A Healer Clicking?

[alliancefever]

ok i know its stupid but IS THIS EVEN POSSIBLE! I mean it takes a lot of concentration and to heal in raids this applies to any healer i was wondering is this even possible iam trying to help out my friend whos a dwarf priest is there anyway to get him to stop clicking and he just cant help it if anyone has advice help me please its for a friend in need :cry:

[Kodonn]

ok i know its stupid but IS THIS EVEN POSSIBLE i mean it takes a lot of concentration and to heal in raids this applies to any healer i was wondering is this even possible iam trying to help out my friend whos a dwarf priest and he just cant help it if anyone has advice help me please its for a friend in need :cry:

:ponder: Slow down, take a deep breath, go back and put some punctuation in your post and then try to explain...What exactly is your question ?

[Exocet]

I click in raids, I know it's not particularly efficient, but as i have grid (raid frames add-on) just above my cast bars i don't feel like i lose that much time.

[Eratia]

Change his action bar so all his buttons have the mouseover macro. Then he can't click. Pretty cruel, though :D

[Cattleya]

Set him up with Grid and Clique. Then he gets to click and be fast. :grin:

[Lothaer]

wats wrong with clicking on a raid frame and pressing 2 thats what i do, target some1 from X-Perl Raid Frames then press 2 (for flash heal) or 4 (for CoH) couldn't be easier,

[rottentomato]

tehere is a prienst add one which doesss this for you aucutomatially

[Felix Niebuhr]

Yeah lothaer but if he has to click the person and then click the spell... You`re only a semi clicker. And most I think click char with grid in raids, then the healing hotkey.

[Naolin]

on my healer I click all the time, Grid and Clique combo is faster then playing with hotkeys tbh :p

[Morollan]

Erm...I'm no healer so would someone mind telling me what the alternative to clicking is? In a 5-man I can use F1-F5 keys to target a player and a hotkey to cast the spell (which is what I do on the rare occasions I'm called on to heal) but surely this doesn't work in 10 or 25 man raids. I would expect to click on the raid frame and use a hotkey again. What else can you do?

[det]

In 25 mans you have 6-8 healers, assigned to special people. In some fights 2 healers are just on the MT, others will be on selected key persons and dps might get a heal when nobody more important gets healed. I pretty much need no heals on most mobs of SSC other than LV or Morrogrim if I am the LT aggro warlock. And then I only get heals so the paladin pulls aggro.

"Resurrecting rogues is more mana efficient than healing them" as our raidcredo goes.

From the UI's that I have seen our healers use it is a grid of 8 x 3 or such with all raid players and the healer selects the player that needs healing (mouseover or click) and presses a key for his heal....which might just be 3 or 4 different ones.

[Naolin]

"Resurrecting rogues is more mana efficient than healing them" as our raidcredo goes.



I actually get heals on my rogue.. sometimes, then again I don't really need em, expecting no heals is way smarter then thinking the healers will bother with your sorry ass.
after the bosses its usually:
"Why are the rogues still alive? damn they are slacking again!"
as for selecting raid members I would have no idea how to do it without clicking tbh :p

[Kugan]

Erm...I'm no healer so would someone mind telling me what the alternative to clicking is? In a 5-man I can use F1-F5 keys to target a player and a hotkey to cast the spell (which is what I do on the rare occasions I'm called on to heal) but surely this doesn't work in 10 or 25 man raids. I would expect to click on the raid frame and use a hotkey again. What else can you do?

I have a mouseover macro for each spell/ability that I can use on another player. I prefer that to clicking (mouseover the target, press the button).

[Naolin]

I have a mouseover macro for each spell/ability that I can use on another player. I prefer that to clicking (mouseover the target, press the button).

does that work if you mouse over the unitframe or do you have to mouseover the character normally? the first I could understand the second seems akward for me in a lot of fights.

[Kugan]

does that work if you mouse over the unitframe or do you have to mouseover the character normally? the first I could understand the second seems akward for me in a lot of fights.

You mouseover the portrait of the player. The macros are usually in this format:

/cast [target=mouseover,exists,help] Holy Light; [help] Holy Light; [target=player] Holy Light

(which casts Holy Light on my mouseover target if I’m mouseover-ing someone's portrait, otherwise on my target (if it’s friendly), otherwise on me).

I prefer this because I mostly PvP, and I need to be able to throw a BoP, BoF, BoS, Cleanse, HL, FoL on different targets the moment my global cooldown allows me to. Click healing should be fine for raid healing.

[Twoflower]

"Resurrecting rogues is more mana efficient than healing them" as our raidcredo goes.



now that is just sad. everyone is important in a raid, so IMO you need to keep everyone alife.

Normaly, people who make it into our raid groups have passed some sort of selection, so we trust hat they know what they are doing. They dont pull agro out of fun and they dont run into AoE effects for fun. When they take damage it is pretty much unavoidable. So we heal them.

If they keep taking damage when they wouldnt have to, bye bye gkick. But as long as they are in the raid, we do our best to keep them alife.

[det]

Well, it is actually not that way as you might realize :)

Just a little friendly in-fighting, especially with the one rogue who has a deathwish.

[moopy]

Just a little friendly in-fighting, especially with the one rogue who has a deathwish.

Every raid has one :)

[cyradis2003]

Every raid has one :)

Ours wears plate ... dps warriors ... PFFT!


I am a raid healer and I use grid and hot keys. I have a healing action bar in addition to my solo-ing "OMG he hit me! Shields up! Smite smite smite" bar. I used to be a clicker and it took a little while to get used to grid so I used it in 10 mans first then in 25.

See if you can get him to try grid, my only complaint is that I can't arrange the classes and tanks the way I like them. I am usually OT healer but in trash fights and some bosses I do raid heals and it would be nice to be able to group the people individually based of squishiness.

PS - in our raids the rogues don't get regular heals, they will get a few HoT's, a flash or 2 if they are lucky and they are grouped with a feral druid so they get the heals when they crit. This keeps them alive between pots and bandaids but we are more concerned with the tanks, other healers and the clothies ... in that order.

[Naolin]

Ours wears plate ... dps warriors ... PFFT!

ours is the same dps warriors are worse then rogues ;P
as for healing needs with Judgement of Light up on most boss fights (we have a few pali's to spare one of which is a tank) melee is usually pretty okay.

[Baboon]

I'm a bit afraid of using Clique. I've always had important heals hotkeyed at easy buttons like G,V and 5. I think I could do with left click flash heal, right click greater heal and middle mouse dispel or something. But I'd still have renew on R (coincedence), and I couldn't use that in PvP I think, the advantage of hotkeys is that you can keep running around a lot.

I always picture those priests who react slow at Spout from Lurker pressing control-shift-right mouse and needing time to find their move keys. Any tips for this?

edit: Hmm I think I'll go for Kugan's suggestion. I think that will be fine with Grid without using Clique.

[moopy]

To an extent, you have to click in a busy fight- be it mouseover and hotkey, or using various mouse combos themselves on a frame. The time-consuming bit can be target selection, and that's quickest done with a maus. If you're just tank healing, of course it's easy to leave them targetted and hit the hotkeys. However, in a massive battle, when potentially any of the 25 people can need healing, mouse is A good Thing.

Whatever you do, make sure your frames have a range checker- that's the biggest single timesaver ever.

[rgirty]

clique+grid was the ultimate way to heal for me.

it is faster than using hotkeys for me

I type 120+wpm.

[DrOsmius]

Clique + clicking on the raid frame (xperl now). All the instant casts are simple clicks, like right button, center button, etc...others use shift or ctrl. And that is easy to do...use the keys to run while clicking on a raid frame is rather easy.

I don't have a single hotkey'ed heal, other than self-shield...all via clicking on the frames.

[rgirty]

I have PoH hotkeyed as you don't need a target, otherwise everything is driven by clique+grid but some like drO use pitbull/xperl which will do the same thing if you dont like the awesomeness of grid.

[alliancefever]

THANKS FOR ALL THE HELP! i didnt expect 3 pages of advice.This blows me away i think my friend will have more than enough advice THANKS GUYS!!

[Justinledwards]

I use Grid, with out-of-range very clearly a grey-out. I also have incoming aggro highlighted on grid. I've set it to two text lines, first line is name 2nd is what is happening to them.

I use clique, disabled on everything but Grid.

left-click: healing wave
right-click: chain heal
thumb-button-1: lesser healing wave
thumb-button-2: cleanse poison, or whatever for that fight

All on a very tidy Grid. All of my healing is clicking - but i only need to move the mouse a couple of centimetres and click.

When I am healing, I also reposition grid so that it is just right of centre in my screen - right at maximum focus for my attention. I can still see everything else, but grid has my attention.

If I want to select someone, for example to refresh earth shield, I just shift-click their icon in Grid and they are selected as my target.

This is the most efficient way, I have found, and I have pushed this onto many, many other healers - none of whom have gone back once they made the effort to set it up.

[Eratia]

I use clique, disabled on everything but Grid.

left-click: healing wave
right-click: chain heal
thumb-button-1: lesser healing wave
thumb-button-2: cleanse poison, or whatever for that fight

All on a very tidy Grid. All of my healing is clicking - but i only need to move the mouse a couple of centimetres and click.


Out of curiosity, what do you do when you want to down-rank?

[moopy]

Out of curiosity, what do you do when you want to down-rank?

Personally, I qualify the clicks for top rank, and use mid-rank by default. My mouse has seven buttons. CTRL, ALT and shift are use useful qualifiers. For example, a left-click on a frame casts a rank 7 Healing Wave for me, and a shifted click drops a rank 12. It's best to arrange it so your most frequently used ranmks require less qualification.

Generally, you don't need too much granularity in ranking, just a "low/medium/high" sort of setup.

[CYanrogue]

In 25 mans you have 6-8 healers, assigned to special people. In some fights 2 healers are just on the MT, others will be on selected key persons and dps might get a heal when nobody more important gets healed. I pretty much need no heals on most mobs of SSC other than LV or Morrogrim if I am the LT aggro warlock. And then I only get heals so the paladin pulls aggro.

"Resurrecting rogues is more mana efficient than healing them" as our raidcredo goes.

From the UI's that I have seen our healers use it is a grid of 8 x 3 or such with all raid players and the healer selects the player that needs healing (mouseover or click) and presses a key for his heal....which might just be 3 or 4 different ones.

Actually it is a grid pattern, and when you mouse over it you can then use another program called Clique which allow you to use like Shift+Left click will be greater heal, Shift+Right Clicks is Flash Heal etc....

I don't know how healers do it with anything but those 2 programs.

Thanks
Laterz

[madman68]

I've been happy with healbot. It displays the party and you use macro's on the mouse buttons.

I will say healing in AV can be a bit of a bear though.

[SwervinCL]

No one uses Healbot? Its an awesome little healing mod!!!

[Beruen]

I tried Healbot, but I like click2cast and decent unit frames better. Then again, I've got toons of almost any class, so I tend to prefer general solutions over class or role specific ones. I use the same mechanic to cast missdirect on party members as I do to heal party members. Other than that, the only two reasons that I didn't like Healbot was the screen space it took up and the fact that it had different defaults for in combat and out of combat (at least the version I tried did). I say this not to say why it's bad, but only because these reasons may not apply to you.

[moopy]

Other than that, the only two reasons that I didn't like Healbot was the screen space it took up

Configurable!

http://img156.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wowscrnshot010908215811ua1.jpg

(Didn't embed because it's pretty big..)

Yeah, ok, so it's not the most pretty setup in the world, but I prefer functional, and can't be bothered to faff, but HB is quite compact, and could be made much smaller, if needed.



and the fact that it had different defaults for in combat and out of combat (at least the version I tried did). I say this not to say why it's bad, but only because these reasons may not apply to you.

"Smartcast", a single tickbox disables that- should have read the FAQ :)