No Rated "G" Guilds?

[oldnavydude]

Two comments: first, Rated "G" Guilds are few/far between, if any really exist AND finding a rated "G" (or any specific type guild) is nigh impossible.

I've been struggling in this area for the 3 years I've played WoW. I am a hardcore casual (ie. addicted but I can't raid regularly), but I am also an older professional, conservative type (u know, Boy Scouts, church, little leage, whole bit) who plays with my teenage/nonteenage kids.

In the 3 years I've played WoW, I have NEVER found a PUG or Raiding guild (I have joined dozens I'd guess) that didn't regualry use some or all of the following in chat/vent: profanity, racism, vulagarity, dope/alcohol, etc. No one moderates, most just LoL or keep quiet. To complain is seen as drama. I could list examples but I'm sure the censors would explode.

We mock Barrens chat (ur momma! Chuck Norris! yada, yada) but Guid chat/vent is 100 times worse.

I am beginning to think that there aren't there ANY family friendly, rated G (even PG-13) guilds out there (I am currenly leveling Horde on Frostmane having retired my ally on Nerzhul). Yeah, I read about the homeschool guild (btw, my family homeschools!) in WoWinsider, but they r on a different realm, and they seem to be the exception.

I'm not a prude, but I want a guild that both I and my kids can join/play with. I can handle occassional vent cursing slip up(with requisite, "whoops") but routine Fbombs, no thx. I can handle sexual references/innuendos, but not explicit or prolonged discussions. "I had a hot date last nite.." "Yeah, with ur mom, ..." Yuk, yuk .. that's ok - expanding on that and getting into gory details - pfffft. I luv a glass of wine or beer with my meals, but bragging about MTanking while downing a bottle of vodka, not cool. Any racial or drug references, nonstarter.

Second point - I've used numerous sources to "search" for a Rated G guild, from Guildcafe, WOW's Guild Forum, etc. and all are either lacking guild entries or sorely lacking search tools to parse the numerous guilds. I can find detailed lists of Realm Guilds with PVE progression status with guild links, but none have guild descriptions (ie. hard core, lvl 70 raiders only, casual, family friendly, etc.). Guild cafe probably has the best layout and guild descriptions/keywords, but it has like 6 guilds listed on Frostmane. I've scrolled thru every page on the WoW GUild recruitment page, looking for (H) and Frostmane (WOWs search engine really sux, searching for these two key words turns up nothing!), painful process, but no joy.

Anyway, thx for listening, look forward to ur thoughts/comments/suggestions.

[Xlorep DarkHelm]

The game is rated T, not EO (G equivalent) -- just nitpicking ;). That said, if a guild can't have certain standards for decency within it, I usually find myself and that guild parting ways fast. And I tend to think nothing of it.

The guild I'm in is very friendly, and we don't tolerate profanity, racism, vulgarity, dope/alcohol, etc. There is simply no tolerance, and I will personally boot anyone who does not heed my one and only warning.

the best way to find a guild actually has standards for conduct, would not be to use those so-called guild search sites.... but to do investigation for them in your server. poke around, see how random members of a certain guild act, make your judgments that way. All of those 'net sources can be faked too easily, people can present an advertising face for them, but internally be quite different. Feeling around and seeing how the members all interact while on the outside... that tend to work the best for me.

[Xanaver]

First off i want to start out saying im glad to hear you do productive things with your life besides play a game. But i would like to state that the game is rated T and on the box it states (Ratings mat change durring online play.) This is generally saying there is going to be things you may or may not like hearing. Part of me wants to say to you if you do not like hearing the things you do in game then you should go play Hello Kitty Island Adventures. The other understands the frustration that comes from some people in this game. But you need to realize with a game that is Rated "Teen" and has over 10 million players Your going to get that typical "Teen" Attitude And if you think back to the days you were a kid im sure there are some things you did or said you would not want to mention in front of your children.

[oldnavydude]

I think the T rating refers to game content not personal interactions. Guild chat/vent seems to always degrade to the lowest common denominator. Maybe it's the anonymity that brings out the vulgar side in peeps?

With 10 million users you would think that there would be a good cross section of society represented. If that's true, then a significant portion would be represented by G/PG/PG-13 crowd. Maybe the WoW crowd or culture is just more "adult" oriented?

Re: advice to join/ckout guilds on the server to find one that is family friendly, that's what I have done, and to date I have been sorely disapointed.

[corga]

My guild has a no profanity policy, if you want come to stormscale :)

[Xlorep DarkHelm]

Honestly, when I am guildless, I don't actually actively seek out a new guild. I just remain guildless for a bit. When I pug for instances, or am in a BG, or just help someone out when I can, people pick up on that... they see I'm guildless, and may actually invite me to their guild. I sort of decide based on the first impression that person gave me, as to what quality of people may be in that guild. If I am uncertain at all, I'll pass off the invitation and not join that guild. Otherwise, I'll join, but watch and be wary. I have no problem with going guildless for months and months. I don't need a guild to boost my ego, or to do what I like in the game even. The guild is a nicety for me, not a necessity.

Unfortunately, there are a *lot* of people who are crude who play this game, and I do think the anonymity has a lot to do with it. I also believe that the larger the population in any given location, the higher the percentage of those people will be crude... because of a "safety in numbers" rule -- if someone is crude and gets kicked out of a guild, that person has enough others to pick from without it really bothering that person. There is very little motivation for these people to want to be considerate... and it seems to be an infectious thing to boot...

Unfortunately, patience is key. Another possibility is to make your own guild, and then begin hand picking people who you'd want it it to join.

[oldnavydude]

Thx for the offer, but my sons and I are well on our way to getting our Horde toons to 70 on Frostmane :-(

You and Xlorep sound like mature/seasoned Guild Leaders, I just wish more GLs had ur standards/back bone.

[irogue]

The game is rated T, not EO (G equivalent) -- just nitpicking ;). That said, if a guild can't have certain standards for decency within it, I usually find myself and that guild parting ways fast. And I tend to think nothing of it.

The guild I'm in is very friendly, and we don't tolerate profanity, racism, vulgarity, dope/alcohol, etc. There is simply no tolerance, and I will personally boot anyone who does not heed my one and only warning.

the best way to find a guild actually has standards for conduct, would not be to use those so-called guild search sites.... but to do investigation for them in your server. poke around, see how random members of a certain guild act, make your judgments that way. All of those 'net sources can be faked too easily, people can present an advertising face for them, but internally be quite different. Feeling around and seeing how the members all interact while on the outside... that tend to work the best for me.

I totally agree with Xlorep and I find guilds that allow profanity, racism, vulgarity, dope/alcohol... won't last very long.

Could you just make yourself a guild? You can set up the rules and all that. It might take a while to establish a raid guild but I believe lots of ppl are looking for a "clean" and respectable guild as you suggested.

:smiley:

[Xlorep DarkHelm]

Honestly, I've not been a guild leader in years. I keep getting into the position of a senior officer, however. And, I just don't have time for inconsiderate people making my time I play WoW be cheapened and ruined by their obnoxiousness.

[Valor Angirin]

Unfortunately, patience is key. Another possibility is to make your own guild, and then begin hand picking people who you'd want it it to join.


You took the words right out of my mouth =D

[oldnavydude]

Xlorep, you have spoken the truth, and your words bring light to the unenlighted.

Hey, how's that for RP?

Just joking (RP freaks me out), but you have definitely captured my own attitude wrt guilds.

I'm sure there are mature (mature in the nonjerk sense, not in the anything goes sense, did that make sense?) guilds out there, but the fact that we all agree that they are few and far between says something. If you find one, count yourself extremely lucky.

[Xlorep DarkHelm]

It is definitely not an easy prospect to find them. Thre are times I just think it might be easier to make my own guild and hand-select people.... except I suck at recruitment. The current guild I'm in has an open door policy.... people can just freely join, but if they cause problems at all, and refuse to change, they are also just as quickly booted. Surprisingly, this results in a pretty good selection of "core" members that actually all help each other and have fun, and the guild becomes somewhat known in little circles as having friendly and considerate members.

(even if I occasionally log onto my Horde characters and attack my Alliance guildmates when they are doing world pvp somewhere...)

[elsegundo]

even if you make your own guild, there's a lot of work required for upkeep. i think its a good start, and it might grow to be one of the preferred "G" rated guilds in your server. perhaps. you'll never know unless you try.

good luck to you. i dont really know how it is but i do have friends that have children playing. one guy in my server plays with his daughter of 14. its funny how they interact and i always watch my language when the daughter is on. but i dont know how they do it.

this also goes into areas of whether you think its a good idea to let your kids be exposed to certain things, but warning them beforehand that these "bad" things do exist, and that people do them all the time, and it doesnt make it "OK" for them to do it. etc. im a dad but my daughter's only 6 months. i'll come to the point one day where i'll realize i cannot protect my child from everything, and that she needs to understand whats good and whats bad, and to decide whether she needs to join in or not.

good luck on your search. i cant recommend one on my server since mine does not seem to be "G" rated at all. we talk about getting drunk and blazed a lot.

[oldnavydude]

Two accounts same server, one horde other ally? I can see where that would be really sweet. Besides messing with ur opposite faction guildmates, you could get up to lotsa no good LoL.

I was being greifed by an ally yesterday, and I fantasized about have an ally account just soz I could log in to find him everyday and then get on my horde to make him pay. But then I remembered I'm a carebear and logged my alt for a while :-P

My sons and I share two accounts, each with main/alts, but we are same faction.

[Xlorep DarkHelm]

See, to me, the presence or lack of children should not force you to "curb" yourself. But rather, the desire to treat everyone with consideration and respect should. Maybe it's the old Army soldier ground into me, but there's just a certain level of ethics I have in what I say or do. It matters little to me whether or not others can "find out who I am" or what have you. I know when I do something I shouldn't have done, even if nobody else does. And I take personal responsibility for what I say and do.

Being mature does not mean "anything goes". Being mature also implies a level of responsibility for your actions (Rather than your parents being responsible for them), and as such, I would think people would strive to be considerate, civil, and well, decent. Our words and actions define how others perceive us. And the perception I have, the impression I get when people are crude, insulting, and talking constantly about sex, alcohol, drugs, etc is not that of adults... it is more like teenagers trying to talk about what otherwise would be "taboo" to talk about. It is a very immature, and irresponsible position in my view.

[Ilianis]

my guild is on a RP server, and i have not seen one foul word out of their mouths apart from the odd 'crap'. I have been in 3 different guilds and they have all been like that. Also, its not a roleplaying guild. Just the normal friendly kind. Join Earthen Ring!

[Xlorep DarkHelm]

Two accounts same server, one horde other ally? I can see where that would be really sweet. Besides messing with ur opposite faction guildmates, you could get up to lotsa no good LoL.

I was being greifed by an ally yesterday, and I fantasized about have an ally account just soz I could log in to find him everyday and then get on my horde to make him pay. But then I remembered I'm a carebear and logged my alt for a while :-P

My sons and I share two accounts, each with main/alts, but we are same faction.


Actually, I play on a Normal server. I can make both Horde and Ally characters. The "only one faction" thing is exclusive to PvP & RP/PvP servers. As I explain in another lengthy thread, the PvP servers are unappealing to me.