People who don't like twinks are usually horrible players

[caldepen]

Since this whole game is designed around using the best possible gear for the given situation, if you play the BG's regularly and don't twink you must not be a good player.

[PlayThemAll]

I've had a mix of both twinks and non-twinks so I guess I average out to mediocre. :undecided:

[Twoflower]

haha this had to come after the other thread :D

to be honest, i am rather on your side of the fence. but i guess it is a matter of taste.

[caldepen]

Yeah, I'm just playing devil's advocate. For what its worth I am levelling up a new alliance hunter and playing the odd WSG as I go and I don't find the twinks as oppressive as before... I held my own. But if I was planning on staying at 29 I would definitely work towards twinking him out a bit (I don't see any difference between a twink and a level 70 toon with the best possible gear for the amount played).

[Beruen]

I'm sure that if you're actually good at PvP, anyone that isn't good will seem quite bad, regardless of who's a twink and who isn't. I'm firmly in the latter category, regardless of how well geared I am.

[Alucius]

I'm not sure how it could make you a horrible player by getting 1-shotted or 2-shotted by someone who spent days of /played and a couple hundred gold on their char.

However it is very clear how pathetic a player it makes you if in spite of said time/gold spent into your char you still get kited and owned by someone 7 levels lower than you wearing lvl 15-19 blues.

Just throwin that out there.

[Richakin]

i had a 19 mage, a mere 800hp and +70 fire dmg, and had fun kiting all the rogues and warriors. My favorite thing to do was carry the flag though instead of 50min HK fests...those get lame after a day or so.

I got sick of the "twinks ruin BGs" debates...only to see them in the 19 bracket...backstepping as a hunter, GG

[xDarkDrifterx]

jabbing it in and twisting ftw - rofl @ this thread Caldapen!

:wink:

[caldepen]

I'm not sure how it could make you a horrible player by getting 1-shotted or 2-shotted by someone who spent days of /played and a couple hundred gold on their char.

You are missing my point. It is recognized that WoW is a very good game that rewards players who play a lot and thus get the best possible gear for their toon for whatever task you set for it. If you go arenas you get pvp gear and if you raid then you get the best possible raiding gear. It then follows that if you BG then you should get the best possible BG gear which is (...wait for it...) twinking your toon for whichever bracket you play in. If you are so lazy that you give your toon crappy gear that allows you to be one-shotted than you must be, by WoW standards, a horrible player. Follow?

However it is very clear how pathetic a player it makes you if in spite of said time/gold spent into your char you still get kited and owned by someone 7 levels lower than you wearing lvl 15-19 blues.

Where'd that come from? I don't get kited, I'm a hunter, I'm the guy holding the kite...

[snowieken]

This post worries me a little. Playing devil's advocate is one thing, trolling is another. Watch out what you are saying here, guys, and if you want to discuss twinks, there's already another thread for that.

[caldepen]

Wait a second. How come it is ok to call twinks horrible players (usually) in the previous thread, but not the other way around? That does not seem fair and if one is trolling certainly so is the other.

[snowieken]

Where did I say that calling twinks horrible players is okay?

Anyway, the fact that this is a clear jab to that thread, is actually what makes it more trolling than anything else.

As Alucius already has proven by being baited, this is just bringing the "fight" over to another thread, and I just don't see a good reason for it.

[nosoup4crr]

I'm not sure how it could make you a horrible player by getting 1-shotted or 2-shotted by someone who spent days of /played and a couple hundred gold on their char.

However it is very clear how pathetic a player it makes you if in spite of said time/gold spent into your char you still get kited and owned by someone 7 levels lower than you wearing lvl 15-19 blues.

Just throwin that out there.

If you're consistently getting one or 2 shotted, your itemization is lacking. You don't have to twink to go into a battleground prepared. For a clothie, good benchmarks are 700-800 life at 10-19, 1100 life at 20-29, and 1500 life at 30-39. This is easily accomplished by instance blues and WSG/AB rewards. I was in a 50-59 bracket game today...and a level 52 mage kept complaining about the twink rogue on the other team. I told her that he's not a twink, and she responded with "he one-shots me every time." She had 1400 life. I mean seriously...you gear up for the job you're doing. Do you have to twink? no. But dont' be silly.

Furthermore, twinking is a gold expenditure, not a time expenditure. The most time I've ever spent twinking a toon (by running quests and instances) is maybe 5 hours--and I think that's on par for most twinks. If anything, it's the anti-timesink. Most people twink because they don't like the grind at level 70.

Lastly, there's very little some classes can do against another class...even when twinked. At level 19, if an untwinked hunter survives the first 5 seconds of an attack by a twink rogue (long enough to get off a wing clip and get out of range), then that rogue will die unless the hunter sucks, the rogue sprints, or the rogue runs back to friends. My untwinked level 29 mage consistently killed twink warriors/paladins/rogues. And it wasn't that they sucked...it's a counter class. You can't do anything about it--particularly in low-level brackets, where characters have fewer tools to work with (blind, preparation, scatter shot, intercept, etc.).

Will twinks be more effective than non-twinks? likely, yes. But non-twinks should still be productive. If they aren't, it's the non-twink's fault. Not the twink's.

[caldepen]

Where did I say that calling twinks horrible players is okay?

Anyway, the fact that this is a clear jab to that thread, is actually what makes it more trolling than anything else.

Aww, fair enough. I just like this discussion. I wasn't saying you said it was Ok. I do, however, think that by saying that I was trolling and the other guy who started the other thread was not trolling is condoning his point of view. He seemed to be baiting twinks as much as I am baiting those who are offended by them.

[PlayThemAll]

The twink debate will never end. I've been on both sides of the fence. It wasn't until I twinked a toon myself that I began to appreciate it. IMHO even if the equipment issue was eliminated (i.e no enchants or armor kits) a skilled, hardcore PvP'r will still beat a casual player a majority of the time. An unskilled twink can be beaten much of the time by a skilled non-twink. But then again, there are also exceptions to everything.

To all those that hate twinks, wait until you hit the L70 BG's. Having just hit 70 a few weeks ago with my first character, the gear disparity between a new L70 in greens/blues and a full S3 equipped L70 is huge, and this difference cannot be overcome by just dumping a large amount of gold on your toon. Accumulating Honor, BG tokens and Arena Points, while still trying to run daily's and finish quest lines is not easy, esp. with a limited play schedule. Buy hey, thats what keeps the game interresting to me.

[mesonm]

I have a level 70 twink.

[caldepen]

A good argument against myself is that you don't really need to twink to be successful. The dwarf I have been leveling is at 29 with no twink gear whatsoever, in fact mostly crap greens from the low 20's and a bow! I have been getting honor in order to buy a cat when I reach 40 so I have been leveling in Ashenvale so a bow is more practical due to the fact that you can't find bullets anywhere! I have been going to WSG a fair bit for the last few levels and I am doing fine without good gear. Sure every once and a while I get zapped by a twinky but definitely holding my own.

http://wow.incgamers.com/gallery/data/500/wsg.JPG

The reason I like my twink 19 is that it was a challenge to build him and I enjoyed climbing that mountain. It is obviously endorsed by Blizzard so why not?

[xDarkDrifterx]

I have a level 70 twink.

Not this again!!!!!!!!!!

Level 70 - with full epics and enchants DOES NOT make you a twink even if you get them the minute you level!!!!!

Enter moopy and twoflower (iirc from that old thread) and that one ended with agreeing to disagree.

**ducks**

:wink: :grin:

[caldepen]

I thought he was joking about a level 70 twink because they obviously do not exist...

[Alucius]

The fact the OP thinks that skill = gear pretty much says it all. If you don't have the best gear/enchants then you're a bad player. Ignore all those twinks you laid waste to along the way, they don't count amirite?

WoW = skill + gear + class/spec

Twinks do everything they can to max out the gear category, so wasting them means they either have a bad class or bad skill. As I concluded in my other thread, a significant part of it is huntards being OP in 2x, but I maintain that the abject lack of skill of the avg wow player, and the inability of twinking to overcome this horrible lack of skill, is equally to blame.

[odinsnephew]

If you don't have the best gear/enchants then you're a bad player.

Eh? Call the nonsense police we have a live one ;)

[Tikki]

hahahah!!

Hey odin, do you hear that? I do. I think it's the hyperbole police, here to arrest someone for indecent exaggeration.

[caldepen]

There is no correlation between twinks and poor play. I would say there are just as many bad players that twink as do anything else. It is like saying people that have red hair are bad at math.

[Alucius]

I don't think you follow.

Most players are bad. If you do not agree with this I question your bg experience and/or pvp skill.

Unless there is some reason that the few good players would twink more frequently than the bad ones, the ratio of good to bad twinks would mirror good to bad players - i.e. most would still be bad.

However, I wager that there is actually a greater (significantly so) ratio of nub twinks to skilled twinks based on 2 factors:

1. A good player wouldn't even need to twink to dominate bgs. His incentive to max out the stats on his char is practically nil as it is strictly overkill (I haven't even bothered leveling to 28 yet because I already destroy everyone twinks included at 27 - I have lost my appetite to even bother leveling or improving this char as a result).

2. A good player will also have less incentive to twink as he can compete at l70, while bad players will find it much more challenging pvping at 70 with no way to gain a gear advantage over others (which they CAN however acheive by twinking).

[xDarkDrifterx]

1. A good player wouldn't even need to twink to dominate bgs. His incentive to max out the stats on his char is practically nil as it is strictly overkill

hahah! You're a funny guy. Apparently you have yet to go up against a shammy twink in the 49 bracket. You HAVE to be a twink - at least in terms of STAM to take on this toon when they are twinked. They one to two shot people ALWAYS, period. So unless you have the stam to take the hits, you're dead. Whether they are good or not is null and void - whether you are good or not is made null and void due to them - what does matter is that they're twinked and simply destroying you by simply hitting a number key twice - you can't discern what type of skill they have at this point, and no matter your skill level - you're gonna die.

[Twoflower]

1. A good player wouldn't even need to twink to dominate bgs. His incentive to max out the stats on his char is practically nil as it is strictly overkill (I haven't even bothered leveling to 28 yet because I already destroy everyone twinks included at 27 - I have lost my appetite to even bother leveling or improving this char as a result).

2. A good player will also have less incentive to twink as he can compete at l70, while bad players will find it much more challenging pvping at 70 with no way to gain a gear advantage over others (which they CAN however acheive by twinking).

you forget that the main reason to start a twink for good players is that they owned everything else, sit on way too much gold and are bored. so they want to build the uber - owner, so to speak.

mind you, i speak of good players who are twinking. bad players can do whatever they do for whatever their reason may be, i couldnt care less and they have no impact on my gaming experience except finanzing blizzard.

[Mallstrop]

you forget that the main reason to start a twink for good players is that they owned everything else, sit on way too much gold and are bored. so they want to build the uber - owner, so to speak.

Or that they're so bad at level 70 content that they feel they've got to go and beat on none twinks.

[caldepen]

I already destroy everyone twinks included at 27

Man you must be the greatest hero to ever step foot on Azeroth! I bow down to your might! Sheesh buddy, this isn't a forum for bragging about your l33t skillzz. It is about discussing things and putting forth logical statements which yours are not. Do I agree that most players are not that great? Yes, but that is the same for everything, most people are not that good at golf or pool either but what does that have to do with the price of tea?

[Shellar]

Level 70 - with full epics and enchants DOES NOT make you a twink even if you get them the minute you level!!!!!
"A twink is a player character that is disproportionately powerful for its level, possessing potent items and high-end enchants that are generally way beyond the means of other players at that level." - WoWWiki.

Sounds like a typical Vengeful Gladiator to me.

[Twoflower]

Or that they're so bad at level 70 content that they feel they've got to go and beat on none twinks.

as i wrote in my last pot, i speak of good players. This whole "he cannot do anything right at 70, so he has to gain a unfair advantage" thing is a prejudice. well, at least in some cases.

i know about my lvl 29 twink hunter, it was interesting creating and leveling him, collecting and enchanting all the items etc. once i had it all together, i lost the interest in him and deleted him again.

[caldepen]

once i had it all together, i lost the interest in him and deleted him again.

I know what you mean. I had more fun building him than playing with him. Ahhh, its all about the journey. Although I do play and have fun now and again.

[Alucius]

Man you must be the greatest hero to ever step foot on Azeroth! I bow down to your might! Sheesh buddy, this isn't a forum for bragging about your l33t skillzz. It is about discussing things and putting forth logical statements which yours are not. Do I agree that most players are not that great? Yes, but that is the same for everything, most people are not that good at golf or pool either but what does that have to do with the price of tea?

It's called evidence, or at worst an anecdote. I'm using my experience as a player to support my statements, not to brag. If I was bragging I would at least include screenshots.

And I believe I made a very logical case for why most twinks are bad players, based on the incentives for doing it in the first place, and on the outcome/effects of doing it in practice.

Saying something is not a logical statement doesn't disprove it, you didn't do anything to demonstrate where there was a fallacy in my argument (undoubtedly because there isn't one), you just said "forums are for logical arguments" (insinuating that mine does not fit this category).

As for mr. lvl 49. It's called 40+ yd range vs 20 yd range. l2kite.

[xDarkDrifterx]

As for mr. lvl 49. It's called 40+ yd range vs 20 yd range. l2kite.

Mmhmm and that's for every class right? Cause warriors, pallies, and rogues are kite masters . . .:rolleyes: lol

My main is a hunter - I have no issues - I was pointing out something that apparently you have yet to experience within a certain lower level BG bracket (specifically lvl 49).

You stated:


1. A good player wouldn't even need to twink to dominate bgs. His incentive to max out the stats on his char is practically nil as it is strictly overkill

I put forth my comment and situation after you made that statement. The situation is common IMO and shows that you MUST twink at times to deal with other twinks - and that being a good or bad player doesn't even come into the picture due to the damage output of these toons. And you respond with:

l2kite.

How about something more useful considering I was speaking about dealing with a twink that you MUST have a certain amount of stam to even survive two hits from. Put it in context of the conversation. So how would a non-twink MELEE class deal with the situation that I presented? They can't . . . unless they twink for stam - it's simple numbers.


Basically - ubber or not . . . how are you gonna deal with numbers like these (15 secs in) without twinking?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKyD-NCJZgw

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[caldepen]

It's called evidence, or at worst an anecdote. I'm using my experience as a player to support my statements, not to brag. If I was bragging I would at least include screenshots.

So your evidence is your own personal experience? What percentage of all the total BG's have you experienced? .0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001%? Maybe... And that is your evidence? Nice. Your honor I rest my case.

[Shellar]

How to twink at level 70:

1. Gear up your characters to the upper edge (by, say, doing 5v5 arenas and high-end raids).
2. Create a new 2v2 team.
3. Utterly devastate all 2v2 opponents within the 1500-1700 rating range.
4. Disband your 2v2 team.
5. Repeat steps 2-4 whenever you get bored.

Trust me, you haven't seen twinking until you've stepped into a 1500-rated arena match and got greeted by two rogues in full S3 and brandishing two pairs of Warglaives of Azzinoth.

[Aerath]

How to twink at level 70:

1. Gear up your characters to the upper edge (by, say, doing 5v5 arenas and high-end raids).
2. Create a new 2v2 team.
3. Utterly devastate all 2v2 opponents within the 1500-1700 rating range.
4. Disband your 2v2 team.
5. Repeat steps 2-4 whenever you get bored.

Trust me, you haven't seen twinking until you've stepped into a 1500-rated arena match and got greeted by two rogues in full S3 and brandishing two pairs of Warglaives of Azzinoth.

I even think it would be amusing.

For a *very* short time, but still amusing.

[nosoup4crr]

As for mr. lvl 49. It's called 40+ yd range vs 20 yd range. l2kite.

This is how I know your argument is full of wrong. In describing how a superior player wins versus a twink, you're assuming the twink is absolutely stupid. Shamans, at level 49, have mounts to get into range. They also have ghost wolf once dismounted. It's not hard for a shaman to get into range. Either you've never played in a bracket other than 10-19 or you're simply flailing to prove your point.

Tell me again about the part where non-twinks should still dominate the battleground against a group of twinks. It made me smile. When you're at a 15-50% gear disadvantage (depending on the bracket), you would have to play perfectly--and your opponenet would have to play like a complete dunce for you to even win a single encounter, let alone dominate a battleground. Non-twinks can contribute. But the closest any non-twink comes to dominating a battleground against a group of twinks is, maybe, in the area of flag running (if he's a druid, mage, etc.).

And as long as we're talking about unsupported statements, you've simply rehashed the age old argument--if they could PvP at 70, they would be doing that. Oh really? Why? Where's your support that anyone WANTS to PvP at level 70? Personally, I'd rather not deal with a new gear grind every 3 or 4 months.

Apparently you believe you've stepped into the general discussion forum, where you can make a half-baked claim, and get others to QQ with you. I'm sorry, but the posters here use more sense--and avoid the broad generalizations that have made your argument look more like a child throwing a tantrum than someone who knows what he's talking about. I know your arguments. I've seen them all too often in the WoW forums. They reek of bitterness. I'm sorry I killed your low level alt. Level him out of the bracket, and call it a day.

[Alucius]

you get an F in reading comprehension, sorry.

All of your IF statements involve people sucking. "if they sucked". Guess what, the vast majority of players in this game DO suck. And that includes twinks.

While joeschmoe up there will call this "bragging" I will give you an example from my level 70 play. On my priest or druid in arenas/bgs, I'm able to put warriors in combat before they can charge almost every single time (moonfire/swp). Yet on my warrior its once in a blue moon that I get hit before charging. Why? Most players are retards and don't know that if they mount and charge the opponent they have like a 95% chance to get their charge off than if they stand still or worse yet don't mount.

Most players are crap. Most twinks are crap. I would bet you the VAST majority of shaman twinks are too ****ing stupid to mount and chase you anyways, not to mention that if they have time to mount so don't you. And if you see them coming you should be standing on a trap anyways. But you could theorycraft all day long and at the end my point is simply that they are BAD players.

This was all based on my xp as a lvl 22 hunter in wsg being top damage dealer and returning flags left and right, all because most people are just horrible at this game even when they twink.

[xDarkDrifterx]

Guess what, the vast majority of players in this game DO suck. And that includes twinks.

Most players are crap. Most twinks are crap.


:laughing: Thanks, I needed a good laugh. Though, I thought most people like you stayed on the official forums.

You get an Incomplete . .you don't even get an F . . . for just being uninformed and basing an opinion on some measly short lived play time as a 22 hunter in WSG when speaking to seasoned players of many many years . . . you should stop talking now b/c you're making yourself sound ignorant . . . ignorant of the game . . . ignorant of the balances of power . . . ignorant of the numbers . . . ignorant of the classes . . . ignorant of gear balances . . . ignorant of play dynamics . . . just ignorant.

I would bet you the VAST majority of shaman twinks are too ****ing stupid to mount and chase you anyways, not to mention that if they have time to mount so don't you. And if you see them coming you should be standing on a trap anyways. But you could theorycraft all day long and at the end my point is simply that they are BAD players.
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* if you're so freaking awesome why are you mounting and running away from anyone? You're ubber. Haven't you L2Kite yet, as you've pointed out? B/c that will fix everything . . .

* also And if you see them coming you should be standing on a trap anyways. But you could theorycraft all day long and at the end my point is simply that they are BAD players.
. wtf is a trap gonna do but delay the inevitable? What, you're gonna pew pew 1/6 of his health away before you're frost shocked and then killed in 1-2 hits because you're not a twink and you have crap health?

And you're still talking about hunters . . . and shammies . . .

*How do you continue to respond with all of this after viewing the video of the Lock I linked?

If you weren't so enthralled with your own elitist I pwn all and almost everyone BUT ME is a bad player attitude . . . you'd realize that maybe the BG's you've been in the people have sucked - maybe it's your server or maybe it's your battlegroup - but you're obviously narrow minded enough to say what you said above. There's 10 million that play this game (but the majority of them suck and you don't? lol) . . . get a clue dude. I'm shocked you have a 70 and still have these views . . . your youth shines through.

BTW - no one is saying non twinks can't beat twinks - if any class can do it my vote would be for locks and hunters, the point is that you're making huge generalizations with a narrow base for creating an average of the type of player that pvps in wow. And of course you > the majority . . . lol

But please, keep the laughs coming! :thumbsup:

P.S. - nice trolling btw!

I'll check back on this thread, but I'm tired of banging my head against a wall here. lol
So, I'm agreeing to disagree, I suggest the other posters do to and let this one die.

[Tr1cK]

Not reading any of the rest of this, but I LOVE TWINKS!

I don't twink, but I love selling all the green crap with AGI, STAM, and INT on it in the AH for overly inflated prices. Thanks for easy gold for my alts mounts suckers!

I think the only worthwhile PvP is 60+ where most classes have 99% of their abilities. The low level twinking is severely imbalanced to certain classes. That's why I don't do it.

[Alucius]

To the long-winded douchenugget above

I have been playing this game since the day it came out, and have 4 completely geared (read all epics both pvp and pve ****) level 70s. I don't need to play a level 20 for 2 years to come to conclusions about the skill of players in low level bgs.

The fact that you suck so bad that as a hunter you can't kite a shaman who has 20 yd range on his shocks is just sad. It's also sad that you don't know how to use traps properly (hint: its to get distance and continue kiting!). Once he's off his mount, there is no excuse for letting him get within 20 yds of you. The trap is there to allow you to get back to 40+ yds if he charges you on his mount.

[xDarkDrifterx]

To the long-winded douchenugget above

Wow - thats intelligent.


The fact that you suck so bad that as a hunter you can't kite a shaman who has 20 yd range on his shocks is just sad. It's also sad that you don't know how to use traps properly (hint: its to get distance and continue kiting!). Once he's off his mount, there is no excuse for letting him get within 20 yds of you. The trap is there to allow you to get back to 40+ yds if he charges you on his mount.

Dude, are you clueless :laughing: . . . I never once talked about me as a hunter and my abilities to do anything . . . again you prove your ignorance and lack of reading comprehension.

You've got issues as your lashing back with "douchenugget" and attempted bashing of me . . . this accomplishes nothing but showing your level of maturity . . . or rather lack of . . . lol /fail


Apparently you're forgetting so let me quote what YOU said:

Most players are bad. If you do not agree with this I question your bg experience and/or pvp skill.

Unless there is some reason that the few good players would twink more frequently than the bad ones, the ratio of good to bad twinks would mirror good to bad players - i.e. most would still be bad.

However, I wager that there is actually a greater (significantly so) ratio of nub twinks to skilled twinks based on 2 factors:

1. A good player wouldn't even need to twink to dominate bgs. His incentive to max out the stats on his char is practically nil as it is strictly overkill (I haven't even bothered leveling to 28 yet because I already destroy everyone twinks included at 27 - I have lost my appetite to even bother leveling or improving this char as a result).

2. A good player will also have less incentive to twink as he can compete at l70, while bad players will find it much more challenging pvping at 70 with no way to gain a gear advantage over others (which they CAN however acheive by twinking).

and all of our conversations have stemmed from that.

Are you even paying attention to what this thread is talking about? My hunter is 70 and has just under 11k health with 314 resil and all epics (s1-s3) minus one trinket - I eat most classes for breakfast - I certainly have no issues kiting whomever whenever lol (woopity dooo . . epeen epeen) - (but this didn't come up . . why? b/c we're not talking about ME . . . we're talking about YOU and your 22 hunter going up against twinks) and we're talkign about other TWINKS and specific BG brackets (namely 49). . .wtf are you even talking about? Everyone that's posted after you (minus 1) has tried to give you examples and situations to disprove and show you your lack of perspective on the topic. But you have somehow tried to make this about me and my hunter and what you think I can or can't do (though I'm saying what YOU can't do) . . . we're not talking about me . . . we're not talking about mains . . .or 70 pvp even . . . pay attention man.

Well, considering your response here - I guess we (myself and the 4 others trying to open your eyes) have proven all of our points.

So, can you talk like a big boy now - maybe continue on with an intelligent conversation of point versus point? If not /shoo on back to the officials especially with comments such as yours.

P.S. - You've still not commented on how a non twink is gonna kite or even just go up against a level 49 lock like in the video I posted.

[odinsnephew]

To the long-winded douchenugget above

I have been playing this game since the day it came out, and have 4 completely geared (read all epics both pvp and pve ****) level 70s. I don't need to play a level 20 for 2 years to come to conclusions about the skill of players in low level bgs.

The fact that you suck so bad that as a hunter you can't kite a shaman who has 20 yd range on his shocks is just sad. It's also sad that you don't know how to use traps properly (hint: its to get distance and continue kiting!). Once he's off his mount, there is no excuse for letting him get within 20 yds of you. The trap is there to allow you to get back to 40+ yds if he charges you on his mount.

Eh? Lol. I can almost feel a lolcat picture coming soon ;)

[xDarkDrifterx]

Eh? Lol. I can almost feel a lolcat picture coming soon ;)

lol :wink:

[Shellar]

I'd like to point out the effect of "skill" (that is, personal maneuverability and reaction) becomes progressively diminished with the increased number of participants in combat. Masterful kiting is godly in duels, and can certainly turn the tide of a 2v2 or a 3v3 arena match. To a limited extend, it can even be handy in WSG. However, when two dozen people clash at the Blacksmith node (or, better yet, when fifty people decide to butt heads over control of the Iceblood Graveyard), no amount of individual "skill" will save you. At this point, victory is decided by each group's ability to focus fire, the sheer amount of damage/healing output, the survivability stats, and the good old-fashioned numerical advantage. That's the kind of situation where twinks definitely have the upper hand.

[odinsnephew]

This is fairly appropriate I think, http://www.roflcat.com/Alright-Gentlemen-How-Do-We-Kill-Superman.php

[xDarkDrifterx]

This is fairly appropriate I think, http://www.roflcat.com/Alright-Gentlemen-How-Do-We-Kill-Superman.php

OMG! hahaha Odin!

Do we have kryptonite in WOW?

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I thought this one fit.

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[nosoup4crr]

I have been playing this game since the day it came out, and have 4 completely geared (read all epics both pvp and pve ****) level 70s. I don't need to play a level 20 for 2 years to come to conclusions about the skill of players in low level bgs.


all this is evidence of is that it's possible to waste half your life in PvE and learn nothing about PvP. Congrats on your wellfare epics and 1450 ratings. I've only had one level 70...who was rank 12 prior to the point where you started getting all of your gear the easy way...and quit playing after S1, where I had 3 teams above 1800 and 1 above 2k. Don't lecture me about the way you play against shaman. Obviously, the level 70 shaman you've gone up against are horrible players--further evidence of the fact that twinking has no correlation to skill.

You've been judged, and found to be yet another general forum blogger who's mad because I'm killing your level 25 priest.

Over and out, cheech.

P.S. I'm in your battlegrounds, killing your low level alts...and laughing at you and your kiting skills.

[caldepen]

Don't blame Alucius, he's just upset because the Sens will never win the cup...

[Findariel]

1. A good player wouldn't even need to twink to dominate bgs. His incentive to max out the stats on his char is practically nil as it is strictly overkill (I haven't even bothered leveling to 28 yet because I already destroy everyone twinks included at 27 - I have lost my appetite to even bother leveling or improving this char as a result).
I wonder what non-hunter, non rogue class you play then? :)

Because I´m convinced that some classes have a huge advantage over others in some brackets. A mage can never beat a hunter in the 29s unless the mage is extremely skillful and the hunter extremely stupid.

2. A good player will also have less incentive to twink as he can compete at l70, while bad players will find it much more challenging pvping at 70 with no way to gain a gear advantage over others (which they CAN however acheive by twinking).
As said before, l agree that lvl70 BGs are as "twinkish" as the x9s. I have a level 70 priest in full epic PvE gear, who still is a free kill for everyone in PvP gear.

The BIG problem for lvl70 (imo) is that for many classes, you have to keep 2 armour sets and 2 builds to be able to compete in both parts of the game.
And many people (incl. me) see no incentive to endlessly grind for PvP gear that's (for the most part) useless in PvE.

[caldepen]

I have lost my appetite to even bother leveling or improving this char as a result

The other point worth mentioning is if you do not like some aspect of the game why do you have to come on the forums and moan about it? Just stop doing it.

P.S. I don't like pickles! Everybody who does is a nub and should L2bite