A cure to the gold selling problem.

[savier]

Now i'm sure your all aware of the current problem that blizzard have with gold sellers and i have an idea. Maybe its been suggested before but who cares.
Why dont Blizzard just sell gold?
They could sell codes on their website and pre paid cards in shops just like the game cards but for amounts of gold.
This way blizzard can undercut the gold selelrs, (as they dont have to grind the gold) and they will make more money to improve the game. I have thought about it for a while and i really dont see an issue. Ok you could say that somepeople who make more money than others will spend a ton of cash on gold, but who cares if they do? Its their hard earned money they can spend it on what ever they want. I work full time and i struggle to find time to enjoy WoW. But at the moment all i do when i get spare time is grind gold so i can buy a flying mount so i can GO to Kara. It's ridiculous. And if you want an epic mount ..well dont even go there. I love Wow and i have great fun on there, but grinding gold is like being at work and thats just not fun.
I dont want people to think that this is just a rant about farming gold, which it kind of turned out to be, so i apologise for that. But the initial idea is a strong one i think.
Look forward to your thoughts.
Tim.

[PlayThemAll]

I think the main reason is that they want to keep the field as fair as possible. RIght now everyone is equal in game as far as how much gold thay start with etc. How much you get is based on time spent and skill.

Those that could afford to dump RL cash into buying gold would destroy the economy for those that wont'/can't spend RL monery for it. We already see this on some items

Personally, even if they allowed it, I couldn't see myself spending my hard earned cash on virtual items. My sub fee is enough.

Most things in the game are pretty easy to get now, gold being one of them. You just have to be a little smart about it and not waste it on non-essential items.

[Khab]

I still think decreasing the rarity of items and lowering the prices of mounts would go a long way towards stopping people from buying gold. Do I need to buy gold if the sword I want is 100G. Probably not, but if that same sword is 1,999G due to how rare it is that's s different story.

I have quite a bit of gold right now @ level 70 but not nearly enough to blow it on an epic mount or some purple item that is way, way overpriced.

I know blizzard says they don't like gold farmers but I wonder how much money they make in subs from these people.

[savier]

It would be interesting to know.
You say it's fair how everyone starts out, i would disagree. Having 2 lvl 70's gold is readily available to me, maybe not in large amounts but if i start a new character i can send them 100g. Thats would be considered unfair to other lvl 1 charcters. You just go into the early battlegrounds and ask how many genuine lvl 10 -19 players are having fun taking on the super twinks. I bet there wont be many. Give them a gift voucher forr 200g for there birthday and i bet it would become more fun for them. no?

[Twoflower]

it is a question of principles.

they dont want gold or items to be sold for real world money. not by gold sellers, not by themselfs. It is a gameworld which has nothing to do with the real world. If you want success ingame, you have to work for it ingame.

that s the basic idea, and that s what they try to enforce.

as in real world, there are always cheapos who try to cheat. But you have to fight them, not change the system. You dont make murder legal instead of putting murderers to prison just cause it would be easier...

and khab : mount cost is a important gold sink. you need those to fight a huge inflation in gold value. just as repairs, skill learning cost etc... and if you increase drop chances of rare items, they wouldnt be rare any more, would they ?

[savier]

'they dont want gold or items to be sold for real world money. not by gold sellers, not by themselfs. It is a gameworld which has nothing to do with the real world.'

8.95 a month anyone???
In that case once you buy the game it should be free, on those terms surely?

[Twoflower]

'they dont want gold or items to be sold for real world money. not by gold sellers, not by themselfs. It is a gameworld which has nothing to do with the real world.'

8.95 a month anyone???
In that case once you buy the game it should be free, on those terms surely?

oh dont mix up things on purpouse. it does not help a discussion.

[PlayThemAll]

It would be interesting to know.
You say it's fair how everyone starts out, i would disagree. Having 2 lvl 70's gold is readily available to me, maybe not in large amounts but if i start a new character i can send them 100g. Thats would be considered unfair to other lvl 1 charcters. You just go into the early battlegrounds and ask how many genuine lvl 10 -19 players are having fun taking on the super twinks. I bet there wont be many. Give them a gift voucher forr 200g for there birthday and i bet it would become more fun for them. no?

Depends on your definition of fair. When those L70's atarted out they had nothing. Any level one has the ability to level up to 70 and do the same thing, there are no other external monetary restrictions on that as long as you can pay your fee.

I had a L19 twink at one time that had made over 2K gold on their own (no main on the server) just by palying the AH. Is that fair to other L19's that arent as motivated?

You will always have the situation where high level toons send money to lever leval alts. I don't see that as unfair as long as the 70's earned it via game mechanics an not via a gold seller.

There is very little in the game that you "need" to purchase to play, a lot of which depends on class. I don't see any problem with transfering money between guild members, alts, etc as long as it was accauired in ernest within the game. I only see it as unfair when it was purchased from a goldseller with RL funds.

[savier]

Ok, ok. What i am trying to say is you guys are talking about the 'ideal world' in Wow when the real world is infact people do buy gold and cheat the system with it.
What i am suggesting is that by selling gold themselves, Blizzard would find it easier to police somthing they have complete control over.
They could even limit the amount of gold you could buy per month. That way it keeps the economy in the balance and still gives people the option if they so desire.

[PlayThemAll]

it is a question of principles.

they dont want gold or items to be sold for real world money. not by gold sellers, not by themselfs. It is a gameworld which has nothing to do with the real world. If you want success ingame, you have to work for it ingame.

that s the basic idea, and that s what they try to enforce.

as in real world, there are always cheapos who try to cheat. But you have to fight them, not change the system. You dont make murder legal instead of putting murderers to prison just cause it would be easier...

and khab : mount cost is a important gold sink. you need those to fight a huge inflation in gold value. just as repairs, skill learning cost etc... and if you increase drop chances of rare items, they wouldnt be rare any more, would they ?

This. :thumbsup:

[savier]

I understand that they 'dont want' people to buy gold and items with real money, but again when it comes down it, people are doing this.
I completely understand that blizzard would rather the issue did not exist but it does.
If blizzard dont know how to stop it completely then they need to try and get control of it. By introducing a gold service themselves at a far cheaper price i would think it would do alot more to solve the problem than their current methods.
Hell you could by 2000g with 30 badges of justice. Now thats an idea.

[Twoflower]

I understand that they 'dont want' people to buy gold and items with real money, but again when it comes down it, people are doing this.


blizz does not want ppl to buy gold because it is against the rules of the game. ppl still do it because people are lazy.

it s like laws in real life, people break them. but you have to enforce them anyway.

seriously, did you even read what i wrote in my last post ? you wrote 3 posts in this thread, suggesting in all 3 that blizzard should sell gold themself. and nothing else. your posts tell me that you just want to buy gold and seek a legitimisation...

[savier]

Yes i read them, And you keep stating that no one wants gold sellers. But clearly some people do even if they are lazy, cheaters or whatever. They still have accounts and if blizz can monitor as much as they lead us to belive, they must be able to see it happening and ban said accounts.

[PlayThemAll]

I think you're missing the point. If blizzard sold gold it would effectively (maybe) remove gold sellers from the game but it would not solve the in-game problems that gold sollers create. In fact it would make the issues worse because more people would do it.

The struggle for gear and gold are core parts of the game, remove that and the game ceases to be what it is.

If you want to buy some that bad go do it and enjoy your ban.

Edit:
Yes i read them, And you keep stating that no one wants gold sellers. But clearly some people do even if they are lazy, cheaters or whatever. They still have accounts and if blizz can monitor as much as they lead us to belive, they must be able to see it happening and ban said accounts.

They might not catch everyone but they DO ban people for buying gold.

[savier]

I understand the grind for gear, and there is nothing more rewarding. Trust me i know.

In all honesty, i just want them to lower the price of flying mounts, so i can get my 3rd key fragment and start kara.
Ok forget the gold selling, just let locks summon in netherstorm and i'll stfu.

[PlayThemAll]

I did a few days of quests and got mine. At around 11G a quest @70 it adds up fast.

Epic takes a lot longet but you don't really need that one, it more of a luxury.

[savier]

Yeah i know.
Ah well i've wasted enough grinding time. Thanks people, it's been ..emotional.
For the Alliance!!

[caldepen]

I don't want Blizzard to sell gold...

[mesonm]

I did a few days of quests and got mine. At around 11G a quest @70 it adds up fast.

Epic takes a lot longet but you don't really need that one, it more of a luxury.

Yup...

With 40 mins of quests and an hour mining, I make more than 200g....and none of that takes into account playing the AH to make twice that, much faster.

Money is quite easy to make....

[elsegundo]

how much would blizzard have to sell its gold for in order for gold sellers to not make money selling gold? i do not think this will solve the problem if goldfarms are able to compete. i mean if they're selling the same thing, the one who sells it cheaper will usually get the sale, and thats not always going to be blizzard. and if they sell gold for low enough, then people will be able to buy more gold overall, flood the market with their riches, and soon you'll see things going for outrageous prices simply because people can now afford all that.

in the end i think it will destroy the game economy if blizzard does sell gold.

[Twoflower]

I understand the grind for gear, and there is nothing more rewarding. Trust me i know.

In all honesty, i just want them to lower the price of flying mounts, so i can get my 3rd key fragment and start kara.
Ok forget the gold selling, just let locks summon in netherstorm and i'll stfu.

summining in netherstorm will be possible in 2.4

summoning into instances will be possible with 2.4

from questing from 60 to 70, you get around 1.5 - 2k gold. If you cannot buy the normal flying mount at 70, you have been wasting gold left and right.

the game needs money sinks. otherwise a single herb will soon cost 11298374618923746 gold in the AH.

gold selling is still wrong :) you say hat there are people who do it. yes. so are people who are breaking the law. There are always people who think they are better than the rest and can do as they want. They will get their pnishment sooner or later. Always.

[jschild]

The normal flying mount is EASILY obtainable.

The epic flying mount is not, nor should it be.

Done nothing but normal quest for 2 days (maybe 4-5 hours played) plus 2 dailys (but on one day). I made well over 200 gold just doing that. No grinding. Just selling greens and whites I don't need on the AH.

[wyren]

Another problem with gold sales is that once virtual property has a fixed real workd exchange rate it can and will be taxed. that would suck for everyone.

[corga]

I dont want this to be like other games that ruin it by selling items. its retarted

[bearbehind]

Perhaps Blizzard could restrict the way the funds are delivered.

A maximum daily amount of G could be sent to any one player. This amount could scale depending on Lvl so a lvl 70 could receive a hell of a lot more G than a lvl 10. this would make it extremely difficult for sellers because one single donation would now mean many more.

And the AH could also be adapted so an upper level could be placed on items so you couldn't put a linen cloth on for 2G (for example)

I know you can't stop em... but you can make it alot more work for them.

[tabstercat]

Now i'm sure your all aware of the current problem that blizzard have with gold sellers and i have an idea. Maybe its been suggested before but who cares.
Why dont Blizzard just sell gold?
They could sell codes on their website and pre paid cards in shops just like the game cards but for amounts of gold.
This way blizzard can undercut the gold selelrs, (as they dont have to grind the gold) and they will make more money to improve the game. I have thought about it for a while and i really dont see an issue. Ok you could say that somepeople who make more money than others will spend a ton of cash on gold, but who cares if they do? Its their hard earned money they can spend it on what ever they want. I work full time and i struggle to find time to enjoy WoW. But at the moment all i do when i get spare time is grind gold so i can buy a flying mount so i can GO to Kara. It's ridiculous. And if you want an epic mount ..well dont even go there. I love Wow and i have great fun on there, but grinding gold is like being at work and thats just not fun.
I dont want people to think that this is just a rant about farming gold, which it kind of turned out to be, so i apologise for that. But the initial idea is a strong one i think.
Look forward to your thoughts.
Tim.



Problem with this is spoilt brats with LOADS of cash are going to be able to have tons of gold and not even have to work for it! you could make a top gear twink without going to the AH or going farming..completely unfair if that happens

[YamahaGuy]

Buying gold is dumb to begin with. Theres so many ways to make money in this game, its not even funny.

I've won greed roles on JC designs I've sold from 300-500g. I get greens from instances or dailies, dischant them once a week or so and sell the matts. I get gold for doing those dailies. Then professions, I watch what the herb market is lacking and balance when to sell my herbs or what flasks I can make profit of. Sometimes herbing you gotta kill a spider, and you get a silk worth 6g. Round up and kill some more spiders for fun and get a few more silk and take off. Who knows.

Doing simple things I make about 1K gold a week. I call it "bake sale" since its so many different things sold or made.

OFC raiding 5 nights a week a good chunk of that is spent on repairs and consumables I cant / dont have the matts ready to make. But I have my epic flyer already. I also pay guildies when I ask for temporary respecs (tanks, healers, etc)

I hate quests, I do like 2 dailies a day usually. Or over a weekend I'll do all the SSO ones since theres nothing else going on anyway. I run kara on offnights with people and make money >.<