Would you be interested in playing in an official 60lvl max (legacy) server?

[Sturmbringe]

Hello people,

Like many of you, I have been playing since 2004. I have been thinking these past few days about where this game is headed and exactly how much disappointed I was with the TBC expansion.

The reason I did not like TBC, was that it was in my opinion "very UnWoW-ish". Pls bear with me for inventing words here, English is not my native language. I suppose I think that TBC was very unlike the original (legacy) WoW that I loved. Following TBC, the game started to change to something different than the legacy WoW that I used to enjoy.

Of course, like many of you, I am not at all impressed with the upcoming WOTLK expansion. I don't think that it will bring back the original feel of legacy WoW, but still I will buy it just to level up my character to PvP at even odds. PvP is just about the sole activity I enjoy in this game. I suppose I am a bit of a lone wolf.

In any case, suppose that Bliz announced the launching of a legacy server, let's say up to patch 1.10, just an example, non-upgradeable. The question is:

Would you give up your current toons in up-to-date servers to play in the legacy server? I would. Let's see what you think.

Cheers

[det]

Nope..wouldn't do. I love TBC and I am excited about WotLK

[Burntmeat]

nope.. Grinded the old stuff way to much, getting 3 chars to 60.

[Gavriel]

"<i>Bad idea. IMHO legacy WoW sucks. I like TBC better.</i>", I disagree with that statement, but it is the closest match for what I am feeling.

All content in the game has it's place and from 1 to 60 that place is in Azeroth. Every level is filled with wonder and excitement, albeit that tends to diminish a bit when you replay it for the nth time.

Naturaly progression lures me to Outlands, and from there onwards to greater and more heroic deeds in Northrend. I see no reason to stop at Savior of Azeroth when I could be aiming for Savior of the Galaxy.

[Stigg]

/shrug

If I could recreate my mage as she stood at level 60, before the honor nerf and TBC came out, I would love to experience what I wasn't able to with gear and level appropriate characters. Granted, I wouldn't drop any of my characters to do it now, I would however do some Naxx raids on my off-raiding nights that I currently run in TBC.

Good suggestion!

[theseus]

Bad suggestion: Think back, was it really all gumdrop buttons and rainbows? TBC has its faults sure *cough Karazhan cough* but its a different improvement on Vanilla WoW.

[JaedxRapture]

No. Never. Ever.

[NOYB]

Such is the nature of progress. New content displaces the old. What I'm feeling is that some people never wanted a level increase. They're fine with new content. Just no new levels. Which begs the question. Why? What sound reason is there, other than nostalgia?

[Findariel]

I don't think it's a bad idea per sé but no chance I will start all over again.

[Your Average WoW Player]

I could *maybe* find myself doing that, but I've never been one for Alts, so I then again maybe wouldn't. But besides, I like my TBC well enough, and I am getting a little psyched up for WotLK.

[Twoflower]

Bad suggestion: Think back, was it really all gumdrop buttons and rainbows? TBC has its faults sure *cough Karazhan cough* but its a different improvement on Vanilla WoW.

what is wrong whit karazhan ?? it is the most played instance since a month or so after BC release.

[thedirty]

I guess I am in the minority then if most players are disappointed in BC and not looking forward to WotLK. I for one thought the expansion was wonderful, and can't wait to see the new lands in Northrend. Not looking forward to another 10 level grind on my characters, but that's how it goes...

[Sturmbringe]

Such is the nature of progress. New content displaces the old. What I'm feeling is that some people never wanted a level increase. They're fine with new content. Just no new levels. Which begs the question. Why? What sound reason is there, other than nostalgia?

Okay, let me put it this way:

I mostly PvP in WoW like I said before. However, apart from PvP, WoW for me is:

a. Being in Feralas and just enjoying the scenery. Passing outside Dire Maul and seeing a raid group preparing to enter.

b. Being in the Tidus Stair and just enjoying the scenery.

c. Passing through Ashenvale enjoying the wonderful scenery, stopping by at Maestra's Post, stopping by at Astranaar to smash the inevitable Horde "raid" who're ganking Alliance lowbies, then chase them out.

d. Defending Darkshore/Auberdine from a Horde raid and then just wonder about in Darkshore.

e. Defending Southshore from a Horde raid, or just gank the Horde there who're attacking our lowbies. Perhaps even raid Tarren Mill.

f. Sentinel Hill. This is my typical hangout. In my server it's being raided by Horde every 30 minutes on average. It's cool to jump the unsuspecting Horde 70's who 're just smashing around our lowbies. I've spent countless hours in Sentinel Hill. Great outdoor PvP.

g. Duelling outside IF with 100 people watching.

h. Walking the streets of SW which are full to the brim with players darting here and there.

i. Running Baron Riverdale's Gauntlet and finishing it under the time limit.

j.Raiding Onyxia, ZG, etc.

k. Sitting on the beach in Tanaris along with my gf and just relax enjoying the tropical beach-type scenery.

l. Making a trip to Darnassus to defend against a Horde raid, and then relax down by the beach just enjoying the scenery and the calming WoW elvish music.

m. Making a trip to Un' Goro crater with good company for sight-seeing.

In short terms, Azeroth is a virtual world I really enjoy playing in. Outlands is a virtual world I do NOT enjoy playing in. With the exception of Nagrand, if find the rest of it ranging from distasteful to depressing.

I log in WoW not only to PvP or very rarely do the occassional raid, but also to enjoy the beautiful scenery and socialise with friends in a beautifully designed online scenery. Azeroth had many, many very well designed and beautiful zones, and a lot of people's playtime was spent there. Like I said, I find little if anything at all which is attractive in the Outlands, and this tends to have an effect on me that compels me to avoid it as much as possible. From what I hear, I am not quite the only one who thinks that way.

The presence of other players also contributes to one's enjoyment of the game, I think. A half-empty SW or an empty IF makes me feel bad. I just can't bring myself to re-settle or quite enjoy being in Shat, I suppose.

I think the solution for me or such as me would be a legacy server. I really do not like the Devs' new concept of WoW as expressed with the BC and the new WOTLK expansion.

[Icefrost]

While I wouldn't want to revert my level 60+ characters from all their outland gear & rep, I would certainly love the idea of starting an alt on a server like this to play the lvl 60 game. In fact, you'd most likely find me playing on that server a lot more than my regular outland characters.
In short terms, Azeroth is a virtual world I really enjoy playing in. Outlands is a virtual world I do NOT enjoy playing in.
Couldn't say that better myself.

[clevins]

I hear what you're saying about scenery... but that's partly a result of outland being what it is, a fragment of a destroyed planet... If anything Nagrand and Zangarmarsh are the odd zones out there.

If it's scenery you like though, the LK expansion should please you. The the very least the starting zones seemed to be very scenic.

And, frankly, what' stopping you from hanging in Tanaris on the beach now??

[Maticus]

I can definitely identify with what you're saying Sturmbringe. I too enjoy the atmosphere in Azeroth more so than Outland, and it seems a crying shame that the old raid sites such as Molten Core, Blackwing Lair, Naxxramus and Onyxia's Lair, which were always teeming with activity, now lie abandoned and desolate in favour of places like Karazhan and Gruul's Lair. Of course people aren't going to go there just for the sake of it, the drops are obsolete now, or items of the same quality can be obtained in the first few areas of Outland.

This is why I think a legacy server would be fantastic, for those of us who perhaps didn't get to see the full extent of the previous end-game raids, or would just like a trip back in time to when Onyxia couldn't be two-manned, it was a challenge for a group of 40 decent-geared casual players.

I wouldn't give up my characters that are lvl 60+, but i would certainly make an alt on a legacy server, should Blizz ever decide to make one.

And just out of interest for anyone who didn't know, Blizz are planning on moving Naxxramus to Northrend when the expansion goes live, so those of us who never got to see it when it was worth going will get another opportunity :grin:

Also, as Clevins said, Northrend promises to be very much more scenic than Outland, with forests, mountains, lakes etc. Though I guess if Outland had been a carbon copy of Azeroth, it wouldn't have been so spectacular when first viewed :cool:

[moopy]

Nostalgia ain't what it used to be.

[bwirum]

Nostalgia ain't what it used to be.
:laughing: Good point!

[PlayThemAll]

Heck Yes!

The grandeur of TBC wore off for me before I even got out of Hellfire. Maybe I'm just burned out or losing interest but BC has become a drag. At this point in time, I really don't have much interest in the next expansion. I've only been playing low level alts of late and have lost almost all interst in my main which has been sitting pretty much dormant for weeks. I hate raiding, do very few instances and am burned out on battlegrounds and BC content so there is no incentive for me to reach 70 or beyond.

My fall hunting seasons are almost here, hopefully a couple months break will clear my head and give me a fresh outlook.

[Janfader]

I voted for the lvl 60 server only because I never got to run any 10+ man instances before TBC, as I had bought the game just before TBC came out.

I felt ripped off bcause I was starting to get/quest for my tier .5 gear with my pally... spending SO much gold to acquire the... been so long I forget what its called. any how, I would love to try that again, however starting over... I dunno.

[Thargos]

I would play on it to do all the old school 40 raid instances.

[Caderbery]

I would proberly make a char on 2 on the legacy server becuase i would of like to do all the pre bc raids at the right level, but i certainly wouldnt quit the normal wow servers. I was upset to miss the last raids so why would i want to miss the BC Raids?

[Gavriel]

In short terms, Azeroth is a virtual world I really enjoy playing in. Outlands is a virtual world I do NOT enjoy playing in. With the exception of Nagrand, if find the rest of it ranging from distasteful to depressing.

Arenanet created a similar scenario when they released their first expansion, Guild Wars: Factions. The capital city of Kaineng was a dismal, opressive amalgamation of steel that formed a rusted shanty town. It was confusing, dark and dismal. Most players hated it. Some players looked at it and said: "The designers did well. They created something that reflected the mood of the citizens of that city to the players. They made the players *feel* something"

My lore leans towards the lower end of the scale here, but it seems to me that Outlands is meant to be an ugly, inhospitable place wracked with demons and other ill creatures. It's not meant to be home in the same way that bountiful Azeroth is. In fact, I'm damn well sure that the non-demonic inhabitants of Outlands agree with you - they quite likely do not enjoy playing in Outlands either.

But the World of Warcraft story line progresses as the Dark Portal opens, allowing heroes with courage in their hearts to step through into the dismal Outlands to follow the Betrayer and ultimately attempt to slay him. You can choose to do so, or if you prefer to stay back home in Azeroth - you can do so as well.

This does seem to be the nature of expansions though. The sheer, overwhelming mountain of nostalgia that players have built up over two years of questing in Azeroth makes it more difficult for any new content, no matter how well designed, to do anything more than create that initial WOW sensation followed rather rapidly by a "This is not Kansas anymore" type of feeling. Some players manage to look past that and enjoy the new content for what it is - others. Well.

[Aerath]

No thanks.

Wouldn't say old skool WoW sucks, but don't think I'd be returning.

[xDarkDrifterx]

No way.

It seems that you are very connected with this old world - maybe because of certain things in your personal life - maybe b/c of all the l33t gear that you had from all the time in Azeroth before the expansion. But after reading what wow means to you and is to you - how do any of the expansions change this? So you have to level up a bit and experience new content that you may or may not like - you don't know yet though if you are gonna like it - don't be afraid of change. You also say that:


In short terms, Azeroth is a virtual world I really enjoy playing in. Outlands is a virtual world I do NOT enjoy playing in. With the exception of Nagrand, if find the rest of it ranging from distasteful to depressing.

I log in WoW not only to PvP or very rarely do the occassional raid, but also to enjoy the beautiful scenery and socialise with friends in a beautifully designed online scenery. Azeroth had many, many very well designed and beautiful zones, and a lot of people's playtime was spent there. Like I said, I find little if anything at all which is attractive in the Outlands, and this tends to have an effect on me that compels me to avoid it as much as possible. .

Why not continue to do so? You say you're a lone wolf so to speak - just level up and get back to long walks on the beach and patrolling Ashenvalle etc. You don't have to be in OL or Northrend.

It seems tha a lot of your time was spent enjoying the scenery and traveling around protecting lowbies etc . . . that doesn't have to change for you.

Another option for you would be to twink it up at 59 and never go further.

GL though :smiley:

[bwirum]

Well, I kept a D2 classic account even though I mostly played LoD... I'd keep a char there for nostalgic reasons, but it wouldn't get played much.

[Sturmbringe]

Thanks to all for posting their opinion. It has been interesting to see what other people think on the topic of an official WoW legacy server.

[Pongle]

I would probably make a lv60 on a legacy server my main IF it was set back to patch 1.7 or something, 2.0 was horrible and now would still suck.

[Qwertius]

Very nice idea.. I think it could work, if only 1% of the players like it that's already more than enough.

For me the same is true. My best WoW days were in 2005- early 2006. amazing guild, MC BWL AQ. outdoor bosses, Opening the AQ gate.. PVP in a real PVP guild.

however the only reason I am not doing that in TBC, is because I don;t want to spend that much time anymore..

[Wintrow]

For me, I wouldn't want to throw away my investment in my copy of TBC. I'm L56 now and I wanna go see Outland real soon.

I also would be horrified to have to do it all over again on another server.

So, if we could copy over our character the way it was BEFORE we dinged L61 I'd be up for spending some time on such server. Otherwise, nothing more than making a L1 alt.

[poopsmcgee]

negatory. like legacy and tbc and am looking forward to wotlk.

[Zendarin]

I would play under certain conditions only. If Blizzard set up a legacy server but allowed you to export your character (for a fee) to a non legacy server (I am sure it would be a one way transfer much like PVP to PVE ok but not the other way around) I would roll on the legacy server just so I could experience the content that is no longer played now. Once I had gone through the raid progression (at least a portion of it) I would want to transfer my character to an up to date server and hit the outlands.

[NOYB]

The problem with that is if everyone followed that philosophy... no one would stay on the legacy server. Hence, the situation we have now.

The only way a legacy server works is if your toon is locked to that server.

[Zendarin]

The problem with that is if everyone followed that philosophy... no one would stay on the legacy server. Hence, the situation we have now.

The only way a legacy server works is if your toon is locked to that server.

I disagree. There would be some turnover, but many would stay (those that are there for nostalgic reasons like the OP come to mind). Also - since there would only be a few legacy servers, there would be a steady influx of new players who wanted to experience the old content.

If games like DAoC, Anarchy Online, and that one Microsoft put out that I don't remember the name of are still around with a devoted following and them not getting updates then a legacy server would last a good long time with those dedicated to it.

[NOYB]

You're talking about games with no potential for upgrade. If any of those games had expansion packs, I'll bet the members would move on in a heartbeat.

[bwirum]

You were able to move characters from D2 classic to D2 LoD as well, not everybody did it.

[niomosy]

I'd consider it. I didn't make 60 on my first char until TBC was already out, having bought the game later. It would be nice to experience the old 60's content that's mostly collecting dust now, surpassed by TBC.

On the other hand, I find that I'm probably more interested in getting LK, getting to 80, then going back to that 60's content at 80 since I'm more interested in just experiencing the content than with any of the drops from it. Sure, on a classic server, those drops are the "phat lewt" but I'd rather sit a bit more comfy at 80 with other 80's around me. Plus, I really don't feel like getting into a guild for a 40-man raid on a classic server.

If anything, it would be nice if Blizz considered improving the drop tables in some of these places, such that people aren't replacing some of this gear with quest reward greens from Outland.

[Vatudoing]

I have recently quit WoW and if they make a legacy server I would defently come back and play. I have experianced almost all of what TBC has to offer and well I think it sucks. I had way more fun playing the original Pre-BC wow. I have noticed that ever since the expansion came out that less and less people were playing not because they were quiting but TBC was made so people dont have to play that much to get what they want. While in the pre BC WoW it felt like way more people were playing because they were actually working hard to get something or accomplish something. Now with TBC everything is basically given to us by blizzard. The pvp gear is easy to get, raid gear is easy to get, and the craftable gear is easy to get. In pre-BC WoW when you saw a guy with full tier 1/2/3 or the full high warlord/grand marshall set/weapons you say to yourself dang that guy must be badass because you knew he has to have skills to get rank 14 or because he had to beat 39 other people to get his tiered set. Now with TBC getting epic items, recipes and pvp/glad. gear feels like you just bought a $.25 gumball form a gumball machine. So unless blizzard makes a pre BC server I will not be coming back to WoW. I guess ill start playing WC3 again or halo 3 when it comes out or something.

[Gavriel]

So unless blizzard makes a pre BC server I will not be coming back to WoW. I guess ill start playing WC3 again or halo 3 when it comes out or something.

Good for you. It's fabulous to see people make decisions and stick to them. I will admit however to finding it peculiar that you would register on a fansite just to tell us you won't be playing unless the company does something. But nonetheless, I find you willingness to make what must have been a difficult decision admirable.

[Xlorep DarkHelm]

First -- your poll is horribly skewed in favor of a particular viewpoint. I say it is a bad idea -- not because "legacy sucks, TBC is much better", but because of the simple logistics of having to maintain two different kinds of servers that would be so radically different it is not even easy to quantify. There is significant game changes involved with TBC, and having to maintain two separate repositories of code alone would cause such a task to be impractical.

Seriously, WoW servers now include TBC, you can't change that. If you don't want to play TBC, then by all means, don't. good luck finding people who want to do that as well, especially for those who want to do that, and get some perverse pleasure out of being stuck with the level 60 40-man raid instance content or other archaic features.

If you played StarCraft, do you keep two separate copies of the game -- one with Brood War, and one without? what about Warcraft 3 -- one with TFT, one without? No, it's silly, because the expansion becomes integrated into the game, and becomes part of what the game is. With WoW, it is even moreso, due to the networked design of a MMO.

[Shellar]

In any case, suppose that Bliz announced the launching of a legacy server, let's say up to patch 1.10, just an example, non-upgradeable.
1.10? Bah! A proper Legacy server should be 1.0, with old pre-review 31-point talent trees, no honor system whatsoever, no Warden, no anti-spam measures, and UBRS as the peak of PvE instancing.

[niomosy]

First -- your poll is horribly skewed in favor of a particular viewpoint. I say it is a bad idea -- not because "legacy sucks, TBC is much better", but because of the simple logistics of having to maintain two different kinds of servers that would be so radically different it is not even easy to quantify. There is significant game changes involved with TBC, and having to maintain two separate repositories of code alone would cause such a task to be impractical.

Seriously, WoW servers now include TBC, you can't change that. If you don't want to play TBC, then by all means, don't. good luck finding people who want to do that as well, especially for those who want to do that, and get some perverse pleasure out of being stuck with the level 60 40-man raid instance content or other archaic features.

If you played StarCraft, do you keep two separate copies of the game -- one with Brood War, and one without? what about Warcraft 3 -- one with TFT, one without? No, it's silly, because the expansion becomes integrated into the game, and becomes part of what the game is. With WoW, it is even moreso, due to the networked design of a MMO.

It's not that difficult and was done both with Diablo as well as around the time of the TBC launch. Remember, the servers already had the 2.0 code running before we had the client. They simply left the portal shut, no access to the new race areas, and the level cap at 60. That could be implemented in a "Classic" server as well. The rest of the code remains the same. No need to update multiple versions of the game.

[Xlorep DarkHelm]

It's not that difficult and was done both with Diablo as well as around the time of the TBC launch. Remember, the servers already had the 2.0 code running before we had the client. They simply left the portal shut, no access to the new race areas, and the level cap at 60. That could be implemented in a "Classic" server as well. The rest of the code remains the same. No need to update multiple versions of the game.

You are making a massive assumption that it is that easy, completely without knowing how everything is implemented. further, once the servers turn on, they *will* require maintenance, and will suddenly be quite a bit different, requiring a different codebase for maintenance. This makes a heterogeneous server environment, and increases the complexity to make everything work.

[moopy]

1.10? Bah! A proper Legacy server should be 1.0, with old pre-review 31-point talent trees, no honor system whatsoever, no Warden, no anti-spam measures, and UBRS as the peak of PvE instancing.

<cough>Plainsrunning!</cough>

Nostalgia ain't what it used to be.

[Smoochpums]

I wouldn't play on a server where it was ONLY the old instances, but I would very much like a server where theres oldschool people, and where they still do the old instances such as Naxx, BWL/MC/AQ40 now and then - I really, really miss those instances.
At the moment I am a level 60 priest, leveling to 70 - just started this toon a month ago.

[ZaxGreia]

It's not about how easy it is to do, it's about how successful. There might be enough people to populate such a server, but I'm guessing they wouldn't spend much time there. It'd be a ghost town most of the time.

I mean, look at what "legacy" Azeroth looks like lately. Take a jog into one of the old end-game instances and do a /who. It'll only show a couple groups in there, at most. Usually you're alone, or with a handful of other people.

It's just not tractable. Besides, there's so much more fun stuff to do than try to get together 40 people to progress through the old raid content. It'd be way easier to get 20 people at level 70 to do it, I think ;)