Account suspended

[neomist]

Hello everyone, I am new to these forums, I would be posting this in the Blizzard forums, but like my title reads my account has been suspended. I got an email today, stating this:


This is a notification regarding the World of Warcraft account @#$%@XXXXX. Access to this account has been temporarily disabled for exploitation of the World of Warcraft economy or for being associated to accounts which have been closed for intended exploitation. Based on a review of the information presented, this World of Warcraft account has been given a final warning and a 72 hour account suspension, in addition to any previous warnings issued. Until the suspension has been lifted, the account will not be accessible. Please note that Blizzard Entertainment will be unable to provide further information regarding the specific time an account will become accessible again. thks Justin

Now before I have all the smart asses start replying, can I get some people that this has happen to, to give me some guidance on what I should do. I have already email blizzard and I am still waiting on a reply. I have not done anything on the account to warrant this.

The account has only been open for about a month, I have two lvl 22's and a few low characters under lvl 5. Has this happen to any here, or do they know of anyone this happening to?

[theshard]

Sounds like you bought gold. Wait it out and Blizzard will do what they will. GL if you didn't.

[Polaba]

Since you're so new, I would guess you bought gold and didn't know it was wrong. Feel lucky that it's temporary, and enjoy your time off and think about why you shouldn't buy gold.

[rottentomato]

::grabs pitchforks and torches::


just wait out the 72 hours...you'll live...and dont do whatever you did again. just play the game

[neomist]

No I didn't buy any gold, I was playing yesterday and tried to log in when I got home from work and was unable. Went to the wow website and it said it was suspended?? I am clueless?

How come when you call they can not help you? What a joke!!

[caldepen]

same thing happened to me... keep emailing them. They are getting to be quite paranoid with their accusations. Like looking for wmd's in Iraq! Nobody believed them but they were right, although they are not laughing. It is a common response by corporate entities, panic and starting throwing around blame to who ever to make it look like they are doing something about it.

In their email it probably states for the purpose of advancement somewhere. Point out that your characters suck and have no real advancement with regards to level, honor or money.

Of course if you have a smoking gun in your bank account (10000g's) than you might want to rethink that strategy.

Thats a joke, i believe you...

[neomist]

Ok, Just got a response back from blizzard, this is what they said:

Thank you for your follow up e-mail regarding the account action on XXXXXXXX. This account has been issued a 72 hour suspension as a result of access from a part of the world that is significantly different from the region the account has been registered to. Our review of the account indicates that the World of Warcraft account you were using was accessed by a third party (for example, a sibling, friend and/or leveling service) for the purpose of advancing characters on the account in any way (for example, gaining levels, honor, and/or wealth).

This was my reply to this email:

This is not true, I have not access the account from no where except
from my home and laptop, that I take traveling with me. Furthermore I
use Privoxy and a TOR addon from firefox for security reasons. I have
had my account stolen before and use this to battle the spam, viruses
and unwanted pop ups. I can be using my pc and ping off a IP address
in West Coast USA, East Coast USA, Holland, Germany, India, China, Japan. Please take a few mins and educate yourself on this website, http://www.privoxy.org. I have done nothing wrong here, Please remove the action taken against my account, so I can resume my new account.

Justin

[Xlorep DarkHelm]

Might I suggest talk to caldepen on this forum. (http://wow.incgamers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=405468)

[neomist]

Sure np, thks

So are you saying that I can log in with my privoxy, ping off a server outside of the US and still be able to play?

[Tort]

Since you're so new, I would guess you bought gold and didn't know it was wrong. Feel lucky that it's temporary, and enjoy your time off and think about why you shouldn't buy gold.

So wait, the fact that the op is new to these forums automatically means he bought gold? Is this really the default position we are taking these days? I understand a healthy dose of skeptism but this has just gotten out of hand.

Btw, you do realize you joined this site in the same month as the op, right?

[rottentomato]

http://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/jmi0185l.jpg

thats all

[Altaris]

lol Rotten

OP, I suggest turning off this "security" feature when playing WoW. It will happen again that they ban you, and next time will likely be a perma-ban. Anything that makes it appear that you are accessing your account from so many different regions (which may apparently vary,) is going to continue looking very fishy.

edit:
You have mentioned this being your "new account," as in you've had others in the past. So I'm thinking this ban is nothing new to you. Yes, I'm being harsh and skeptical, but me thinks you've been this route before and are looking for ways around their banstick.

[Herald of Doom]

So you want Blizzard to check if the rapidly changing IP is a proxy or not? Just don't use a proxy when you're playing WoW.

HoD

[Kugan]

So wait, the fact that the op is new to these forums automatically means he bought gold? Is this really the default position we are taking these days? I understand a healthy dose of skeptism but this has just gotten out of hand.

Btw, you do realize you joined this site in the same month as the op, right?

Since I’m generally the second person to jump on people who I believe are less than nice to newcomers, I thought I should comment on this.

I believe that what Polaba meant, is: “Since you are new to the game you probably bought gold.”

Which is true… new players sometimes don’t know that they shouldn’t buy gold (and why not). And the assumption was made that the OP was new based on the levels of his/her characters.

[Kalos]

Don't use an IP proxy that rotates, as such you did. They're designed to trick people into thinking you are comng from a different location with each rotation, which is exactly what Blizzard look for in account sharing/loaning/selling ect. If they see an account that is for one minute in NA and the next Eastern Europe, what are they going to think?

Besides of which, there are far better defences against hackers than using a proxy anyhow. A good hardware firewall for example, or not using Windows. Neither of these solutions will set off alarm bells at Blizzard HQ and provide suitable complexity to avoid being an easy target.

[neomist]

lol Rotten

OP, I suggest turning off this "security" feature when playing WoW. It will happen again that they ban you, and next time will likely be a perma-ban. Anything that makes it appear that you are accessing your account from so many different regions (which may apparently vary,) is going to continue looking very fishy.

edit:
You have mentioned this being your "new account," as in you've had others in the past. So I'm thinking this ban is nothing new to you. Yes, I'm being harsh and skeptical, but me thinks you've been this route before and are looking for ways around their banstick.

Yes, I have had an account before that was banned. I got a three day suspension for using some type of 3rd party software. (I'm still not for certain what mod it was) The perma-ban I received was about week later, reason was the exact same as the one I got on this new account.

It seems maybe the proxy might be the cause, for the perma-ban and this 3 day suspension on my new account. I never really link the two together until today.

Here is the response I got from Blizzard today about my suspension:


Thank you for contacting us regarding the recent action of your account. I understand that your account is important to you, and have conducted another investigation with that fact in mind. Unfortunately, however, I was only able to verify that the action of the account in question was justified. Please understand that these actions are only taken when absolutely necessary.

I apologize for any confusion these actions have caused, but you may wish to review our Terms of Use (http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/legal/termsofuse.html) and our game policies (http://www.blizzard.com/support/wowgm/?id=agm01712p). Upon installation, all players agree that the accounts they are creating may be closed for any reason, and at any time.

Thank you for your time and understanding of our position in this matter. The aforementioned account suspension will expire on 2007/10/26 at 7:10:36 PM Pacific Standard Time. Please feel free to contact us with any questions or concerns you may have regarding a different issue.

I wrote another email to Blizzard in response to there email. I almost resorted to begging them to remove the action.:cry::cry::cry: This is really frustrating. I love playing WoW, but it almost forces me to just go play another MMO. Which none of my friends play. Don't know what I am going to do if they come back with they a no again. I wonder if throwing myself on my knees and begging for mercy, if they would care, lol.... Anyone have any suggestion??

PS: I have removed the proxy lets see if that helps.

Here is my response, don't laugh I know I am pathetic, lol

Sir,

Please understand my position, my account is worth nothing, I have two
low 20 toons and a few toons under lvl 5. What do I have to gain by
doing anything against the user agreement. As I have stated in the
past, you have banned my account before. I do not want any action
taking on my new account please. If using privoxy is throwing red
flags on my account then I will stop.

Have you ever given anyone a second chance? Please I just want to play
on a account that has not had any action taken on it. I am truely
sorry for my past actions. I am not trying to justify them, but I can
promise you, you will never have to bother with my account again.
Please reconsider your adverse action on the account.

I understand this was only a 3 day suspension, but I plan on playing
this account to 70 I don' t want the this 3 day suspension hanging over my head. Again ignorance is not an excuse, but I hope you see where I am coming from. This is how my first account was banned. Please just give me
another chance!!!!!!

[Kalos]

Is it really that much to wait for three days? Really? Just drop it, wait until it is over, and press on with the game. I wouldn't drop any game just because I couldn't use it for three days, as punishment for something I did.

And if this was how your first account got banned, why on earth did you not take onboard "Hey, perhaps I shouldn't do X if X is what lost me my account?" Surely that would be logical, to learn from one's mistakes, not to do exactly the same, then to moan because you didn't change your ways and caused them to take action once more.

You wouldn't have to beg for mercy if you just listened to the reason they gave you and made sure not to allow the same consquences to arise again.

It doesn't matter what you have or haven't to gain by violating the terms of use, the fact of the matter is to them it appears as if you infringed upon it, and as such are suffering consiquences. The fact that they haven't banned you perminantly is that second chance you are appealing for.

This three days temp ban should hang over your head. You might learn something from it, maybe. As for promising that they won't have to take action again, well this is the second time you've been in trouble for this, different accounts yes but the same user. If you didn't learn from round one, why should a promise made on round two make any difference?

Face it, you did something which flagged your account as suspitious, they've given you a time out as punishment, and it'll quickly be over. Stop bleeting to them, they're not going to revoke it. In fact, they could have been much harsher, this is positively leniant with what they usually hand out for this sort of offence.

The adverse action that they put on your account was motivated by you and your setup, nobody else. If you didn't want this, you would have learnt from the perma banning of your first account. This is another reminder, so take it onboard and buck up your ideas.

Also, there is an edit button. I merged your last two posts, made within the space of five minutes, together. I don't expect to have to do that. No back to back posting, especially not within the space of the edit time of the first post. You should have edited your first post to contain the additional information.

[neomist]

Is it really that much to wait for three days? Really? Just drop it, wait until it is over, and press on with the game. I wouldn't drop any game just because I couldn't use it for three days, as punishment for something I did.

And if this was how your first account got banned, why on earth did you not take onboard "Hey, perhaps I shouldn't do X if X is what lost me my account?" Surely that would be logical, to learn from one's mistakes, not to do exactly the same, then to moan because you didn't change your ways and caused them to take action once more.

You wouldn't have to beg for mercy if you just listened to the reason they gave you and made sure not to allow the same consquences to arise again.

It doesn't matter what you have or haven't to gain by violating the terms of use, the fact of the matter is to them it appears as if you infringed upon it, and as such are suffering consiquences. The fact that they haven't banned you perminantly is that second chance you are appealing for.

This three days temp ban should hang over your head. You might learn something from it, maybe. As for promising that they won't have to take action again, well this is the second time you've been in trouble for this, different accounts yes but the same user. If you didn't learn from round one, why should a promise made on round two make any difference?

Face it, you did something which flagged your account as suspitious, they've given you a time out as punishment, and it'll quickly be over. Stop bleeting to them, they're not going to revoke it. In fact, they could have been much harsher, this is positively leniant with what they usually hand out for this sort of offence.

The adverse action that they put on your account was motivated by you and your setup, nobody else. If you didn't want this, you would have learnt from the perma banning of your first account. This is another reminder, so take it onboard and buck up your ideas.

Also, there is an edit button. I merged your last two posts, made within the space of five minutes, together. I don't expect to have to do that. No back to back posting, especially not within the space of the edit time of the first post. You should have edited your first post to contain the additional information.

Man so where do I start, first off I did not know the reason for the the perma-ban on the first account. Blizzard simply stated the account was closed for "exploitation of the World of Warcraft economy" Which I had no clue what that meant. A reasonable person would assume it would be buying gold, right? Well since I know I didnt buy any gold, I knew this was a bull**** reason for banning. It wasn't until this suspension, when I got the same exact email, and again I did not buy or sell any gold, that I knew something was up.

I email blizzard about the 3 day suspension, thats when they told me it was due to "access from a part of the world that is significantly different from the region the account has been registered to." I was never given this reason on my original account.

So I ask you, How can I connect X and X together, when I am getting different reasons for the account being closed?

Furthermore, I am not moaning, I am simply trying to defend my position and find out why this is happening to prevent it. I posted on here to try to get some advice on this, not to be blasted out of the water by one of the mods.

You have obviously never had any issue with your account being suspended or banned. I hope you never do either, because once they make a decision, you will find out how helpless you are. Hopefully this might help some people in the future to interpret Blizzards emailed reasons for suspending and banning accounts.

Blizzard has proved that they gave me the wrong reason initially. Then once I wrote back in to find out why they gave me another reason. So I say which one is it, are you saying that I was suspended for "exploitation of the World of Warcraft economy" or "access from a part of the world that is significantly different from the region the account has been registered to." These are completely different reasons. So I would say to you, I am "listening" to what they tell me, it is just not making any sense.

As for this being the second time I have been in trouble for this, again how was I supposed to know that. Had they told me from the beginning, your argument would hold. But this is not the case.

Lastly, you said I was being punish for my offense. Can you tell me what that is? Running a proxy server maybe? Exploitation of economy? Access from a different region? I know what is causing the issue now, but was just curious on what offense you thought I commented.

You might want to be a little more candor in your responses, for you to immediately go into attack and accuse mode is a little juvenile.

And yes I know there is a edit button, I started to go back and edit all your spelling errors but it was taking to long.

Semper Fi Justin

[Xlorep DarkHelm]

Have you talked with Caldepen yet?

And jumping to such a defensive position doesn't help your case.

[rottentomato]

Man so where do I start, first off I did not know the reason for the the perma-ban on the first account. Blizzard simply stated the account was closed for "exploitation of the World of Warcraft economy" Which I had no clue what that meant. A reasonable person would assume it would be buying gold, right? Well since I know I didnt buy any gold, I knew this was a bull**** reason for banning. It wasn't until this suspension, when I got the same exact email, and again I did not buy or sell any gold, that I knew something was up.

I email blizzard about the 3 day suspension, thats when they told me it was due to "access from a part of the world that is significantly different from the region the account has been registered to." I was never given this reason on my original account.

So I ask you, How can I connect X and X together, when I am getting different reasons for the account being closed?

Furthermore, I am not moaning, I am simply trying to defend my position and find out why this is happening to prevent it. I posted on here to try to get some advice on this, not to be blasted out of the water by one of the mods.

You have obviously never had any issue with your account being suspended or banned. I hope you never do either, because once they make a decision, you will find out how helpless you are. Hopefully this might help some people in the future to interpret Blizzards emailed reasons for suspending and banning accounts.

Blizzard has proved that they gave me the wrong reason initially. Then once I wrote back in to find out why they gave me another reason. So I say which one is it, are you saying that I was suspended for "exploitation of the World of Warcraft economy" or "access from a part of the world that is significantly different from the region the account has been registered to." These are completely different reasons. So I would say to you, I am "listening" to what they tell me, it is just not making any sense.

As for this being the second time I have been in trouble for this, again how was I supposed to know that. Had they told me from the beginning, your argument would hold. But this is not the case.

Lastly, you said I was being punish for my offense. Can you tell me what that is? Running a proxy server maybe? Exploitation of economy? Access from a different region? I know what is causing the issue now, but was just curious on what offense you thought I commented.

You might want to be a little more candor in your responses, for you to immediately go into attack and accuse mode is a little juvenile.

And yes I know there is a edit button, I started to go back and edit all your spelling errors but it was taking to long.

Semper Fi Justin

you know...usually im one of the first people to witchhunt and knock people down a peg, Kalos on the other hand is known for being stern but accurate with his reasoning.

to put yourself like a snake in a corner hissing, spitting, and rattling his tail just waiting for a chance to lash out isnt exactly the best way to get your point across and prove your innocence.

your account had been given a three day ban, and then was later permabanned.

i see where your accusations on blizzard are in line with inconsistency in their claims as to what you were exactly doing wrong.

the first email was an exploit on economy, the second was access from a seperate region, which can be cited to either boost levels, rep, or wealth regardless of the reason that they had decided to ban you, it was only a 72 hour ban. you came here for advise, and we gave it to you...dont do whatever you were previously doing, and when mention of a proxy came up, we gave another suggestion, which you in turn decided to post your sad excuse for an apology to blizzard, which to me sounds more or less like an admission of guilt more than anything else. to grovel and bow down before an empire shows submission, and the submisson you decided to give them makes you sound as guilty as a cat in a tuna can. staying steadfast in the matter of you doing nothing wrong and it being the result of a proxy is one thing...saying I am truely
sorry for my past actions. I am not trying to justify them, but I can
promise you, you will never have to bother with my account again. seems to show a sign of remorse for something you had done wrong that you knew was wrong at the time.

kalos originally posted what you should do about the proxy, and then you posted your lame letter...honestly, its 3 days without wow...youll survive, and if you cant, then maybe you shouldnt be playing...much less buying gold off websites, or using a proxy server.

firewalls are fine, you shouldnt have anything that amazing to hide.

[Herald of Doom]

Blizzard has proved that they gave me the wrong reason initially. Then once I wrote back in to find out why they gave me another reason. So I say which one is it, are you saying that I was suspended for "exploitation of the World of Warcraft economy" or "access from a part of the world that is significantly different from the region the account has been registered to." These are completely different reasons. So I would say to you, I am "listening" to what they tell me, it is just not making any sense.


I think the "exploitation" one is the standard reason they give for having different IP's log on to your account in a very short timespan. Blizzard is notorious for vaguely worded ban and suspension emails..

But what I'm wondering is this. You're using privoxy. That must mean you understand what it does. I'm sure you know people get banned for having different IP's log on to their account in a suspicous manner (eg, a US based IP, followed by a Chinese IP after 10 minutes). It never occurred to you that using privoxy would be like waving a giant red flag while shouting "Ban me please!!" ?

As for the suspension, it's there, it won't be lifted and it will "hunt" you. I've heard of a few cases where bans were revoked, but never suspensions (could be wrong though :) ).

HoD

[neomist]

Have you talked with Caldepen yet?

And jumping to such a defensive position doesn't help your case.

Not jumping, to anything just stating mere fact. You should be able to tell by the "lame letters of apologies" I have been sending to blizzard. Nothing else has worked.

[mesonm]

I started to go back and edit all your spelling errors but it was taking to long.

Semper Fi Justin

you are amazing...



This is not true, I have not access the account from no where except...

Criticizing others for spelling when you have grammar issues might be less effective than you desire.

First, I would like to suggest that for you to be banned from a first account and suspended from using a second suggests that you are probably doing something blizzard doesn't like.

Your use of tor and Privoxy is not a part of this...The game doesn't use either, and they thus are not likely related to what blizz found...I may have missed it, but did you pay a leveling service? You said YOU don't access the game from anywhere but your home/laptop, but never said you don't use a leveling service.

Just go with the 72 hour ban which is up tomorrow, and learn from it.

They are making it MUCH easier to level from 30-60 in the 2.3 patch...Wait until then and level to your heart's content.

[Xlorep DarkHelm]

You are absolutely right, I did have a vague understanding of what Privoxy did. I didn't install it until about 2 months ago after my old account was hacked into somehow. (I am assuming it was with some mod I downloaded).

Not likely, unless you downloaded a mod that has an EXE file along with it. UI mods don't run outside of the WoW "sandbox".

It is far more likely that you got some kind of keylogger. And your privoxy would do absolutely nothing to prevent a keylogger from functioning. All you'd need is a firewall with the ability to monitor/control outgoing connections as well as incoming connections. So, most likely, your "security precaution" was completely ineffective to prevent what was probably the problem in the first place.

With that, I never really knew about alternating IPs that Blizzard monitored then. I understand everyone is saying it's just a 3 day ban. But I just don't this hanging over my account. I have reinstalled LOTRO in preparation of them coming back with another no. Thanks for the info though:laugh::grin:

Well, Blizzard takes cheating very seriously. And, they tend to be a bit "proactive" about it. Maybe trying to figure out whatever resulted in your account becoming compromised, looking into the standard problems first, before taking some outlandish precaution only used by a very, very select few people use (and most of the people using a privoxy in my experience are actually trying to do something quasi-legal or worse, and want to obfuscate who they are online). A simple firewall with protection for incoming & outgoing connections is all you really needed.

[neomist]

you are amazing...



Criticizing others for spelling when you have grammar issues might be less effective than you desire.

First, I would like to suggest that for you to be banned from a first account and suspended from using a second suggests that you are probably doing something blizzard doesn't like.

Your use of tor and Privoxy is not a part of this...The game doesn't use either, and they thus are not likely related to what blizz found...I may have missed it, but did you pay a leveling service? You said YOU don't access the game from anywhere but your home/laptop, but never said you don't use a leveling service.

Just go with the 72 hour ban which is up tomorrow, and learn from it.

They are making it MUCH easier to level from 30-60 in the 2.3 patch...Wait until then and level to your heart's content.

You don't like double negatives in a sentence? LOL

You are right, but Kalos' tone, in his response was insolent.

[Kugan]

Nice advertising for your site. Buy some gold from us, and your account will get suspended.

Very clever :)

(and reported)

[Thilden]

You don't like double negatives in a sentence? LOL


There was more wrong with that sentence than a double negative.

[det]

Which is true… new players sometimes don’t know that they shouldn’t buy gold (and why not). And the assumption was made that the OP was new based on the levels of his/her characters.

Can you believe it? A year ago, my friends at the office actually wanted to make me a present to my birthday and have gold transfered to my account. They didn't know it was illegal (they saw something on TV about it) and even contacted my wife about my account and login details. They totally acted naively and in good faith...I almost freaked out. So glad I don't even give my account details to my wife.

My stance is this: (possibly cruel) I just use a standard virus checker, I don't click every link, I don't download anything from sites that common sense tells me are fishy...and I never had a problem with Blizzard. Hell...we have people in our raid from 5 different countries who share account info when a class is short in attendance...so the rogue in england plays a healer from an account of a raidmate in spain. Yes, it is agaisnt the rules...but even that never caused trouble.

So whenever people come here with suspended accounts, I daresay it is 90% of the times that something obvious went wrong: Keyloggers, gold buying, shared accounts...etc. "In dubio pro reo" must work for the justice system, but we are just your average forum people....

[Zendarin]

Oh my. I have been on the "be nice to the new guys and give them the benefit of the doubt" bandwagon but that doesn't mean we go overboard in the other direction. This guy has freely admitted using privoxy which spoofs IP addresses, then instead of saying "oops I messed up" and stopping using it and waiting out his suspension, he whines here, whines to Blizzard, floods us with excuses and arguments, and then attacks a forum mod on top of it.

Why are we continuing to pander to the OP? Time to take your qq elsewhere buddy. I am all for being nice to the new guy and giving the benefit of the doubt but you have long since removed any and all doubts - go away.

[mesonm]

...using privoxy which spoofs IP addresses

Lets start with this statement of YOURs.....

I do not believe it spoofs anything...Do you use it? Do you have any idea what it does?

Do you have any idea if it has anything to do with using WOW? (it doesn't)

Basing your statements on a faulty premise doesn't make you any more correct than he is.

He is wrong, likely, but you are also...for different reasons.

[neomist]

Oh my. I have been on the "be nice to the new guys and give them the benefit of the doubt" bandwagon but that doesn't mean we go overboard in the other direction. This guy has freely admitted using privoxy which spoofs IP addresses, then instead of saying "oops I messed up" and stopping using it and waiting out his suspension, he whines here, whines to Blizzard, floods us with excuses and arguments, and then attacks a forum mod on top of it.

Why are we continuing to pander to the OP? Time to take your qq elsewhere buddy. I am all for being nice to the new guy and giving the benefit of the doubt but you have long since removed any and all doubts - go away.

I have never been on a forum with so many(not all), people actively trying to discredit a persons situation. True, I have had a account banned before but, I have been completely honest with everything I have said thus far.

As for me attacking a forum mod, lets just say, read his response again. My response was in line to what he initially stated to me. His whole thread was filled with lofty, feeble-minded accusations from the start.

And your statement of "floods us with excuses and arguments", are you part of some type of special entity on this forum? Last time I checked forums were for people to post questions, problems, and answers to everyone. Not just for a select few who monitor and read all the posts.

Again, I am not completely in the right in my current situation, but your thread does nothing to help my problem at this point. Your attitude of just ignoring me because I am new to this forum is pretty unreasonable.

So how am I suppose to respond to another thread like this? I guess I will just ignore most of your comments. I do have time to pick them apart.

[Xlorep DarkHelm]

Lets start with this statement of YOURs.....

I do not believe it spoofs anything...Do you use it? Do you have any idea what it does?

Actually, I do. I've even built an older one years ago. And the closest description is spoofing. A Proxy has you send all of your traffic through it, typically it makes you appear like you are a different IP than you actually are. A Privoxy goes the next step, and is designed to work like a proxy that uses IP spoofing techniques, that anyone familiar with network infrastructure can easily whip up.

Do you have any idea if it has anything to do with using WOW? (it doesn't)

It makes him appear as a different IP every time he connects. This means that to Blizzard, it appears that he is connecting from radically different locations around the world, seemingly at random. That has been shown, repeatedly, by multiple people, to be something that Blizzard doesn't approve of. Honestly, there is no legitimate reason to use a Privoxy, and there are some people who falsely assume it may provide a level of privacy, which it doesn't. It is like using a layer of saran-wrap to protect your car from getting in an accident.

Basing your statements on a faulty premise doesn't make you any more correct than he is.

He is wrong, likely, but you are also...for different reasons.

Once again, that statement was in effect correct. It does tend to depend on the way/structure of the particular privoxy in question, but spoofing is a pretty close approximation of what they do regardless.

[mesonm]

Actually, I do. I've even built an older one years ago.

You are speaking in generalization about proxy's's...I'm talking about a specific program called privoxy. ....different things...

Sure, call it spoofing if you wish, but I believe that misrepresents the program, since spoofing is generally nefarious, and much differently used than he would use TOR and privoxy in their normal ways, which is to browse anonymously. The anonymous part does NOT come from privoxy, but rather comes from TOR, a separate program.



It makes him appear as a different IP every time he connects.

Unless I misunderstand his statement above, he uses TOR and privoxy for their standard usage, which is for FIREFOX...not for WOW...

Thus, it is my opinion that you make assumptions about his game play that I believe to be incorrect.

[neomist]

Well here is Blizzards second response to my rebuttal. Now they are stating that I was suspended for account sharing. Got three different reasons now, :laugh::laugh:


Greetings,

Thank you for taking the time to contact us regarding the World of Warcraft account you are using. The account JXXXXXXXX has been reviewed a second time. After a detailed investigation, it has again been verified that the World of Warcraft account in question was accessed by a third party (for example, a sibling, friend and/or leveling service) for the purpose of advancing characters on the account in any way (for example, gaining levels, honor, and/or wealth).

Account Name: JXXXXXXXXXX
Realm: Suramar
Character Name: XXXXXX

Offense: Terms of Use Violation - Account Sharing

Details: Unauthorized Account Access Policy Violation - Account Sharing

This category applies to players who have:
· Willingly shared their account information with others
· Allowed others to access their account


I sent them one last reply that has not been answer yet.

[caldepen]

Greetings,

Thank you for taking the time to contact us regarding the World of Warcraft account you are using. The account JXXXXXXXX has been reviewed a second time. After a detailed investigation, it has again been verified that the World of Warcraft account in question was accessed by a third party (for example, a sibling, friend and/or leveling service) for the purpose of advancing characters on the account in any way (for example, gaining levels, honor, and/or wealth).

That is exactly word for word the email I received! Check again, try logging in with the game. I never received any email stating I was reinstated I just tried it again and it worked even after being "permabanned". Keep emailing them declaring your innocence (provided you are innocent). They must have taken a look at my characters and realized that there is no way I shared my account for the purpose of advancement because they are, at best, average.

[rottentomato]

but the thing is, regardless of his characters gear, he wasnt permabanned, it was a temp ban that was only 72 hours...somehow he has managed to keep this thread going for more than the 72 hours, and keeps nagging blizz about stuff...

all id have to say still is

BURN THE WITCH!!! BURN THE WITCH!!!

[Xlorep DarkHelm]

You are speaking in generalization about proxy's's...I'm talking about a specific program called privoxy. ....different things...

Actually, I start with the generalization, and then focus on the specific. I've constructed a privoxy before. Years ago, mostly out of curiosity.

Sure, call it spoofing if you wish, but I believe that misrepresents the program, since spoofing is generally nefarious, and much differently used than he would use TOR and privoxy in their normal ways, which is to browse anonymously. The anonymous part does NOT come from privoxy, but rather comes from TOR, a separate program.

Unless I misunderstand his statement above, he uses TOR and privoxy for their standard usage, which is for FIREFOX...not for WOW...

Thus, it is my opinion that you make assumptions about his game play that I believe to be incorrect.

Actually, I was going from what he said about his privoxy being used to filter his traffic to appear like he comes from different IPs. I'm not making any assumptions, I am basing my statements off of the OP's statements.

[Valas Azuviir]

The latter would explain why he's been getting the answers that he's been getting, Xlorep.

First it was exploiting the economy, in short it looked like he was mayhaps sharing his account with powerlevellers/goldsellers.

Then it became, logging into from a geographic area drastically different from the one to which the account is registered. The age old, logging in from NY, NY at one point, and then logging in from Beijing, China the next hour.

Now it's account sharing, could still be with goldsellers, could be with family. So, NY, NY to Venice Beach, California.

Or in short, the proxy is creating so much false data, that even Blizzard's head is starting to spin and no longer sure what the heck is going on. Most prudent course would be to no longer use it, lest one GM decides to just cut straight through all the smoke and just do a preventive permaban and invoking the we can ban you at any time we please clause.

Amount of extra work that you've generated for them, almost justifies them going down that path. Create even more work by persisting and it wouldn't surprise me one danged bit, if they do ban your backside.

Oh and if they do, please no complain threads here. Will just lead to flamewars, and such activities aren't very conductive to me having a good mood. Tends to make me grouchy and when I get grouchy the banhammer is wielded a lot swifter than normally.

[moopy]

Of course, the sort of traffic volumes involved in playing WoW would upset TOR admins, who prefer that you don't use it for that sort of thing, not to mention that your latency would be horrible. All in all, it's a bad idea for playing WoW.

Rotten,

So, what else weighs the same as a witch? Grape gravy? A small stone? A church? :)

[Kalos]

I really wouldn't keep bothering Blizzard over your account issues. Having two appeals over a relatively minor sentance, to which you appear to have broughtupon yourself through the user of Privoxy anyway, and then continuing to make a fuss is only going to irritate them. They've made up their mind not one but three times. I'm fairly sure at this point it's going to stick; the apparent evidence to your supposed guilt created by your own security measure has made the truth inpenetratable for Blizzard to see, such is the function of a proxy.

Persisting is really only going to waste time better spent on other things, for both you and the poor GMs who have really given your case more evaluation time than most action ever usually recieves.

[neomist]

Here is the final response from Blizzard, thanks for everyone who helped out.

Greetings,

Thank you for taking the time to contact us regarding the World of Warcraft account you are using. We understand your point of view and have thoroughly reviewed this issue. As a result, the account action has been removed from the account and all involved parties have been addressed. We apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused.


Please feel free to contact us with any further questions or concerns you may have. Thank you for your time and patience in this matter and your continued interest in World of Warcraft.

Regards,

XXXXXX
Account Administration Supervisor
Blizzard Entertainment

And for everyone who immediately went for my jugular.......:grin::grin::grin:


Also just wanted to let everyone know I did edit some of mine and Blizzards responses, for personal security reason, while also trying to give Blizzard some autonomy in why they distracted this action.

[Xlorep DarkHelm]

Not bad, but I'd be careful about using the privoxy for any connections with WoW.

[rottentomato]

http://soli.inav.net/~myorek/faircop.jpg

moopy...id say a duck

[neomist]

Not bad, but I'd be careful about using the privoxy for any connections with WoW.

I have since uninstalled the program. The general consensus here seems there are more effective ways to add security. :thumbsup:

[Etrin]

I have since uninstalled the program. The general consensus here seems there are more effective ways to add security. :thumbsup:


yep wow is a security risk...but most don't want to think about it.

oh wait you mean the proxy?

[Valas Azuviir]

yep wow is a security risk...but most don't want to think about it.

oh wait you mean the proxy?

*Sticks dunce cap on Etrin and puts him in the corner*

Not another peep out of you, we finally got this thread resolved peacefully. No inciting a riot please.