Lost- view with caution

[Tikki]

WARNING: LOST SPOILERS AHEAD!!!!!!






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Ok, xDDx, save me.

I watched the first show of the season on the weekend and my mind hurts...ONLY 6 SURVIVE? We know that Hurley, Jack, Kate, Sawyer and Lock (?) survived. Do you remember one of the episodes last season that was a future flash and they were are a funeral, was that Locks funeral?

I mean, this is just....my mind hurts!!! The island wants them to come back? Why are they hiding? Who are they hiding from? What's with Charlie? Is he going to have a major role in this season?

What happened on the last episode, I couldn't get it off of any local stations and I won't be able to see it until tonight!

This is INSANE!!!! I can't deal with this!

Anyone have any theories? Do you think the others stay back on the island?

[jschild]

Tikki, you are confused. It is not only 6 that survive. It is 6 that make it off the island. That is made very clear in the 2nd epoisode with hurley. They are "pretending" for whatever reason, that they were the only survivors.

ABC.com has the episodes for free to watch.

[Tikki]

Tikki, you are confused. It is not only 6 that survive. It is 6 that make it off the island. That is made very clear in the 2nd epoisode with hurley. They are "pretending" for whatever reason, that they were the only survivors.

ABC.com has the episodes for free to watch.

I'm in canada so ABC doesn't let me watch it.

so in the second episode, it says that MORE than 6 survive, it's just the 6 got off the island?

....ooooooo!!!! :grin:

[jschild]

Someone visits Hurley and asks about the island.

Remember, everyone off the island thinks that the plane crashed in the ocean because they found "the plane" there.

Hurley brings it up to Jack, who wants to make sure Hurley doesn't talk to anyone about it.

Get something like Bittorrent, look up the episode name, then google "Download Lost Episode Name torrent"

Then do a virus check to make sure file is clean, then watch and enjoy!.

[Tikki]

hmmm..you see, I did that. We use utorrent!

but last night when I sat down to watch it, it was just the same as the first episode...or maybe I actually saw the second...the first one was where they show Hurley crashing the car, correct?

Hmm...I'll have to double time it so I can get all caught up before tomorrow!

[jschild]

Lol, im getting confused..Yes that is the first..lol

DoH!

The 2nd deals with the people on the freighter coming to the island and who they are.

[Tikki]

oooh WHO ARE THEY!!!!?

I think I must have missed some of the first episode.

I live with my boyfriend, and I'll come home from work and want to chat about the day and he's like "Yup." "Mmmhmm." "Ok." I'll fart around, make dinner, tidy, play WoW and he's doing his own thing, silent, into whatever. But as soon as i sit on the couch and start watching tv, he doesn't shut up. EVERY 3 minutes he has something to say, something to ask me, something to tell me about the show. He does COMMENTARY on my programs. I love him, and it's sweet, but I often miss critical things in shows.

[jschild]

They are.....THEY?

However, the ones who come to the island are very....eclectic to say the least. Odd picks all and the big surprise is who (or what) they are looking for.

EDIT: My wife and I almost never talk during a movie or tv show (except for OH FUXX!!! moments).
We will however, spend 10-15 min talking about it afterwards.

[Tikki]

Ahhh!!! But who ARE they!? hehehe

what IS the big surprise?! I'm sooo going to have to watch it. Did you hear that they have vans going around america with fake publicity for the airline in Lost? I love how they do all these spin off things for the show- makes it so much better!

Also, I would LOVE that. My boyfriend has a bad habit of being a chatty Cathy during movies...he also wants to give me lovens and snuggles and just distract my attention from what I'm watching...all in all...it is endearing :)

[jschild]

Loved the fake commericals during season 2 or 3. The fake websites were awesome.

we snuggle, but don't talk.

[Tikki]

since i'm up in canada we don't get the fake commercials during the shows....hehe i hate to watch them over the net, which didn't do the trick....but at least I saw them! muuahaha

so what are your theories?

[jschild]

FOr whatever reason, Jack, Kate, Hurley, and 3 others get off the island, somehow in relation to those people from the freighter. One of the 6 will eventually die.

Since WE know the plane is a fake, and something like that would be a HUGE story (who would fake a plane crash?) then the 6 pretend that they somehow "survived" the plane crash into the ocean (not the island). They do this to protect those on the island, for some unknown reason.

Leaving the island is a huge mistake obviuosly...I think penny will somehow help them return to the island.

WHat the island is, or represents, concerns humanity, but HOW i do not know.

EDIT: That, or its some damn 5 year old autistic child playing with a damn snow globe with a island on it.

[xDarkDrifterx]

Yeah js hit most of the points. We don't know much yet. They're starting to give us backstories on the people rom the freighter and how they are all related to this story.

The freighter helicopter pilot - should have been piloting the actual plane that went down.

One of the guys with them is psychic, etc

An underwater salvage company finds the enitre plane in one piece at the bottom of the ocean - how did this occur? They show the pilots body on the TV but a friend says it's not him?

What kind of huge coverup is this, or is it a cover up?

Who's the weird guy / ghost whatever in the cabin? Why can only certain people see it and him?

There's other places in the world where there are DHARMA Initiative stations showing up . . .

I won't tell you anymore - you'll learn a lot during the 2nd episode and be left with even more questions . . .

Like, why the freighter people are REALLY there etc.

There are a lot of questions to be answered this season that they are starting to touch on.

[jschild]

Dharma or a later iteration is obviously behind the coverup, but why?

Jacob is the strange ghost guy -Great reaction by Locke and Ben when someone else mentions the cabin.

[xDarkDrifterx]

Dharma or a later iteration is obviously behind the coverup, but why?

Or did Dharma get caught up in something bigger then itself that has yet to be revealed within the show? So I hesitate to say "obviously" :wink:

Yeah, I thought that was a good reaction too - like "WTF! How can you see him?" But we still don't know who or what "Jacob" is.

Good stuff.

[jschild]

Thats why i say "later iteration", cause the "others" are not part of Dharma, but have somehow superceded it in some fashion. Only Ben is from the original "Dharma" group.

I too, really, really, want to know about Jacob. I have a feeling that MANY of the answers are tied up with him.

[xDarkDrifterx]

Maybe there's only 6 survivors and the whole island thing is just their imagination mixed with their subconscious (remembering people in the airport and people on the plane and the people currently helping them on a boat that found them) and they're all (the 6) on a boat being hauled away from the wrecked plane in the middle of the ocean with everyone else dead . . . and they're in out of consciousness.

**que Twilight Zone music**

lol

That's why I like this show so much - it keeps you guessing at all times.

[jschild]

It better not be the Autistic kid. I'll never watch anything J.J. makes again if thats it.

[spadron]

FOr whatever reason, Jack, Kate, Hurley, and 3 others get off the island, somehow in relation to those people from the freighter. One of the 6 will eventually die.

I'm not so sure one of them will die (well all of them will eventually, but re: the coffin).

I think it might be Ben or Michael in the coffin (due to Kate's indifference).

re: the Oceanic 6, Desmond convinced Charlie to dive to the Looking Glass because he had a future vision of Claire getting on a helicopter....so I'm guessing either

a) Claire is one of the 6 (in which case is Aaron another one?)
b) They go back to the island and rescue the rest of the losties


Also re: Jacob, we got a good look at him when Hurley found the cabin last week: http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a216/cupcakesaysmeow/facecabin.png

Look familiar?

edit: and now that we know why the freighter people are there, I'd say there's no question they're something to do with Dharma

[Cembrelise]

What I want to know is:

Who is Strange Tall Bald Black Man In A Suit?

Why is he both organizing this team from the freighter AND trying to get the Oceanic Six, in the flash-forwards, to go back? Knowing that he was putting together the so-called rescue group, you'd think he's connected with the organization out to get Ben. But . . . wouldn't he rather just keep the six quiet and happy rather than going to lure Hurley into going back?

I mean, am I crazy or was that what their conversation was all about? "We can get you an oceanside view?" He says he's from Oceanic, but he isn't if he's pro-Dharma or whatever.

Unless Oceanic is a Dharma-or-whoever-owned airline?

[spadron]

What I want to know is:

Who is Strange Tall Bald Black Man In A Suit?

Why is he both organizing this team from the freighter AND trying to get the Oceanic Six, in the flash-forwards, to go back? Knowing that he was putting together the so-called rescue group, you'd think he's connected with the organization out to get Ben. But . . . wouldn't he rather just keep the six quiet and happy rather than going to lure Hurley into going back?

I mean, am I crazy or was that what their conversation was all about? "We can get you an oceanside view?" He says he's from Oceanic, but he isn't if he's pro-Dharma or whatever.

Unless Oceanic is a Dharma-or-whoever-owned airline?

Was he trying to get Hurley to go back? I thought he was just trying to get the truth out of him?

[jschild]

Yeah, he was trying to get info from hurley.

I think they "lost" the island again and need help finding it.

[Tikki]

I got the impression he was trying to get information out of him...

Does anyone else get the feeling he doesn't know where the others are?

[Eileithyia]

I still want to know about the black smokey thing. :ponder:

[Tikki]

YES! and the polar bear! and the sharks with the logos on them!!!

AND CHARLIE!!! he can't be gone for good!!!

[ahhdamm]

they don't call it "Lost" because the people on the show are lost.
it's because the people watching the show are lost...lol

[xDarkDrifterx]

I still want to know about the black smokey thing. :ponder:

Yeah, everyone's wondering about that, even last week when Lock started askign Ben questions one of the first questions was what is the black smokey thing. We were told it was part of the security system many episodes ago, but they didn't go into details or further explanation. I'm hoping maybe they'll do a whole episode explaining it (maybe they track it or something) because of how it acts / reacts to certain circumstances and emotions.

YES! and the polar bear! and the sharks with the logos on them!!!

Well we know the bears and the sharks are part of Dharma projects and that supposedly they're just a part of the "security" . . . but I think we'd all like to know more.

[Tikki]

xDDx, when did we find this out!?! I mean common sense says that...but...I'm lost. ahhdamm you're right...lost is about us being lost.

and what was the deal with the comic book and the kid? didn't it show what was happening on the island? and what about jack seeing is father? was that jacob playing with his mind?

I'm still stuck on all my questions from season one...i don't think i can comprehend all the other seasons until they're answered :)

[Eileithyia]

Also re: Jacob, we got a good look at him when Hurley found the cabin last week: http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a216/cupcakesaysmeow/facecabin.png

Look familiar?



Is it me, or dose that look like Jack's father?

[jschild]

Charlie is dead...one great thing about lost is that they aren't afraid to kill off characters. That being said, we have not seen the last of him.

I'm pretty sure Hurley knows they can return to the island (he might not be able to point to it on a map but they can get back).


The polar bear and sharks is a Dharma thing - What is interesting is the non-reaction the archeologist lady has when she finds the polar bear skill in the middle of the desert. Just how long or big is Dharma anyway?

As for the big smokey thing - I think no one but perhaps Jacob actually knows. The black smokey thing might provide security, but it is obviously not a "security system".

[Tikki]

ooo it does look like jack's father....i hope it's not...my brain can't handle that.

I mean...it would make NOOO sense...well, unless Jacob appears to people in certain forms...does jack know of jacob? or been in the house?

[Eileithyia]

It seems to have some connection with most of their fathers lately. This is probably another weird heady messy up thing now.

/Head explodes

[Tikki]

haha, my head is about to turn to mush.

I like that though, you are right about the father aspect.

It's weird, there are many and hardly any connects between them all. But certainly the majority of the men seem to have an issue with either a father, stepfather, or father inlaw.

what about the women? kate had a father issue correct? sun, yes. What about claire? And what about the older couple (the lady with cancer)?

hmm...you've opened up a door....I don't know if I should thank you, or hate you for make my head spin :p hehehehe

[jschild]

Claire's father was never around...mainly because he was busy making such a mess of Jack's life.

[Tikki]

CRAP! how could I forget that huge important fact...I'm going to have to take time off of work and sit down and all all three seasons....I'm forgetting WAY too much to call myself a fan.

[jschild]

Wikipedia probably has a good set of info, not sure if there is any super good Lost websites with all the info.

[Tikki]

wiki does a pretty good job.

still, there's so many great parts of the show...i can remember when Hurley discovered the numbers on the top of the hatched! I screamed...the show is SOOOOO good.

[jschild]

One of my favs along with BSG and Bones.

[Tikki]

Two great shows.
I also like Criminal Minds.
We're big TV addicts in our house. It's cozy, cheap entertainment!

[Eileithyia]

I've Just been emailed a huge thing about the island its self and Jacob, it kind of explains the island (if you belive it to be true.) I would like to post it here, but concerned if I do it might upset people who dont want to know.

Question is shall I post it? (its quite a long read.)

[jschild]

You can send it to me at the very least..I'd like to read it.

Tikki, we watch alot of television too. Have you seen Pushing Daisies? Very good and different.

[Tikki]

Post a spoiler warning and then post it!!! If people know what it might contain they can choose not to read it!!!

BUT I WANT TO READ IT!!! teeeheheheeh! who's the email from?

[Eileithyia]

Post a spoiler warning and then post it!!! If people know what it might contain they can choose not to read it!!!

BUT I WANT TO READ IT!!! teeeheheheeh! who's the email from?

Some guy in work. it also explains the smoke. Again if you belive this write up to be true.

OK i will get the email now and post it, and mark it spoiler.

[Eileithyia]

DO NOT READ, MAY OR MAY NOT SPOIL LOST

appolgies for the long post.

The island is largely black rock - a naturally occurring magnetic mineral. It has the uncanny property of storing electromagnetic currents - like a big magnetic tape.

Magnus Hanso - grandfather of Alvar Hanso and venture capitalist - captained his ship The Black Rock to the island in the nineteenth century. He intended to use slaves and dynamite to mine the fabled black rock and sell it. However, he was caught in a storm - as many have been near the island - and was shipwrecked.

He survived, but the slaves were lost. Whilst making a boat to leave the island, Magnus thought he could hear the screams of his cargo as the ship sank. He thought the melancholy would pass, but it did not; in fact, it was as though he could literally hear their thoughts in the last moments of their lives - even in their foreign tongue.

The whispers, the voices, the memories were stronger in those areas that were predominantly black rock. They were coming from the black rock itself. As lava cools it records the earth’s pattern of magnetic currents at the time; in a similar way, the black rock was storing all electromagnetic activity - light, sound, thought, memory.

Of greater significance to Magnus was that the black rock also held the pattern of the future. Magnus was able to faintly sense how things would be.

Magnus made a boat, returned home, kept his mouth shut about what he’d discovered, and bought the island. He came back many times and was able to navigate the safest approach. On the island, he would meditate on what the future held - what the rock was telling him - and then commit this to paper. He would then return to centres of commerce and use these predictions to speculate and invest in forthcoming wars, selling munitions. He amassed a great fortune. The secret of the island and the wealth was passed down through the Hanso family to Alvar Hanso in the 20th century.

. . .

A mathematician named Valenzetti calculated a mathematical formula for the end of the world, the ‘core numbers’ of which are 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42. These numbers occur everywhere, he said, and predict earth’s destruction. This finding was presented to the United Nations; they did not believe or care and so discarded it.

Alvar learnt of this formula and knew that it was correct as it correlated with what the island had revealed to him. He enlisted the help of Valenzetti and many others to form the DHARMA Initiative, the purpose of which was to change these numbers - and so avert the predicted destruction of earth.

DHARMA was based on the island. Although the organisation was highly secretive, Alvar felt he had to share the island for the greater good of mankind. The greatest scientists he could find were brought to the island - as were gifted children who had great mental ability bordering on psychic.

Various stations were set up on the island to perform these experiments: the objective of which was to change Fate itself. One experiment was the Swan; initially, it was just a Skinner Box - a psychological experiment to test two subjects’ willingness to repeatedly press a button because they were told it was important. The intention here was to see if their faith in their ‘duty’ was sufficient to budge Fate a millimetre. It didn’t work.

Another station - the Pearl - was set up. This experiment was based on another pair of subjects who were told to observe the actions of the occupants of the Swan. The objective here, based on Quantum Theory, was to see if - by observation alone - the outcome of the Swan could be affected. It was not and neither was Fate.

. . .

It was decided to try and dam the flow of Destiny from the island to the outside world - to stop the current.

Jacob was selected as the most gifted child. He was able to move small objects with his mind, which is shown in the Orientation film.
It was hoped that if the rock could store human memory electromagnetically then, perhaps, the reverse could happen and a human mind could absorb this electromagnetic memory from the rock. The intention was always to change Destiny.

Jacob was placed at the epicentre of the island’s power in an underground chamber. Powered up, wired up, and observed by a team of scientists including Dr Marvin Candle, Jacob attempted to absorb Destiny from the black rock. Unfortunately, he failed; there was an explosion, referred to later as the “incident”.

At that moment, Jacob lost all corporeal form and was merged with the black rock itself. But he survived. His consciousness was embedded in broken fragments of the rock. His consciousness was able to move objects - as he had in human form… but now it meant he could lift himself - in the form of rock fragments and move freely. The naturally-ocurring electromagnetic field around the area of the Swan assisted in his mobility and sustained his life.

Jacob was able to move as a black cloud of dust and re-form himself into different shapes. He soon learnt that he could also use electromagnetism to conjure up images and sound. And later still, that he could ‘read minds’ as we saw he did with Eko.

DHARMA had failed in changing Destiny for the better and had actually made things worse by creating a massive anomaly. Alvar was despondent. He and his wife returned to the island to die. They laid themselves down in two alcoves and allowed Jacob to peacefully end them. In Alvar’s pocket was a pouch containing two stones - one black and one white - one for him and one for his wife. They thought that if they could, after death, find these two stones and reside in them as separate consciousnesses then they would allow Jacob to absorb them into his form. As long as the black rock existed, they would be immortal. It worked; and Jacob became a ‘three-headed’ entity, referred to as ‘Cerberus’ on the blast door map created by Radzinsky. (Cerberus was the three-headed guard dog of Greek mythology).

. . .

The ‘incident’ (as described by Dr Marvin Candle - who lost an arm - in the Orientation film) now necessitated the periodic release of the electromagnetism. The periodic build-up of power sustained Jacob/Cerberus and allowed for continued analysis of Destiny by the remaining scientists; the periodic release prevented another disaster. The whole area of the ‘incident’ was concreted. And now the Swan had a genuine use: to release electromagnetism every 108 minutes to an orbiting satellite with a 5 minute pass-over. For this task they conscripted the help of two people they knew to be spies: Radzinsky and Inman for USSR and USA respectively.

They realised they could not - or should not - try to change Destiny. However, the long-term effect of the incident was to create an anomaly in Destiny that might itself be the cause of the predicted cataclysm on earth. This needed to be corrected now. The anomaly had pulled in a ship of scientists - including a pregnant Rousseau - and shipwrecked it. [What was left of] DHARMA realised that this ship was never ‘meant’ to be shipwrecked on the island and that their meddling with Destiny would create anomalies of wider and potentially more dangerous significance.

The scientists sought to correct their mistake before it snowballed. It was a difficult task to perform without screwing up Destiny further but they had the resources.

. . .

Bea Kulgh, a DHARMA initiate, sensed a shift from an idealistic community in ‘Otherville’ towards a totalitarian cult headed by a powerful triumvirate leader. She reached out for others who felt the same, but it was impossible - any disobedience meant being brainwashed in the re-programming room (where we saw Carl). During her tour of duty in the Pearl , which was still active at the time, she was able to secretly communicate with Radzinsky and Inman via the computer. She fed them information from which - with their own reconnaissance - they were able to produce a map of the island and the hatches, which John Locke saw on the blast door in Lockdown. They removed part of the Orientation film that forbade communication via the computer so that, if they were found out and replaced, their replacements would not be hindered by that rule. And they formulated a plan to escape.

Radzinsky had been seeing images of his past - as all of the Losties have. He saw people he had tortured whilst working for the KGB. These visions were actually produced by Jacob/Cerberus. The point of the visions was as intense, life-changing therapy. It is believed that a person can overcome their own past, nature and fears to transcend into something pure and fit for DHARMA. Radzinsky had been seeing visions of a person he had tortured; he had cut out the prisoner’s eye.

The culmination of the ‘therapy’ is a Test. We saw Eko fail his Test by refusing to repent for his past - this ended badly for him when he chased after Jacob/Cerberus. We also saw Hurley fail his test when he refused to take a leap of faith off a cliff - as urged by his imaginary-turned-real friend Dave.

Radzinsky’s Test was to cut out his own eye - “an eye for an eye”. He knew none of this was real, but they had a plan to escape for which he would do anything. Kneeling before his victim, as Eko would do, Radzinsky used Inman’s US Army knife to cut out his own eye, thereby passing the Test.

. . .

When Radzinsky awoke, he was greeted by Benjamin Linus and the other Others. He was given a tour of ‘Otherville’, told the rough outline of DHARMA and what it meant. He was given a glass eye and was put to work. He appeared to be receptive to DHARMA’s aims but, in reality, all he wanted was to escape. He proceeded with the plan.

At the right time, he blew up the Arrow hatch, killing several people. He radioed Inman, in the Swan, immediately and ran across the island towards him. It did not take long before Jacob/Cerberus tracked him down, but he timed it right so that his dash would coincide with the rain showers to give him the biggest headstart possible.

Radzinsky made it to the Swan where Inman had prepared the trap. It was dark by now, and a bright light shone from the hatch; Jacob/Cerberus followed it down. Inman could see Jacob/Cerberus through his array of mirrors from the safe vantage point of the Swan lounge area. He saw Jacob/Cerberus approach; Jacob/Cerberus moved toward the open door. Radzinsky fused the lockdown door bringing it crashing down and turned the water on. The area outside the door - where Jacob/Cerberus was - filled with water. An exposed fusebox near the ladder caused a massive electrical current to pass through Jacob/Cerberus. Unfortunately, a small part of Jacob/Cerberus got under the door before being completely disabled. This part reformed as someone from Inman’s past - a daughter perhaps, or a fallen comrade - whoever it was, Inman had not yet had the visions and was frozen with emotion. He could not act to destroy this loved one in front of him and would not heed Radzinksy’s frantic pleading that it was not real and that they needed to escape now while they could. Radzinsky left him behind.

[The fusebox and water pipe are seen by Jack the very first time he goes down the hatch ladder - season 2, episode 1.]

Radzinsky continued with the plan and left the Swan with the film cutting. He made his way to the Flame where he knew he would be able to communicate with the outside world and be rescued. When he got there, he was surprised to find it deserted and, what was more bizarre, prepared for him: there was a plentiful supply of Vodka, there was a computer that played chess, there was a cat, there was even a picture of Nadia Comaneci on the wall - the Olympic gymnast who shared his birthday. He sat in front of a bank of monitors and began trying to reach the outside world - it had been such a long time. Flicking through the channels, it became apparent that the Berlin Wall had fallen and so had the Soviet Union with it. Communication was pointless. He spent the next few days in a drunken stupor. At last, Benjamin and the Others came to him.

They agreed on a truce; he had killed some of them but he could not be held completely responsible as he had not passed the Test in truth and had not been truly ready to join DHARMA. They allowed him to live so long as he never came to their camp, never fraternised with any of them, and worked at the Flame as their communications man. He would be completely autonomous, with his own livestock. He asked about Inman; they told him that Inman had been ‘persuaded’ that Radzinsky had killed himself - they had placed a faceless corpse in the Swan for him to discover when he woke up, which he would assume to be Radzinsky’s and so bury him without questioning.

At this point, the cat changed shape becoming a swirling mass of black dust - it was Jacob/Cerberus albeit temporarily smaller. Jacob/Cerberus renamed Radzinsky as Bakunin - after the famous Russian anarchist - as he had rejected his leadership. He told him that his trap in the Swan had interfered with the release of electromagnetism and had created another anomaly: a light aircraft from Nigeria was brought down. The crashing of a small plane and the loss of a few lives in itself might not be such an anomaly - as Destiny can ‘course-correct’ to a certain extent - what was more problematic was that the plane was carrying drugs. The consequence of the plane crashing - when it had never been destined to crash - was that there would be a massive slump in supply of the drug, affecting many more lives (including Charlie’s) - and the knock-on effect was incalculable.

Bakunin was tasked with tracking down the effects of the anomaly as it spread through the world and to profile each person whose life would be significantly affected by it. These people were connected one way or another to this crash or to each other and the anomaly would ripple outwards creating greater and greater waves. Bakunin tracked them down using the Flame. These people were - one way or another - put on the same plane at the same time and brought to the island so that Destiny could be corrected…. Jack, Kate, Charlie, Sawyer, Rose and the rest of Flight 815. Destiny and DHARMA were course-correcting.

. . .

Bakunin returned to the burntout Arrow station. He was remorseful. He deposited his hollowed-out Bible containing the film cutting, his glass eye which had been a gift from DHARMA, and the radio he had used to communicate with his friend Inman.

. . .

When Desmond turned the failsafe key in the Swan and caused it to implode, he was rescued by Jacob/Cerberus, but not before he had absorbed much of the Swan’s power. Now, DESmond does not see the future but DEStiny - how things are planned to happen - not necessarily how they will happen.

[jschild]

Interesting info about the stations here
http://weburbanist.com/2008/02/13/a-visual-tour-of-the-dharma-initiative-7-mysterious-abandonments-of-the-lost-island/

[jschild]

That post is...interesting, but far too detailed. Looks like someone wrote an interesting story to try to fit known clues, and not a theory in and of itself. Where did that info come from.

[Eileithyia]

That post is...interesting, but far too detailed. Looks like someone wrote an interesting story to try to fit known clues, and not a theory in and of itself. Where did that info come from.

I'm not sure where my friend got the info from, I will ask him tomorrow in work. He sent it me after I sent him the pic of Jacob. Your right in it being very detailed.

I like the theroy about Jacob being the smoke though.

[jschild]

Seems off somehow... there is FAR too much detail that hasn't been in anything shown, so it cannot be from that, or at least all of it.

[spadron]

Good theory, I can't get enough of them.

Tikki: They kept Sawyer in the polar bear cages in Season 3, remember? :)

[xDarkDrifterx]

Check this out:

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Main_Page

[Tikki]

jschild: that's a neat link...I can't believe the wealth of information out there about lost. one of these theories has to be right...

Eil: thank you for that post! It's very detailed, but did give me a lot to think about. I love creative and in depth theories like that. It'll be interesting to find out how he came up with all that! it's impressive!

xDDx: Thanks for the link! Totally filled with lots of info! Btw, I'm calling you double D's from now on! hehehehe


So I got the third season yesterday and decided to rip out the 1 and 2 and start from the beginning. I'm sitting down with a pen and paper and writing all the strange occurrences and connections in the show...i'm determined to make a big break!

Oh, and do we ever meet and of the flight crew as one of the survivors? I can't remember...


OOOh, and a question I had for a long time was in regards to an episode. Do you remember last season a couple showing up? They were kind of "bad" and ended up getting berried alive. What was that about? It hasn't come back into the plot again, has it? I have A LOT of watching to do...

[jschild]

PS Tikki

We now know of two more survivors from the island. Only one of them is one of the Oceanic 6.

[Tikki]

AHHH! I haven't watched it yet! AHHHH!! two more! AHHHH!!!

Ok...i'm downloaded e2 and e3 of this season!

[spadron]

OOOh, and a question I had for a long time was in regards to an episode. Do you remember last season a couple showing up? They were kind of "bad" and ended up getting berried alive. What was that about? It hasn't come back into the plot again, has it? I have A LOT of watching to do...

Nikki & Paulo? They got buried alive :)


JSChild: That was a cool reveal :)

[teacake]

The first flashforward shown, where Kate and Jack meet at the airport.. this is set after the other flashforwards isn't it? Because Jack is a mess and has a beard. In the other flashforwards he doesn't have a beard, is working, and talks about maybe growing a beard.

The big mystery to me.. the Oceanic 6 are miserable and can't overcome their lives and want to go back to the island. But life on the island totally sucked!!

And yes that pic of Jacob looks like Jack's dad.

[jschild]

The guy on the rocking chair was not Jacob. The eye that we see most likely was.

Yes - the VERY first flashforward (last episode of last season) takes place later than anyone we have seen (except for the last episode - No names since Tikki hasn't seen it yet - we don't know the timeframe for that episode).

[Tikki]

Nikki & Paulo? They got buried alive :)



But why!?! WHY!!? What was the point of this? what did this add to the story!?

[jschild]

I think it was just to have a story about people not even related to the island, something different.

[Eileithyia]

Probably one of them lost things to throw you off scent and make you think wtf!!

Watched episode 3 last night of the new season and i'm even more confused now.

[uwdaveh]

I LOVE Lost lol. Great show. Gotta love the mystery behind the island :)

For me, being "lost" (that means having lots of questions) is one of the reason I love Lost. In 2010 we'll understand most of the island's mystery...it will be awesome :D

[Tikki]

Ok, all my attempts to download episode two stank. i can't get a legit cope on utorrent and tonight's the first episode...SO wiki here I come!!

anyone else uber excited? I still have to watch last weeks show before tonight! weeeeeee!

and I have to agree with you umdaveh, I love that I NEVER know what's really going on in the show :)

[jschild]

I'm very excited, finally get to see who Kate hooked up with.

[xDarkDrifterx]

It's Aaron . . . thought it might have been, but also thought maybe it was Sawyers . . . ahh the twists . . .

[Euphoricsoul]

I'm beginning to think that Kate was responsible for Claire's demise, and in her shame has decided to raise Aaron. That's why I think Jack can't stand to look at Aaron, even though he still loves Kate. (Jack is Claire's half-brother, remember!)

Also, the 3.2Million that the asian guy asked Ben for seemed to me like more of a code than a real attempt at bribing him. Something's going on there.

[uwdaveh]

A grenade in the mouth...lmao.

[xDarkDrifterx]

A grenade in the mouth...lmao.

. . . but in the mean time, enjoy your breakfast . . . :grin:

[Tikki]

OH MY GOODNESS!! Eeeeeeeeeeee!!! This is crazy!!

I found out on one of the stations here that run the show, that they provide a little scroll bar at the bottom of the screen that give hints about the show and connections...very very neat..

ANYWAYS...I have to say, both the end of the 3 and 4 show surprised me.

Lost keeps getting better and better....I mean...it's amazing.

Euph, I love your theory there...it's very interesting.
Anyone else like the new people? I love them. My head is still spinning!

[jschild]

Jack doesn't know Claire is his half-sister.

I honestly cannot think of any reason why Jack would not want to deal with the baby is Sawyer is not the father.

Also, Desmond saw Claire and the baby getting off the island. She can't die. Can she?

[spadron]

I think Jack may have been responsible for Claire's death, hence his not wanting to see him. I don't think he'd avoid seeing his nephew because he reminded him too much of his dead half sister who he was never really very close to.

The question remains though, Desmond saw a vision of Claire getting on the copter with Aaron. Was Claire one of the Oceanic 6? Probably not, otherwise Kate wouldn't be passing Aaron off as her son. Was Desmonds vision false (in which case, did Charlie die for nothing?).

Is Aaron one of the Oceanic six?

In the trial they spoke of 8 survivors, what's their story regarding the other two?

Locke: I knew he had it in him. Things are mounting towards a war worth of The Stand (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Stand) (with the remaining Others crashing the party in place of Trashcan Man?). I think it'll be Jack who eventually takes down Locke. Either that or Smokey finishes him off.

Kate: Hotter dirty or dressed up for court?

Also. How cool is Jeremy Davies as Daniel? Easily the best new character since Ben (nobody try to argue, this is fact not opinion :))

[jschild]

I think it is implied that 2 others died, but survived the crash.

[spadron]

I think it is implied that 2 others died, but survived the crash.

Yeah exactly but that's a lie...so what's their story and why? And who are the other two they're saying survived the crash?

Nikki & Paulo? :grin:

[Tikki]

So, Jack does not want to see kate because of Aaron.

There are two plausible reasons why this is (in my mind):

1) He believes that's Sawyer's child
2) He is responsible (in some way) for Claire's death.

Desmond's "vision" of Claire 'getting off the island' could be misleading. Perhaps it's the helicopter to take them to the Other's transport. I can't remember the vision well enough to know if there were more innuendos to suggest that it was actually them getting off the island, rather than them being picked up from the island.

I have a feeling that some how, Claire and her baby get off the island but are not rescued. The Losties will then come together and "rescue" the two of them, perhaps with the help of a few of the New Others. Perhaps upon this "rescue", Claire is injured. If this happens, I wouldn't doubt that Claire asks Kate to take Aaron, it seems like it's leading up to that. And last but not least- Jack can't save her...boohoo.

I'm curious to know your take on the new "others". Good? Bad? Undecided? There seems like there are certainly individuals in this new group that appear like they'll befriend the survivors.

[irogue]

Didn't Jack regret leaving the island as Ben had suggested? Also, Sayid was killing those "new others" for Ben.

I think Ben would turn out to be the good guy and the “new others” would be the bad guys.

[jschild]

So, Jack does not want to see kate because of Aaron.

There are two plausible reasons why this is (in my mind):

1) He believes that's Sawyer's child
2) He is responsible (in some way) for Claire's death.

Desmond's "vision" of Claire 'getting off the island' could be misleading. Perhaps it's the helicopter to take them to the Other's transport. I can't remember the vision well enough to know if there were more innuendos to suggest that it was actually them getting off the island, rather than them being picked up from the island.

I have a feeling that some how, Claire and her baby get off the island but are not rescued. The Losties will then come together and "rescue" the two of them, perhaps with the help of a few of the New Others. Perhaps upon this "rescue", Claire is injured. If this happens, I wouldn't doubt that Claire asks Kate to take Aaron, it seems like it's leading up to that. And last but not least- Jack can't save her...boohoo.

I'm curious to know your take on the new "others". Good? Bad? Undecided? There seems like there are certainly individuals in this new group that appear like they'll befriend the survivors.

1. How could he think that....unless that baby is NOT Aaron. Jack would know if it is or not.

2. If he was responsible for Claire's death..wouldn't he want to take care of it? Also, Desmond saw them leaving the island. If Claire dies, Charlie pretty much died for nothing.

The new "Others" are the real bad guys I believe. Ben I think is a "Good Guy". He's an ass and goes about things the wrong way, but has the right reasons in mind. They are trying to prevent something very bad from happening. What? I don't know yet.

[xDarkDrifterx]

Kate: Hotter dirty or dressed up for court?

Hot . . . period . . . her name is Evangeline Lilly (it just sounds hot) :smile:

Did you know she's one of the "Hot LiveLink Girls" that tells you to "call me now!" late at night? lol
Seriously, check her IMDB or there's a few websites that talk about it.

For the boys . . . and a few girls :wink:

http://communities.canada.com/saskatoonstarphoenix/photos/ilovelamp/images/151143/350x400.aspx

http://upload.moldova.org/movie/actors/e/evangeline_lilly/thumbnails/tn2_evangeline_lilly_3.jpg

[Tikki]

1. How could he think that....unless that baby is NOT Aaron. Jack would know if it is or not.

2. If he was responsible for Claire's death..wouldn't he want to take care of it? Also, Desmond saw them leaving the island. If Claire dies, Charlie pretty much died for nothing.

The new "Others" are the real bad guys I believe. Ben I think is a "Good Guy". He's an ass and goes about things the wrong way, but has the right reasons in mind. They are trying to prevent something very bad from happening. What? I don't know yet.

AhHHhHhHHRGGGG!!!

This show makes me crazy...jschild, what are your theories as to why Jack doesn't want to see the child?

I can't help thinking that the new others are somewhat good. It just doesn't make sense that Dharma could convince them of evil plots. I think these new others are being used by the initiative. It just doesn't hold with the storyline that these people would take part in a sinister plot. I suppose this is where my blonde shines through, I really have a hard time formulating good theories for this show! There always seems to be a "but" to them...but that's why it's so great.

Anyways...how could a ghostbuster, an anthropologist, a wacky scientist and a drunk pilot really pull off the evil schemes of the Dhrama Initiative?


oh and since xDDx posted such a pretty picture...I thought I would post something for the ladies in this thread....

*drool*

http://www.lostcrazy.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/josh-cool-water.jpg

[xDarkDrifterx]

You didn't ask me but I'll throw in my 2 cents =P

I think Jack doesn't want to see the baby because something happened to Claire, and Jack in some way feels responsible.

It seems like this other group (the ship & helicopter ppl) are either with a group trying to stop Dharma, they are working for Dharma, or they are part of the original "others" in some way. So either Ben is still with Dharma or is an AWOL Dharma Scientist that's taking things into his own hands and they're trying to stop him. It's just getting more and more interesting! =)

Here's a way back thought, I've wondered about. So when the big explosion happened from that base they found in the hatch (when they didn't reset it b/c the computer was busted) and the electromagnetic charge went off that was so big the guys in the North / South Pole region recorded it, then called Desmond's girl friend . . . how did they (she) know what to look for to find him . . . a huge electromagnetic charge . . .huh ? There's something more to Desmond and/or his GF IMO.

[jschild]

AhHHhHhHHRGGGG!!!

This show makes me crazy...jschild, what are your theories as to why Jack doesn't want to see the child?

I can't help thinking that the new others are somewhat good. It just doesn't make sense that Dharma could convince them of evil plots. I think these new others are being used by the initiative. It just doesn't hold with the storyline that these people would take part in a sinister plot. I suppose this is where my blonde shines through, I really have a hard time formulating good theories for this show! There always seems to be a "but" to them...but that's why it's so great.

Anyways...how could a ghostbuster, an anthropologist, a wacky scientist and a drunk pilot really pull off the evil schemes of the Dhrama Initiative?

My wife was frustrated because I wouldn't speculate on why. She kinda views it as... we know A, we know C, so we are just missing B.... in regards to that baby.

I think its like we know A, we know F, and are missnig B, C, D, and E.

I cannot think of a single valid reason for why Jack would not want to see the baby.

Remember the original Dharma is gone. The "others" eliminated them. The question is, who are these new people? Are they a new iteriation of Dharma? They are not affiliated with Penny's people, obviously. What is their ultimate goal?

[jschild]

You didn't ask me but I'll throw in my 2 cents =P

I think Jack doesn't want to see the baby because something happened to Claire, and Jack in some way feels responsible.

It seems like this other group (the ship & helicopter ppl) are either with a group trying to stop Dharma, they are working for Dharma, or they are part of the original "others" in some way. So either Ben is still with Dharma or is an AWOL Dharma Scientist that's taking things into his own hands and they're trying to stop him. It's just getting more and more interesting! =)

Here's a way back thought, I've wondered about. So when the big explosion happened from that base they found in the hatch (when they didn't reset it b/c the computer was busted) and the electromagnetic charge went off that was so big the guys in the North / South Pole region recorded it, then called Desmond's girl friend . . . how did they (she) know what to look for to find him . . . a huge electromagnetic charge . . .huh ? There's something more to Desmond and/or his GF IMO.

We know Penny's dad is very rich and powerful. He gave Desmond the boat.
I think he is involved with Dharma in some way.

[Tikki]

I have to agree jschild, there are certainly more components than just a "B"

but i think a large part of WHY I like the show so much is the ability to speculate. I mean...there's few shows out there for me that offer that kind of brain pain. And I love it!!

xDDx- I always love your input :) I tend to agree with you that I wouldn't be surprised if he felt - in someway - the death of Claire (if she's dead) was his fault.


NOW...IF Desmond's visions are wrong, this opens a whole box. Perhaps there is a chance that Charlie survived!!! *crosses fingers* In any means, the post that was posted here with the long explanation mentioned something about future prediction and changing what's to come. Perhaps somehow, Desmond's vision (in a sequence of events leading up to it) changes? Who knows.

And we know Desmond's girlfriend's father is super rich (such as jschild said)...NOW, if her father was involved with Dharma, wouldn't he not want her to find him and the so called island? or perhaps it was a scheme so they could find it? Perhaps he knows Ben or is somehow tied to Ben's financial surplus. If Ben is out to bring Dharma down, perhaps Desmond's faux father-inlaw provided his daughter with the means to find him after the island lost communication with the outside world?


jschild- your icon picture thingy is becoming so popular on these boards...I read some many psots thinking it's you, and half way through my response I realize it's someone else...you started a craze...you crazy trend setter!

[jschild]

If he was responsible for Claire's death....and then wanted nothing to do with the baby....makes Jack a total axxhole. Jack isn't perfect but he's not that much of an ass I hope.

I don't think Desmond "sees" the future as the future. I think he "sees" the future as it has happened. The 2 rabbits with the same number in that video somewhat implies some variation on that.

We are pretty sure Dharma in some form still exists (just not on the island) because they are still getting drop offs of supplies (or are they......delayed drops..like the rocket showing up about an hour late). When Jack brings up the Red Sox winning....did the pilot think he was referring to the first or second? What year is it, how long has it been, according to those "others" from outside the island?

[spadron]

We know Penny's dad is very rich and powerful. He gave Desmond the boat.
I think he is involved with Dharma in some way.

Without a doubt, they have business connections at least.

Alvar Hanso used to be on the Widmore Construction board. Widmore also nearly merged with Paik Industries (Sun's father's company).

They also sponsered Henry Gales' balloon.

edit: Oh yeah and also.... the real world believe they found the plane at the bottom of the sea and there were no survivors. Now 6 people turn up and say they crashed landed on an island an 8 of them lived?

[jschild]

No....they specifically said (Jack, kate and the rest of the 6) that they survived the plane crash INTO the water, and made it to an island. They (for whatever reason) are pushing the myth that the plane in the water is the "real" plane.

Why the fake plane was placed in the first place, I don't know.

[xDarkDrifterx]

No....they specifically said (Jack, kate and the rest of the 6) that they survived the plane crash INTO the water, and made it to an island. They (for whatever reason) are pushing the myth that the plane in the water is the "real" plane.

BUT afterwards when kate was leaving out the back door of the courthouse she said something to the tune of "You said that so well, it's almost like you believe it yourself" . . . speaking to jack about how things went on the island . . . so yeah, I wonder why they're pushing that explanation. Must be to protect the ones left on the island, maybe the same reason Sayhid (sp) is killing people?

[jschild]

They don't want anyone to know about the island (the real one). They know how to go back I believe, while the new "others" do not (IE, why they asked hurley about it). Sayhid is taking out those new "others" - though whether its to protect Jake, Kate, Hurley, or the people still on the island, we don't know.

[Tikki]

hmm..i found this (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=46197&page=2)rather interesting.

it's a theories forum- so heads up :)

i thought them combining the fact that real time is completely different than island time to be very interesting....


ooh, and you know how Jack says that there were 8 that survived but only 6 that lived...what is the benefit of that? Why not just say only 6 survived? Perhaps one of the 2 dead survivors is the faux father of Kate's baby, perhaps Sawyer, who's still on the island. And are Walt and what's-his-face considered part of the 6?

[jschild]

Regarding that link Tikki...

Interesting, and to bring 1 point forward. They Oceanic 6 almost certainly are not rescued by the people on the freighter. Why?

Because they are still looking for the island. :)

[bearbehind]

Ooooooo Good thread!!!

So if the oceanic 6 is Kate, hurley, Sayed and Jack - does Ben count as one? He was afterall never on the flight...

Incidentally when they get home do you think Michael and Walt will reappear? or are they still on the island?

Oh - PS i beleive that the funeral last season was Bens :) Just a theory

[bearbehind]

Oh and PS- Maybe claire does die, or captured, etc and Jack could save her OR escape and chooses to abandon her and escape......

Maybe that why he really wants to go back after the funeral....

[xDarkDrifterx]

Now how cool was last night's episode? I'm liking the time displacement / parallel universe kind of idea . . . to take last night and put it with the episode where the media says they're all found dead on the plane and the pilot that they show (who doesn't have his wedding ring on) might actually be the same guy, just from an alternate reality where he isn't married - or maybe it's just a cover up . . . did they all die on the plane in one time but stayed alive in a different time due to the proximity to the island . . . hmmm . . . good stuff! :smile:

[jschild]

Where are you getting the Parallel universe thing from? AFAIK, nothing was mentioned about that last night.

The plane is a fake, pure and simple. Why? I have no idea.

[xDarkDrifterx]

Where are you getting the Parallel universe thing from? AFAIK, nothing was mentioned about that last night. The plane is a fake, pure and simple. Why? I have no idea.

Nothing was mentioned, and I mention this just pointing out about the plane at the bottom of the ocean. We are lead to believe that it is a fake plane and that the pilot is fake . . . but we don't know, you say pure and simple but we haven't seen anything yet to say the plane is a fake except for the survivors who know they are alive - but in what time or what plane of existence? Or is it just a weird thing to do with time. I guess only time will tell . . . wahhh wahhh (pun intended lol). Nothing has been said to verify that the plane is actually a fake - what if it is real - in a certain time - as is the survivors existing - in a certain time. The parallel universe thing is just a theory I have, that my wife and I were discussing as one of the possibilities along with the obvious thing we've been shown so far that points at a weird time displacement that the island may sit in the middle of.

[spadron]

Best. Episode. Ever.

I'm peaking.

[Euphoricsoul]

Nothing was mentioned, and I mention this just pointing out about the plane at the bottom of the ocean. We are lead to believe that it is a fake plane and that the pilot is fake . . . but we don't know, you say pure and simple but we haven't seen anything yet to say the plane is a fake except for the survivors who know they are alive - but in what time or what plane of existence? Or is it just a weird thing to do with time. I guess only time will tell . . . wahhh wahhh (pun intended lol). Nothing has been said to verify that the plane is actually a fake - what if it is real - in a certain time - as is the survivors existing - in a certain time. The parallel universe thing is just a theory I have, that my wife and I were discussing as one of the possibilities along with the obvious thing we've been shown so far that points at a weird time displacement that the island may sit in the middle of.

Frank Lapidus, the helo pilot that flew Sayid and Des back to the boat had called Oceanic prior to coming to the island to point out that his good friend who piloted flight 815 was married and that the pilot in the video footage from the submerged airplane did not have a wedding ring on. He was adamant that his buddy would have had his wedding ring on.

I believe that Oceanic airlines sank a plane to cover up the fact that 815 crash landed on the island. The only question is why they would cover it up. My guess is that they're intertwined with either Dharma or this other organization that is controlling the current expedition to the island.

Great episode last night though, probably my favorite thanks to Desmond being my favorite character from the show. :)

Interesting news on the Black Rock. Might want to check your DVR for the faces of those bidding on the journal. Do any of them look familiar (besides Penny's dad). I almost died when they said who the previous owner was!
The Black Rock set sail from Portsmouth, England March 22, 1845, purportedly on a trading mission to the Kingdom of Siam. The ship was believed to have been lost at sea. Seven years later, the journal of the ship's first mate was discovered among the artifacts of pirates on Île Sainte-Marie, an island off the coast of Madagascar. This journal was believed to be the only surviving remnant of the Black Rock's ill-fated final voyage. In 1996, the journal was sold at a Southfield's auction by Tovard Hanso, in lot #2342, for £380,000 to bidder #755, Charles Widmore.

Interesting to see that the freighter people are in as dire straits as those on the island. Something tells me that ship is going down...

I wonder if we got a glimpse at Ben's 'inside guy' on the freighter. Any theories?

[rottentomato]

Frank Lapidus, the helo pilot that flew Sayid and Des back to the boat had called Oceanic prior to coming to the island to point out that his good friend who piloted flight 815 was married and that the pilot in the video footage from the submerged airplane did not have a wedding ring on. He was adamant that his buddy would have had his wedding ring on.

I believe that Oceanic airlines sank a plane to cover up the fact that 815 crash landed on the island. The only question is why they would cover it up. My guess is that they're intertwined with either Dharma or this other organization that is controlling the current expedition to the island.

Great episode last night though, probably my favorite thanks to Desmond being my favorite character from the show. :)

Interesting news on the Black Rock. Might want to check your DVR for the faces of those bidding on the journal. Do any of them look familiar (besides Penny's dad). I almost died when they said who the previous owner was!


Interesting to see that the freighter people are in as dire straits as those on the island. Something tells me that ship is going down...

I wonder if we got a glimpse at Ben's 'inside guy' on the freighter. Any theories?



forget the fact that lot 2342 incorporates the numbers 23 and 42 from the series 4 8 15 16 23 42


just like oceanic 815, has 8 and 15 and a whole myriad of other occurances as well within the show like faraday setting his machine to 2.342

also desmond's regime did the morning routine in double time so 4 minutes instead of the traditional 8

the bid is sold for 380,000 or 15+23 = 38

the lost website before season 4 started had a clue in the game FIND 815, with the numbers 020 7946 0893
pennys phone number 7946 0893 and a region code for london is 020 which wasnt used in 1996, but was in 2004

season 3 episode 8 uses cheyne walk for widmore industries, where as penny lives on 423 cheyne walk

1996 and 2004 are 8 years apart ;) go figure

423 cheyne walk... 4 23 or 42 and 3

desmonds time lapse can be determined as a 15:1 ratio... 75:5 reduced

another bidder 887, which is prime...add the numbers 23

adding 775 to that 887 gives 1642 also the numbers

blah blah blah...yadda yadda....silly numbers :)

one more fun stab involving math

minkowski...yes the dead guy, has a theorem in geometry....called minkowski's constant... which is ironic because he was unable to find his...

ok im done

[xDarkDrifterx]

Frank Lapidus, the helo pilot that flew Sayid and Des back to the boat had called Oceanic prior to coming to the island to point out that his good friend who piloted flight 815 was married and that the pilot in the video footage from the submerged airplane did not have a wedding ring on. He was adamant that his buddy would have had his wedding ring on.

This is the reason I stated what I said about the alternate reality. You guys have to think about the fact that they keep pointing us in a direction and then changing that direction at the last minute to keep everyone thinking and on their toes (in terms of plot etc). What if . . .if . . . that was them on the bottom of the ocean, what if that is the real pilot . . . but in this reality he's not married. It's a bit out there and far fetched (I'm more apt to think that Dharma put the plane there to make the public believe that they're all dead instead of on the island) , but with what we've had thrown at us with this show, you never know.

And again, it's just one of many various theories about the show that I mull over a bit. :wink:

[Tikki]

Poor Desmond...I can only imagine how confused HE was...I've been watching for 3 seasons and I'm STILL confused.

I like your idea xDDx. Nothing is predictable, clear cut, and conclusion worthy in this show. The writers make it impossible NOT to create theories, but at the same time, it's impossible to create a theory that's correct the entire way through.

I have to say...I still think these 'others' are good...at least the ones that were recruited...I mean HOW cute is the little physics guy? I just want to put him in my pocket and just velocify with him!

This "time" travel thing is so interesting...How Desmond did and did not change the future...gah! my mind, it's going to implode and create a black hole.

[Euphoricsoul]

As far as I can tell, there are four entities at play here with regard to interest in the island:

1. The Dharma Initiative, led by Ben Linus
2. The original 'Others' (See Richard Alpert, whom a young Ben met and who never seems to age).
3. Penny's father who was at the auction for the journal of the Black Rock's first mate. (This would also explain the polar surveillance teams that detected the electromagnetic anomoly when Desmond used the fail safe and called her).
4. Oceanic airlines (They're obviously trying to hide the fact that their plane crashed into the island and have hired this new group of 'Others' to perform research on the island and capture Ben Linus for what he knows about it).

Am I missing anything?

[jschild]

One thing that is funny.

The calander on the boat is probably for the "others" to keep track of island time and NOT thier time. Time passes at a 15:1 ratio (as shown on the show, but not stated, the time difference is right around there).

That means the 90+ days they have been on the island is closer to 3.5-4 years in real time.

[rottentomato]

OMIGAWSH!!! michael is back!

[jschild]

We know who the 6 are, we know roughly how soon they get back, we know where michael is (next week is his episode), and we have confirmed who is running the freighter.

Lots of big things coming :)

[rottentomato]

im a super stoker....cant wait to see what else they bring to the table with Jin, and Sawyer, as well as the ever mysterious ben and locke evil camp of doom.