FuBar vs. Titan Panel

[Thargos]

I want to find out why people prefere one over the other. I like FuBar more. In this thread post like pro's and cons for both of the addons. Look at my answer for an example.

FuBar.
Pro: Less memory intensive than titan panel, more plugins, more bars.
Cons: I honsetly can't think of any..maybe the default background?

Titan Panel:
Pros: It looks a little better than fubar, some of the icons look better than the fubar ones.
Cons: Not updated any more (offically, and still it hasn't been updated to show addons memory usage.), you have to download plug-ins for it that are already in titan panel, but don't work unless you have the non-embedded ones, it's bloated, not a lot of plug ins, the durability one isn't that accurate.

I could think of more for both but I have to go.

Discuss :grin:

[Lothaer]

i prefer Titan Panel because it requires less setting up than FuBar and dosnt hook into every mod you have, also looks better than FuBar and as far as memory usage it really isn't that different.

FuBar
Ammo
Auditor
Clock
Durability
Experience
Honor
Item Bonuses
Location
Performance
Quest
Total Memory = 2.53MB

Titan
Ammo
Clock
Coords
HonorGrind
ItemBonuses
Money
Performance
Quests
Repair
XP

Total Memory = 2.17MB

So by my gathering when comparing JUST the Basic FuBar Package on this site Fubar Starter Pack (http://wowui.incgamers.com/?p=mod&m=4185) and Titan equivalents found in Titan Panel v3.0.7 (http://wowui.incgamers.com/?p=mod&m=1442) and Titan Panel [Quests] v0.22 (http://wowui.incgamers.com/?p=mod&m=4637) and Titan Panel HonorGrind 2.12 (http://wowui.incgamers.com/?p=mod&m=4540) Titan does use less UI memory but only just.

Also please note that these are only when comparing these two mods alone and not a hole package, its come to my attention that Ace's assumption of less UI memory only really works when using a **** tonne of them, so if you only wish to use a few mods then i think the best bet would be non-Ace mods, yes some Ace mods to use less memory when compared to the non-Ace but it also works in reverse ie Sphere vs LunarSphere :P, and really in the end it all comes down to personal preference Titan or FuBar its up to you.

rant over.

[Thargos]

I'm not trrying to be negative, but I'm guessing you where using embedded libraries when you tested FuBar. Which would mess everything up.

[Gavriel]

I'm not trrying to be negative, but I'm guessing you where using embedded libraries when you tested FuBar. Which would mess everything up.

My understanding based upon what I've read at WowAce seems to indicate that embedding is the preferred option for average users. Regardless, remember the warmup stats are quite frequently incorrect as the first garbage collection had not run. To quote from WowAce:

But this design bring up a few issues. Simply put, every mod that has an embed must load the embed into memory, check it's version against the ones already loaded, and either update or discard the version it loaded. This means that warmup's stats are going to go up. Now the confusion lies in the fact that many users take Warmup's numbers to be absolute stats on an addon. This is wrong and here is why...


Lets say we have three addons (X, Y, and Z) than use a library (L)

L's memory use at load is 10 KiB
X, Y, and Z each use 20 KiB

In the "classic" library design, each mod and the library would load separately. Warmup would report back

10, 20, 20, 20 (70 total)

In the new embed design the library would be loaded with each addon that uses it, so warmup would report back

30, 30, 30 (90 total)

Suddenly my memory use has gone up 20 KiB! Not true, for the library was loaded 3 times, but 2 versions were thrown out and only one was kept. On the next garbage collection cycle that extra 20 KiB will be reclaimed.

This might explain the difference for an embedded FuBar (default?) versus TitanPanel. Force a garbage collection after each test and check it again, Lothaer.

As to personal preference I would choose FuBar. Aesthetically and functionally I am not concerned with the differences. FuBar, because it is Ace based, makes the updating of mods so easy that my pet monkey could do it. That is why I choose FuBar.

Go you little monkey, go!

[Lothaer]

nope just a straight download as it is from this website, if you want i can do my test from the Ace Site using WAU, ill do it anyway.

OK i used the same FuBar mods, including the Lib: Ace2 and the total Memory Used was 2.63MB thats a .10MB increase the the standalone library.

@ Gavriel that is why i do use some Ace mods namely Omen, BigWigs, oRA2 (until CTRA2 comes out) and Incubator because i believe they are the best at what they do, also most of the updated that you get from WAU aren't really that necessary anyway.

[Thargos]

I just tested FuBar and Titan panel for a half hour each, and used AddOnUsage to test CPU memory (which is really what matters), and FuBar used less CPU. I didn't take any screen shots though...:P I'll take some tomarrow.

[Gavriel]

I just tested FuBar and Titan panel for a half hour each, and used AddOnUsage to test CPU memory (which is really what matters), and FuBar used less CPU. I didn't take any screen shots though...:P I'll take some tomarrow.

From memory, how marginal was the difference and what would the effect be?

[Ev_]

I haven't used Titan in a long time, so I'm not sure what Fubar features have been picked up by it.

Fubar's popularity has produced an enormous amount of plugins for it. And pretty much every Ace mod can anchor to it, giving you a one stop shop to access all your configuration.

The drag and drop configuration was it's original selling point for me, and still remains at the top of the list.

[Tunga]

I just tested FuBar and Titan panel for a half hour each, and used AddOnUsage to test CPU memory (which is really what matters), and FuBar used less CPU. I didn't take any screen shots though...:P I'll take some tomarrow."CPU memory"? You mean CPU time I assume. It's true though, CPU time and increasing memory rate is what counts, not static memory use on load. How much memory it's taking up is largely irrelevant considering how small it is in comparison with the amount of memory available in a mdoern PC. What counts is the amount of work that the addon makes the client do in terms of calculations and memory read/writes and thus how much garbage it creates which needs dealing with.

Since Fubar has a Titan texture option the looks argument doesn't hold much ground.
Fubar does require a little more work to set it up in that there is no default layout, but then that assumes the way you want it is roughly similar to Titan's default layout. Titan's click+drag is truly awful and you have to drag them four or five times to get it where you want it sometimes.

Other than that, no difference :grin: .

[syed]

Last time I compared the two ... there was no marginal difference.

Only why I liked Fubar is:

- Every ace Addon easily anchors with it
- Ace Updater solves the hurdle of updating each mod manually :D

These are the only reasons I used FuBar for. Between because of the popularity ratio, there have been a lot of addons on fubar lately.

Anyways, if there is an addon on Titan, there is one on FuBar. Both have them almost have the same set of addons, so hardly no addon comparision at all.

[Rushster]

I stick with Titan, used it since very early on and love it, see no need to change really, just like the way it works and as you say there's plenty of plugins.

[Thargos]

Anyways, if there is an addon on Titan, there is one on FuBar. Both have them almost have the same set of addons, so hardly no addon comparision at all.
There's way more plug-ins for fubar than titan panel.

[Lothaer]

most of the plugins for fubar are not really necessary though.

and i just found out that Titan Panel has been downloaded 2,280,335 times WoW thats alot, hey Rush what was the very first mod to be uploaded when the site first started???

[DrakkonDarkspell]

FuBar.
Pro: Less memory intensive than titan panel, more plugins, more bars.
Cons: I honestly can't think of any..maybe the default background?

Cons: Plug ins do not provide nearly enough adequate information, and way too much useless BS.

Titan Panel:
Pros: It looks a little better than fubar, some of the icons look better than the fubar ones.
Cons: Not updated any more (offically, and still it hasn't been updated to show addons memory usage.), you have to download plug-ins for it that are already in titan panel, but don't work unless you have the non-embedded ones, it's bloated, not a lot of plug ins, the durability one isn't that accurate.


Actually, its being fan-maintained, and it DOES show memory usage for add-ons, and I've never had to DL a single plug-in that was already a part of it. It runs smooth and clean, there are enough plug-ins to cover what I want to know, and they show me exactly the information I want, noone of the CRAP I don't care about, and the durability plug-in only glitches if you take your armor all the way down to 0%, which shouldn't happen unless you're a total noob moron.

And it looks a LOT better than FuBar. Get your facts straight.

[Malentra]

I use a lot of Ace2 mods (nearly all now) which typically have anchors for FuBar, meaning I can access the menu systems for most of my mods from the FuBar panels, as opposed to minimap icons. Personally I prefer this. Others may not.

Outside of the above feature, the differences between the two mods is slight from my point of view. I find FuBar a tad simpler to use and manage, and is easier to update and find the addons I need. (files.wowace.com + WowAceUpdater)

My friend still uses Titan Panel, and since he doesn't care one way or the other when it comes to FuBar anchors vs. Minimap Icons for his UI mod menus, he doesn't feel the need to change.

Personally, unless there is a specific plug-in or feature in either mod that you specifically desire, its a toss up between the two, with the edge being given to TitanPanel for looks (default only I guess, Fubar can be customized too), and FuBar for ease of management and updating.

A general note: Ace2 Mods seem to be the general trend these days, as people are moving to complete Ace2 UIs with Recount gaining popularity over SW_Stats, Pitbull/AG_Unitframes/Grid gaining huge popularity in the last few months, and Omen now taking over for KTM_Threatmeter, there's not much reason not to switch to a fully Ace2 (and therefore WowAceUpdater) compliant UI.

[Tunga]

Cons: Plug ins do not provide nearly enough adequate information, and way too much useless BS.Examples?

the durability plug-in only glitches if you take your armor all the way down to 0%, which shouldn't happen unless you're a total noob moronFirstly you can drop that tone and that language. Secondly this is quite common when raiding because you don't always want to go back out and repair before a boss attempt. Why bother to repair at 10-12% when you can easiyl get another attempt done with that? Yet if you wipe you'll probably be on zero. A bug is a bug, no excuses. You can't expect people to change their playstyle to adapt to a bug in a mod :) .

And it looks a LOT better than FuBar. Get your facts straight.In what sense? Fubar has a Titan texture option, you can change the font, font size, width, spacing, etc. What specifically looks better about Titan that you can't recreate on Fubar? Even if there is something, it's not a fact, it's called an opinion, something which we're all allowed to have on a discussion forum.

[PathMaster]

Cons: Plug ins do not provide nearly enough adequate information, and way too much useless BS.


Actually, its being fan-maintained, and it DOES show memory usage for add-ons, and I've never had to DL a single plug-in that was already a part of it. It runs smooth and clean, there are enough plug-ins to cover what I want to know, and they show me exactly the information I want, noone of the CRAP I don't care about, and the durability plug-in only glitches if you take your armor all the way down to 0%, which shouldn't happen unless you're a total noob moron.

And it looks a LOT better than FuBar. Get your facts straight.

I don't know what plugins you are using but mine provide the information that I want/need for me exactly how I want them. So there is no useless BS, to borrow your phrase.
The last I checked, some Titans addon were not as configurable as I would have liked, though this was a while a go. The Fubar plugins I use are very, very configurable. Violation is a great example of this. I can show all the type of info on the bar, or just in the tootip.
Besides, last I checked AuditorFu did not have a Titan alternative, that addon is a must have for me. Granted, if it is a fubar plugin it actually does not need fubar to run, just will clutter up your map.

[Thargos]

Cons: Plug ins do not provide nearly enough adequate information, and way too much useless BS.


Actually, its being fan-maintained, and it DOES show memory usage for add-ons, and I've never had to DL a single plug-in that was already a part of it.
1. What plug-ins where you using? All the FuBar ones show a lot more info than their titan counterparts.
2. None of the working version of titan panel I found do this.

And about your argument about "configurability", if you have tried out both titan and fubar, it's fact that the FuBar plug-ins are much more configurable. With titan, you can't even choose how to position a plug-in, or to show an icon, colored text, etc..

[rgirty]

Fubar, because grid eventually bugs out and you cannot access the menu/settings in any fashion other than downloading fubar and accessing it through the fubar plugin.

Last post in this section, sorry.

[Tunga]

With titan, you can't even choose how to position a plug-inYou can, it's shift+drag or similar.

[Aurum]

With titan, you can't even choose how to position a plug-in, or to show an icon, colored text, etc..

Wrong! You can shoos to either have text with colour or not. No you cant shoos the exact color but all you realy need is Green for when its ok, Yellow when its avrage and red when its bad.

About the memory thing i dont know if its for the Addons or what but my titanpanel shows some memory! :p

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/5633/auruknu6.th.jpg (http://img512.imageshack.us/my.php?image=auruknu6.jpg)

I can at least position the plug-ins in the order i want em.

And i do like Titan panel better cause i have allways used it. I dont know witch is better. However i have had Fubar instaled but realy didnt like how it looked.

[Thargos]

PerformaceFu lets you see how much memory each addon is using.

This seems to be the pro-titan site.

[Gavriel]

This seems to be the pro-titan site.

Why would you say that? I see people who prefer Titan and I see people who prefer FuBar. Each has their own reasons. Or were you expecting everybody to bow down and worship FuBar?

[Thargos]

Why would you say that? I see people who prefer Titan and I see people who prefer FuBar. Each has their own reasons. Or were you expecting everybody to bow down and worship FuBar?
No, I'm saying at the couple of sites I posted this, this one seems to have the most people who still use titan panel.

[syed]

There's way more plug-ins for fubar than titan panel.

Yes ... FuBar has lots of plug-ins ... but there are atleast 5 plugins to do the same thing. So this depends on your taste what you want to use. Titan does not have that much luxury like FuBary (so many plug-ins).

I still remember that when I first installed Titan ... I was very much impressed. Though I use FuBar now.

Most users that I know of, still use Titan.

[Tunga]

I can at least position the plug-ins in the order i want em.Both Titan and Fubar have this functionality.

[rgirty]

If you have grid you must have fubar. I have seen no other way to fix the issue, that means fubar = the choice for most healers.

[Xinh]

If you have grid you must have fubar. I have seen no other way to fix the issue, that means fubar = the choice for most healers.
Not really, if you have Niagara, then you have easy access to almost any Ace2 based mod (including Grid) either via a single FuBar plugin or via a MiniMap button if FuBar is not installed. I think Grid will even attach a button to your MiniMap if FuBar is not installed. Many Ace2 mods do this.

[joejanko]

I've always used Titan, but have grown a little concerned about how much attention Adsertor (the author) can give to the Panel.

I've considered moving to FUBAR, but
1. I do not use any Ace-based mods, and I believe that memory usage is high for FUBAR in this situation.
2. I have not desired a FUBAR plugin that doesn't have a Titan version.
3. For my healer, I've always used cEasyHealer. It still works great.

[Tunga]

1. I do not use any Ace-based mods, and I believe that memory usage is high for FUBAR in this situation.Again, the gain rate has a lot more impact on play than how much it's using when you load it. This is true for all addons.

[Grizzly UK]

I'm always amused to see these "discussions" pop up. Seems to be a somewhat regular topic, in that every so often someone asks which is better, Titan or FuBar!

But when all is said and done, it just comes down to a personal choice, try them both and choose the one you like/prefer, end of story! Some of the "comments" and "opinions" in this thread remind me of a bunch of 10 year olds arguing over what's better! :ponder:

Personally, I used Titan for a long time (about 18 months) and eventually, due to the number of bugs in Titan at the time, decided to try FuBar. I haven't changed back and I've now been using FuBar for about 10 months!

[Lothaer]

If you have grid you must have fubar. I have seen no other way to fix the issue, that means fubar = the choice for most healers.

total BS i am a raiding healer and i see absolutely no reason why fubar would be better for a healer none PERIOD.

[Tunga]

total BS i am a raiding healer and i see absolutely no reason why fubar would be better for a healer none PERIOD.The post is a reference to this:
Fubar, because grid eventually bugs out and you cannot access the menu/settings in any fashion other than downloading fubar and accessing it through the fubar plugin.So what rgirty means is that anyone who uses Grid is going to want to use Fubar. I'm a raid healer and I wouldn't go near Grid, I want more information than some tiny 10x10 boxes to heal from. So perhaps the phrase "most healers" was inaccurate here but the intention was sound.

[SkunkWerks]

I quit Titan around about the time it started cropping up an error where my Casting bar entirely disappeared... for something like nine versions, and despite several attempts to suggest that the issue be looked into, was pretty much unilaterally ignored.

The real fun part was that this bug cropped up after a "fix" was applied to Titan that was aimed at fixing some positioning problems others were having with the casting bar- a problem I never had. So yeah. Fixing everyone else's pretty much borked mine and no one wanted to hear about it evidently.

Anyhow, much happier with FuBar.

And this is all I've got to say.

[Thargos]

I quit Titan around about the time it started cropping up an error where my Casting bar entirely disappeared... for something like nine versions, and despite several attempts to suggest that the issue be looked into, was pretty much unilaterally ignored.

The real fun part was that this bug cropped up after a "fix" was applied to Titan that was aimed at fixing some positioning problems others were having with the casting bar- a problem I never had. So yeah. Fixing everyone else's pretty much borked mine and no one wanted to hear about it evidently.

Anyhow, much happier with FuBar.

And this is all I've got to say.
Nice reply :)