BT resist gear?

[YamahaGuy]

I see for upcoming boss in black temple (and heard something about trash) that you need the crafted shadow resistance gear.

Do you honestly need a full 365 resistance cap, with all crafted items for every member who plans to raid? Or are 3-4 things with a green here and there acceptable?

How to get SO MANY hearts of darkness? If their anything like vortex drops, this will take 10 years. If every single raiding member needs a full crafted set.... oh my

[Navhead]

Try to get atleast 300 buffed SR with greens if needed, lower than that and the healing gets more and more intense. There's also the Flask of Chromatic Wonder that adds 35 resistance. Make the cloak, boots and bracers for everyone, then have people put 20SR from Lower City on some old helm and buy SR rings and you should be set.

There's no resistances needed on the trash, but your mana users can and should use the same SR gear on Anetheron, Kaz'rogal and Azgalor. The hearts drop very often btw, and you should need only 100-130 of them to make enough gear. You can always farm the Mother trash or Hyjal waves for them if needed.

[Twoflower]

no need for trash.

big need for mother.

you dont want greens in your raid. get the epic recipies. craft all of them except the pants, which take 3 hearts each. With the rest of the stuff crafted, the BT amu and the proper enchants you come up to 300 resi which is enugh.

yes, farmin hearts takes some weeks. but till you have hyjal cleared and BT cleared up to mother, you will have alot of trash farmin ahead of you.

do not go for green resi items. you want to reach 300 resi on EVERY player with as little pieces as possible. 4 + BT amu maximum. You want normal pots, not resi pots, since the fight will be hard enugh as it is. Healers will have a severely crippeled manareg and manapool, every second the fight lasts the wipe becomes more and more inevitable.

[Navhead]

Well it's not exactly a hard fight, the greens and resi flasks will only prolong it slightly. Which is still of course risky, but it's better than farming trash for weeks just to get enough hearts for all the epic pieces. Think it took us 7 tries max to kill her the first time, with everyone wearing pretty much what I described earlier and many people using the resi flasks.

Guess it'll depend on how fast you progress in BT as to what kind of gear you'll be able to craft for that encounter.

[moopy]

I see for upcoming boss in black temple (and heard something about trash) that you need the crafted shadow resistance gear.

Do you honestly need a full 365 resistance cap, with all crafted items for every member who plans to raid? Or are 3-4 things with a green here and there acceptable?

For Mother Sharhraz (sp?), you need to be at the cap, after buffs. Factor in prayer of shadow protections and druid buff. You need to be able to get to the cap without fail for the whole raid. However, it's not that bad- the BT craftables are very good- you augment the cloak with a major shadow prot enchant. You can also use a spare head item with the lower city enchant on it- this will allow you to drop one of the smaller craftables. Also, don't forget that you get a shadow resist neck for attuning to BT. I don't wear the full shackled souls set for this fight, as I have +10 SR racial, and the lower city enchant on the ZA mail healing helm. I sure as hell don't take a resistance flask- that would just be stupid. You want as much healing power and DPS as possible. Dead boss does no damage. Every raid member should be smart enough to optimise their gear to hit the cap buffed while maximising their performance.

The raid doesn't need to worry about resist gear until this boss. You'll get plenty of hearts of darkness from BT and MH meantime. Mother is sufficiently far into BT that you'll not be facing her the first week. You'll have downed Bloodboil before taking her on, which is non-trivial.

If you're up to Mother in BT, you shouldn't be wearing greens. Period. This isn't Karazhan, you need to have a raid performing well. She's not a hard boss at all, if everyone's resist gear is up to snuff. WRT resist pots, you can drop a cauldron and have everyone drink a pot just before the pull, which gives you a slight buffer at the start, and means that healers can start potting early- which they might well need to do, as they will be gimped by resist gear. For the love of Bob and all his kittens, don't try and use greens though. It's false economy- it will make what should be a really easy fight into a total wipefest. Phase one of this fight is getting your gear made. Have your people start farming the metric assloads of primal shadow that they'll need when you down Kael'Thas. This will give them loads of time to be ready. Meantime, don't let people use hearts of darkness for crafting misc gear from the plans that drop in BT and MH, keep them just for resist gear until you have this covered for all your raiders.

Oh, and have fun- when you get that far into BT, it's kinda cool :)

[YamahaGuy]

Well thank you much.

I did find the whole recipe lists on the item sites. The thing is, if you understood how long we skipped hydross simply because TANKS didnt have their resist gear finished, you would know why I am worried about FORTY raiders =/

Sure M.S. is far away right now but if we get the guild talking about it NOW I hope hope hope we don't get stuck in that position.

[moopy]

Don't sweat it, it will be fine- honestly. As I said above, have them start farming for shadow gear when you down Kael'Thas. If your raiders are dedicated and organised enough to do this (it's a surprisingly complex fight, but totally doable, don't worry), they should be easily motivated enough to farm the shadows at that point. Having cleared both the t5 endbosses shows a certain level of determination :) Hell, I am the world's worst farmer, and I got all my shadow gear farmed up (bar the hearts, of course) in two or three evenings.

It's not as if they won't have plenty of time, either. You can easily down Kael, and then got to MH to drop rage, and kill your first three BT bosses (Najentus, Supremus, Akama) on the first visit, sure. However, it will take a little longer to get past Bloodboil and Reliquary of Souls. Much heart-dropping trash will die before you avail yourself of the shadowy charms of MS :)

[Aerath]

Talk your guild's engineers. They can easily farm 20 Primal Shadows in a couple days by just flying around SMV.

In guild trade/sale etc should easily get started by them. Have everyone donate 10 primal shadows to the guild bank for the crafted cloaks etc.

No donation, no cloak, no mother for you.

You can get your herbalists to donate 10 primal lifes instead.

Since the cloak requires two of each, it'll give you a bit of leeway.

[coani]

Primal Shadow:
Netherstorm. Around Manaforge..whatever, far east near the ethereals base.
lots of void mobs, good droprate. I farmed a *ton* there on my hunter just flying in a loop around the Manaforge & chainslaughtering the voids.

If you really are worried about hearts, check AH or other guilds that have the content on farm and see if you can buy cheap from them... We cut a deal with one guild to take a few of their alts on Kael/Vashj kills to attune them in trade for a lot of hearts.

[YamahaGuy]

I cant seem to get to cap without the crafted legs. Am I missing something? Someone said "except the legs..." right? Hmm

40 Cape
40 Bracers
54 Belt
54 Boots
40 Medallion of Karabor
20 Helm Glyph
15 Blue Cape Enchant
70 Prayer of Shadow Protection

333 Shadow Resist Total

[corga]

Druid buff?

[Note]

Druid + priest buff don't stack unfortunately. Here's some additional options which may help you:

+8 SR patch for gloves (leatherworking)
+7 patch to shoulders (Violet Eye rep)
+10 draenai racial
+4 gem, Void Sphere (enchanting, but check prices on the AH first)
shield available in Heroic Mana Tombs gives +22 SR
rings and cloaks available from Consortium cage mobs can give +19 SR and useful stats, but have an annoyingly low drop rate - since you get the keys for doing dailies and they are not soulbound, I do get a couple buddies who want different stats and give it a shot every once in a while

I'm a draenai and have 3 pc crafted, necklace, an old helm with +20 SR and 2 void spheres, glove patch, shoulder patch on a spare pair of shoulders. If I weren't a draenai, I'd probably leave my regular shoulders on and try to score a green SR ring, or better yet the consortium SR ring. (The consortium ring would be an upgrade even now - good reason to keep at it!)

We're working on RoS and are maybe 2/3ish done getting people into 365 SR gear. Most of our healers are long since done, the DPS is doing well, and the tanks, as you say, haven't done much. We had a couple week recruiting break where I think we managed a couple nights of T6 content but not a full schedule, that may be all you need to make a huge heart shortage into a moderate heart shortage.

[kodeeak]

i use the cape with the greater resist chant, belt, boots, wrists, bt neck, and a +30 ring i found on the ah for 10g. Plus undead has a passive racial which I think is +10. That's pretty much where my whole guild sits in terms of unbuffed sr and we have no issues with mother.

[Shellar]

Post-nerf, I tend to slack a bit and go to Mother with only 340 SR buffed.

[moopy]

Have everyone donate 10 primal shadows to the guild bank for the crafted cloaks etc.

Hmm, 10 isn't going to go very far at all. Check your numbers. Ten covers the cloak+enchant, that's all. Given that different people will have their own ideas and needs for various bits, by far the simplest and most efficient way to do it is to supply the HoDs (and maybe the crystals) from the guild bank, and the players supply other mats themselves. The actual mats each person will need varies wildly, depending on which other gear they're teaming it with, racials etc. Remind people about rings, or that they can use their old t4 helm with a glyph of shadow warding etc. There are loads of options.

There's no call for crying, anyone can farm the shadow, including healers and tanks. Did it myself. Respec for a couple of days, and just get on with it. It doesn't need amazing gear, just a little time. If it's too hard for someone, they really have no place expecting to join a progression raid to Black Temple, which is a time-sucking pastime, and requires actual effort far in excess of this little bit of farming. Progression raids take a lot more willpower than just nuking a few voidies :)

Shellar,

People who are still learning should probably not slack- certainly not while the attraction debuff is still a novelty, and they are at the "ooh, pretty lights" stage, rather than running away.

[coani]

I myself splurged about 1000g on buying hearts from another guild, just to finish my set real quick, not like I couldn't afford it anyway.

[Aerath]

Hmm, 10 isn't going to go very far at all. Check your numbers. Ten covers the cloak+enchant, that's all. Given that different people will have their own ideas and needs for various bits, by far the simplest and most efficient way to do it is to supply the HoDs (and maybe the crystals) from the guild bank, and the players supply other mats themselves. The actual mats each person will need varies wildly, depending on which other gear they're teaming it with, racials etc. Remind people about rings, or that they can use their old t4 helm with a glyph of shadow warding etc. There are loads of options.

There's no call for crying, anyone can farm the shadow, including healers and tanks. Did it myself. Respec for a couple of days, and just get on with it. It doesn't need amazing gear, just a little time. If it's too hard for someone, they really have no place expecting to join a progression raid to Black Temple, which is a time-sucking pastime, and requires actual effort far in excess of this little bit of farming. Progression raids take a lot more willpower than just nuking a few voidies :)

Shellar,

People who are still learning should probably not slack- certainly not while the attraction debuff is still a novelty, and they are at the "ooh, pretty lights" stage, rather than running away.

Note I never mentioned any enchants - people can sort that stuff out themselves.

[Twoflower]

Talk your guild's engineers. They can easily farm 20 Primal Shadows in a couple days by just flying around SMV.

In guild trade/sale etc should easily get started by them. Have everyone donate 10 primal shadows to the guild bank for the crafted cloaks etc.

No donation, no cloak, no mother for you.

You can get your herbalists to donate 10 primal lifes instead.

Since the cloak requires two of each, it'll give you a bit of leeway.

everyone has to farm the mats himself. no mats = no gear = no mother.

Post-nerf, I tend to slack a bit and go to Mother with only 340 SR buffed.

we never had over 300 buffed.

Primal Shadow:
Netherstorm. Around Manaforge..whatever, far east near the ethereals base.
lots of void mobs, good droprate. I farmed a *ton* there on my hunter just flying in a loop around the Manaforge & chainslaughtering the voids.


exactly. they drop like crazy and the motes drop even faster.

[Ash Housewares]

load up on SR gear, and then you will immediately get fatal attraction along with a huntard and he will kill you

just so you're prepared

(I have 333)

[YamahaGuy]

Hmm, 10 isn't going to go very far at all. Check your numbers. Ten covers the cloak+enchant, that's all. Given that different people will have their own ideas and needs for various bits, by far the simplest and most efficient way to do it is to supply the HoDs (and maybe the crystals) from the guild bank, and the players supply other mats themselves.

Well no 10 isnt enough per person

but a minimum of ten at least forces the slackers to put in on the deal.

Our guild has both; some have been farming on their freetime since I said it and already turned in 30 primals; others havnt done anything yet. I imagine most guilds have both types of peeps

Honestly I'd rather help out the heal types who dont have alts since killing things is a big harder than others but we shall see.

Guild bank also has about 5K in it... it just sits there. Buying some of the matts might not be a bad investment.

[moopy]

Honestly I'd rather help out the heal types who dont have alts since killing things is a big harder than others but we shall see.

Sorry, but total stinkin' crapola :-) I am a "heal type". I don't use my alt to farm- I respec my main and do it. Any healing class can do this. The mobs you need to kill to farm shadow are easily killed by a feral, boomkin druid/shammy, shadow priest or enhancement shammy.

People expect you to do all the hard work of logistics, preparing tactics. The least they can do is farm their own primals. People who can't manage to do this.. well, how do they have flasks, pots, foods and oils ready for raids? Gold buying?


Guild supplies the HoDs, and maybe the crystals. You supply the rest. You're going to one of the later bosses in black fricken' temple, not deadmines. Start farming once you have Vashj and Kael down, and you'll have a few weeks to do it. I did it in 2-3 evenings- with a main who is a healer- and I am the world's worst farmer. Anyone who does worse than that is just being a slack-ass mofo, and shouldn't be allowed to do that.

"You are NOT PREPARED"


Sorry YG, will get off my soapbox now. However, I raid as a healer (I can give you an armory link if you wanna see- in case you're not convinced), I just can't wear all this QQing though. A respec between raids, some music on, and a good strong cup of tea, and the farming's done, People without enough backbone to do this probably don't have enough backbone to even get to the fight- so time to stop tolerating it, if you don't want to do what a lot of guilds do- drop Vashj and Kael, kill the first 3-4 bosses in BT (and 4/5 MH) and then fall apart because the rest is actually mildly challenging and execution-critical. The fights aren't rocket surgery, but they depend on people doing the right thing- no ifs, no buts, or there's a wipe. It's a similar mindset. No more excuses :)

[moopy]

Delete me pl0x

[YamahaGuy]

Well, were 5/9 right now, though bloodboil isnt always perfect yet and gorefiends down once

However, were looking to start manufacturing the resist sets with the massive ammount of matts we've been gathering in the g-bank.

Heres a problem =(

When we go to Mount Hyjal or Black Temple for the evening, we get 2-3 hearts a trip. We did 4 hyjal bosses tuesday and got 3. We did 3 BT bosses last night and got 2. Pretty exciting for us, more income than usual...

Right now, we have about 110 hearts. Weve been hording them since we got our first one, not using for DPS gear or other craftables.

We still have RoS yes, but I wanted the resist gear done by the time RoS is down. That doesnt look feasible at this point. Even if it was a few weeks, our heart situation doesnt get any better.

Theres only 1-2 guilds on our server that doesnt need the hearts and isnt hording them. The average AH price of a heart on our server is 1200g. We've got about 20K, but..... that only buys us like 10 hearts or so, and doesnt fix the problem.

We've tried trading other guilds for gems; doesnt work too well since you can buy gems with badges. When trading, people want (1200g lol) worth of gems, so we could have just AH'ed them anyway

My worry is, were gonna be progression stopped for a good while getting the other... 100? hearts.

[Aerath]

Question, did you get your healers (at least) the shadow res cloak yet ? As they help a lot in earlier MH fights.

You don't need to make the pants either. That cuts out another couple of hearts per person.

Furthermore, you only need 24 people kitted up. Possibly 22 if you don't want to outkit the off-tanks either.

24 * 5 = 120. So, plenty of hearts assuming people have the cloak already. Cloaks only need 1, so that's still within sight. We've personally found Teron trash to drop quite a bunch of them, as does Akama trash.

I do think you'll be stuck farming for a while though - we struck a deal for it with another guild, but I doubt you can pull that one off from the sound of your server's situation.

[YamahaGuy]

There seems to be some debate as to whats actually required; from what I've heard most is skip the bracers but do everything else? I am unsure.

Yes, almost all with raider status have a cape now, we got that done a bit ago, all enchanted 10 resist (15 resist for all capes was rediculous.)

The two lead guilds on our server are stuck on Brute for over a month. Its taking a huge toll on our economy. Anything that makes flasks, haste pots, drums or other necessary items are through the roof. Like netherbloom.... 60g per stack during weekdays. >.< This affects hearts too, as they are the ones who no longer need them, but the prices are gouged badly because theres 4-5 guilds working on resist gear.

So a heart = huge $$$

[coani]

ugh... Hearts are going for 300-350g on my server, 1200 sounds really excessive.
Like Aerath said, start out by getting people cloaks, everybody should have (I hope?) the necklace, and then make bracers (only 1 heart each). after that, belt/boots. People can also start looking for SR gear to fill up (green or blue drops).

amulet = 40 sr
cloak = 40+15 sr (enchant) - 1 hod
bracer = 40 sr - 1 hod
sr priest buff = 70
-> 135 sr -> 205 sr
belt = 54 - 2 hod
-> 189 -> 259 sr
boot = 54+8 (lw armor kit) - 2 hod
-> 251 -> 321 sr

random sr helm with +20 sr enchant can help nicely with maxing out sr at that point.
Just don't forget about the lw 8sr armor kit, and the 2 sr20 helm/cloak enchanting recipes... and the +70 from priest buff. 295 is the cap you need on the gear itself.
With 110 HoDs, you can afford to use 4 per player, which is enough for cloak+bracer+boot (for sr armor kit), which can get you to 202 on gear including amulet.
that leaves you only 93 short of the cap, which should be enough to start wiping ;)

[YamahaGuy]

Well, isnt cap resist against a 73 RB 365 resist?

295 on the gear would do it, but those gears are not adding up to 295...

40 Amulet
50 Cloak (10 enchant) - 1H
40 Crafted Bracer - 1H
70 Prayer of Shadow Protection
54 Belt - 2H
62 Boot (8 from leathworking kit) 2H
20 Helm Glyph on old hat

336 Resist

[Aerath]

Random +stamina protection rings are a decent choice.
Shadow Reflectors (engineering) can work.
t2 helm (10) with +20 sr can work.

On top of that, you do not need to sit at the cap. 300 minimum buffed is required, but the rest is just a bonus.

Don't forget Flasks of Chromatic Wonder - +15stats and +35 resists (they stack w/ Priest buff).

I'm a firm believer that +8sr kits on those pieces are a waste of space. You're far better off with +heal or +stamina or something similar. Especially healers will struggle already and making their lives easier with a bit more regen or output is useful.

//edit: About the t2 helms. Onyxia has been 1manned and duo'ed. I'd suggest sending in groups of 5 as it makes things a lot easier and you can spread the loot out better. Going in with 25 people for 2-3 helms is a bit silly.

[coani]

YG: I never said that my list would get you to 365, but that it would leave you at 93 short of the cap.
Raw unenchanted stats for amulet+cloak+bracer+boot = 174 for 4 HoDs. add belt -> 228sr at 6 HoDs (298sr with priest buff).
That leaves you 67 short of the 295sr to reach 365 buffed sr.
How you get those 67 points are completely up to each player... enchants, armor kits, random items, drops, crafted stuff... there are many ways.

Ae: the SR kits might be a waste, think it mostly just depends on how you put your resist gear together along with your needs of your class/spec/rest of gear. But it's better to throw it out there to remind people of the available options :)

Ony T2 helms: if you want to use those, you can maximize the gains from the ony raids by taking 1 player of each class per raid to try to ensure that no helm drop goes to a waste.

[Cerberus]

We skipped the legs because they're the most expensive in terms of HoDs. Used a flask of chromatic wonder, SR armor kit on the boots and even boiled bloodfin (8 SR food buff). Have to admit the actual fight was the biggest anti-climax ever after having hoarded HoDs since we started tier 6 content. Pulled her too far on the first two goes and got her on the third.

We skip the fish and flask now and run with whatever those three pieces, a armor kit and priest buff puts you at. How good you are at running away from eachother will mean a lot more than -/+ 50 SR.

[Twoflower]

you only need 300+ when buffed.

skip the legs cause they cost most hearts.

anyone who is too cheap to enchant 15 shadowresi on his cloak would not get a raidspot if i were raidleader.

anyone who couldnt farm 15 primal shadow in a week would not get a raid spot if i were raidleader.

anyone who got into the guild after the BT prequest was removed and does not have the amulet would not get a raid spot if i were raidleader.

[Aerath]

anyone who got into the guild after the BT prequest was removed and does not have the amulet would not get a raid spot if i were raidleader.

Nearly right - there's a Jewelcrafting alternative. If they farmed up the mats for that one, it's not a big hit.

[Clavina]

In our guild we have been going through the same gearing up recently. By my calculations you can get shadow resist capped with 6 HoDs. As a tank it's slightly easier as you get an extra item and an extra +5 resistance enchant to go on it.

The most popular way to go for us has been to get:
Belt - 54
Bracers - 40
Boots - 54
Neck - 40
Cloak (+enchant) - 55
Head Enchant - 20
Flask - 35
Shadow Prot buff - 70
Total resistance - 368
Total hearts - 6

Personally I went for:
Belt - 54
Bracers - 40
Boots - 54
Neck - 40
Cloak (+enchant) - 50 - (Too cheap to raid according to twoflower but meh :P)
Shield (+enchant) - 27
Flask - 35
Shadow Prot buff - 70
Total Resistance - 370
Total Hearts - 6

I could even drop the resistance enchant on the shield but it's part of my fire res gear as well so I'll live with being 5 over the cap.

As for the amount of hearts you have YG, theres not much you can do except farm farm farm and more farm. It does seem like quite a low amount, I know we have been very lucky with them and usually end up with at least 5-10 per MH run.