Shoulder enchant question

[Illiana]

So the other day I run a heroic with some of my guildies, and our paladin asked if I could have the nether so I could make some Battlecast pants for his alt. No one else needed the nether, so I looted it. One of my guildies whispers me, that this paladin (who actively raids with us) doesn't have his T5 shoulders enchanted.

Now if there is one thing that annoys me, it is good pieces of loot without enchants. If he has the money to get all the primal mights required to make the Battlecast pants, he also has the money to buy himself the arcane tomes/fel armaments required for a shoulder enchant. I tell the pally that I will only make the pants for his alt if he bothers to enchant his shoulders. He then says that he used to have his shoulders enchanted, but that the enchant suddenly vanished.

For as far as I know the only way to remove an enchant, is to replace it with another enchant. If he had been hacked and had his items restored, that would have removed all enchants as well, but he has not been hacked. So is he a lying slack who couldn't be bothered to enchant his T5 or am I evil for thinking bad of my guildy and am I missing something here? Enlighten me please! :rolleyes:

[det]

Never heard of a vanishing enchant ^^

The cheaper enchant is easily available...he should at least get that, but probably he never bothered with the rep grind.

[inkmva]

Scryers was the first faction in TBC I was exalted with and it's suprisingly easy to do so with not that much dedication. I did all the quests available during leveling and simply grinded like a nutter on the evildoing bloodelves in Netherstorm. Got plenty of nethercloth (allmost enough to powerlevel my still-60 tailoring alt to 375, just had to buy a few stacks off the AH), plenty of lockboxes as a rogue pickpocketing (and, as such, amazing amounts of blinding powder, lockpicking skill maxed out the moment I was 70, pots, mats etc).

Scryers and aldor rep is easy to get and very, very imporant for the enchants. I got around 48 tomes or so during the repgrind and I've got enough mats for shoulder enchants to last me trough to the next expansion.

Given, it's easier to grind as a rogue then a paladin, but specced retrib with some dps gear it's not impossible in any sense or form.

[moopy]

I'd say the pally was a big ol' poopyhead. End of.

[swaldman]

Aldor/scryer rep is painful, simply because you have to grind it. (there are a few quests, but it's not like the other Outland where you simply pick up the rep by doing fun instances).

I've been 70 for months and months, and I'm not even revered with Aldor - because I Don't Do Grinding. THere is another way, of course - I'm currently buying up every Mark of Sagaras that I see for under 90s...

[moopy]

Aldor/scryer rep is painful, simply because you have to grind it. (there are a few quests, but it's not like the other Outland where you simply pick up the rep by doing fun instances).

I've been 70 for months and months, and I'm not even revered with Aldor - because I Don't Do Grinding. THere is another way, of course - I'm currently buying up every Mark of Sagaras that I see for under 90s...

Hmm, activating the big "WTF" light here. My shammy is faction exalted, so is my hunter. I am the world's worst grinder. I did, however, do as many quests as I could find with spillover rep, and run the instances which drop a lot of tomes/armaments. This got me most of the way in both cases. I did end up farming belfs a bit for scryer rep, but I also needed the +10 scope plans from them, and was levelling a hunter pet at the same time, so that made it less irritating.

[Zachariah]

Are you kidding Swaldman? Everyone on my server spams trade channel wanting to swap Aldor marks for Scryer ones. I've got giant stacks of unwanted Marks of Sargeras while my Scryer rep languishes around revered.

Judging by my server, there is a MAJOR mismatch between drop zones/rates for Aldor vs Scryer. If I didn't need the healing shoulder inscription I'd have switched factions long ago.

I'd be interested to hear from anyone with the opposite experience (ie an abundance of Scryer items available and precious few Aldor ones to go around).

[swaldman]

Are you kidding Swaldman? Everyone on my server spams trade channel wanting to swap Aldor marks for Scryer ones.

That would depend on me having Scryer ones though!!!
As I said - I don't farm.

On my server I think more than half of the people are Aldor-affiliated, but it doesn't seem to be a huge mismatch.

[Zachariah]

I should clarify: I don't do any grinding either. But just through doing dailies and random pugs of heroics and normal nistances, I end up with loads of Sargeras Marks and ZERO Sunfury Signets.

Ogri-la dailies - go kill demons. Loads of demon zones and quests dotted around the whole of outland.

Blood elf zones? Some in Netherstorm. One in SMV, geared-up 70's only need apply.

Just through normal play, you acquire Sargeras marks without trying. You really have to grind out the Scryer ones. It is a clear mismatch of effort.

[swaldman]

Ogri-la dailies - go kill demons. Loads of demon zones and quests dotted around the whole of outland.

Blood elf zones? Some in Netherstorm. One in SMV, geared-up 70's only need apply.

One in Terrokar as well, I think - where the elves are assembling the Mana Bomb. Though I'm not sure if they drop Sunfury Signets or the more minor ones.

Instance-wise, any Tempest Keep instance gets you Scryer marks. Shadow Lab and some small parts of Arcatraz get you Aldor.

It's reasonably well-matched, I think. If anything Scryer is possibly easier through instances and Aldor through solo grinding.

[moopy]

Just through normal play, you acquire Sargeras marks without trying. You really have to grind out the Scryer ones. It is a clear mismatch of effort.

Some of the TK 5 mans drop arcane tomes at a crazy rate, however. If you target those specifically, you will get loads. Also, on a lot of servers, there are more Aldor-affiliated people than Scryers. Thus, you just trade the Aldor rep items for the Scryer ones with other players.

[Baboon]

Well he could atleast put the honored enchant imo. That's what I did. And in my guild you will be left out of raids anyway if you don't bother enchanting.

[Twoflower]

i wouldnt even give him the T5 token if he is not exalted whit his fraction for shoulder enchants.

As for the enchant "suddenly disapearing", that s just BS. Have him write a ticket and dont invite him for any more raids till he has a enchant. on EVERY item. and not the cheap ones.

[Zachariah]

Sorry to keep on banging on about this. Yes I know TK instances you can get Scryer items - but even in there you get a mix of demons and blood elves. I'm exalted with Sha-tar and have never been through a TK run where more than 3 tomes dropped.

Looks like I'm cursed to be on a server with way more Scryers than Aldors (at least on Horde side) - a simple look at AH prices confirms this, with Sunfury signets and Arcane Tomes usually 40-50% more than Aldor items.

And if you're a non-dps class, grinding around the Netherstorm manaforges is not really an option. At least not one that fits in with players who can't devote 8hrs at a time for playing.

[inkmva]

I got quite a few signets and tomes in Shadowmoon, on my realm this area isn't camped a lot, has very good respawns and decent groupings for grinding.

[moopy]

And if you're a non-dps class, grinding around the Netherstorm manaforges is not really an option. At least not one that fits in with players who can't devote 8hrs at a time for playing.

Oh, grow a pair. Respec for a day, make back your respeccing money and get a tonne of rep items easily. The world, even a virtual one, doesn't owe you anything :)

[Zachariah]

OK I'll give it a try but if it doesn't work, I'm coming round to slap ya!

[swaldman]

Sorry to keep on banging on about this. Yes I know TK instances you can get Scryer items - but even in there you get a mix of demons and blood elves.

Yup, you get a few demons, in those three instances. There's only one (non-heroic) instance that gives consistent Marks of Sagaras.

I'm exalted with Sha-tar and have never been through a TK run where more than 3 tomes dropped.

3 tomes in a run seems like a reasonable highish average number. Same can be said of Fel Armaments in Shadow Lab.

Same problem for Aldor so far...

And if you're a non-dps class, grinding around the Netherstorm manaforges is not really an option. At least not one that fits in with players who can't devote 8hrs at a time for playing.

Same applies to killing the various demons really. Paladins do have an advantage with demons, but it's still not exactly quick, and for the prot warriors or healing priests, the same difficulties apply.

This is why I'm buying marks instead. Slowly, when they're cheap (ish).

Sounds like you're unlucky that the ones you need are expensive on your server.

[inkmva]

Considering how easy it is to make gold with dailes, I'd just respec around raiding days if I was still playing a class with these limitations (which I couldn't be bothered with in the long run and rerolled rogue.. I feel your pain holy palas :p).

[swaldman]

Considering how easy it is to make gold with dailes, I'd just respec around raiding days if I was still playing a class with these limitations (which I couldn't be bothered with in the long run and rerolled rogue.. I feel your pain holy palas :p).

The main reason that I don't grind is not that I have low dps - it's that I find grinding intensely boring. Let's face it, if I wanted to spend hours doing a mind-numbing, soul-destroying repetitive task, I could stay at work and claim overtime ;-)
I play for fun. Grinding isn't fun. Nor is spending a precious hour of my play time doing dailies to pay for respecs, for that matter ;-)

[Twoflower]

well then, do the things you find funny :) just dont expect that the rest comes by itself.

and IMO the entire endgame in WOW is nothing but grinding. grinding instances, reputation, professions, battlegrounds, everything becomes repetitive after some time.

[swaldman]

well then, do the things you find funny :) just dont expect that the rest comes by itself.

and IMO the entire endgame in WOW is nothing but grinding. grinding instances, reputation, professions, battlegrounds, everything becomes repetitive after some time.

Well.... no.

Solo grinding is just dull. Killing the same mob or clearing the same area over and over again? Maybe some people enjoy it, but I certainly don't.

Running instances isn't quite the same, as they offer a little more interest, and most importantly a group dynamic, ensuring that no two runs are ever identical. I do sometimes get bored of instances that I've done too much recently. THis is why I don't do "rep grinding" in instances. I ran the ones I wanted, and revered and then exhalted on most of them came soon enough.
The same with farmable raid stuff, although I agree that this can get dull.

New challenges are definitely not a grind of any sort - be they heroics that I haven't yet beaten, or new raid bosses. No grinding there :-) There are also still some quests that I haven't finished off...

[moopy]

New challenges are definitely not a grind of any sort - be they heroics that I haven't yet beaten, or new raid bosses. No grinding there :-) There are also still some quests that I haven't finished off...

Raid bosses sure can feel like a grind. Cast your mind back to all the guilds who spent weeks getting the Nefarian fight right.. :0)

OK I'll give it a try but if it doesn't work, I'm coming round to slap ya!

You'll have to get past the Ninja Monkey honour guard first :-)

[Morollan]

3 tomes in a run seems like a reasonable highish average number. Same can be said of Fel Armaments in Shadow Lab. So that's an average of less than one tome per run. Each tome gives 350 rep so you would need 100 runs to get to Exalted from Revered.

Sounds like fun to me. NOT

[inkmva]

I've always just considered grinding like this sort of mindless training. You'll get a wee bit more powerful at the expense of some not-great-fun work. It's a means to reach a goal so to say.

[swaldman]

I've always just considered grinding like this sort of mindless training. You'll get a wee bit more powerful at the expense of some not-great-fun work. It's a means to reach a goal so to say.

Meh. You said it right there. "work". If I'm gonna do "not-great-fun work", I'd rather not pay to do it, thanks ;-)

[inkmva]

Well, point is that to get to another level you'll have to do the "not-so-fun" workouts ;).

[Duke Brand]

If your gear isn't fully enchanted then you shouldn't be allowed to raid. that's atleast how my guild works. Unless it's true farm content. Oh and the rep grind for Aldor is a cake walk. . I did it while grinding exalted with all the other factions pretty darn easily. Now getting exalted in Lower City that was a task in itself.

[clevins]

Ok, so back to the OP's issue...

Even if the enchant was overwritten etc., he can go to the AH and buy 8 Arcane Tomes/Fel Armaments and get the reagents for the enchant.

And Second, you took the nether *in order to make the pants for him*. You're not a cop, you're a guildie. Make the damn pants.

[NchBune]

Grinding on a Prot warrior is easy - just stand in one place where you can reach 2 or 3 mobs with your ranged weapon, shoot, select attack and start doing some ironing. When the mob is dead, loot and select another.

Every now and again you have to rest, but if you've picked your spot well you shouldn't get aggro, and if you have to walk away from the computer just jump on your bird and fly up a little. Laundry and rep all in one go. Mind you, balancing a full PC system on the end of the ironing board might be an issue - I'd recommend getting a laptop.


Nch

[Zachariah]

if you have to walk away from the computer just jump on your bird and fly up a little

Ah, the things people write without realising! I'm still wiping the tears from me eyes.

[clevins]

sigh... idiots...

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