If you see it again for 30g, buy it and resell it for 50g or higher. If it does not sell, drop the price a little bit and re-list it. I bought one for myself and sold two on the AH. I made 20g and 15g.

Paid 50g – earned (25g + 10g + 5g)= 10g (paid)

Same as other items you are familiar with like your profession items or ingredients. You sell herbs and you found some herbs are too much cheaper than you were used to list. If not many are listed, buy them all and sell them to your desire price.

I personally don’t like the AH game – buy low and sell high. I rather hang out with my friends doing quests or instance. However, to sell my own stuff, it is inevitable to play the AH game.

I have about 200g+ now and I have 2 low lvl 30s characters (herb/alchemy/tailor/enchanting). I have not even sold any of my herb on the AH yet. I did sell some cloth boots and robes, though.

:smiley:

Aerath
25-07-2007, 02:07 AM
Always thought there was a 50g limit on respeccing...

And, no offense, but I do feel a large portion of it boils down to common sense and "get auctioneer".

//edit: Then again... we all know common sense isn't.

thedirty
25-07-2007, 05:05 AM
One thing I reccomend is to take up enchanting, and get it up to at least 225. I reccomend doing this later on, like 50+ though, just so that you can power level it without really spending too much money on it. It's a little known fact that enchanting ends up being one of the best moneymakers in the game, but as the saying goes, it takes money to make money. Well, there are ways around that, will just take time instead of money...

The reason I say enchanting is because while it is a painful process to level it, once you get it up, you will make a ton of gold disenchanting those quest items you can't use and would normally vendor, or the greens that you were going to vendor because they didn't sell on the ah. 225 enchanting will let you disenchant up to level 63 items, 275 enchanting will let you DE everything but 70 epics, and 300 will let you disenchant those.

My trick to that is going thru an instance like rfc or deadmines, killing everything in sight and grabbing up all the greens to disenchant for mats that you will use to level with, you can get your enchanting up to around 125-150 easily on this instance alone, and can clear it very fast at 50+. From 150-225, you will need to move onto instances such as sfk, bfd, and rfk, which a 50 will be able to easily solo. Once at 225, no worries really until you get above level 64 or so. 225-275 takes alot more expensive materials than the previous 225 points combined though, so you may not want to keep going after that, but if you find that DEing has made you some money, then keep going, you could run thru SM and DE the drops there (if you are a stealth class, you could make money stealth running herod over and over for his blue drops which DE into small radiant shards in fact, you would only need to be a 125 enchanter for that even, which takes no time to get to! Those sell for 5-10g on my server, and it's a guaranteed shard a run. My rogue can run thru there 5 times in 20 minutes, which is 25-50g for 20 minutes! Non stealth classes can still run it fairly quickly, but not as fast since they will need to kill some things on the way there; Later on, if you are a stealth class and have another stealth class helping, you can 2 man instances like BRD and make a ton of gold with only a 225 skill, me and a rogue friend 2 man brd killing only the bosses (we skip a few out of the way ones to maximize g/hr) and get about 9 Large Brilliant Shards a 20 minute run which sell for 8-12g each, with a few small brilliants and every 10 runs or so, a nexus crystal, just the large brilliants alone will make on average 90g a run, or 270g an hour, split between 2 people, that is about 135g an hour, and that doesn't even count the other shards!)

Gavriel
25-07-2007, 05:20 AM
Once at 225, no worries really until you get above level 64 or so. 225-275 takes alot more expensive materials than the previous 225 points combined though, so you may not want to keep going after that, but if you find that DEing has made you some money, then keep going, you could run thru SM and DE the drops there (if you are a stealth class, you could make money stealth running herod over and over for his blue drops which DE into small radiant shards in fact, you would only need to be a 125 enchanter for that even, which takes no time to get to! Those sell for 5-10g on my server, and it's a guaranteed shard a run. My rogue can run thru there 5 times in 20 minutes, which is 25-50g for 20 minutes!

This would be a good moment for you to pause and bask in the warm applause emmanating from this end of the internet. That sir is very useful advice. I do believe I will put that into practice this weekend. I thank you.

Sonya of Red
25-07-2007, 06:51 AM
Always thought there was a 50g limit on respeccing...

And, no offense, but I do feel a large portion of it boils down to common sense and "get auctioneer".

//edit: Then again... we all know common sense isn't.

you are I am sure correct in regards to respecing cost I have a few characters that I have been experimenting with so I was probably just confused.

bwirum
25-07-2007, 08:30 AM
It's 50g, but this is still a very nice writeup of reminders of the small and smart things to do.

Aerath
25-07-2007, 11:43 AM
My apologies about the slightly grumpy response Sonja (though it goes with the character. That, and age).

It just appears that every time someone writes a "make gold ez!"-guide, they mention a bunch of things, then toss in 'oh, and get auctioneer' somewhere.
Auctioneer is not the alpha-omega. In fact, if everyone followed that advise, it'd run itself out of business.

bwirum
25-07-2007, 12:40 PM
My apologies about the slightly grumpy response Sonja (though it goes with the character. That, and age).

It just appears that every time someone writes a "make gold ez!"-guide, they mention a bunch of things, then toss in 'oh, and get auctioneer' somewhere.
Auctioneer is not the alpha-omega. In fact, if everyone followed that advise, it'd run itself out of business.

But, and there's a big but here. Sonja didn't tell you to get auctioneer to grind gold at the AH, like everyone else does. She gives you the simplest reasons of all to get it:

One of the best uses for Auctioneer is that often times it saves you from vendoring an item that one might assume to be useless. For example, I have made tons of gold off of clam meat. That’s right, clam meat.

And that's probably what most people actually use it for most of the time. That and having a clue of what to post stuff on the AH for. I dare say that it's minority that uses it to search for deals and "buy low/sell high".

nolaron
25-07-2007, 12:42 PM
Guide seems good advice but the key (besides AH monitoring) is finding mobs with good stuff. I am lvl 42 KE Warrior. The quests I go on don't produce anything much: silver drops, vendor stuff and an occasional AH piece. I also mine, can produce bronze, but my copper stacks of 20 have only brought less than 1g. My experience is pretty different from the guide and had to borrow money for my level 40 mount. I don't upgrade equipment much and have about 14 g currently, with grinding, mining and skinning.

Sonya of Red
26-07-2007, 06:54 AM
Guide seems good advice but the key (besides AH monitoring) is finding mobs with good stuff. I am lvl 42 KE Warrior. The quests I go on don't produce anything much: silver drops, vendor stuff and an occasional AH piece. I also mine, can produce bronze, but my copper stacks of 20 have only brought less than 1g. My experience is pretty different from the guide and had to borrow money for my level 40 mount. I don't upgrade equipment much and have about 14 g currently, with grinding, mining and skinning.

Nolaron's experience is not atypical. I so often hear from other players frustration with not being able to afford their various mounts. One of the common sentiments I am hearing as I read through the responses to my guide is that my suggestions/commandments are simply common sense and I agree I don't believe that making gold in Wow requires some cool trick. I am not saying the tricks or methods such as disenchanting or buying low and selling high don't work, they do but I just don't believe the average player needs to invest their time or effort in these regards especially if their gold needs are, like mine, simple (as long as I have money for my mounts I am happy anything more is just gravy).

For those who feel they are already taking the simple steps I have outlined then I would ask you to really consider your expenses and income- something is going on, money is being siphoned off somewhere.

As was mentioned mob selection is important. If you are making your way through the game simply through quest you may be missing out on some very nice mobs (althoug, I have done the whole quest thing and did not experience any problems with money - always had plenty.

If you look at it from analytical view money intake should never really be an issue.

Focusing on just materials not green drops.

Levels 5-20
Starting herbs should go for 10-20 silver a stack. At the end of a typical playing session I think it would be reasonable to have at a minimum 3 or 4 stacks of this stuff without much effort - not really deviating from your actual quests.

Copper I would assume on most servers goes for on average no less than 75 silver a stack and on most servers probably more. Again acquiring 3-4 stacks is not unreasonable during a typical session.

Linen tends to sell between 20-40 silver a stack and if your quests involve Humanoids getting 5 stacks of this should be simple.

Light leather 10-20 silver a stack and if your a skinner you probablybringing in at least 4 to five stacks of these a level.

Notice the amounts of potential income I am talking about here and all this is easily ubtainable by level 6. I am not even mentioning the higher level stuff: briartorn, tin, wool... Which go for a lot more a stack. If you are gathering this stuff then I really cannot fathom why money problems would be an issue unless it is being siphoned off somewhere else.

By the way, I would expand upon this further but I am currently on day one of eight where my only access to the net is through my iPhone and despite what you may have heard text entry on this device is a bit laborious. So, if this post is a bit hard to follow realize thaty thoughts are going much to quick for my text input method.

Wintrow
26-07-2007, 10:05 AM
The real killer is the bags.

You keep all the Junk and unneeded Common you're collecting and they'll net you WAY more than the Uncommon's. Trick is to kill the same type of mobs per session. If you kill 100 spiders you'll have neat stacks of ichors and venom sacs and spider meat. If you kill 20 spiders, 20 earth elementals, 20 wolves, ... Each will drop different "Junk" and your bagspace will rapidly decline.

nolaron
26-07-2007, 01:42 PM
To anyone: seems I ought to know this by now but what is considered a "stack"? is it the limit of 20 individual pieces per bag slot? If so, I am usuallu unloading much less than stacks at AH.

odinsnephew
26-07-2007, 01:49 PM
To anyone: seems I ought to know this by now but what is considered a "stack"? is it the limit of 20 individual pieces per bag slot? If so, I am usuallu unloading much less than stacks at AH.

For example: Linen cloth.

This stacks in lots of 20. If you are out grinding a few humanoids you will pick up linen cloth as you go. When you reach 20 this is the limit in one bag space, anymore you pick up will start to "stack" in another bag slot.

In the AH people sometimes sell in stacks, or sometimes will put in lesser amounts. A good example would be armor kits which people would put in between 1 & 4 as you can only use these on upto 4 armor slots, so stacking in 20 doesnt make a lot of sense as people might only want 1 or 2, or all 4.

Not all stack in 20 though. Some stack in 5 or 10. I have the "Auctioneer" mod which when you hover over an item in your bags, vendor, AH etc, will show you the amount the particular item stacks in. I forget if this is also available without the mod as I have had it for so long!

PlayThemAll
26-07-2007, 03:53 PM
One of the things I use Auctioneer for is to check the vendor price on quest reward items. If I complete a quest and none of the rewards are usefull to me, I always choose the one with the highest vendor value. It may only mean the difference of a few silver or gold but it adds up over time.

Also the ability to post multiple stacks of an item in one step is a big time saver after a session of gathering/grinding.

rgirty
26-07-2007, 04:25 PM
The principle to making money via the ah is to find an item with a medium/high demand and supply it cheaper than anyone else while still maintaining an acceptable profit.

This can be done by farming the item, creating the item or simply buying the item and relisting it for a higher price.

Right now, on my server bags are in short supply. With the thousands of people who have tailoring for the tailored epics, I would think there would be more than 8-10 netherweave/imbued netherweave bags on the AH but there simply is not.

I have been buying stacks of netherweave for 3-4g per stack and selling netherweave bags for 8-9g each everyday for weeks now. 15+ bags a day at 4-5g profit. I still don't understand why some tailors have not caught on. It is truly like free money, it takes about 5-10 minutes while i'm gathering the raid to basically make 60-75g (enough to fund my raiding). Faster than daily questing for me, I don't get much time for that anymore with all the raiding.

nolaron
26-07-2007, 08:16 PM
to Tikki: trying out your Executus realm as Human Warrior "Cajundad". Look me up. Is there a guild I should join?
:cool:

xDarkDrifterx
26-07-2007, 08:27 PM
One of the things I use Auctioneer for is to check the vendor price on quest reward items. If I complete a quest and none of the rewards are usefull to me, I always choose the one with the highest vendor value. It may only mean the difference of a few silver or gold but it adds up over time.

Same here . . . don't know what I did without it (though I got it after I hit 70 lol)

Now, all my alts use it and I am able to note which of the junk items I'm picking up (that I had been destryong / selling to the vendor before) are actually junk and which will make me some money per my current server prices.

Just gotta be sure to run it every weekend at least (if not more).