Win Trading

[Colossi]

Is this against the ToS? I see high rating teams just win trading on my battlegroups. Although nobody caught them in action, it is pretty obvious that their score exchange are so precise. Winning team with 20-0 and the losing team with 0-20. Shouldn't these players be banned?

[xDarkDrifterx]

It's a small chance to even get that "other" team that they are "trading" with in the random placement of the arena que. At high score levels Im sure that they have a better chance of getting that other team as less are at high ratings in the battlegroup, but there's still not a 100% chance of always getting that team they want to trade with.

IMO - yes if they are doing this then they are abusing the arena system for their own gain (though pretty smart way to do it) but this is not in the spirit of the game. If caught their team should be disbanded and all their seasons points, gear and titles taken away.

[GameyHarp]

No it's not a "small chance" there is a way, I don't know how they do it but, they can match up against that other team every time. I saw a post on the blizz forums for this guy reporting a team for doing that and the GM said to the person that was accused of it "Thats pretty cool actually, it's a great strategy!" or something like that, there was a SS. It doesn't go against ToS and people don't get banned. It's really sad but people do do it and there is nothing anybody can do.

[Spooky xxx]

a post on the blizz forums-

link it then?

[GameyHarp]

I post on these forums at school and can't get to the WoW forums from here but, go to the Archimonde realm forums, and look through the last like 5 pages, it will be there.

[xDarkDrifterx]

No it's not a "small chance" there is a way

I'd like to see that explained (get us a link if you can once you're home), its a random assignment to an arena for the entire battlegroup not just your server. Here's an example.

If you are on my server and que for an arena you can get any random team from any of these servers below that are within your point value. You cannot que for a specific arena.

Stormstrike Battlgroup:

Black Dragonflight PvP
Anetheron PvP
Archimonde PvP
Zuluhed PvP
Dalvengyr PvP
Ysera Normal
Haomarush PvP
Norgannon Normal
Duskwood Normal
Steamwheedle Cartel RP
Ysondre PvP
Khadgar Normal
Thrall Normal
Dalaran Normal
Dentarg PvP
Scilla PvP
Mal'Ganis PvP
Executus PvP
Turalyon Normal
Andorhal PvP

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/pvp/battlegrounds/battlegroups/

"Once your team is in the queue, the matchmaking system will look for other teams with a suitable ranking for you to play against. When it finds a match, both teams are teleported into the arena and the match countdown begins."

source (http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/pvp/arena/index.xml)

Now, if by chance they are the very top team on their server. Then they would que against the very top from other servers in their battlegroup not just tehrir server, which in the case of my battlegroup would be 19 other teams that are the #1 team on their server.

So they have a chance of queing up against 19 other teams if they are #1 - not just 1 other team - if they que at a certain time along with this "other" team to try and farm Arena's - say 4:30 am on a Tuesday - then most likely they could get the same team many times, but the possibility of always getting that team and the possibility of no other team with a rank for them to fight against seems like it would be far and few between. Not completely impossible but highly unlikely IMO.

Queing for battlegrounds and giving and taking wins would be a very easy thing to do, but I'd like to see how this would even begin to be done with arenas.

This team is supposedly basically exploiting the arena system for points, a title, great gear, a free epic dragon mount, etc - and Blizz just says . . . hey that's cool . . .? please gives us that link if you can find it.

[rgirty]

They do it at odd hours and coordinate it over vent.

Its easy it happens a lot.

People like the easy road.

[xDarkDrifterx]

They do it at odd hours and coordinate it over vent.

Its easy it happens a lot.

People like the easy road.

Indeed, but IMO it would be more like a 50-75% chance to get the team you want rather than a 100%. Even coordinating over vent at odd hours. But I guess there's the slim chance that they are the only two adult teams on that battlegroup without a bedtime - in which case - I guess it could be possible.

[GameyHarp]

I did exagurate a little with the 100% I guess, but they can do it to the point where the rare times they do get matched up with another team, its negligible.

[rgirty]

Go to google guys. This is rampant, and it isn't hard... blues have even posted on the topic.

IMO it isn't cheating, it really is no different than people just getting their "10 games in" by going in and autolosing.

[Aerath]

Go to google guys. This is rampant, and it isn't hard... blues have even posted on the topic.

IMO it isn't cheating, it really is no different than people just getting their "10 games in" by going in and autolosing.

The difference being that low rating mean slow point accumulation and, more importantly, not being eligible for shoulder/weapon due to too low personal rating.

It's the personal rating artificially getting boosted here, which is the key point and does make it cheating imo.

[rgirty]

If you get a run through of a lowbie instance and get your gear "artificially boosted" isn't that the same thing?

Basically players are just organizing run throughs (of each other's teams) via vent etc..

Whats the diff?

[Amiral]

The difference is that the Arena system is dynamic, and the higher rating you get, the lower someone elses get (in comparison to yours).
So you can get stuff they more rightfully deserve than you do: You have won fake games, they have competed for their wins.

(*dont mean you in person rgirty, just a general you.)

[rgirty]

The difference is that the Arena system is dynamic, and the higher rating you get, the lower someone elses get (in comparison to yours).
So you can get stuff they more rightfully deserve than you do: You have won fake games, they have competed for their wins.

(*dont mean you in person rgirty, just a general you.)

How is that different than a person who spends hours in a pug to run sm, vs someone who spends 10 minutes and gets a run through?

Both people get loot they don't deserve, one method is considered universally accepted while win trading is not?

[Azori]

If you are on my server and que for an arena you can get any random team from any of these servers below that are within your point value. You cannot que for a specific arena.

Stormstrike Battlgroup:

Black Dragonflight PvP
Anetheron PvP
Archimonde PvP
Zuluhed PvP
Dalvengyr PvP
Ysera Normal
Haomarush PvP
Norgannon Normal
Duskwood Normal
Steamwheedle Cartel RP
Ysondre PvP
Khadgar Normal
Thrall Normal
Dalaran Normal
Dentarg PvP
Scilla PvP
Mal'Ganis PvP
Executus PvP
Turalyon Normal
Andorhal PvP


On our battlegroup there are only 4 servers, so I would imagine that through co-ordination it would be pretty easy to fix who you were playing against.

[xDarkDrifterx]

It's the personal rating artificially getting boosted here, which is the key point and does make it cheating imo.

The difference is that the Arena system is dynamic, and the higher rating you get, the lower someone elses get (in comparison to yours).
So you can get stuff they more rightfully deserve than you do: You have won fake games, they have competed for their wins.)

/agreed

How is that different than a person who spends hours in a pug to run sm, vs someone who spends 10 minutes and gets a run through?

Because other people don't get effected from you running through SM. There is a negative trickle down effect to this arena cheating.

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I just saw this thread on the official forum too (http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html;jsessionid=0051A1719816AECC362916AFE3083C02?topicId=3159756204&postId=31593518878&sid=1)


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[rgirty]

Because other people don't suffer from you running through SM. There is a negative trickle down effect to this arena cheating.

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I just saw this thread too (http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html;jsessionid=0051A1719816AECC362916AFE3083C02?topicId=3159756204&postId=31593518878&sid=1)

AH i didn't know that.

how so?

[xDarkDrifterx]

AH i didn't know that.

how so?

I removed the word suffer actually - and replaced it with "effected" which I think is more on point.

Teams cheating and artificially boosting themselves means that the other teams (that are right on that cusp) will not have a chance in hell of getting one of the top titles , winning a seasonal mount, etc. Anyone can boost through SM and no one else is effected, but only a few can have a title, a mount, etc.