Pre BC WoW Servers

[bespecific]

Hello, My name is Kelgar.
I have a good suggestion for Blizzard that I believe will bring back a very large amount of World of Warcraft players to the game. But first let me explain before i elaborate on the suggestion.

I used to be a heavy world of wacraft player, I played with my brother and several other friends. We all quit approximately a couple months after BC was released. The reason why we quit is because we believe that BC and following expansions have ruined World of Warcraft.
I have talked to many previous and recent World of Warcraft players and a large amount of people I talked to also agree with me that the Burning Crusade ruined world of warcraft with the ability to achieve epics so quickly and the drastic increase in abilities and stats on the new Items. (Most of which put a very large amount of old content to waste)

What I believe Blizzard should do to get lots of their costomers back would be to Create a few servers dedicated to JUST (I geuss you could say) "Old School" World of Warcraft. In these servers players would not be able to go into outlands, or achieve levels passed level 60 or other new content that was implimented inside World of Warcraft once the Burning Crusade was released.
This would also presist once the new Wrath of the Lich king expansion comes out. There will be Servers dedicated to The First World of warcraft of how it was before BC and then there will be Servers Deciated to BC of how it was before Wrath of the Lich King for players who enjoy the more old school world of warcraft rather then the new age.

As these servers are running Blizzard could also impliment a new dungeon or armor set or a few new weapons to the older servers every few months or so to keep these players updated somewhat and keep them playing. Of coarse the newer World of Warcraft would be updated more frequently.

The way you would choose to play the older world of warcraft, or the newer one would be at the launcher.
You could Choose

[World of Warcraft]
[World of Warcraft: The Burning Crusade]
[World of Warcraft: Wrather of the Lich King]

And you would simply click on which one you would like to start.

I know that this would bring be back to World of Warcraft, and im sure it would for Many, Many others. Its kind of like when you are putting a video game into your console.
Lets use Socom 2 and 3 for example.Some players prefer Socom 2 rather than socom 3 and there for choose to play it with other socom 2 players.

I know that you can still play old world of warcraft without buying the expansion. But once the expansion came out every bought it because it has all these new things that they would love to experience, but the experience is over and I know many people would LOVE to play the old version on world of warcraft before Burning crusade was released, the reason they dont though is because they already bought Burning crusade and dont want to spend then money on another world of warcraft or pay for 2 or
more accounts. Even if a person was to buy world of warcraft again and not get Burning Crusade they would be the only once stuck without it because thats how everyone who wants to play old world of warcraft feels and they dont feel like attempting and finding out it was just a waste of money, thats why these servers should be implimented into the game, so all the people who choose to play just normal world of warcraft will be in the same server and it will be much easier to find groups for things such as Upper black rock spire, or Scholomance or a Molten core/Zul Gurub/Black wing lair raiding guild.

It would be a great idea to take a poll on the world of warcraft website and see what the consumers think. I know what I would vote for, how about we find out what everyone else thinks too. (Note:Even a few votes would count for alot, we must remember that many people quit because of Burning crusade, such as my self and friends, and the previous players dont visit
the site frequently as current players)

Sincerly,
-Kelgar

[kall]

It would be a great idea to take a poll on the world of warcraft website and see what the consumers think.
Given the number of times people have posted this suggestion, and the number of times the mods have closed it with a firm 'No', followed by a more firm 'Stop starting these threads, it isnt going to happen', I'd say it would just annoy them further.

Interesting read tho.

[Bombastuss]

I think the only way we might ever experience pre BC again (if Blizzard does not wake up) is if someone started a decent pre BC private server but I don't see that happening...

[moopy]

Hello, My name is Kelgar.
I have a good suggestion for Blizzard that I believe will bring back a very large amount of World of Warcraft players to the game. But first let me explain before i elaborate on the suggestion.

Please don't. This tired old suggestion is starting to sound like a cracked record. You can't put the genie back in the bottle.

Even if it weren't (and please forgive the bluntness) a bloody stupid idea, it'd also be commericial suicide for Blizzard. The entire model is predicated upon there always being carrots being dangled just out of reach, as a time sink. They don't want stuff to be "finished".

Moreover, I'm guessing you never got too far pre-TBC, if you're complaining about BWL going to waste, and thus you have no idea of the amount of effort and organisation involved in running a 40 man raid. Blizzard reduced the cap for raids for a reason, because it was hard for casual guilds to get a balanced group of 40. Thus it logically follows that the people able to do these instances at 60 are going to have to be somewhat hardcore. The hardcore players in general are not interested in the old content- as they've mostly seen and done it before; even if they haven't, the difference in polish between an old world raid like BWL and even a TBC 5 man like Blood Furnace (I mention them because they have a similar style) is striking. In TBC, 5 man encounters are as polished and nicely scripted as a lot of old raid encounters were. Only Naxxramas really only approaches the level of quality of build and atmophere- because it was the last big old world raid. "Old world" WoW is being superceded by more advanced content. Come WoTLK, don't be surprised if the difference in quality between BWL and the newest raid encounters isn't as striking as the difference in quality between Deadmines and Botanica.

[Elly]

Interesting. Certainly we have a portion of our community on diabloii.net who play classic D2 (pre LoD), enough that we have a forum (http://forums.diabloii.net/forumdisplay.php?f=115) for just those people. In fact we are putting up a dedicated trade forum for it too today so there's life in the old dog yet.

Really, is there a large enough portion of the community that feel BC ruined WoW? I heard som grumbles immediately after release but by and large they have settled down now.

[Primed]

Interesting. Certainly we have a portion of our community on diabloii.net who play classic D2 (pre LoD), enough that we have a forum (http://forums.diabloii.net/forumdisplay.php?f=115) for just those people. In fact we are putting up a dedicated trade forum for it too today so there's life in the old dog yet.

Really, is there a large enough portion of the community that feel BC ruined WoW? I heard som grumbles immediately after release but by and large they have settled down now.

Given the option, I would go back to Pre-TBC in a heart beat. More in particular, prior to the patch where Ranks were removed from PVP and you could buy High Warlord gear for afking in AV for a week.

I suspect at some point Blizz will release these servers, but not until they start seeing a drop in players. I think with each release people will start to think "Ugh...not another grind, only to grind more, with my T6 gear being replaced at level 71 with greens from the first quest I do."

There comes a point where you have to ask yourself....why am I doing this?

Now then, if you could set a goal...say to obtain every peice of T6, then you had something to work for. But now, with WotLK on the horizon, what difference does it make?

*Rumblings from a person retiring when WotLK hits shelves*

[moopy]

Now then, if you could set a goal...say to obtain every peice of T6, then you had something to work for. But now, with WotLK on the horizon, what difference does it make?

*Rumblings from a person retiring when WotLK hits shelves*

If collecting gear is your goal, you're probably missing at least the intended point, at any rate- which is to score famous team victories rescuing beautiful dragons from terrifying princesses and the like- not to stand around in Ironforge to allow your gear to be admired :) Of course, you can set whatever goals for yourself you choose, everyone's aware of that. It's just that if you make collecting top-end gear your goal, you'll always feel letdown, due to mudflation. Always something better is going to come along, in a game which is actively developed. Them's the vagaries.

So you want a version of the game that's frozen in time, maybe some other folks do too. However, it's a bit of a tricky proposition from a practical point of view, as well as a business PoV for blizz- it's hard to see why they'd want to. I can't see that the recent past nostalgia market will be a hugely lucrative one for them, covering the cost of dev teams to port various engine fixes to the client and server ends, making it all chime nicely with the things which must be arbitrarily preserved. I'd imagine that in a cold financial assesment, shiny things and promos for WoTLK to hoover up new players would actually make them more money.

I could be wrong, but I really don't think a few people who want a frozen version of the game from a time when the player base was significantly lower (i.e., a fraction of a fraction) is that compelling an idea. They continue to maintain that the make or break for WoW is the level cap game (hence flattening the leveling curve as the cap is bumped). However delicious the retro-chic seems to you, I can't see it happening. Not a value judgement, just an observation.

[Negaterium]

Hmm. I'm sorry if I offend the OP but ... for me at least... this is a very bad idea. Going back to old raids? Nah... thanks. I'll pass that. I got so bored on my mage doing MC and BWL and AQ40. Frozen universe is a dead universe. No matter what you think things must evolve and move forward.

The old world is so boring for a max level... so at 58 (on my BElf lock) I jumped to Outland. I would really hate to have such barriers and would quit WoW. The only thing keeping me in this game is the hope for new content, new quests, new places, new things to explore and do.

Tell me OP, would you like to live in the same small room with 1 chair and 1 bed forever?...Things get old.. I know what I would chose.

[Your Average WoW Player]

I have to agree with most of the above poster.

A Pre-BC server wouldn't work. A few people might make an alt just for the hell of it, but I really don't think there is a large enough portion of the community to make Blizzard consider opening up a bre-BC only server.

[Deecho]

I am a pre-BC fan. I cleared all of the pre-BC. I finished Naxx just in time for BC. BC released, sped to 70 and took a break due to burnout.

I still enjoy talking about the fun I had in all the level 60 instances, it was a blast. But enough of that.

It comes down to cooperation.

We don't NEED a "Pre-BC Server". Start another account without BC installed, rally with others who want to be 60 only and start it. Find all the people who would be interested and pick a server.

Now a "Pre-BC Server" would be nice, but since Blizz has stated they have no intention to create one, work around it.

The only problem I see, which stops me from starting this Utopia myself is that after so long the server is allowed to have people transfer over. I can easily see some punk with his Season 1 PvP gear transfer over just to harrass the 60s.

But, if you want it bad enough, just work with it. I'm sure there a few other problems, but that is the one that stands out the most to me.

[sweavo]

Tell me OP, would you like to live in the same small room with 1 chair and 1 bed forever?...Things get old.. I know what I would chose.

As long as it also has a PeeCee running WOW, why not? :tongue:

[DrScience]

things change, servers evolve... BC and WotLC are facts - they didnt destroy wow, they just added to it. change is a universal constant. embrace it or be left in the past.

[posterman]

Please don't. This tired old suggestion is starting to sound like a cracked record. You can't put the genie back in the bottle.

Even if it weren't (and please forgive the bluntness) a bloody stupid idea, it'd also be commericial suicide for Blizzard. The entire model is predicated upon there always being carrots being dangled just out of reach, as a time sink. They don't want stuff to be "finished".

Moreover, I'm guessing you never got too far pre-TBC, if you're complaining about BWL going to waste, and thus you have no idea of the amount of effort and organisation involved in running a 40 man raid. Blizzard reduced the cap for raids for a reason, because it was hard for casual guilds to get a balanced group of 40. Thus it logically follows that the people able to do these instances at 60 are going to have to be somewhat hardcore. The hardcore players in general are not interested in the old content- as they've mostly seen and done it before; even if they haven't, the difference in polish between an old world raid like BWL and even a TBC 5 man like Blood Furnace (I mention them because they have a similar style) is striking. In TBC, 5 man encounters are as polished and nicely scripted as a lot of old raid encounters were. Only Naxxramas really only approaches the level of quality of build and atmophere- because it was the last big old world raid. "Old world" WoW is being superceded by more advanced content. Come WoTLK, don't be surprised if the difference in quality between BWL and the newest raid encounters isn't as striking as the difference in quality between Deadmines and Botanica.

While i respect your opinion i dont rlly agree with it. I think that if they made a pre-bc server it would attract many. I would definately xfer my 60 warrior to it. If blizz makes it possible. You must remember the people who alrdy finished the end game content in Pre-TBC arent forced to participate on this server. It would be for people who "want to play Pre-BC" not for ppl to go on it and QQ about how they dont like it. Unfortunately i started playing WoW like 3 weeks before TBC came out so i never got to experiance alot of things. Outdoor Raids..Outdoor PvP..60 pvp ( which i want to xperiance so bad!....and is what alot of ppl miss.)20+ 40+ man raids, etc. I know many people that are calling it quits once WoTLK comes out. And all of them say they think TBC ruined WoW. And wished that BC never came out. I dont think 1 or 2 Pre BC servers would hurt. It would bring back alot of great WoW players that departed shortly after TBC crash landed. I really hope Blizz stops being stubborn and does this for the fans. I dont even want to buy BC..lol. My warrior has been 60 for the longest. I await for the day this server comes to life and saves WoW. I think WoW is heading in a bad direction and ppl arent going to want to buy it when they find out they have to buy 3 games and level 80 lvls which will take out alot of time and money. BUT.... i know not everyone feels this way. Everyones entitled to their own opinion... but in the end Blizz holds our fate.
60 PvP=The Best Thing That Ever Happened to WoW.( and i never rlly got to experiance it D:)
:thumbsup:

[Ardani]

60 PvP=The Best Thing That Ever Happened to WoW.( and i never rlly got to experiance it D:)

I'm not trying to be difficult here, but... hang on. You think Burning Crusade is the worst thing to ever happen to WoW, but then you admit you haven't bought it, and you think 60 PvP is the best thing that ever happened to WoW, but then admit you never really experienced it?

...what?

[posterman]

I'm not trying to be difficult here, but... hang on. You think Burning Crusade is the worst thing to ever happen to WoW, but then you admit you haven't bought it, and you think 60 PvP is the best thing that ever happened to WoW, but then admit you never really experienced it?

...what?

srry didnt put all the details in.. I have 2 WoW accounts my first 1 i had i bought TBC and i didnt like it so i made a new account bcuz i wanted to stay at 60.(Layoiden 60 Night Elf on Executus) On the topic of 60 pvp my friend was the one who got me into this game. He had a level 60 that i used to play on. When i said i never got to experiance it i meant on my own character. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

[Ardani]

srry didnt put all the details in.. I have 2 WoW accounts my first 1 i had i bought TBC and i didnt like it so i made a new account bcuz i wanted to stay at 60.(Layoiden 60 Night Elf on Executus) On the topic of 60 pvp my friend was the one who got me into this game. He had a level 60 that i used to play on. When i said i never got to experiance it i meant on my own character. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

Okay, makes a lot more sense. Thanks for clearing that up. :)

[Govadina]

I don’t know, I like the TBC wow. Yeah the PvE got ruined, but PvP is still the most fun, if you ask me.

[Shellar]

Like Hardcore mode, Classic is one of those things that worked well in D2 but doesn't translate well into WoW.

[nikkle]

hmmmm....
TBC kinda ruined the game

[PlayThemAll]

Private server?

/reported

[nikkle]

yeyeyeyeye

[Xlorep DarkHelm]

/sigh

The fundamental problem with "Pre-TBC Servers" is that it requires two separate sets of code. Blizzard would need to divide their teams in half in many places to do this. the Pre-TBC servers would need to have the necessary code changes for security and bug fixes which had been put in the TBC code already, but did not exist prior to it. These changes could easily be non-trivial quick, fast, and in a hurry.

It would require dividing up their customer support teams between supporting TBC and pre-TBC. It would require setting up entire new server clusters to handle the pre-TBC servers. Basically, all in all, it is a logistical nightmare. Honestly, it is far more effort than it is worth.

The game moves forward, to include the expansion. Was there a "Pre-Planes of Power" server for EverQuest? No -- the nature of an MMO is that it changes, advances, moves forward. Expansions become part of the game, not something merely attached to the side -- and Blizzard is one of the better companies for getting good expansions out.

The game has moved forward, it has moved to TBC, and it will move to WotLK when that happens. Like most other MMOs, when the expansion is released, it quite literally just becomes part of the whole -- it is less of an "optional" component, and more of what is necessary to continue progressing in the game. Sure, you can elect to not use the expansion, but with that comes certain penalties that you have to simply expect... since most (in fact, the vast majority) of the players will just get the expansion and move on with their game.

[jschild]

Like we've said, Blizz, rightly so, will not change its servers for even 1% of the gaming population (and I doubt there are even 100,000 people wanting pre BC only).

[Valas Azuviir]

yeyeyeyeye

Hmm.. Looks like you quickly nuked your naughty links.
So, I can't whomp you with the bakka hammer..

I can say this much though Nikkle. You ever try that again on these forums, and we'll be booting you out the door quicker than you can say a Hail Mary. Because she might be filled with divine forgiveness, but we ain't.

:annoyed:

[white wolf seven]

I think WoW is heading in a bad direction and ppl arent going to want to buy it when they find out they have to buy 3 games and level 80 lvls which will take out alot of time and money. BUT.... i know not everyone feels this way. Everyones entitled to their own opinion... but in the end Blizz holds our fate.
:thumbsup:

ok so just my 2 cents...u dont HAVE to buy 3 games....u can do what my buddy did, and buy just normal wow, get to 60, then if u want to keep playing, get BC, and when ur at 70, if u want to keep going, buy LK and keep going....it doesnt have to be a big bill at once.

that said i bought BC when i started because i wanted to be a BE. too bad everyone and their mother made one too so there was no diversity when i hit 40...thank god thats pretty much over...
anyway if you want to play as a BE or Dreni then even after LK comes out u only pay for 2 things, u do not need the 3rd till ur the appropreate level, and shure that u want to keep playing the game. same thing for expansions after LK.

Given the option, I would go back to Pre-TBC in a heart beat. More in particular, prior to the patch where Ranks were removed from PVP and you could buy High Warlord gear for afking in AV for a week.

I suspect at some point Blizz will release these servers, but not until they start seeing a drop in players. I think with each release people will start to think "Ugh...not another grind, only to grind more, with my T6 gear being replaced at level 71 with greens from the first quest I do."

There comes a point where you have to ask yourself....why am I doing this?

Now then, if you could set a goal...say to obtain every peice of T6, then you had something to work for. But now, with WotLK on the horizon, what difference does it make?

*Rumblings from a person retiring when WotLK hits shelves*

ok my other 2 cents...guess ive put a total of 4 in here..
i have friends who were playing pre-BC and kept going on BC. they didnt seem to mind the gear being replaced that much, in fact they held onto their old sets in the bank, and take them out to show off, and tell stories of "the old raids" and stuff. hell if i get T6 im keeping it, even if it does get replaced.
also i think blizz (now this is just a rumor i heard) is going to make it so the epic end game gear doesnt get replaced as fast when u hit LK.

now personaly i like collecting cool weapons and armor sets. its fun. its half the reason why i do raids atm. ^_^

[C4RASHy]

WoWarcraft is not the right game to split up in different versions. WoWarcraft is a game thats supposed to be WoW forever, but get updates.

[bonethugs]

so how do we play on the server

[Your Average WoW Player]

There are no official pre-BC servers. They're only Private Servers.

Private servers are against Blizzard's rules, therefore they are against our rules. You won't find out any information on how to play on private servers on these forums.

[semiiramiis]

<Contemplates a return to MC raidng. Shudders. Sobs. Hides in the corner, locked in a fetal position, rocking back and forth.)

No. More. 40 mans. Are y'all insane? It's a miracle I survived molten core with no gray hairs...oh, wait, I'm blonde. They may be there, and I just miss them. No. More. Disfunctional hell guilds, locked into hating each other but tolerating it because...well...we have a 40 man group and that's almost impossible so just shut up. I prefer the smaller raids, with the highly varied strats per boss, and the ability to take in the best because you're not just filling spaces trying to get 40 people all on at the same time, willing to go, with something approaching gear and ability for the raid.

[Twoflower]

i loved 40 man raiding.

sure, it had its downsides. But the fights were EPIC !

We go back to AQ40 from time to time, to tickle good old C'thun a little. It feels so different... With 40 people the room was full, and you realy had to organise a good position so that people dont blow up themselfs. Now with 20 people, it is nothing. Just hang out whereever you want.

[clevins]

Combat log entry:

"Twoflower casts Raise Thread from Dead (Rank 9)"

[Your Average WoW Player]

*looks at the necroage*

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[Wiglet]

Think he deleted the post that raised this thread from the grave. :grin: