View Full Version : What do you think, am I a ganker?
dagee
06-03-2008, 09:07 PM
I have never liked gankers but, being on a very populated server I have always had to put up with them. Recently, I started leveling a warlock. Currently he is in STV. I have two accounts (since my son and I play together at times) and this alt is on my second account. What I do now, is I have my level 70 rogue, while stealthed, follow my lock around and if someone goes to gank me I pop out and gank them. To clarify, I alway let them hit my lock first to make sure that there intention was to actually gank. If they are able to kill my lock, I camp them. If my rogue kills them before my lock dies then I let them go on their merry way after they have rezzed. Yesterday alone, in the 2 hours that I was in STV I was jumped at over 15 times by various people. I will be honest I don't differentiate between between the fair world pvp and unfair. Meaning if I get jumped I kill first look at level second - if I take the time to anaylize the fairness of the situation I will probably die.
I have to admit, I really enjoy this. So what do you think, am I a ganker?
elsegundo
06-03-2008, 09:10 PM
yes you are. and why does it matter?
you can be anything you want to be in WoW, ganker included. does it make you any less of a player? hell no. i dont see the issue here.
clevins
06-03-2008, 09:31 PM
mmmm not really. They attack first after all. But you're baiting them in a way by being stealthed. You could simply follow unstealthed which would be a deterrent to some but give up an advantage that you have.
The only issue I have is with the camping which verges into the being an ass territory. It's one thing to kill them esp if they attack first. Camping them is a jerk move.
mesonm
06-03-2008, 10:14 PM
Yes.....
Do you care?
odinsnephew
06-03-2008, 10:20 PM
Yes you are and no you are not.
Enjoy!
Dhoum
07-03-2008, 12:32 PM
Yes you are ... epic failure.
Fight people your own level, anything else is weaksauce.
moopy
07-03-2008, 12:36 PM
I can think of a word which rhymes, at any rate :)
Aerath
07-03-2008, 12:37 PM
No.
If you have to ask, you're not.
Sooo....let's say the situation is this: You have some trouble questing somewhere, as you constantly get attacked and sometimes killed. You ask a higher lv guildmate to be your bodyguard.
What is the difference?
Somebody attacks you, a higher lv helps you. You don't corpse camp. Hell..you don't even bait them to attack you, because you quest in an area of your level !!!!! But as Clevins suggests, you could unstealth. Which might ...on the other hand... make you a cheap kill for..say..a warrior as you give up the PvP advantage of your 70 against another 70..but that is kinda theorycrafting.
Baiting to attack is flagged low levels outside Shattrath on a PvE server.
xDarkDrifterx
07-03-2008, 03:42 PM
No, with that scenario, you're NOT a ganker. YOU are being attacked first, that negates the "Gank" 100%, the fact that you have a 70 to retaliate doesn't mean anything IMO, you're retaliating, not attacking unprovoked.
I don't understand why people are saying that yes you are, you're striking back with a higher level (instead of just fighting them on your lock which would make things fair) but that doesn't make it ganking IMO.
You're not on your rogue going around from quest spot to quest spot or hanging around in the road waiting to kill the next lowbie that passes.
__________
Ganking:
"Ganking" is the term used to describe getting killed by another player without having much of a chance to fight back or escape. This usually occurs in the context of being overpowered by several enemy players, by a player of a significantly higher level, or while in a vulnerable state such as being low on health or while fighting a monster. On your career in a PvP realm, ganking will be a common occurrence, particularly while leveling.
Source (http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/basics/survivingpvp.html)
IMO, you can't "gank" if you're fighting back or being protected.
GameyHarp
07-03-2008, 03:46 PM
I honestly hate when people can't pvp with someone there level. Your going to need to learn how to eventually why not start now? Unless the person is like 5+ levels above you then its justified.
Clavina
07-03-2008, 03:46 PM
A more important question is "why do you care?"
You say you enjoy it so go do it....
PlayThemAll
07-03-2008, 03:56 PM
If you are just protecting an alt - No.
If camping - yes.
If using the alt to bait just so you can kill them - Yes.
If they make the first move, they are volunteering for PvP and therefore need to realize that someone else may jump in and assist their target.
I've jump many people in the game and on many occasions have had the tables turned by an unseen bodyguard or unexpected passerby. That's what makes PvP exciting.
Super Sneaky Steve
07-03-2008, 04:26 PM
If you are just protecting an alt - No.
If camping - yes.
If using the alt to bait just so you can kill them - Yes.
If they make the first move, they are volunteering for PvP and therefore need to realize that someone else may jump in and assist their target.
I've jump many people in the game and on many occasions have had the tables turned by an unseen bodyguard or unexpected passerby. That's what makes PvP exciting.
+1
But if you are using your rogue to kill guys who are the same level as your loc then you're just a big fat wuss.:grin:
odinsnephew
07-03-2008, 04:30 PM
Kill them and move on ffs ;)
+1
But if you are using your rogue to kill guys who are the same level as your loc then you're just a big fat wuss.:grin:
It is STV! Ganklethorn Vale! Quests for players from level 30 to lv 45 (if you count the lowest and highest lv mob). Okay, so less ZG action means less lv 60+ passing through, but honestly^^ Are you going to check out on any player who jumps you like.. "Uh..he is only 2 levels above me, so I may not get my rogue involved?"
Sod it! They attacked you, they pay.
Why did you care again what we think?
Nucflash
07-03-2008, 07:09 PM
No, you're not a ganker in my opinion. You are smart and simply protecting your interest. If I had two accounts, I would do the same thing. Instead, what I do is keep my 70 Hunter in the same area in which I'm questing on my alt (ex. both in STV) If I get ganked, you can bet that I will hunt down the ganker and have a little payback.
dagee
07-03-2008, 11:42 PM
The question has been asked, "Why do you care?" Meaning who cares if I am a ganker or not. If I am having a good time then what is the problem. The fact is, I don't subscribe to the idea just because something is allowed in the game (meaning not violating game rules) that it is ok. My issue with gankers is that they force their play style on me. My thought was, when I started having my high level follow in stealth, was to turn the tables on the gankers - show them that when you are the gankee it really is not fun.
What is funny is though, I have had several level 70's gank my low level warlock and the second my rogue appears they take off (don't even try to fight back). I find this funny because in all honesty I am just an ok pvper. I would think anyone who pvp's on even a casual basis would be at least as good as I. So the fact is if they did not run away there is a good chance they could take me.
Back to my reasoning for what I have been doing. I guess it comes down to that whole idea of reflecting upon those times when I have tried questing in an area but have been unable to because of constant ganking. If you take the day that I described in my original post, who knows how few of the quests I would have been able to complete. 15 separate attacks on my warlock. How many of those would have camped me or at least took me out multiple times had my rogue not been there? With the presence of my rogue I complete 8 quests would I have completed any had the rogue not been there? I don't know. I could giving up on the area in frustration.
Again though, I do agree that I am baiting the gankers to some degree and thus in some sense can be seen as a ganker; hense my original question.
The game allows - as you say - many things. As long as they are legal, there is nothing wrong with doing them. The moment you feel something is not okay for you, you are making a personal decison on that.
Everybody sets different values and has different reasons for it. That is why the thread about world PvP is so long and heated.
elsegundo
08-03-2008, 12:56 AM
just play your game the way you see fit. even if people call you a ganker, in the end it doesnt really matter. and if you're not? does it matter? are you enjoying your time? if you are, that's great! if you feel guilty about it, then stop it. or unstealth your rogue. haha.
but lots of people who see you will view you as a free kill, whether or not they'll get honor is irrelevant. this is one reason as to why they'd run away when you unstealth on your rogue.
i sure as hell would do this if i get the chance. or at least, do this if i feel the need to. dont worry too much about the moral aspect of this. you can be as immoral or amoral as you want in this game.
clevins
08-03-2008, 02:38 AM
What is funny is though, I have had several level 70's gank my low level warlock and the second my rogue appears they take off (don't even try to fight back). I find this funny because in all honesty I am just an ok pvper. I would think anyone who pvp's on even a casual basis would be at least as good as I. So the fact is if they did not run away there is a good chance they could take me.
Gankers are bullies and bullies are cowards. The people who habitually gank lowbies talk a big game, but rarely back it up esp with any class.
Back to my reasoning for what I have been doing. I guess it comes down to that whole idea of reflecting upon those times when I have tried questing in an area but have been unable to because of constant ganking. If you take the day that I described in my original post, who knows how few of the quests I would have been able to complete. 15 separate attacks on my warlock. How many of those would have camped me or at least took me out multiple times had my rogue not been there? With the presence of my rogue I complete 8 quests would I have completed any had the rogue not been there? I don't know. I could giving up on the area in frustration.
Again though, I do agree that I am baiting the gankers to some degree and thus in some sense can be seen as a ganker; hense my original question.
:) it's not ganking, it's poetic justice...
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