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Xini
05-11-2007, 08:13 PM
Wonder when it will start :smiley:
Anyone know how Blizzard chooses who get a Beta-Key, or do only the ones that was on Blizzcon get to join?

Heard people got mails from Blizzard containing Beta-Key(s) when the TBC Beta was, or am I wrong now?

I just hope I get a spot this time :]

(And, do you think this site will have Beta-Key giveaway this time aswell? :shocked: would be awesome :tongue: )

Xlorep DarkHelm
05-11-2007, 08:46 PM
There is no information about it at this time. Blizzard hasn't said when it starts, who will be participating, or what options (if any) fansites would have for contests/giveaways for any keys.

Heck, the BlizzCon beta pass is for an "upcoming Blizzard game", last I checked (on the card I got from Blizzcon '07), it *could* be for WotLK, but it also could be for StarCraft II, or whatever "Team 3's" project is.

Xini
05-11-2007, 09:05 PM
There is no information about it at this time. Blizzard hasn't said when it starts, who will be participating, or what options (if any) fansites would have for contests/giveaways for any keys.

Heck, the BlizzCon beta pass is for an "upcoming Blizzard game", last I checked (on the card I got from Blizzcon '07), it *could* be for WotLK, but it also could be for StarCraft II, or whatever "Team 3's" project is.


Yes, I know, but I never said that the card you got at Blizzcon IS for WotLK.
But last year the people that attended to Blizzcon got to join TBC Beta ;)

And I know they havent said when it starts, I WONDER when it starts, dont want a correct answer, I am just speculating in my own mind :P
But I still dont get why they have the Beta-Key signup thing on www.worldofwarcraft.com website :P

And we dont know what the Team 3's project is, seems further away then SC2 and WotLK is ;) So I would guess that the Beta-Key is for one of those two.


(sorry if my english isnt 100%, not my native language ;P)

Polaba
05-11-2007, 09:47 PM
Your english is better than mine, Xini, and I live in MA lol...
Does anyone know when the Beta will open roughly? (within the year?)

Xini
05-11-2007, 10:04 PM
Your english is better than mine, Xini, and I live in MA lol...
Does anyone know when the Beta will open roughly? (within the year?)

I really hope it will start around the end of December :) But that may be abit optimistic :tongue:

As long as it starts before March, I'll be happy:)

(if 2.3 comes in a week or two, and 2.4 comes on the PTR a week or two after 2.3 goes down, then when 2.4 comes, then the 2.5 patch to prepare for WotLK (Similar to 1.12 -> 2.01) should come around... February mabye?)

May be very optimistic here, but I hope that what I wrote above will be kinda accurate :laugh:

Well... If the F&F (Friends & Family) Alpha has started allready (Which I dont know if it is) then the Beta shouldnt be too far away I suppose(?)

Xlorep DarkHelm
05-11-2007, 10:14 PM
I haven't heard any rumblings from my contacts that would know if the F&F Alpha started or not... but that doesn't necessarily mean it hasn't started, just they haven't slilpped up and let on that they were doing it.

As to the beta sign-up for WotLK, yeah.... I almost forgot about that page, and that I had signed up on it. But, I had signed up for TBC months and months in advance of when the beta happening.

If I had to hazard a guess, the Beta might, at the earliest, be around January. More likely would be May, considering how little rumblings there is on it from Blizzard.

Xini
05-11-2007, 10:20 PM
I haven't heard any rumblings from my contacts that would know if the F&F Alpha started or not... but that doesn't necessarily mean it hasn't started, just they haven't slilpped up and let on that they were doing it.


Contacts? :shocked:

test.worldofwarcraft.com forbidden :shocked:

Or is that the normal PTR website? lol :p

If I should make a guess out in the wild, I guess the F&F Alpha starts in the end of November (Around the 22th-30th), but just guessing ;)

Your Average WoW Player
05-11-2007, 11:34 PM
My guess is they'll do it like they did with TBC, which was just for those who went to Blizzcon '05.

But again, an "Up and coming Blizzard Beta" could mean anything. Not necessarily WotLK.

Xini
06-11-2007, 12:22 AM
My guess is they'll do it like they did with TBC, which was just for those who went to Blizzcon '05.

But again, an "Up and coming Blizzard Beta" could mean anything. Not necessarily WotLK.

I think people got random invites from Blizzard via email aswell, and some people won beta keys on this website ;) many people :P

Xlorep DarkHelm
06-11-2007, 12:40 AM
Contacts? :shocked:

More of a "I know people who know people who know people" kind of thing. As a software developer in SoCal, who's (relatively new) boss was part of the game development world for a long time.

test.worldofwarcraft.com forbidden :shocked:

Doesn't mean anything. First off, the F&F Alpha would most likely be using an internal network name for Blizzard at first, and then may or may not have an actual DNS host/domain name on the internet (IE -- it might be a strict IP address currently). This would more or less all render the domain you listed above as useless for determining the status of the F&F Alpha.

Or is that the normal PTR website? lol :p

I forget.

If I should make a guess out in the wild, I guess the F&F Alpha starts in the end of November (Around the 22th-30th), but just guessing ;)

Not entirely certain. I (personally) think that is optimistic. Thenagain, it could be going right now. It is relatively irrelevant however, as the start of the F&F Alpha has no relation to when the Beta starts. From what I saw (and heard) at BlizzCon, there is still quite a bit for Blizzard to work on to get WotLK built.

I think people got random invites from Blizzard via email aswell, and some people won beta keys on this website ;) many people :P

Not at first.

Xini
06-11-2007, 12:52 AM
More of a "I know people who know people who know people" kind of thing. As a software developer in SoCal, who's (relatively new) boss was part of the game development world for a long time.



Doesn't mean anything. First off, the F&F Alpha would most likely be using an internal network name for Blizzard at first, and then may or may not have an actual DNS host/domain name on the internet (IE -- it might be a strict IP address currently). This would more or less all render the domain you listed above as useless for determining the status of the F&F Alpha.




I forget.



Not entirely certain. I (personally) think that is optimistic. Thenagain, it could be going right now. It is relatively irrelevant however, as the start of the F&F Alpha has no relation to when the Beta starts. From what I saw (and heard) at BlizzCon, there is still quite a bit for Blizzard to work on to get WotLK built.



Not at first.

TBC F&F Alpha had www.worldofwarcraft.com/expansion/download/ I think :tongue:
Oooor beta.worldofwarcraft.com/expansion/download
or was that mabye the beta.. damn.. my memory is bad lol
http://blizzard.vo.llnwd.net/o16/content/

This is where the Patches / WoW client is Downloaded from ( I THINK )

But ofc, the damned site is forbidden, no way to check if there is other cool stuff to DL there then :P

Xlorep DarkHelm
06-11-2007, 01:15 AM
TBC F&F Alpha had www.worldofwarcraft.com/expansion/download/ I think :tongue:
Oooor beta.worldofwarcraft.com/expansion/download
or was that mabye the beta.. damn.. my memory is bad lol

that was the beta. The Alpha was not openly revealed, it is covered by an NDA.

** REMOVING LINK **

This is where the Patches / WoW client is Downloaded from ( I THINK )

Umm... that doesn't look like a Blizzard address. In fact, that looks like a very bad address. I just did a DNS lookup on blizzard.vo.llnwd.net (or rather, llnwd.net) -- and I would strongly recommend for people to not follow that link.

But ofc, the damned site is forbidden, no way to check if there is other cool stuff to DL there then :P

Look, the beta hasn't started, period. Nothing to download, at all.

Xini
06-11-2007, 01:37 AM
that was the beta. The Alpha was not openly revealed, it is covered by an NDA.



Umm... that doesn't look like a Blizzard address. In fact, that looks like a very bad address. I just did a DNS lookup on blizzard.vo.llnwd.net (or rather, llnwd.net) -- and I would strongly recommend for people to not follow that link.



Look, the beta hasn't started, period. Nothing to download, at all.


By the way. If you dont trust me on that website, then lol...

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=106616624&postId=1066473224&sid=1#3
There a little gnome posted the link, a GM has 3 posts in it.. Hmmm why did he let the link stay there if it is a bad link...?

I hate paranoid people...

AND

Here is a discription of the Blizzard Downloader and how it works, and description of that website and why it is related to the Blizzard Downloader

http://www.networkuptime.com/wow/page02-09.html

Dont come here and tell me that blizzard.vo.llnwd.net/o16/content is a friggin bad link because then I get angry...!


(And, I didnt mean that the other stuff you could possibly download from that website is the Beta, but mabye F&F Alpha, the Blizzcon Trial Version of WotLK etc... Or mabye it is nothing at all on that website except patches and WoW client(s)... who knows...)

http://www.aboutus.org/Llnwd.net

The Content Delivery Network for Digital Media

Limelight Networks is the leading content delivery network for Internet distribution of video, music, games and downloads. Limelight’s advanced content delivery network provides the world’s top media companies high performance delivery of digital media and software via the Internet.

Limelight Networks has created a scalable system for distributed digital media delivery to large audiences. Limelight’s delivery solutions are uniquely tailored to the specific needs of those doing distributed on-demand and live delivery of video, music, games and downloads.

• IPTV Set-Top Box Providers • Terrestrial TV Stations • Online-Only TV Stations • Video Clip Streaming Services • Movie/Video Download Services • Movie Studios • Live Events • Terrestrial Radio Stations • Online-Only Radio Stations • Music Download Services • Subscription or On-Demand Audio Service • Podcasting • Video Game Developers • Video Game Distributors • Video Game Fan Sites • Software Delivery • High-Traffic Media and Web Sites • Social Networking • Online Advertising


Didnt do a deep research, did we?

Xlorep DarkHelm
06-11-2007, 01:49 AM
It was a link from a domain which was not recognized as owned/handled by Blizzard, when I did a DNS lookup, it came back with a very vague response. Thus, a red flag was raised in my book. Considering how many people have posted fictitious links here in the recent past, I felt it was important to give a warning.

That said, you seem to be pushing to get information that simply is not available. There is no news about the beta, there is no news about the F&F Alpha (and if there was, people involved are under an NDA and can't say anyway). There is no evidence that WotLK is even remotely close to the beta, in fact, based on observations from the information that is (and isn't) available for WotLK right now, I'd not expect the beta to be for a few months at least.

Xini
06-11-2007, 02:03 AM
It was a link from a domain which was not recognized as owned/handled by Blizzard, when I did a DNS lookup, it came back with a very vague response. Thus, a red flag was raised in my book. Considering how many people have posted fictitious links here in the recent past, I felt it was important to give a warning.

That said, you seem to be pushing to get information that simply is not available. There is no news about the beta, there is no news about the F&F Alpha (and if there was, people involved are under an NDA and can't say anyway). There is no evidence that WotLK is even remotely close to the beta, in fact, based on observations from the information that is (and isn't) available for WotLK right now, I'd not expect the beta to be for a few months at least.

How else to get information than to push?

There is always information to be found if you want it bad enough (Hacking into Blizzard's websites looking around etc.. but I wont do that lol)
(OR! Break into Blizzard's HQ and steal their PC's :P Im in ur HQz Stealin ur computarz :P)
But I am no theif, just a curious nab

BUT! The main reason that I made this topic was to SPECULATE about the Beta (Alpha aswell :P)


Now, as that is said, tell me wtf NDA means :grin:

Nethaera said on the US WoW Forum
Please don't forget that the BlizzCon beta keys represent a very small portion of our beta community when it's time for a beta. We take players from various sources when it's time for beta so that as many people as we feel necessary are given the opportunity to help us test.

There I got an answer on one of my questions :grin:

( http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1531275318&sid=1 )

Xlorep DarkHelm
06-11-2007, 02:44 AM
How else to get information than to push?

Be patient and wait like the rest of us for information.

There is always information to be found if you want it bad enough (Hacking into Blizzard's websites looking around etc.. but I wont do that lol)
(OR! Break into Blizzard's HQ and steal their PC's :P Im in ur HQz Stealin ur computarz :P)
But I am no theif, just a curious nab

True, but what's the point? WotLK will be released, when it is ready (and hopefully not before).

BUT! The main reason that I made this topic was to SPECULATE about the Beta (Alpha aswell :P)

Speculate sure, but with the understanding that nothing is real until the game is launched.

Now, as that is said, tell me wtf NDA means :grin:

Non-Disclosure Agreement. Means that if there is a F&F Alpha going, people who are in it, can't talk about it. They can't even say that they are in it or not. Pushing for the information about the Alpha is relatively futile and pointless. The best option is to wait for announcements from Blizzard about the Beta, when they finally make the announcements.

Xini
06-11-2007, 04:13 PM
Be patient and wait like the rest of us for information.



True, but what's the point? WotLK will be released, when it is ready (and hopefully not before).



Speculate sure, but with the understanding that nothing is real until the game is launched.



Non-Disclosure Agreement. Means that if there is a F&F Alpha going, people who are in it, can't talk about it. They can't even say that they are in it or not. Pushing for the information about the Alpha is relatively futile and pointless. The best option is to wait for announcements from Blizzard about the Beta, when they finally make the announcements.

Damn you are annoying me sometimes ! :tongue:


First, what I mean by "how else to get information than to push" was just an example...

True, but what's the point? WotLK will be released, when it is ready (and hopefully not before).

there is no point.. it was just an example. And all games have bugs (Atleast almost all games :smiley:). I dont care if they release it as TBC with many bugs, that just means people were lazy when testing it mabye? Not reporting bugs etc..?

Speculate sure, but with the understanding that nothing is real until the game is launched.

Yes, I know. But some things are infact real ;) (For example that the new the new "Netherweave Cloth" of WotLK is [Frostweave Cloth] :tongue:)

And, if you dont like what I am writing (Since you reply in a negative way all the time) just dont enter this topic then (or post at all) ;) I'm just looking forward to the expansion :thumbsup:

(About that NDA thing, I bet that some of the F&F Alpha testers couldnt keep their mouths :laugh: Rules are made to be broken :tongue: )


The best option is to wait for announcements from Blizzard about the Beta, when they finally make the announcements.

This is why I am SPECULATING :wink:

(Because they havent told anything about it yet, then I speculate on how it is going to be)

Xlorep DarkHelm
06-11-2007, 05:15 PM
Damn you are annoying me sometimes ! :tongue:

First, what I mean by "how else to get information than to push" was just an example...

I though we were having a discussion, sorry.

there is no point.. it was just an example. And all games have bugs (Atleast almost all games :smiley:). I dont care if they release it as TBC with many bugs, that just means people were lazy when testing it mabye? Not reporting bugs etc..?

Not really. It is the nature of any large software project to have bugs. And no amount of testing will get everything. TBC had really not too many bugs, in fact, it was about the smoothest expansion launch I've ever seen in the MMO market. If only WoW had originally launched as stable & smoothly as TBC did.

Yes, I know. But some things are infact real ;) (For example that the new the new "Netherweave Cloth" of WotLK is [Frostweave Cloth] :tongue:)

I don't understand what you are getting at with this statement. Other than stating the obvious.

And, if you dont like what I am writing (Since you reply in a negative way all the time) just dont enter this topic then (or post at all) ;) I'm just looking forward to the expansion :thumbsup:

I'm not replying in a negative way. I am responding to what you wrote. You had asked if anyone knew when the Beta was happening, you had asked when it would start, I've answered that. Further down the thread, you decided to change it to speculating about what will be in WotLK, expanding the topic from your initial inquiry, which is fine by me. But the initial inquiry still has exactly the same answer, which is nobody knows, or rather, nobody who knows is allowed to say.

(About that NDA thing, I bet that some of the F&F Alpha testers couldnt keep their mouths :laugh: Rules are made to be broken :tongue: )

Well, the NDA held pretty well for the TBC alpha, it wasn't until just a little before the Beta started that some people leaked screenshots. Blizzard likes to play with their hand close to their chest.

This is why I am SPECULATING :wink:

(Because they havent told anything about it yet, then I speculate on how it is going to be)

Which is fine. I've speculated in the past as well (despite that not being the tone, or the wording of the original post of this thread)

Valas Azuviir
06-11-2007, 07:36 PM
(Rules are made to be broken :tongue: )



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v515/IS_Wolf/Stuff/therules.jpg

Which reminds me..

Commandment 2, final section does apply to you as well. I've already merged 6 of your replies into 3 new posts, because you were posting back to back within the provided hourly edit time.

Please cease and desist with such actions.

As to the why, the picture says enough, quiaff?? :evil2:

Your Average WoW Player
08-11-2007, 10:51 PM
(About that NDA thing, I bet that some of the F&F Alpha testers couldnt keep their mouths :laugh: Rules are made to be broken :tongue: )

Breaking NDAs can be very serious at times. Usually the stuff that's covered by an NDA is rather secretive stuff that they don't want getting out to competitors. If someone where to break the NDA, and something rather important/big to the game got out, and was taken by another MMORPG and then they said:
"HEY LOOK AT THIS NEW FEATURE IN THE NEXT PATCH!" When "New feature" is a basterdized (but clearly visible) version of something in say WotLK, it could turn VERY, VERY, VERY ugly.

I'm not 100% sure, but breaking an NDA could be punishable by law, usually with a hefty fine.

And Valas, your picture is brokened.

Xlorep DarkHelm
08-11-2007, 11:10 PM
I'm not 100% sure, but breaking an NDA could be punishable by law, usually with a hefty fine.

At the very least, it will most likely end up with whatever Blizzard Employee is responsible for the party who broke the NDA being unemployed, I imagine.

Valas Azuviir
08-11-2007, 11:10 PM
And Valas, your picture is brokened.

*whistles innocently*
Don't know what you are talking about. :tongue: