World of Warcraft: Version 1.9

[Badgertooth]

Hey IncGamers. A couple of friends and I are trying to circulate our petition.

It's about Pre-Burning Crusade WoW

Check it out and feel free to comment/sign it if you agree with us.

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/PreserveOldWoW

Already at six signatures! Hooray!

Thanks for viewing.

[Aerath]

Uninstall TBC. Don't use TBC gear.

Hey presto - old wow.

[piscene]

I don't get it. If you don't like TBC, just don't install it. Am I missing something?

[ahhdamm]

they don't like being beat by 70's lol

[Xlorep DarkHelm]

Blizzard reviewed the idea, and decided against having separate pre TBC servers. Basically, it would require them to keep two completely separate sets of code, which just doesn't work. So, yet again, the answer is no. And, yet again, there is a good, justifiable, and easily understood reason why. Yet again, someone decides to ignore it, and tries to go against the decision. This has been going on for, well, a year now. People need to get over themselves, suck it up, and move on with life.

Oh, and FYI -- 1.9 was not the version of WoW prior to TBC. I think it was 1.12.

[Badgertooth]

they don't like being beat by 70's lol

Nah mate, I have 3 70's myself. I'd link them up but the gear is nothing to brag about. My best character is a warlock with 4/5 Gladiator welfare epics and Veteran's Dreadweave Bracers. I'm a total scrub by any means.

But basically I know of a lot of people that would enjoy a pre-bc server. It's a pre-bc server...Because uninstalling BC would do nothing for me. I'd still be surrounded by everything after patch 1.9.

It would be really cool however to have the option of playing on a classic server or a BC server. Because a lot of people that play WoW agree that pre-BC was superior. Not saying that BC is bad, I just personally think that there is too much sugar and spice in between patches 2.0 and 2.3.

Read the petition and sign if you agree.

Thanks :D

Blizzard reviewed the idea, and decided against having separate pre TBC servers. Basically, it would require them to keep two completely separate sets of code, which just doesn't work. So, yet again, the answer is no. And, yet again, there is a good, justifiable, and easily understood reason why. Yet again, someone decides to ignore it, and tries to go against the decision. This has been going on for, well, a year now. People need to get over themselves, suck it up, and move on with life.

Oh, and FYI -- 1.9 was not the version of WoW prior to TBC. I think it was 1.12.

1.9 Included AQ. It was the latest patch of Pre-Burning Crusade. Sorry for double posting. But the fact is, Blizzard has honestly considered this idea many a time. And they have come quite close to doing this. I am hoping to be the last push over the hill by hopefully presenting a petition with many signatures. Possibly enough for an entire servers population.

Cheers.

[Xlorep DarkHelm]

1.9 Included AQ. It was the latest patch of Pre-Burning Crusade. Sorry for double posting. But the fact is, Blizzard has honestly considered this idea many a time. And they have come quite close to doing this. I am hoping to be the last push over the hill by hopefully presenting a petition with many signatures. Possibly enough for an entire servers population.

Cheers.

Wouldn't matter. Blizzard continually shoots it down, time and again, because of the major headache keeping two separate sets of code operational would bring. Do you understand, fundamentally, what it is you are asking? You want Blizzard to split WoW into quite literally two completely different games, requiring two completely different sets of people working on it. EVEN IF they do not release any new content, the headache of updating the pre-TBC code with the bug fixes etc. that have been implemented in TBC is a nightmare in and of itself. This is why it keeps getting shot down, and unless you have some magic wand to fix that problem, it will continue to get shot down. Online petitions are worth the paper they are printed on.

[Davemetalhead]

What was so great about pre-TBC ? People seem to be looking back at that time with rose-tinted glasses, forgetting the sheer grind involved in anything in those days.

How many times did you run Scholo, Strat or Dire Maul trying to get that piece of your dungeon armour ?

How long did it take to grind rep with the Argent Dawn, Cenarion Expedition, or even the Timbermaw Furbolgs ?

How long did it take to get the cash for your epic mount ?

What about the PvP grind ?

There is far, far, far more to do now at 70 than there ever was at 60. It was even worse if you weren't a raider or a PvP'er - once you had your dungeon gear at 60 that was pretty much the end of the game.

People remember the good times, and forget the bad. It's human nature, it's the way we're built.

[Ardani]

1.9 was not the latest patch of pre-Burning Crusade. As you say, it included AQ. Naxxramas was also released before BC, in 1.11, and the final 1.x patch was 1.12, as Xlorep stated. It included cross-realm battlegrounds and the world PvP objectives in Silithus and Eastern Plaguelands.

I'm slightly surprised that someone fighting so strongly for classic WoW remembers so little of the patch history for it.

[caldepen]

because of the major headache keeping two separate sets of code operational would bring

Not to play devils advocate too much but with the 20 or 30 million in revenue monthly I think they could manage this. That being said you can never go back my friends, you can never go back. Something will be different and it won't be the same.

[Aerath]

It included cross-realm battlegrounds and the world PvP objectives in Silithus and Eastern Plaguelands.


I can fully imagine people wanting to go back to the old Realm BGs though.
Much more fun beating someone you know.

[Morollan]

I can fully imagine people wanting to go back to the old Realm BGs though.
Much more fun beating someone you know.

Yeah, if you could hang around a few hours in the queue first.

This 'Classic' WoW idea has been brought up many, many times on the official servers and has been shot down, by Blizzard, every single time. They have not 'come quite close' to doing it as the OP states, nor will they. It's not going to happen unless you get >5m people on that petition. And even then, probably not.

[Ardani]

I can fully imagine people wanting to go back to the old Realm BGs though.
Much more fun beating someone you know.

True, and I imagine a classic realm, if it were ever developed (not that I expect nor want to see it), would need to be made an exemption from cross-realm BGs anyway, since it would be operating under a different ruleset from the other realms. I loved realm BGs, Morollan's got a point about the queues though. Pre-1.12 I was on a PvE server with a heavy faction imbalance, trying to get anything started wasn't fun.

[Maticus]

I imagine the Classic WoW Server idea is a bit like wanting to go back in time IRL. It all seems very idealistic, but the reality of back then doesn't live up to the memory. Don't get me wrong, I've quite often thought that I'd like to see a classic server, but I think I'd miss a lot of things I've come to enjoy post-TBC.

I think the reason I myself would like to see a classic server, is because I never got to do all the end game content, the game moved on before I could "complete it" so to speak. But if I did manage to go back, clear Nax a few times until I was in the best gear, there wouldn't be a lot to do after that. The current way WoW is, that never happens. The best players are just getting to the point where they have everything, and Blizzard expands the game again.

Basically, it's a nice idea, I think a lot of people would like to see it happen, but I don't think it would stand the test of time. However, setting up a "Classic" server purely for trial accounts might work. I mean, no one's going to grind past 60 on a trial account are they? There's also the added bonus of gold spammers being confined there :P You could chose to stay there after the trial, or move to a proper server.

[Morollan]

However, setting up a "Classic" server purely for trial accounts might work. I mean, no one's going to grind past 60 on a trial account are they? There's also the added bonus of gold spammers being confined there :P You could chose to stay there after the trial, or move to a proper server.

Now that's a good idea!

[xDarkDrifterx]

However, setting up a "Classic" server purely for trial accounts might work. I mean, no one's going to grind past 60 on a trial account are they?

So this trial account never expires? I mean, you think people should be able to level ALL the way to 60 for free . . . on a trial account . . . that's only 10 from the cap . . . so not only do they still need to have two separate games but the other one should be free? This is basically what you're saying here IMO.

[Aerath]

Yeah, if you could hang around a few hours in the queue first.

This 'Classic' WoW idea has been brought up many, many times on the official servers and has been shot down, by Blizzard, every single time. They have not 'come quite close' to doing it as the OP states, nor will they. It's not going to happen unless you get >5m people on that petition. And even then, probably not.

Can't say anything bout that - my realm has always has had queues under 5 minutes, except at gawd awful times.

[jschild]

Anyone who wants the Old Battlegrounds (IE, no Battlegroups) is insane.

Anyone who wants the original Honor system (didn't have to be good as much as have hours upon hours of free time) is insane.

Anyone who wants the old world rep grind (agian, less skill than hundreds of hours of free time) is insane.

Anyone who wants to raid for weeks on end for the small chance of a drop is insane.

You want to know why WoW has 10 million people?

SImple, it doesn't horribly punish players for having real lives outside of WoW. Because that is what the OP is begging for - a game where only those with hours to spend each and every day could have a decent shot at any gear.

I personally think Blizz is on the right track by offering more and more ways to do well in the game. Chaotic life but can instance when you have the time = Badge gear.

PvP all the time = Arena

PvP/PvE = BG gear

Rep Gear, Raid Gear, Badge Gear, BG Gear, Arena gear, Crafted Gear.....

I personally like the choices that blizz has for us now.

[Xlorep DarkHelm]

Can't say anything bout that - my realm has always has had queues under 5 minutes, except at gawd awful times.

On my battlegroup, Alliance AV is 10 - 14 minute queues typically. Horde is less than a minute, usually within 3 - 5 seconds of queuing, sometimes less. For the others, the queues are typically shorter for Alliance, since not as many Alliance are doing them, and the Horde's are a little longer, since there's more Horde doing non AV battlegrounds.

[jschild]

You don't know pain until you've waited 2 hours for an AV to pop..and its a premade.

[mesonm]

But basically I know of a lot of people that would enjoy a pre-bc server.

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Because a lot of people that play WoW agree that pre-BC was superior.


Define "a lot".....Unfortunately, I claim that you can't [personally] name 100 people so inclined. If the 100 includes more than 20% from your guild, that doesn't count, IMO.

If there isn't a much higher (25k?) verifiable number of long term subscribers that want this and are going to continuously and fully populate the vintage server(s), blizz will ignore you.

[jschild]

Woot...26 people signed with a goal of 5000.

I'm sure Blizz will set up a server for 0.0000026% of its population.

[Morollan]

Can't say anything bout that - my realm has always has had queues under 5 minutes, except at gawd awful times.

My realm typically had queues of roughly 30 mins for WSG and AB and 2-4 hours for AV prior to the advent of cross-realm BG's. As I can typically only play for 2-4 hours at a time I very rarely managed to get into an AV and never managed to finish one.

With the new(er) system, queues are generally 3-4 minutes for WSG, AB and EotS, reducing to <1 min for the BG with the daily quest or holiday weekend, and 15-30 minutes for AV in busy times, 45-60 mins off peak.

[det]

People play Classic Diablo and classic Diablo 2. If you want classic WoW, by all means....go and sign his petition.

What's it to you if the idea gets shot down by Blizzard or not? Why try and dissuade the guy. Let him have his hobbyhorse....

[moopy]

Please leave the dead horse alone, it's starting to smell, and you're upsetting the flies.

[Aerath]

People play Classic Diablo and classic Diablo 2. If you want classic WoW, by all means....go and sign his petition.

What's it to you if the idea gets shot down by Blizzard or not? Why try and dissuade the guy. Let him have his hobbyhorse....

Offline, yes. Which is a wee bit of a difference.

[Maticus]

So this trial account never expires? I mean, you think people should be able to level ALL the way to 60 for free . . . on a trial account . . . that's only 10 from the cap . . . so not only do they still need to have two separate games but the other one should be free? This is basically what you're saying here IMO.

No, not at all. The trial accounts would work the same as they do now. They would all just have to take place on this server. And at the end of the trial period, they could chose to stay on that server, which is "Classic", ie. no Outland, no TBC gear, level 60 cap etc. This server would also be available for existing players to make new characters on, to help friends or whatever, or if they just wanted to play on a classic server.

[jschild]

It's a waste of money to even have 1 server put towards this.

Up to 27 sigs i see. Only 99,973 more sigs to get to 1% of WoW population.