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reflector
07-11-2007, 07:45 PM
My Apologies if this is in a wrong section of these forums.

I've made a letter to Blizzard, since i can't find a fanmail adress nor get to the forums (inactive account) i would appreciate it if anyone would mind posting this on official forums (You don't even have to read it) so it eventually reaches Blizzard.



Good day Blizzard Employee who is reading this,


With this letter I’d first of all like to congratulate everyone who helped developing World of Warcraft. Your effort really did pay of and delivered the highest rank of entertainment to me and tons of other players. But I am not sending this letter only to congratulate the team but also to share some of my general thoughts I have about the game and the developing of it.
I always have loved fantasy worlds that well thought of and I dream of creating a fantasy universe myself. Whet ever it’s a book a movie or a game like you guys did. Being a (small) part of a huge world that perfectly fits together is just wonderful. Currently a massively multiplayer online game is the best way to express this throughout people who can’t imagine what it would be like to live in such a world.

Please don’t mind my spelling I’ll give some personal background on that and of myself at the end of the mail.


Visiting the official WoW-Forums really hurts. People have no respect for the huge effort you guys did put into the game. The forums are very misleading in my opinion. You have to know people are asking for buffs and nerfs just because they can! If WoW would be a closed MMO (no patching anymore I mean by that) they wouldn’t do that.
Mainly all the requests are about 1v1 Pvp’ing. Don’t listen to them, they only post those requests because they can! If there would be a serious flaw in the balance of classes you know you would notice yourselves!
And if you do need some research on balancing, test it yourselves! Duel characters from different classes (and specs) that are somewhat the same geared and see! Eventually if the gear is the same it should all be in the fingers. You could also get game masters to ask people what class they fear the most or that are from their view easy(er) to beat. At first I thought statistics would help but at the end those wouldn’t be trustworthy.

Another aspect of the game is Raiding. It sounds really hard when balancing PvP not to effect a classes use/role in Pve too much.
Raiding works great. The only thing I pitty is that with the come of a new expansion most of the then became ‘older’ raids will totally be forgotten and not participated in anymore. Who would care to do a Karazhan run if you can directly start at a much higher raiding point with the gear you are going to collect in the next levels (Example : 70+ in wrath of the lich king) Molten Core, Onyxia’s Lair all less used and it’s a shame not all players get to see it. You aren’t going to tell me that doesn’t hurt your developer hearts :P. You could make those raids obligated, in order to do the others, like pre-quest or attunement requirement. (I don’t know anything about raiding really) But people would just rush through them once, leaving them cold, they’ll just look at it as necessary. Nothing much to do about that really I’m afraid. Pity.

About patching, every big ‘2.X.0’-patch the community sees changes to various spells of various classes. I know we are paying you to evolve the game but remember you aren’t obligated to constantly change classes and spells. If classes are balanced at one point of the game don’t bother changing them anymore then. I understand it is necessary to do this (specially with new expansions in sight) but take small steps at the time. It would resolve in less chaotic community ‘requests’. Still you’re doing a great job on adding other extra content.

I was planning to write something about ‘finishing’ WoW as in not bringing out expansions or big extra content anymore. But that would be plainly selfish. Although I could name some advantages of this, the community has proven to appreciate extra content so I’ll just go with the flo. And not adding extra content would eventually kill lots of jobs at blizzard and might even mean the lose of some players.


Here’s a little background on myself. I decided to put this rather at the end of the letter because boring stuff like this prevents people from reading a letter and should be able to be skipped. Please continue reading in non-Italic if you find this boring. I’m a 16-year old person who lives in Europe with his parents. I received a 10-day trial of a friend of mine around the time that burning crusade was about to be released. I loved the game and by the time I’m writing this letter my character nearly is at the current level cap, although my account is frozen at the moment. I can’t/won’t afford the game every month because of my tiny allowance and I’m quite busy with school also. Although I wouldn’t refuse if someone offers me a month of playtime. Basically with this I’d like to apologise for my bad English!



So what was this? Fanmail, suggestions, feedback or even trash, you name it, I don’t even know myself. I just wanted to let you know all of this so badly. Like a citizen who wants to do his duty. I hope that I set at least on blizzard employee thinking in ‘Hey, you know what, that crazy kid is right.’ Whatever happens to my mail from the moment you read it is up to you guys. I just hope I’ll found out what you did to it one day.

And again congratulations on making such a nice world into such a beautiful game!

mesonm
07-11-2007, 08:10 PM
So, you have an inactive WOW account, and want blizz to read this? (I didn't, as you suggested...)

And, do what with it?

Nice first post tho....

OneMadOgre
07-11-2007, 09:01 PM
http://www.blizzard.com/inblizz/contact.shtml

Blizzard Entertainment
P.O. Box 18979
Irvine, CA 92623

Xlorep DarkHelm
07-11-2007, 09:17 PM
Visiting the official WoW-Forums really hurts. People have no respect for the huge effort you guys did put into the game. The forums are very misleading in my opinion. You have to know people are asking for buffs and nerfs just because they can! If WoW would be a closed MMO (no patching anymore I mean by that) they wouldn’t do that.
Mainly all the requests are about 1v1 Pvp’ing. Don’t listen to them, they only post those requests because they can! If there would be a serious flaw in the balance of classes you know you would notice yourselves!
And if you do need some research on balancing, test it yourselves! Duel characters from different classes (and specs) that are somewhat the same geared and see! Eventually if the gear is the same it should all be in the fingers. You could also get game masters to ask people what class they fear the most or that are from their view easy(er) to beat. At first I thought statistics would help but at the end those wouldn’t be trustworthy.

They don't pay any attention to the inane posts in the official forums. This has been repeated, ad nausium, by Blizzard employees, pretty much at the drop of a hat. They do sift the posts for something relevant and of good quality, but it is a painstaking process.

Another aspect of the game is Raiding. It sounds really hard when balancing PvP not to effect a classes use/role in Pve too much.
Raiding works great. The only thing I pitty is that with the come of a new expansion most of the then became ‘older’ raids will totally be forgotten and not participated in anymore. Who would care to do a Karazhan run if you can directly start at a much higher raiding point with the gear you are going to collect in the next levels (Example : 70+ in wrath of the lich king) Molten Core, Onyxia’s Lair all less used and it’s a shame not all players get to see it. You aren’t going to tell me that doesn’t hurt your developer hearts :P. You could make those raids obligated, in order to do the others, like pre-quest or attunement requirement. (I don’t know anything about raiding really) But people would just rush through them once, leaving them cold, they’ll just look at it as necessary. Nothing much to do about that really I’m afraid. Pity.

I don't see this as a problem. It is basically the same thing in any MMO expansion, the push is to new content, not old content.

About patching, every big ‘2.X.0’-patch the community sees changes to various spells of various classes. I know we are paying you to evolve the game but remember you aren’t obligated to constantly change classes and spells. If classes are balanced at one point of the game don’t bother changing them anymore then. I understand it is necessary to do this (specially with new expansions in sight) but take small steps at the time. It would resolve in less chaotic community ‘requests’. Still you’re doing a great job on adding other extra content.

People pay for the services rendered (mainly, the server upkeeps, etc). The content patches don't need to happen, but they are what Blizzard wants to do. And, the patches are small steps. The Expansions are big steps.

I was planning to write something about ‘finishing’ WoW as in not bringing out expansions or big extra content anymore. But that would be plainly selfish. Although I could name some advantages of this, the community has proven to appreciate extra content so I’ll just go with the flo. And not adding extra content would eventually kill lots of jobs at blizzard and might even mean the lose of some players.

It would be actually self-defeating. MMOs are not designed to be "finished". It is relatively foolish to suggest otherwise. If the game was "finished", people would complete it, and then go looking for something else. Especially if there was nothing new at all coming out for it. This would seriously impact the business model, and therefore, as I said, is fundamentally self-defeating in every possible way.

Here’s a little background on myself. I decided to put this rather at the end of the letter because boring stuff like this prevents people from reading a letter and should be able to be skipped. Please continue reading in non-Italic if you find this boring. I’m a 16-year old person who lives in Europe with his parents. I received a 10-day trial of a friend of mine around the time that burning crusade was about to be released. I loved the game and by the time I’m writing this letter my character nearly is at the current level cap, although my account is frozen at the moment. I can’t/won’t afford the game every month because of my tiny allowance and I’m quite busy with school also. Although I wouldn’t refuse if someone offers me a month of playtime. Basically with this I’d like to apologise for my bad English!

Sorry for you. Really. I'm playing a violin over here. Trust me.

So what was this? Fanmail, suggestions, feedback or even trash, you name it, I don’t even know myself. I just wanted to let you know all of this so badly. Like a citizen who wants to do his duty. I hope that I set at least on blizzard employee thinking in ‘Hey, you know what, that crazy kid is right.’ Whatever happens to my mail from the moment you read it is up to you guys. I just hope I’ll found out what you did to it one day.

And again congratulations on making such a nice world into such a beautiful game!

Well, for the most part, your letter is the same old, same old --the "suggestions" you gave are almost identical to suggestions (word for word identical) others have given before. They are also spoken from an apparent position of ignorance toward what an MMO is and isn't, and how games like this are developed, as well as how a business operates. Other than that, you tried to mask your complaints with flowery words at the beginning and end, trying to make it sound nice.

xDarkDrifterx
07-11-2007, 09:28 PM
I’m a 16-year old person who lives in Europe with his parents . . . Basically with this I’d like to apologise for my bad English!

So being European means you don't have to use spellcheck? I think we'd all be okay with a few words but damn, lol - In the time it took him to write all that "let me tell you about me" crap, and why he can't spell - he could have spellchecked the entire document - and it's supposed to be some nice letter to a company . . . lol :laugh:


Sorry for you. Really. I'm playing a violin over here. Trust me.

ROFL!! /violin

Well, for the most part, your letter is the same old, same old --the "suggestions" you gave are almost identical to suggestions (word for word identical) others have given before. They are also spoken from an apparent position of ignorance toward what an MMO is and isn't, and how games like this are developed, as well as how a business operates. Other than that, you tried to mask your complaints with flowery words at the beginning and end, trying to make it sound nice.

QFT! It's not a console game . . .

dgrampa
07-11-2007, 10:12 PM
Grats on dissecting some kid's fan letter.

xDarkDrifterx
07-11-2007, 10:16 PM
Grats on dissecting some kid's fan letter.

lol thanks - you win post position number five in this epic thread!

can you tell we're bored :grin:

p.s. - if he's old enough to drive (in the US) he's old enough to spellcheck lol

Xlorep DarkHelm
07-11-2007, 10:27 PM
Well, if someone posts a letter like that on a public forum system, what does he expect to get, milk and cookies?

rgirty
07-11-2007, 10:33 PM
grampa vs. xlorep round 2.

dgrampa
07-11-2007, 10:40 PM
Well, if someone posts a letter like that on a public forum system, what does he expect to get, milk and cookies?

Bah, he is just a hopeful wide-eyed kid. He has plenty of time to be cynical once he grows up. He just wanted to share his suggestions, and he did so in a polite manner. Much more civil than most of the garbage you find on the officials.

Also, DD, after re-reading it, I didn't see any mis-spellings that couldn't just be typos. I sure as hell don't use spell check on my posts. The grammer could use a little work, but if english is his second language I'd say he is doing fine.

The asking for a handout bit is a little immature, but hey, kids will be kids.

EDIT: lol RG c'mon now can't 2 guys just have a discussion without any hype? (Besides this would be at least round 3 or 4, if it were a round, which it is not.)

Xlorep DarkHelm
07-11-2007, 11:43 PM
grampa vs. xlorep round 2.

Is he talking? My response was to what DarkDrifter said. I don't see dgrampa's posts.

rgirty
07-11-2007, 11:57 PM
I'm loggin off these boards for a while. good luck with the battle over the fan letter guys.

Xlorep DarkHelm
08-11-2007, 12:06 AM
What battle?

det
08-11-2007, 02:27 PM
This is another one of those threads that I don't "get".

The letter itself isn't that groundbreaking new, to arouse any interest at Blizzard. But that is just the way people are at 16 mostly. Hell...I bet I was like that, but my english certainly was not as good. So no need to apologize for it and no need to flame him for it (yes, it could still have been auto-spellchecked by WORD or such)

No reason to tear the guy apart, but also I still wonder why the OP posts this letter and doesn't come back to us about it? I mean..this ain't the mail delivery station to Blizzard last time I checked....

dgrampa
08-11-2007, 02:45 PM
This is another one of those threads that I don't "get".

The letter itself isn't that groundbreaking new, to arouse any interest at Blizzard. But that is just the way people are at 16 mostly. Hell...I bet I was like that, but my english certainly was not as good. So no need to apologize for it and no need to flame him for it (yes, it could still have been auto-spellchecked by WORD or such)

No reason to tear the guy apart, but also I still wonder why the OP posts this letter and doesn't come back to us about it? I mean..this ain't the mail delivery station to Blizzard last time I checked....

Heh, ADD most likely.

OneMadOgre
08-11-2007, 04:34 PM
This is another one of those threads that I don't "get".

The letter itself isn't that groundbreaking new, to arouse any interest at Blizzard. But that is just the way people are at 16 mostly. Hell...I bet I was like that, but my english certainly was not as good. So no need to apologize for it and no need to flame him for it (yes, it could still have been auto-spellchecked by WORD or such)

No reason to tear the guy apart, but also I still wonder why the OP posts this letter and doesn't come back to us about it? I mean..this ain't the mail delivery station to Blizzard last time I checked....

It's not? I keep printing out these good suggestions and mailing them in.... You mean I'm not getting a check back for postage?

xDarkDrifterx
08-11-2007, 06:45 PM
Also, DD, after re-reading it, I didn't see any mis-spellings that couldn't just be typos. I sure as hell don't use spell check on my posts.

Same, some of my posts have horrible grammar if Im busy and forget to spell check it, the point was (age aside) that it was some official letter to Blizzard about xy and z and you'd think that he would have spell checked it. I found it humurous that he went in to a bit about himself in the letter and why his english is poor, but never did a simple spellcheck. Seemed funny to me.

/shrug lol

Xlorep DarkHelm
08-11-2007, 07:31 PM
"I'm neber responcabel fer my comuter's spleling errnors."

rgirty
08-11-2007, 07:37 PM
I don't spell check or grammar check any of my posts.

Round 1 goes to xlorep for the response of "what battle"

Zendarin
08-11-2007, 09:55 PM
I don't think dgrampa was aware that Xlorep has him on ignore. Seemed like a battle was ensuing but without Xlorep responding it was pretty much a one sided battle and those tend to die pretty quickly ;)

Xlorep DarkHelm
08-11-2007, 10:03 PM
I don't think dgrampa was aware that Xlorep has him on ignore. Seemed like a battle was ensuing but without Xlorep responding it was pretty much a one sided battle and those tend to die pretty quickly ;)

Hence the entire purpose of me putting dgrampa on ignore. Can't be provoked to respond to what I can't see. It prevents me from stirring the pot, and helps keep the forums a bit more "civil".

dgrampa
08-11-2007, 11:18 PM
I don't think dgrampa was aware that Xlorep has him on ignore. Seemed like a battle was ensuing but without Xlorep responding it was pretty much a one sided battle and those tend to die pretty quickly ;)

No I wasn't trying to provoke a battle. And yes, I know he put me on ignore. I just thought it was odd to see people ripping into some desperate kid's starry-eyed post.

Algamonn
12-11-2007, 05:38 PM
It may sound old-fashioned, but I cannot stand poor spelling and grammar. Fine, English may not be his first language, but he needs to learn to spell or at least learn how to use spellcheck if he is going to send letters to organisations.

Constant poor spelling would lead me to bin the letter. Sorry. It just irritates me to the back teeth.

The one thing that unnerves me the most is this current fad where "lose" and "loose" are interchangeable. For God`s sake, you "lose" something when you cannot find it anymore, and you "loosen" something when you make it less tight! It then becomes "loose"!

If I worked at Blizzard, I would throw an ill-conceived letter like this in the bin.

xDarkDrifterx
12-11-2007, 05:55 PM
I just thought it was odd to see people ripping into some desperate kid's starry-eyed post.

It's not like this was some post from some 8 year old, kids his age are having babies . . .

Findariel
12-11-2007, 06:11 PM
Raiding works great. The only thing I pitty is that with the come of a new expansion most of the then became ‘older’ raids will totally be forgotten and not participated in anymore. Who would care to do a Karazhan run if you can directly start at a much higher raiding point with the gear you are going to collect in the next levels (Example : 70+ in wrath of the lich king) Molten Core, Onyxia’s Lair all less used and it’s a shame not all players get to see it. You aren’t going to tell me that doesn’t hurt your developer hearts :P. You could make those raids obligated, in order to do the others, like pre-quest or attunement requirement. (I don’t know anything about raiding really) But people would just rush through them once, leaving them cold, they’ll just look at it as necessary. Nothing much to do about that really I’m afraid. Pity.
I DO agree with this.
Why not "upgrade" the old content with say heroic versions each next expansion for example? It's indeed a bit sad that more and more (enjoyable) content is going to waste.

DrScience
12-11-2007, 06:46 PM
We were all kids at some point. The kid just wants someone to read his letter. We all know he won't get anything out of it, but would it kill you guys to be polite and just humor him?

What is it about the internet that makes people so jaded and mean-spirited? This kid did nothing to you guys and you're actually picking apart his letter, word for word.

Good on ya kid, nice letter, but i don't think its gonna go too far ):

Tort
12-11-2007, 07:01 PM
Who knew we had so many jerks on these forums?

Oh wait, alot of us did....

Xlorep DarkHelm
12-11-2007, 07:11 PM
We were all kids at some point. The kid just wants someone to read his letter. We all know he won't get anything out of it, but would it kill you guys to be polite and just humor him?

I read it, I made responses to it, as is the method of making responses on a forum. Yes, I was a kid once, and I took criticism into consideration and used to to formulate a better argument even when I was a kid. I may have been harsh at the end, but it was a summary of what I saw when I read the letter. Posting it on a public forum is an automatic understanding that people are going to respond to it, positively, negatively, or what have you.

What is it about the internet that makes people so jaded and mean-spirited? This kid did nothing to you guys and you're actually picking apart his letter, word for word.

Nothing jaded about it, I dissected the letter, since it was posted on a public forum that allowed me to do so. The effort was to help the original poster to see the individual responses to each subject/topic the poster was making in that letter. If criticism and responses were not what was wanted, then maybe, perhaps posting it on a forum like this wasn't the best choice.

det
12-11-2007, 07:14 PM
We were all kids at some point. The kid just wants someone to read his letter. We all know he won't get anything out of it, but would it kill you guys to be polite and just humor him?

What is it about the internet that makes people so jaded and mean-spirited? This kid did nothing to you guys and you're actually picking apart his letter, word for word.

Good on ya kid, nice letter, but i don't think its gonna go too far ):

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Look up forum (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/forum) in
Wiktionary (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiktionary), the free dictionary.

For Wikipedia's forum, see Wikipedia:Village pump (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump). Forum, (Latin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin), plural "fora" or "forums") may refer to:

Forum (Roman) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forum_%28Roman%29), an open public space in the middle of a Roman city, especially the Roman Forum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Forum) (eg Roman Forum, Philippi (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Roman_Forum%2C_Philippi&action=edit))
Forum (legal) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forum_%28legal%29), a designated space for public expression
Forum (education) (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Forum_%28education%29&action=edit), a form of instruction or lecturing
Internet forum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_forum), a discussion board on the InternetThis is a pretty public forum. He posted a letter for people to read or not read. People express their opinions. Some say "Well done", others pick the post apart. The ones who pick the post apart might more honest about it (but blunt) than the ones who say "Nice post". Because...is it really that nice?

Anyhow, yes...we have the tendency to end up at each others throats while the OPs never return. Scared away? Distracted?

EDIT: Bleh, Xlorep DarkHelm beat me to it with a much better response.

xDarkDrifterx
12-11-2007, 07:39 PM
Who knew we had so many jerks on these forums?


Care to elaborate on your stance?

DrScience
12-11-2007, 07:47 PM
I dissected the letter, since it was posted on a public forum that allowed me to do so.

just because you can, doesen't mean you have to. i bet this kids not even gonna be posting here anymore after this. :undecided:

rgirty
12-11-2007, 08:01 PM
I read it, I made responses to it, as is the method of making responses on a forum. Yes, I was a kid once, and I took criticism into consideration and used to to formulate a better argument even when I was a kid. I may have been harsh at the end, but it was a summary of what I saw when I read the letter. Posting it on a public forum is an automatic understanding that people are going to respond to it, positively, negatively, or what have you.



Nothing jaded about it, I dissected the letter, since it was posted on a public forum that allowed me to do so. The effort was to help the original poster to see the individual responses to each subject/topic the poster was making in that letter. If criticism and responses were not what was wanted, then maybe, perhaps posting it on a forum like this wasn't the best choice.


Round two goes to xlorep for the first multiquote of the thread.

xDarkDrifterx
12-11-2007, 08:02 PM
Round two goes to xlorep for the first multiquote of the thread.

lol :grin:

Xlorep DarkHelm
12-11-2007, 08:52 PM
just because you can, doesen't mean you have to. i bet this kids not even gonna be posting here anymore after this. :undecided:

Actually, my response was a critique, potentially as an effort to answer (and/or respond to) each point from the OP's letter. The responses were not blatantly aggressive or offensive, but they were critical of the individual points, which was the purpose. Telling someone "good job", when what was written was made from a stance of ignorance (intentional or not), is somewhat pointless in my book. Explaining/filling in the details that are apparently unknown from the initial statements are not a criticism of the original poster, but just a criticism of the poster's statements.

Look, public debate and communication, in particularly over a medium like a forum system was something I started developing when I was.... um... 12 I think, when I first started digging around on the ARPNET (predecessor to the Internet for the unwashed masses), as well as the individual BBS systems that existed in my area. If the OP didn't want an objective and/or critical response to his or her statements, posting it on a forum system just wasn't the best move. If the OP wanted only praise or "warm feelings" about the statement, it just isn't my thing. I don't make posts to make sure everyone feels good -- I make posts with the goal of open discussion of the topic presented and/or any paths/threads that derive from that topic. That is, in my book, what the whole point of a forum is -- open debate and discussion of the topics presented. It isn't a place to just make everyone feel good about everything they do.

Polaba
12-11-2007, 09:39 PM
It may sound old-fashioned, but I cannot stand poor spelling and grammar. Fine, English may not be his first language, but he needs to learn to spell or at least learn how to use spellcheck if he is going to send letters to organisations.

Constant poor spelling would lead me to bin the letter. Sorry. It just irritates me to the back teeth.

The one thing that unnerves me the most is this current fad where "lose" and "loose" are interchangeable. For God`s sake, you "lose" something when you cannot find it anymore, and you "loosen" something when you make it less tight! It then becomes "loose"!

If I worked at Blizzard, I would throw an ill-conceived letter like this in the bin.

Actually the correct correction to what the OP said is that it should be "the loss of some players", not loose or lose. Maybe its different in your country because you also spell organis(z)ations with an s, which is custom in Europe. I think.

Does round 3 go to me? Pretty please?

rgirty
12-11-2007, 10:02 PM
Actually the correct correction to what the OP said is that it should be "the loss of some players", not loose or lose. Maybe its different in your country because you also spell organis(z)ations with an s, which is custom in Europe. I think.

Does round 3 go to me? Pretty please?

I'm sorry but xlorep just won the 3rd round with a vicious reference to arpnet and being 12 years old.

He has this thread on the ropes, can he manage a knockout blow with some additional random very rare and obscure displays of nerd rage?

Ding Ding..round 4.

Xlorep DarkHelm
12-11-2007, 10:12 PM
I'm sorry but xlorep just won the 3rd round with a vicious reference to arpnet and being 12 years old.

He has this thread on the ropes, can he manage a knockout blow with some additional random very rare and obscure displays of nerd rage?

Ding Ding..round 4.

Nerd rage?

And I am, by definition, random.

det
13-11-2007, 08:32 AM
Now if that isn't signature material ^^

Algamonn
13-11-2007, 12:00 PM
Actually the correct correction to what the OP said is that it should be "the loss of some players", not loose or lose. Maybe its different in your country because you also spell organis(z)ations with an s, which is custom in Europe. I think.

Does round 3 go to me? Pretty please?

What are you talking about? I know full well that the correction was "loss". I was making a general comment about grammar and spelling, and the general interchangeability which now goes with the words "loose" and "lose".

It was not a direct correction.

So, no, round three does not go to you.

And also, what the hell does the differing ways of spelling "organisation" come into play? But, while we are on the subject, it is the US "custom" of bastardising our mother language with strange and superfluous changes of letters, not the British (not European, they do speak other languages you know), custom. We did, after all, develop this language.

dgrampa
13-11-2007, 02:52 PM
Actually, my response was a critique, potentially as an effort to answer (and/or respond to) each point from the OP's letter. The responses were not blatantly aggressive or offensive, but they were critical of the individual points, which was the purpose. Telling someone "good job", when what was written was made from a stance of ignorance (intentional or not), is somewhat pointless in my book. Explaining/filling in the details that are apparently unknown from the initial statements are not a criticism of the original poster, but just a criticism of the poster's statements.

Look, public debate and communication, in particularly over a medium like a forum system was something I started developing when I was.... um... 12 I think, when I first started digging around on the ARPNET (predecessor to the Internet for the unwashed masses), as well as the individual BBS systems that existed in my area. If the OP didn't want an objective and/or critical response to his or her statements, posting it on a forum system just wasn't the best move. If the OP wanted only praise or "warm feelings" about the statement, it just isn't my thing. I don't make posts to make sure everyone feels good -- I make posts with the goal of open discussion of the topic presented and/or any paths/threads that derive from that topic. That is, in my book, what the whole point of a forum is -- open debate and discussion of the topics presented. It isn't a place to just make everyone feel good about everything they do.

The OP did not ask anyone to read or comment on his letter, he simply asked for it to be passed along to Blizzard. He actually said 'don't read it if you don't want to.' He was polite. He may be a bit naive, but being rude, or harsh was not warranted or necessary.

A better response would have been:
I doubt anyone in this forum would pass this letter along for you, but good luck anyway.

Instead, the thread was reduced to nothing more mature or insightful than any of the millions of threads found on the officials.

Just my 2c, not that you'll read this...:tongue:

inkmva
13-11-2007, 04:04 PM
Taking something like this apart is about as tasteful and meaningful as disecting someones obituary, as far as I'm concerned anyway.

Completly meaningless and people are just left wondering why anyone in their right mind would bother.

piscene
13-11-2007, 04:08 PM
Some people just need a hobby. Or they can spend their time picking apart other people...you know, either way...

rgirty
13-11-2007, 04:13 PM
The OP did not ask anyone to read or comment on his letter, he simply asked for it to be passed along to Blizzard. He actually said 'don't read it if you don't want to.' He was polite. He may be a bit naive, but being rude, or harsh was not warranted or necessary.

A better response would have been:
I doubt anyone in this forum would pass this letter along for you, but good luck anyway.

Instead, the thread was reduced to nothing more mature or insightful than any of the millions of threads found on the officials.

Just my 2c, not that you'll read this...:tongue:


Here we see the dr. landing a swift jab just as everyone thought the battle was over. We are still on the verge of a knockout for the "rumble in the forums" over a kids letter but only time will tell.

Another hard hitting combo by xlorep including multi-quotes, a substantial amount of nerd rage or a high flying combo of public forum justification might yield the knockout blow.

mesonm
13-11-2007, 05:19 PM
The OP did not ask anyone to read or comment on his letter, he simply asked for it to be passed along to Blizzard. He actually said 'don't read it if you don't want to.' He was polite. He may be a bit naive, but being rude, or harsh was not warranted or necessary.

A better response would have been:
I doubt anyone in this forum would pass this letter along for you, but good luck anyway.

Instead, the thread was reduced to nothing more mature or insightful than any of the millions of threads found on the officials.

Just my 2c, not that you'll read this...:tongue:

Honestly, what do you hope to accomplish in your post?

You telling others how they should have responded isn't productive either.

Not that I read it, of course! :grin:

Algamonn
13-11-2007, 05:37 PM
Completly meaningless and people are just left wondering why anyone in their right mind would bother.

Yeah, pointless...just as pointless as trying to hijack the moral high ground by defending the OP!

:evil::laughing:

No, seriously. I was just saying that the way some people write really does jar me. End of. I have said my bit!

:thumbsup:

dgrampa
13-11-2007, 06:30 PM
Here we see the dr. landing a swift jab just as everyone thought the battle was over. We are still on the verge of a knockout for the "rumble in the forums" over a kids letter but only time will tell.

Another hard hitting combo by xlorep including multi-quotes, a substantial amount of nerd rage or a high flying combo of public forum justification might yield the knockout blow.

/gouge
/bandage

Valas Azuviir
13-11-2007, 07:13 PM
Actually, the final blow would go to us folks in green.

*Clank*