Outland "normal" 5mans dead?

[Pisken]

Wondering if its just on my server the regular 5 man runs are somehow dead , talking about all instancing up to 70 ones (Auch,Coilfang,HF ones).

Went terrible bored of leveling my priest in "world" and got a tip from a guildie that leveled his pally from 59-70 in only 5 man runs , hell i thought and specced disc/holy for maximum easyness in my main role as healer.

Now after trying to hit 65 for 3 or 4 evenings a row (i need only one damn UB run to finish Q and enuff exp for ding) it feels almoast impossible to pug my way to 70 , its just the BG dailys gives me 10k exp/day nowdays so its somehow slow :smile:

Is EVRYBODY stacking badges , running heroics/Kara , or is it just my server that is :sad: ....

and after looong consideration i decided to get back to the darkside with the priest and quest again ..... but i really enjoy the healing role (i got rogue+mage at 70 so i only saw the DPS side of wow so far) ..... or fast get up a Warrior as it seems that tanks often are needed :smile:

[moopy]

You'll find things pretty dead in outland below 70. There are plenty of people looking for rep to get to honoured, so they can start on the (now hilariously nerfed) heroics. Since you can do heroics in nothing but risqué underwear and a broad grin now, people don't have to gear up as hard in 5 man anymore- so the bulk of activity will be heroic. However, on the servers that I am used to, you still see a fair bit of activity in the "normals".

However, on the way to 70, your best bet is to quest quest quest. Even levelling my warrior, I couldn't find enough people to let me instance my way up :)

[Baboon]

I recently leveled my priest to 70. Besides ramparts, which everyone wants to do, I did all instances with guildie alts (and sometimes mains). One reason is there aren't many people in the LFG system, the other is among those in LFG, there are really a lot who don't have a clue about grouping/tanking etc.

[moopy]

What Baboon said. The LFG system is generally borderline scrapings, people who don't know about waiting for mobs to be on the tank, following kill order and the like. XP gain is going to be faster if you just spend a couple of hours questing in a level-appropriate zone, rather than wiping in an easy instance with a doofus parade.

[Pisken]

i guess ive been lucky with most of my pug's in instances then :smile: ... usually evryone does what tehy are supposed to ..

well , i just gonna ding 65 then back to shadow

[Twoflower]

i only level in instances, my warrior was always def specced after 58 and my priest is holy since lvl 58. DiDnt have muhc problems finding groups.

and moopy does overgeneralise as usual when it comes to PuG's. they are not that bad.

[Cerberus]

PuGs can be ok, but I usually check armory when I look for people for an heroic. I try to avoid random tanks as much as possible as you'll really get nowhere if you get a [/url=http://www.darklegacycomics.com/87.html]Donald[/url]. A random dps won't hurt your group in the same way, it will just be a bit slower. Make sure your healer is specced for healing and has heaing gear as well (you never know.. ).

For normal instances I just make sure people have some idea what their role will be, can write coherently and don't come from a guild with a misspelled name.

[teck21]

I think most heroics have been made so easy now that normals are almost dead, or so I hear from some of my guildies new to the game.

I also think the revered to normal requirement nerf is a bad idea. All one needs to do is the quests from each faction, run the normal 70 instance a couple of times to hit revered. It's really not hard at all. This has contributed to the difficulty of getting pugs for normals. Previously even alts from high end guilds might need to pug some normals to get to revered. Now they can go staright to heroics with their superior geared guildies thereby taking out a whole population of people who might otherwise need to pug normals to the detriment of people who don't have such an option.

So while I like to complain about them not gearing up on their own, I guess they do have a point about how hard it is to get a group for a normal.

So I encourage them to try their best to run some normals, get a feel for the instances, pick up a few pieces of gear and head for the easier heroics already.

Once they do that, things pick up alot faster. It's a bit like gearing up for pally tanking compared with a warrior. A warrior is practically there upon hitting 70 with the right spec, a paladin has to work alot harder to get to the same level, but once there, gear improving is just about equal to that of a prot warrior.

[thorleader]

I leveled 63-69 this past week in instances only. Basicly honored everywhere, and still a while to go. I'm specc'd shadow, but I can heal anything up to Crypts and can dps anywhere. It takes a while, specialy for a tank, but there is a group of people that I didn't know beforehand but met through lfg doing the same thing, so the group is at least 2 people not pugged. Thats all it takes to make it through.

[Aerath]

My Shaman has done every single outlands instance on her way to 70.

She's done most old world instances too.

[moopy]

i only level in instances, my warrior was always def specced after 58 and my priest is holy since lvl 58. DiDnt have muhc problems finding groups.

and moopy does overgeneralise as usual when it comes to PuG's. they are not that bad.

The vast majority of them are. It's usually ok to take one or two unknowns, but it's statistically likely that you're going to be in COPTAR hell. There are good PUGs, there are also honest politicians.

[Morollan]

Latest alt to 70 did most instances in Outlands on normal but it was hard to find groups as an enhancement shaman (lack of cc is often held against you). As soon as I hit 70 though I was looking in heroics and it's true that it is far easier to get a group for heroics than it is for normal.

[Justinledwards]

Groups are wiser I have found these days and are showing a lot more shaman <3

[LunarSolaris]

Moopy, I believe you're understating heroics a bit. I do agree that they are easier now - but that's largely because people have geared up from other raiding or PvP and can better tackle them now. The instances have been nerfed - but not excessively so.

And always remember, just because an instance is easy to you (generically stated to anyone) - it doesn't mean the instance is easy.

I think it more reflects that people are now very familiar with the encounters and mechanics of heroics and better know how to address them (and again, gear is improved). Some heroics can still be challenging. Some are quite easy.

But I digress from the original point... which I agree that it's not as easy to find "normal" instances anymore. It's the natural progression of the game. If you looked at "normal" instances in the old world at about 15 months after the game had been released (keep in mind we're about 15 months post TBC release now) - it wasn't the easiest thing to find runs though Scholomance or Strathholme, etc. More people were interested in hitting up raiding.

At least now there are heroics (which weren't available pre-TBC).

[Naolin]

It seems reasonable possible to find groups for normal instances below 70 (Ramparts etc) but once you hit 70 and wanna do Shadow Labs or any TK instance on normal it becomes hell to find a group. Heroics are easy to find though (depending a bit on your class etc but yeah)

[moopy]

Moopy, I believe you're understating heroics a bit. I do agree that they are easier now - but that's largely because people have geared up from other raiding or PvP and can better tackle them now. The instances have been nerfed - but not excessively so.

And always remember, just because an instance is easy to you (generically stated to anyone) - it doesn't mean the instance is easy.

I'm going to cry l2p. We zerg heroics with alts in blues and greens who have only just bought the key. It really isn't about gear, it's about having the basics down, like tanking the mobs, focus firing etc. Heroics are easy now. Initially, they were really challenging for a group in pre-raid gear, now they're easier for a pre-raid geared group than strat or DM were pre-TBC. The fact that the damage output of some mobs has been halved is a dead giveaway.

I really miss the thrill of a blue-geared group going up against the old heroics, where you actually needed crowd control, where the healer had to spam the tank like crazy, and the tank had to work like crazy to keep the mobs from eating the crazily-spamming healer.

Generally, the mechanics have also been blunted too, so that if you've done an encounter a couple of times in normal mode and are a reasonable player, the heroic mode is barely going to bother you. There are a couple of hotspots which give plain incompetent groups trouble (like the orc zerg in BF, or the fire boss in Mech), but it's amazing how badly-geared a group can be to clear heroics- assuming everyone knows how to use their class/role skills.

[bloog]

There's a number of people what got WoW for xmas present. They're 60 - 70 now, good chance normal underbog is their first instance at all. Well at least they play like it. On the other side my guild has come to 4 hour clears of Black Temple with 24. Right now I'm shunning normal outland instances.

[Twoflower]

There's a number of people what got WoW for xmas present. They're 60 - 70 now, good chance normal underbog is their first instance at all.

well, noone can help them :)

serious though, we all started sometime. i actualy prefer some newbie who listens and learns to someone who made the same mistakes for 3 years and keeps doing them because "it worked the last 3 years".

and moopy : i am realy happy that i am not on your server. Again, with my new priest, i did nothing but instances from 58 to 65 ( where i am now ). There was not even one group which didnt make it trough the instance or which i left because i didnt see the chances good. Of course all melees walk into the mines in blood furnance, but nothing worse ever happened. so far, from rmpards to crypt, it has been a cakewalk.

i love holy btw :D lvl 65 now, 850 +heal. if you want to see realy high numbers, play a healer ^^

[moopy]

and moopy : i am realy happy that i am not on your server. Again, with my new priest, i did nothing but instances from 58 to 65 ( where i am now ). There was not even one group which didnt make it trough the instance or which i left because i didnt see the chances good. Of course all melees walk into the mines in blood furnance, but nothing worse ever happened. so far, from rmpards to crypt, it has been a cakewalk.

i love holy btw :D lvl 65 now, 850 +heal. if you want to see realy high numbers, play a healer ^^

Yeah, it sucked a lot, flowers :)

However, I am not on "my" server any more, too- due to a massive and irritating guild implosion and very limited options for similarly-progressed guilds. Back pre-TBC, I loved instancing like crazy while levelling- my first toon was a healy priest, and she was largely levelled in instances, which is how I prefer to do things. Actually, I am just a sucker for instancing, and prefer it to pretty much any other activity in the game. Having levelled one toon almost completely in instances, and another almost completely in BGs (back when you got XP for BG token turnins), I have to say that I prefer either to questing.

[thorleader]

moopy, I'm on your boat here.
Bliz (to me it seems) made instancing the best/most fun way to reach the level cap