Twinks are usually horrible players

[Alucius]

I was getting bored with my 70 alliance priest/war/dru pvp so I decided to roll an orc hunter.

At level 22 I decided to try some wsg (mainly to get a daily done). I figured I'd be absolutely demolished by everyones, esp with all the twinks out there. Boy was I wrong. I topped damage done regularly, would be the person stopping flag carriers and bringing our flag up the field. This in the midst of all kinds of crazy twinked out 29's. Heck even a non-twinked 29 should put a 22 to shame!

After a few matches I realized the reason these people twink these chars. If they had to play at level 70 where there aws no way to get a level or gear advantage over other players, they would be constantly obliterated without ever casting a single spell.

By playing a 29 twink, they have the hope to beat up non-twinks and non-29's despite their absolute lack of skill. While it was frustrating to get 2-shotted by twinks, if I could keep them at range I could solo many of them down (although w their armor/hp it would take all my mana at times). Pretty funny to see a twink just running after you like an idiot while your pet chews him up (note: he could kill the pet in 2 hits too).

The other annoying thing about twinks is that they usually don't care about winning the bg and pay no attention to flags. They just go in the middle and try to kill whoever they see.

But yeah, hunter was a good choice for a non-twink, you can avoid getting close to those huge dmg dealers, and kite with aspect of the cheetah, plus let your pet do most of your dirty work :)

Anyone else notice that most twinks are really bad at WoW?

[PlayThemAll]

Its been covered many many times and is a touchy subject.

Making a broad generalization based on your individual BG experience is not a reflection of the twink community as a whole.

I'd say you were lucky, at L22 even non-twinks should have had their way with you.

[Alucius]

At level 22 I was top or top 2 in damage done in every single battleground I played (I did enough for 30 wsg marks, not all wins either so something like 15 or so matches). Granted its not like all 18 other players were twinks, but there were always at least 4 or 5, and sometimes nearly half the players out there had fiery/crusader etc.

And I know dmg done isn't the whole story, but that's all twinks are there to do. I rarely saw them pay any attention to flags (on either team).

Not really commenting on whether twinking is good/bad or should be allowed bla bla bla. Just an observation that these players invest time/$ into their alts to make them able to kill undergeared players, but you can't buy skill and it really shows!

[Aerath]

I find that Trolls* usually are horrible players.

[PlayThemAll]

Not really commenting on whether twinking is good/bad or should be allowed bla bla bla. Just an observation that these players invest time/$ into their alts to make them able to kill undergeared players, but you can't buy skill and it really shows!

I agree that you can't buy skill.

I just disagree with your comment that most twinks are usually horrible players.

I was anti-twink for a long time, until I finally broke down and made one just to see what it's like. There is no fun or skill involed with killing other non-twinks in a BG, most of them are simply annoyances. The real fun comes from taking on other players with comparable gear and skill.

The exception would probably be hunters. A "good" hunter, even an un-twinked one, can be a real pain in the keister. Based on your descriptions, you seem to fall into this catagory.

/lets thread die like all other twink threads

[xDarkDrifterx]

1) IMO that's not true - some twinks suck and twink b/c they can't play - some people just can't pvp but could pve all day - but a few bad players does not account for the masses of people who can.

2) Hunters rock the 29 bracket (and most brackets depending on BG) even if they're not in the top end - with just a bit of stam and proper use of kiting you can own twinks (like my rogue if my CD's are up) if you're level 22. Killed two 29 twinks last night on my rogue (hadn't played him in forever) only to turn around and get kited by the level 22 hunter because all my CDs were blown - and against hunters, rogues have issues without a trinket and vanish. It's just the class that you're playing and the abilities it has at that level versus other classes at that level. That same BG - I should post a pick - was crazy - everyone but like 4 people in the whole 29 Bracket BG (on both sides) were hunters . . .

3) yes, it's unfortunate that many twinks are just epeening and want to kill kill kill and not actually try to help the objective. But one thing to point out is that with a few people farming middle successfully (you control mid) and that - is a major way to win. you need a few people farming in the middle or under their GY. Look up any WSG guide and it will tell you this. I on the other hand seem to be one of the few interested in winning and raising moral. And yes I go for the objective even though my marks are full and I'm doing nothing but saving honor for an Alliance Battle Standard.

4) The best part of twinking IMO is killing the other sides twinks - it makes me happy because I get to test my skill - and I'd rather go up against that other great rogue who's been side by side with me in kills etc then the level 24 non twink newbie mage.
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Speaking of twinks - try a lock or a shammy in the 49 bracket - total pwnage.

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I find that Trolls* usually are horrible players.

ROFL! :laugh:

[Uther Antioch]

I'd say the only way you can overcome significant level disparities is by fighting someone who really sucks. An above average skilled player would not fare as well against an average skilled player as would an average skilled player versus a below average player. If you can follow that sentence.

[caldepen]

At level 22 I decided to try some wsg (mainly to get a daily done). I figured I'd be absolutely demolished by everyones, esp with all the twinks out there. Boy was I wrong. I topped damage done regularly

I gotta call BS. Topped damage charts with an untwinked level 22? You either picked the absolute biggest groups of losers ever or you are making it up. Sorry mate. And to say all twinks are bad players is like saying all Canadians are short.

[moopy]

This whole argument reminds me of Karl Popper's example regarding swans. You can't prove all swans are white, just because all the swans you've seen are white- for all you know, some may be green. Just because all the twinks I've come across have been screamy, attention-seeking skillless simps doesn't necessarily mean they all are- obviously. Maybe there are a few out there who aren't, it's possible. It's a self-selecting cohort, though, and will tend to attract these sorts of people.

[Alucius]

This whole argument reminds me of Karl Popper's example regarding swans. You can't prove all swans are white, just because all the swans you've seen are white- for all you know, some may be green. Just because all the twinks I've come across have been screamy, attention-seeking skillless simps doesn't necessarily mean they all are- obviously. Maybe there are a few out there who aren't, it's possible. It's a self-selecting cohort, though, and will tend to attract these sorts of people.

A generalization is not a syllogism, it leaves room for exceptions. The fact that a few good players are twinks does not disprove that MOST or MANY twinks are terrible. Read the title "usually" makes room for exceptions, it doesnt say "always".

If the twink rogue had a brain he'd turn around and kill my pet in 3 hits, then use his thrown weapon to daze me for 4-5 seconds (its a long daze, forget the exact duration) and easily catch up. The fact they just follow me around like retards while my pet slowly chomps them up is what demonstrates they are not good. They probably dont even know what AOTC does.

Unfortunately my guy is up to 26 now so I can't go back in as 22 and take SS of the boards, but believe me in 3 straight bgs someone commented that I should afk out because of my level, and I replied saying "okay buds, watch dmg done" and proceeded to be the top or very near to it (a reasonably played 29 warlock is tough to beat because his dots keep ticking even if he dies). The only class that routinely kicked my ass was 29 twinked enh shamans, because I couldn't escape frost shock. Vs a warrior there was a chance I'd get him clipped and then move out of range, running off as soon as ham/howl wore out. Not possible vs shaman due to ranged shock.

I guess I just found it sad that people who take every conceivable advantage to make their chars better than the rest in the bracket could still be out-dpsd by someone 7 levels below them.

[xDarkDrifterx]

If the twink rogue had a brain he'd turn around and kill my pet in 3 hits,
then use his thrown weapon to daze me for 4-5 seconds (its a long daze,
forget the exact duration) and easily catch up.

And due to the obvious change in animation and the short "windup" duration of using a thrown weapon - most hunters (if they have a brain) will pop AOTH or something else when they see that animation, I do on my hunter and rarely get snared by my own ability - which means you stay at range with them having no way to catch you. First everything is situational you should know this, is your conc shot and traps up? If so how is this rogue gonna reach you without a ranged snare? Drop a trap - conc shot - sting and kite even without a pet involved. You underestimate hunters abilities to stay at range IMO - rogues HATE me when I'm on my hunter as do alot of other classes.

The fact they just follow me around like retards while my pet slowly chomps them up is what demonstrates they are not good.

Yeah that will show that they

1) Have blown all their CD's
2) Haven't figured out how to deal with hunters
3) Really are retards and not good - but we've all gotten kited before
5) Are rogues - and are against a hunter . . . I rarely loose to a rogue even when they get the jump.

When on my rogue and having no Cd's or Vanish I tend to stun the pet and run out of range (opposite direction) as not to get kited until my stealth repops, because as I said before, even a lowbie hunter can kite higher levels to death if that higher level keeps on coming and has no CDs.

Look online at any of the various "so and so kites XYZ" or "so and so solos XYZ" - it's 99% of the time gonna be a hunter or a lock. It's awesome that you're playing the hunter correctly and are kiting etc properly but that doesn't make other people suck - look at all the hunter rerolls for PVP - there's a reason for it.

[moopy]

A generalization is not a syllogism, it leaves room for exceptions. The fact that a few good players are twinks does not disprove that MOST or MANY twinks are terrible. Read the title "usually" makes room for exceptions, it doesnt say "always".

You failed your reading comprehension roll, sorry.

[caldepen]

Why don't you post a screen shot of your character with his stats up?

http://wow.incgamers.com/gallery/data/500/Smoothop4.JPG

There is also an interesting theory that points out that since WoW is a game that rewards time spent (on characters), a person who has a twink is inherently a good player because he is playing it right (lots) regardless of mad skillzzzz. I took the time to make a reasonable twink (I have seen much better geared twinks) and I daresay Smoothop would wipe the floor with your level 22 or 26 untwinked hunter. If a player does two or three things right a character 7 levels below him (as you were when you were 22) and untwinked has virtually no chance at beating him (unless I am taking a crap in the real world).

[thedirty]

A generalization is not a syllogism, it leaves room for exceptions. The fact that a few good players are twinks does not disprove that MOST or MANY twinks are terrible. Read the title "usually" makes room for exceptions, it doesnt say "always".

If the twink rogue had a brain he'd turn around and kill my pet in 3 hits, then use his thrown weapon to daze me for 4-5 seconds (its a long daze, forget the exact duration) and easily catch up. The fact they just follow me around like retards while my pet slowly chomps them up is what demonstrates they are not good. They probably dont even know what AOTC does.

Unfortunately my guy is up to 26 now so I can't go back in as 22 and take SS of the boards, but believe me in 3 straight bgs someone commented that I should afk out because of my level, and I replied saying "okay buds, watch dmg done" and proceeded to be the top or very near to it (a reasonably played 29 warlock is tough to beat because his dots keep ticking even if he dies). The only class that routinely kicked my ass was 29 twinked enh shamans, because I couldn't escape frost shock. Vs a warrior there was a chance I'd get him clipped and then move out of range, running off as soon as ham/howl wore out. Not possible vs shaman due to ranged shock.

I guess I just found it sad that people who take every conceivable advantage to make their chars better than the rest in the bracket could still be out-dpsd by someone 7 levels below them.

I have seen a 29 twink hunter kite around a 60 rogue til he was dead, this was pre expansion. Your class is overpowered 1v1 against most classes, and can take out people many levels higher than them if you know what you are doing.

In your example with the rogue, if he turned around and killed your pet in 2-3 hits, you would be moving away toward max range if you are smart, so he kills the pet with you at max range, throws a weapon at you dazing you for 4 seconds, you move away, slowly but still moving while still keeping a huge gap between yall, and then the daze wears off way before he gets to you. If he stops at this point and throws another weapon at you, he will waste at least 2 seconds to throw the weapon, giving you 2 seconds of distance, and even if he could close in on you this time, you can always concussive shot him making him move the same speed.

Then, even if he gets close, you just wingclip and run off, but even with 2k life, a non twinked hunter should be able to kill the rogue in this time easily, because he has the tools to do it with. If a rogue gets the jump and has his cooldowns ready, he should be able to kill the hunter, but it really takes using a bunch of cooldowns to take out even non twinked hunters as a rogue at that level (and for a while after that, until at least the 60s where rogues gain tools that help against hunters).

Get used to it, that's the life of a hunter. If you want to feel challenged, roll a mage.

[Alucius]

TBH the more I've read the more its as much hunters are stupidly OP in 2x than it is that all twinks are terrible.

There are still smarter things they could do vs a lowbie hunter, but its unlikely a lvl 22 other than hunter would even be capable of pulling off the **** i was doing at that lvl.

My huntard is now 27, but you can see his profile/gear:

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Uldaman&n=Chovak

A lot of the gear is the same. Major changes include helm, pants, and boots. The rest is pretty much what I was using at 22. Spec is the same ofc with fewer talent points available.

[caldepen]

Its interesting to compare them side by side... I have never looked at it like that. You can see the affects of twinking. Are you leveling him or sticking at 29? The reason I ask is that when I am leveling a toon I usually don't have that many blues because I don't spend even one copper on stuff I will outgrow in 20 minutes (especially nowadays when you shoot a squirrel and gain a level).

[Aerath]

Just a bunch of easy to get instance drops and quest rewards. Nothing too fancy.

[Twoflower]

I have seen a 29 twink hunter kite around a 60 rogue til he was dead, this was pre expansion. Your class is overpowered 1v1 against most classes, and can take out people many levels higher than them if you know what you are doing.

In your example with the rogue, if he turned around and killed your pet in 2-3 hits, you would be moving away toward max range if you are smart, so he kills the pet with you at max range, throws a weapon at you dazing you for 4 seconds, you move away, slowly but still moving while still keeping a huge gap between yall, and then the daze wears off way before he gets to you. If he stops at this point and throws another weapon at you, he will waste at least 2 seconds to throw the weapon, giving you 2 seconds of distance, and even if he could close in on you this time, you can always concussive shot him making him move the same speed.

Then, even if he gets close, you just wingclip and run off, but even with 2k life, a non twinked hunter should be able to kill the rogue in this time easily, because he has the tools to do it with. If a rogue gets the jump and has his cooldowns ready, he should be able to kill the hunter, but it really takes using a bunch of cooldowns to take out even non twinked hunters as a rogue at that level (and for a while after that, until at least the 60s where rogues gain tools that help against hunters).

turn around, 2hit pet. vanish. get behind the hunter, 2k backstab, done. a lvl 60 rogue who gets beaten by a lvl 29 hunter must be a real realy realy bad player. burning cooldowns to beat someone 31 levels lower ? roflcopter.

[Alucius]

Its interesting to compare them side by side... I have never looked at it like that. You can see the affects of twinking. Are you leveling him or sticking at 29? The reason I ask is that when I am leveling a toon I usually don't have that many blues because I don't spend even one copper on stuff I will outgrow in 20 minutes (especially nowadays when you shoot a squirrel and gain a level).

As Aerath said, all my gear is instance drop (I run the instances to get quests done for xp) or quest rewards. I plunked down 7g bid on tough leather gloves the other day but usually I wouldnt spend $ on gear for the reason you mentioned. In this particular case my gloves are terrible and there's not much else available (i did recently find a green quest reward at lvl 29 tho, but I start pvping at 28 usually).

My char is not setup to be a 29 twink,but I know I'll be pvping at the end of each bracket so I look some stuff up ahead of time so I know which quests/instances to hit while I'm leveling so I don't have horrid gear by the end of the bracket. Having decent gear also makes leveling quicker.

[thedirty]

turn around, 2hit pet. vanish. get behind the hunter, 2k backstab, done. a lvl 60 rogue who gets beaten by a lvl 29 hunter must be a real realy realy bad player. burning cooldowns to beat someone 31 levels lower ? roflcopter.

Nice of you to be an asshole about it, while at the same time, sucking at reading comprehension. You are a real jewel to the forums, let me tell you.

Obviously the rogue didn't have a vanish cooldown (and then you go onto say burning cooldowns to beat someone, WHILE in your example using a cooldown), and when I said "in your example with the rogue" I was obviously talking about his experience in the 29 bracket.

But really, why be such a dick about things? No offense to the mods that will surely frown upon my post for calling a spade a spade, but it's posters like this that make me avoid the official forums.

[Twoflower]

you dont get your point across better by calling me names. apart from trying to flame me, i dont see anything of relevance in your post.

i stand by it, the rogue can counter anythin the hunter has. wingclip with crippling poison, just to use another example.

on top of that, due to the 31 lvl difference, the hunter must miss around 90 % of his shots and atacks. I stay by what i said, the rogue must suck big time if he gets beaten by a hunter 31 levels lower. No, anyone who gets beaten by anyone 31 levels lower must suck.

[Alucius]

Overall his point is right though, if a 29 kills a 60 that's the 60 being an absolute tard who should probably delete his account. With that much level and gear gap the 60 could win using a ranged weapon, and the 29 would probably be oom long before the 60 was out of hps, ending the spin-shot nonsense.

As for perma-kiting, if the other player focuses on daze, take a few steps, daze, take a few steps walking in, all it takes is 1 tiny little mistake by the hunter and he'll be caught. Most hunters will panic too once dazed so probability of a mistake goes way up.

[moopy]

on top of that, due to the 31 lvl difference, the hunter must miss around 90 % of his shots and atacks. I stay by what i said, the rogue must suck big time if he gets beaten by a hunter 31 levels lower. No, anyone who gets beaten by anyone 31 levels lower must suck.

Flowers,

You're making the mistake of applying logic and knowledge of the game to an argument with a twink, you should know by now that it's generally an exercise in vacuous willy-waving by someone who feels they have something to prove, but generally can't do so.

[Shellar]

Screenshots or it didn't happen.

[caldepen]

You're making the mistake of applying logic and knowledge of the game to an argument with a twink, you should know by now that it's generally an exercise in vacuous willy-waving by someone who feels they have something to prove, but generally can't do so.
Wow... vacuous willy-waving... if you would have said wacuous than you would have had a nice alliteration going there. But then again it wouldn't have have come off as smug and superior as it did, so good choice.

[DrScience]

And to say all twinks are bad players is like saying all Canadians are short.


All Canadians are short! :laugh:

[thorleader]

Screenshots or it didn't happen.

or just do it again an ss it twice.
just in case

[moopy]

Wow... vacuous willy-waving... if you would have said wacuous than you would have had a nice alliteration going there. But then again it wouldn't have have come off as smug and superior as it did, so good choice.

Confirming all the prejudices, keep digging :)

[Pongle]

I've never met a twink who was good at pvp on their main.

[caldepen]

I've never met a twink who was good at pvp on their main.
Thats the most ridiculous thing I have heard in quite a while. I run a twink and love PvP with either my twink or my main or as it happens I switched to a different server and am leveling up another toon and happen to be playing a little BG on the way up. His gear sucks (level 20 chest, and level 22 staff), with no blue and I hold my own. This is an example of a regular result, not always finishing at the top but close. With twinks involved as well. I appreciate having a good twink but can still enjoy it without great gear.
http://wow.incgamers.com/gallery/data/500/wsg.JPG

[Alucius]

SO basically your picture confirms that twinks are usually horrible players.

thanks.

[odinsnephew]

No. Players can be bad players ;)

[caldepen]

No, obviously you never golf...

My picture says no such thing! I am saying that you can twink or not twink and still have a good time or be terrible at what you do or be really good at what you do. You have drawn a ridiculous conclusion from bad evidence.

[Jekk]

I read in my guide book that a "twink" is a low level person with really good armor (I could be wrong). If it is true, it could just be someone new to the game who got a friend to give them nice stuff, meaning they'd have less skill than someone who has played longer. Right?

[caldepen]

meaning they'd have less skill than someone who has played longer. Right?
It could be that... it could be Colin Powell, who knows? I took a long time figuring out what equipment I wanted for my twink and so by that logic the average twink has been playing longer than someone else so maybe he's better! It is silly to make assumptions about a type of player. Sounds like sour grapes more than anything else

[Gavriel]

Anyone else notice that most twinks are really bad at WoW?

No. In my experience it takes a fair amount of knowledge and understanding. Quite often you will find that players who choose to twink a character do so to create the epitome of their character at that level. It is a challenge they take upon themselves to eke out the very last drop of Dodge or whatever form of twink they create. I applaud them for their dedication to their craft.

The few twinks I have spoken to prefer battles with other twinks as that gives them the opportunity to test their skills when they are working within the limited equipment, enchantment and ability ranges of a twink.

It truely is an art.

And this is not even considering what they do outside of Battlegrounds. Have you seen a twinked rogue taking on a character 10+ levels above them and win? Easily? There is satisfaction in that for the player and who are we to judge them for enjoying their game and for playing it well?

And I know dmg done isn't the whole story, but that's all twinks are there to do. I rarely saw them pay any attention to flags (on either team).

Peculiar. In the Emberstorm battlegroup the twinks are typically flag runners. Their health makes it nigh on impossible to take them down and the fastest I've seen one capture the flag was 71 seconds from spawn to the first capture.

I find though that your post is full of generalizations in an often rehashed topic. My advice would be to actually try the art of twinking before applying such gross generalizations to what is in effect a very interesting aspect of the game that requires a fair amount of dedication.