Which Tier AV WSG and AB is best for beginners?

[elsegundo]

just wanna know if there's a tier that's acually better for beginners than others.

i hear a lot about 19 twinks, so im guessing that's not the best tier to enter.

so... 19, 29, 39, 49, 59?

my purpose is mainly to get a pvp weapon for level 70, and get enough marks for each of the three bg's to get the level 60 land mount.

im going to do this on a server where im not a twink, and i'll probably buy most of my gear from the AH.

[Aerath]

29 is fine.

There's some twinks, but it's not nearly as bad as 19.

You could even the odds a bit by doing some instances and getting decent gear from there. Then add a few lowby enchants (stuff like +5 stamina or so is cheap enough) and you'll be competitive as is. Fiery weapon runs for a few gold as well and will help you level faster when you decide to go as well.

However... things vary from battlegroup to battlegroup. If *your* side has a lot of twinks and the other side doesn't , it makes getting marks that much easier. And don't forget to check for the daily BG quest @ Battlemasters in major cities. They're worth a fair bit of experience, money and some honour.

If you're after a PvP *weapon* you'll have to be doing BGs @ 60-69 or 70. Most of those (if not all) require EotS marks.

As a hint - check your Battlegroup forums for "20-29 twinks!" threads or something similar. That'll give you an idea. If the 20-29 isn't getting started or nowhere in sight and the 40-49 one is on its 5th full thread... Well, yea.

[elsegundo]

awesome! im thinking 19 is bad, as is 59 since i am guessing there's a load of outland gear that seem to be level 58 and 59 wearable.

and you're right, i think a lot of the level 70 gear requires EoTS marks, so i'll have to farm those when i get there. but otherwise, greens and maybe some blues for either the 29, 39, or 49 tiers would work. i kinda just thought about that and figured that the 59's will have too much good stuff. i may be mistaken.

i'll have to look at the official forums now i guess... *sigh*
its not that bad is it? i've been there once to check on a problem logging in, but thats my only experience with the official forums.

[Aerath]

awesome! im thinking 19 is bad, as is 59 since i am guessing there's a load of outland gear that seem to be level 58 and 59 wearable.

and you're right, i think a lot of the level 70 gear requires EoTS marks, so i'll have to farm those when i get there. but otherwise, greens and maybe some blues for either the 29, 39, or 49 tiers would work. i kinda just thought about that and figured that the 59's will have too much good stuff. i may be mistaken.

i'll have to look at the official forums now i guess... *sigh*
its not that bad is it? i've been there once to check on a problem logging in, but thats my only experience with the official forums.

Well... *you* can buy all those outlands greens too ;)
I did with my li'l gnome.

And the official forums can be bad. Lots of whining. Some of it is already and occasionally you find what you're looking for.

[elsegundo]

true.... very true!

well now im thinking of aiming for the 39 bracket because, i already have a druid in the works, and well, most classes dont have speed buffs. this will help in those capture the flag scenarios. but... how often will people even be interest in capping a flag? i keep hearing that people just stand around and try to get honor kills instead of capping a flag to win the match. well i'll try the 39 out.

is there anything i'll need to know about this bracket?
should i look out for + stamina gear primarily?
does the spider belt (frees you from immobolizations) share the same cooldown as the Insignia of the Horde/Alliance trinket?
and does the Swift boots increase run speed when in travel/cat form too? same question for swiftness potions.

sorry lotsa questions now that i just decided on a bracket. lol

[Deathinmotion]

The lvl 30-39 bracket is actually a good idea. more people are usually focused on grinding and getting their mounts so i havent seen much in the way of twinks though like Aerath said, that might be something to check out. Plus ive noticed that there are not as many people playing bgs during that lvl range (at least on the NA RpPvp servers). 40-49 i noticed was really agressive and went both ways so thats a good bracket if your interested in some heavy duty fighting. Ive never played on any other type of server than an rppvp so im not sure what the others are like bg wise.

[elsegundo]

awesomeness! thanks Deathinmotion.

im trying to find the right bracket that's not too popular. i've never done bg's before and so im thinking of doing the "easier" brackets first. once i get the hang of it, i'll probably make some permanent twinks on various brackets. but for right now, im really just aiming on learning the whole bg thing, get a feel for all the maps, get the tokens/honor i need for the mount, and then split.

my toon will actually be horde on ravenholdt, which is an rppvp server.

[Deathinmotion]

Then I guess ill see ya sometime, my char is horde on lightninghoof. i hope you like it and that it helps you get a good feel for the bgs. learning the basics (bgs arnt really that hard at all) is a breeze, but if you want to be an expert you just gotta play and observe. theres really not much to it except to either figure out what needs to be covered and protected or what they are leaving open, or who they have on flag and weather to go tunnel or ramp to get it. watch out for turtles though, or the long drawn out bgs where both sides are defending. the only thing you get out of those is kills, they arnt worth the time tho if its an hour long and you either lose or are only getting a few kills and the 3 marks....or a zerg where they all come and kill you to get the flag or get the base resource.

[elsegundo]

i see. so zerg > turtle.

i'll make sure of that. are we in the same battlegroup?

[Deathinmotion]

My battlegroup is shadowburn and I have two main chars i use who are opposite factions in the same group
Horde char is murlocofdoom lvl 45 rogue on lightninghoof
and
Alliance char is bloodmino lvl 58 hunter on emerald dream

i looked it up on the armory and Ravenholdts current battlegroup in whirlwind so we probably will not actually see each other in the bgs. i do have friends on that server who just joined WoW and i might end up making a char there soon anyway, just depends if they decide to stay or move servers.

[Vandir]

true.... very true!

well now im thinking of aiming for the 39 bracket because, i already have a druid in the works, and well, most classes dont have speed buffs. this will help in those capture the flag scenarios. but... how often will people even be interest in capping a flag? i keep hearing that people just stand around and try to get honor kills instead of capping a flag to win the match. well i'll try the 39 out.

is there anything i'll need to know about this bracket?
should i look out for + stamina gear primarily?
does the spider belt (frees you from immobolizations) share the same cooldown as the Insignia of the Horde/Alliance trinket?
and does the Swift boots increase run speed when in travel/cat form too? same question for swiftness potions.

sorry lotsa questions now that i just decided on a bracket. lol

Unfortunately, Swiftness potion or any other movement increasing effects (other than Dash) don't stack with Feline Swiftness. Though I'm not sure about the slight increase from the AB boots. The Spider Belt doesn't share a cooldown with Insignias.

As for flag capping, I'm glad you asked. I had a lot of fun in the 30-39 bracket. First of all, it's a piece of cake for a druid. We get track humanoids, and that helps infinitely. Here's a little something to help you out...

1. Stealth and go up the ramp. Only a dumb person would stealth through the main tunnels where there is almost always a rogue or another player. The ramp is always undefended in the 30-39 bracket.

2. Once you're up the ramp, turn left and enter the room overlooking the flag room. Once you're overlooking the flag room, just walk forward and don't jump, or else you'll take damage and unstealth.

3. Then grab the flag and Dash out the exit to the right, turn left and go up and out the ramp. Then go down the ramp. I prefer to stay in Cat form for a few seconds to see where the Horde are and maneuver around them.

4. Then, still moving, apply a Rejuvenation and switch to Travel form. If you get CC'd, shift out of Travel form and back into Travel form. I'd suggest making a macro so you can do this instantly.

5. When you get to your tunnels, switch to Bear form for added survivability as you won't get any speed buffs in here from Cat or Travel forms. Then enter the flag room and cap the flag.

6. Repeat

Edit: I'm currently in the 40-49 bracket and you can't do that here. Everyone has a mount, and can catch up with you eventually. However, if they're late, you could make it to your base and get some backup from your teammates.

[Aerath]

I prefer mixing up which way I'm running.

If I always go down the ramp, they'll be waiting for me there by the 4th time.

Tunnel might see you nab the speed boots, graveyard is risky but fast.

Never tried speed potions but don't see why they wouldn't work - but hey, I never tried 'em so you might be right. Movement speed doesn't stack, but Feline swiftness doesn't work indoors, which is where the flags are and are supposed to be going to... and there movement speed does work.

[Aerath]

Never tried speed potions but don't see why they wouldn't work - but hey, I never tried 'em so you might be right.

Just an update to this one as I realise it might've come out wrong.
From my understanding, Speed pots will *not* stack with Feline Swiftness *but* the game will take the higher of the two values, which is the speed pot. In that sense they should work.

[elsegundo]

My battlegroup is shadowburn and I have two main chars i use who are opposite factions in the same group
Horde char is murlocofdoom lvl 45 rogue on lightninghoof
and
Alliance char is bloodmino lvl 58 hunter on emerald dream

i looked it up on the armory and Ravenholdts current battlegroup in whirlwind so we probably will not actually see each other in the bgs. i do have friends on that server who just joined WoW and i might end up making a char there soon anyway, just depends if they decide to stay or move servers.
ok awesome. just tell me whenever you decide to join ravenholdt. im just going to level to 35ish and then hopefully see if some guildies can help me through some dungeons for gear. hopefully i can find some decent gear. any suggestions would be awesome.
Unfortunately, Swiftness potion or any other movement increasing effects (other than Dash) don't stack with Feline Swiftness. Though I'm not sure about the slight increase from the AB boots. The Spider Belt doesn't share a cooldown with Insignias.

As for flag capping, I'm glad you asked. I had a lot of fun in the 30-39 bracket. First of all, it's a piece of cake for a druid. We get track humanoids, and that helps infinitely. Here's a little something to help you out...

1. Stealth and go up the ramp. Only a dumb person would stealth through the main tunnels where there is almost always a rogue or another player. The ramp is always undefended in the 30-39 bracket.

2. Once you're up the ramp, turn left and enter the room overlooking the flag room. Once you're overlooking the flag room, just walk forward and don't jump, or else you'll take damage and unstealth.

3. Then grab the flag and Dash out the exit to the right, turn left and go up and out the ramp. Then go down the ramp. I prefer to stay in Cat form for a few seconds to see where the Horde are and maneuver around them.

4. Then, still moving, apply a Rejuvenation and switch to Travel form. If you get CC'd, shift out of Travel form and back into Travel form. I'd suggest making a macro so you can do this instantly.

5. When you get to your tunnels, switch to Bear form for added survivability as you won't get any speed buffs in here from Cat or Travel forms. Then enter the flag room and cap the flag.

6. Repeat

Edit: I'm currently in the 40-49 bracket and you can't do that here. Everyone has a mount, and can catch up with you eventually. However, if they're late, you could make it to your base and get some backup from your teammates.thank you for all this! but the only problem here is that im horde. and you've given me tactics on how to enter the horde base. =[ (point #3 gave that away), so... if you can tell me how to infiltrate your own base, that would be great! hehe. but the info for the spider belt is helpful. im thinking of just getting that and the boots from the AH. hopefully its not too expensive. as for swiftness pots, i'll be buying those. i guess i'll have to mine some more iron/silver then. its a fair trade.

I prefer mixing up which way I'm running.

If I always go down the ramp, they'll be waiting for me there by the 4th time.

Tunnel might see you nab the speed boots, graveyard is risky but fast.

Never tried speed potions but don't see why they wouldn't work - but hey, I never tried 'em so you might be right. Movement speed doesn't stack, but Feline swiftness doesn't work indoors, which is where the flags are and are supposed to be going to... and there movement speed does work.

is there an in-game system of telling players where the flag and flag carrier is? like maybe on the mini map, or on the map, if there's a map, or even just arrows on your screen? also, i'll have to actually go to the bg's to actually figure out all the routes i can take. but im sure i'll get comfortable with one route and then will have to learn new routes when forced to. hehe


lastly, i was talking to my guild and they tell me that AV is not in my level range. but the other two should be, though they are not too sure about it. so at 30-39, can i do AV too? or do i have just AB and WSG?

thanks everyone!

[odinsnephew]

is there an in-game system of telling players where the flag and flag carrier is? like maybe on the mini map, or on the map, if there's a map, or even just arrows on your screen? also, i'll have to actually go to the bg's to actually figure out all the routes i can take. but im sure i'll get comfortable with one route and then will have to learn new routes when forced to. hehe


lastly, i was talking to my guild and they tell me that AV is not in my level range. but the other two should be, though they are not too sure about it. so at 30-39, can i do AV too? or do i have just AB and WSG?

thanks everyone!

In-game system of telling your team which way you are going after picking up the flag: Ramp, GY, Tunnel (shortened to Tun usually). Obviously the same works in reverse for EF (enemy flag carrier). As Aerath said, if you will be the FC, then it is prudent to change the route......but also as he said, gy is very risky but doable ;)

Edit: If I go tun route I usually deviate *slightly* to the left as you come out into the big open killing fields, as their gy is to the right as you are heading out of their base. Gives you a few seconds more for them to catch you up and works a treat.........unless they're organised and already waiting for you at your tunnel entrance (the gits!)

AV starts at 51 ;)

[elsegundo]

i see i see. thanks odinsnephew.
i'll have to experience all this for myself. maybe a macro will help me with all of this.


i should just get into the bg's on both sides just to get a feel for the map and stuff, since looking at the map online just doesnt really help me much! lol

[odinsnephew]

Yeah it will take you a few games to get a feel for it, but remember both bases are laid out the same with the big open killing fields in between. WSG and AB are the simplest in geographical terms.......the problem is being in the right place at the right time....thats the hardest part ;)

Good luck and enjoy the battles. Also remember, as im sure you are aware, there will most likely be much "wtf noob" nonsense as is usual in this game of WoW ;)

Oh and dont forget to get the trinket!

[elsegundo]

thanks. i guess to avoid the "wtf noob" moments, i should stick with a group of people and just follow them around.

[odinsnephew]

thanks. i guess to avoid the "wtf noob" moments, i should stick with a group of people and just follow them around.

Erm....they might be noobs :grin:

It depends on what class im playing as to what my role will be. Im certain you can figure those out as you go though ;)

Oh and dont run into the middle and fight there please :wink: either go with a group to get the flag or stay at the base and defend.

Bloody hell I make it sound easy.

[elsegundo]

i think i'll start off with defending the base. it shouldnt be so hard in the beginning.

[Aerath]

I run with three macros for WSG, that I can use whether I'm defending or flag running.

/bg << Taking Tunnel >>
/bg << Taking Graveyard >>
/bg << Taking Slope >>

I'm sure they can be altered so that if you hit 'em with an [Alt] they go << EFC going .... >> but I couldn't be bothered tbh :)

[elsegundo]

ok my first bg experience was in AB last night. it was pretty fun, even though we lost a lot and i didnt read the chat most of the time. it took me forever to figure out what was where and what was being said. after a while i figured first thing we all get is the farm for horde, and some runners ran to try to cap the two nodes on the sides. im guessing those are the gold mine and the lumbermill. the first offensive was to the node in the middle. cant remember what that was though. it was totally fun. though i must admit i was playing with players who actually played and attacked whenever necessary. i had no idea who was on guard duty, or where to go, so i just followed people around and we just kept killing things. eventually i figured i should faerie fire all the rogues first, and then the warriors and pallys.

seeing a node guarded by one person, i assumed there's always a stealthed class defending it. so i would look for the rogue/druid whenever i see that.

and for some reason, i figured killing the dps was best. but someone yelled that we should kill the healers first. duh! forgot. so kill healers. i guess i could have healed too, instead of dps. but i was really comfortable with being in cat form.

watching a nightelf druid play was totally awesome. i saw how he played and it was definitely better than me. especially when he knew when to chage forms and stuff. i guess i'll have to learn that after a while, since i dont usually change forms except to heal. PvP playstyle is quite different from PvE. though i find myself spamming claw almost constantly. not good i dont think. i rarely get to use my combo points.

to travel from one node to another, i stay in cat form since i dont want to lose energy. is that ok?

our team kept losing because we kept spreading ourselves pretty thin. im not sure how everything is organized and i cant even easily spot the people who are in my party. it seems a bit chaotic. maybe i'll get used to it.

overall it was a good experience and im glad for my first few bg's i wasnt stuck with the afk'ers and the folks who yelled out to purposely lose the bg. thanks everyone for their help. if you would like to comment more on my character (equipment suggestion, enchant suggestion, spec suggestions) please look at Cowgirl on US-Ravenholdt. i dont have link to armory since work blocks the armory site. thanks everyone! i'll ask more qustions when the time comes. =]

[Ashenshugra]

If your goal is to get a lvl 70 weapon I dont see why you would want to stay at any level longer than you have to. Hit 19, do a few days of bgs, lvl up, hit 29 do a few days of bgs, etc. If your not going to stay at a lvl and twink out a bit dont worry about which tier is the best for your class. Also if your not going to stay at a bracket and twink it out, dont worry about or invest in good gear. People that twink can put 1k gold into a toon. They also have a main that pays for it all. Your one or two good blues isnt going to make a difference.

[Mookin]

Glad you enjoyed the BG El-seg. They can be great fun. Atm I'm twinking a 29 druid which I'm enjoying.

Don't worry too much about spider belt, droods are quite immuned to immobilising effects as it is, with their shape changes. AB boots can help a bit as when you change to heal on the run, you will by travelling at +8% speed with it (and every bit counts).

And you can have lots of fun in BG without properly twinking. Like Ashen said, I would only bother spending gold on twinking if I was going to stay at that lvl for a while. And again, like Ash stated above, you should say at that bracket because you enjoy, not to farm honour. If all you want is honour, then your best bet is to get to 70. The proportion of honour you get at 70 is HUGE compared to lower brackets. Don't know the exact ratio, but it's something silly like: 2k honour at 70 after 2 casual nights of BG, 2k honour at 19 after 2 weeks of casual bgs (or was it 2 months?? can't remember now :grin:)

[elsegundo]

If your goal is to get a lvl 70 weapon I dont see why you would want to stay at any level longer than you have to. Hit 19, do a few days of bgs, lvl up, hit 29 do a few days of bgs, etc. If your not going to stay at a lvl and twink out a bit dont worry about which tier is the best for your class. Also if your not going to stay at a bracket and twink it out, dont worry about or invest in good gear. People that twink can put 1k gold into a toon. They also have a main that pays for it all. Your one or two good blues isnt going to make a difference.well i do want to have some type of way to compete. so that's why im asking. and your method of doing bg's and leveling up has cross my mind but i figured i should just do it all at once, get my 30 marks from ab/wsg, then level up to do AV, get 30 marks and move on. well... seems the same. im just new and i just need to feel like i can kinda hang with the big boys.

Glad you enjoyed the BG El-seg. They can be great fun. Atm I'm twinking a 29 druid which I'm enjoying.

Don't worry too much about spider belt, droods are quite immuned to immobilising effects as it is, with their shape changes. AB boots can help a bit as when you change to heal on the run, you will by travelling at +8% speed with it (and every bit counts).

And you can have lots of fun in BG without properly twinking. Like Ashen said, I would only bother spending gold on twinking if I was going to stay at that lvl for a while. And again, like Ash stated above, you should say at that bracket because you enjoy, not to farm honour. If all you want is honour, then your best bet is to get to 70. The proportion of honour you get at 70 is HUGE compared to lower brackets. Don't know the exact ratio, but it's something silly like: 2k honour at 70 after 2 casual nights of BG, 2k honour at 19 after 2 weeks of casual bgs (or was it 2 months?? can't remember now :grin:)
i see. im not trying to spend too much gold (as i dont think the items will cost me more than 20 gold), but i have made some investment in gear and hopefully those are good enough to help me compete in that bracket for a while. my goal is to get the marks and move on. once i get all the marks, i should be able to buy a war mount for level 60. and then finish it up later on with EoTS marks and get a decent weapon. i really am not there to farm honor, since i know i'll have to do EoTS anyway, i'll get most of the honor there. im just in AB/WSG for the marks, and when im able to do AV, i'll be there just for the marks too.
oh and i "/cast !cat form" all the time now. its just that, i lose all my energy when doing so. its ok since i mostly use it to annoy people trying to trap me.

thanks a lot for your suggestions guys.

[Mookin]

Ah cool, yea for marks hunting that's a different story...:cool:

Btw, don't forget furor in resto tree. If you find yourself switching forms several times, and you enjoy dpsing in feral, it will give you a headstart in energy and rage. Also useful if you need to /bear and /charge or /stun...:wink:

[elsegundo]

i try my best not to switch forms though. i guess i was looking for the most attack power possible so im spec'ed for PvE i think. its not so hard getting people down in health though, especially 1vs1 with an even leveled/geared clothie/leather wearer. now for the twinks, i've come across a few that simply will not die, usually with glowy swords/daggers, and usually rogues and hunters.

[elsegundo]

quick update. i've gotten my 30 marks for Arathi Basin. woot! now its time for WSG.

i played two games of wsg last night, and they did go by pretty fast, however i did feel the wait times for that was a lot longer. capture the flag was just not my thing. after trying to cap i got ambushed on my way out through tunnel. in any case, wgs just isnt for me, and i like the idea of capping nodes and getting resources better. i also thought the map was incredibly small.

what is AV like? is it more like AB or WSG?

second question, what can i do when kited by a hunter? i've found that they usually give me the most problems in BGs. with mages, i can change forms and get out of their snares, even slowed by their frost, i can get right next to them in no time and claw away. but with hunters, its difficult to keep from being slowed. that's the main problem there. anyway, any advice? get a trinket?

[Mookin]

Gz on the marks

As for the wait in WSG I'm sure it changes every night. So don't be disheartened.

WSG is quite good fun when you get the hang of it. But as for...

what is AV like? is it more like AB or WSG?

AV is completely different from AB/WSG. The zone is huge, and it plays very differently. A ton of players from both factions race to opposite end of the maps, cappin a few nodes along the way and fighting an end boss.

With my 70 horde warrior, a typical AB run was usually: run to first tower, tank, kill, run to end of map, tank end boss, and halfway through the fight getting the message..."The Alliance wins"...:grin: . Rinse and repeat.:rolleyes:


And as for...

second question, what can i do when kited by a hunter?

I only started BGing with my druid a few nights ago, and I do struggle with them as well...:undecided: Just a few pointers which might help escape. Hibernate can be used to put pet to sleep. Nature's Grasp might also be an alternative. But as for getting rid of the hunter, I'm still working on that one... :grin: Going invis not normally an option as the pet will track you down.

[elsegundo]

ok, time to hotkey more things! thanks mookin. i'll see where i can hotkey hybernate and nature's grasp. the thing is, its on a hotkey when im in tauren form, but not when im in cat. and i also dont like changing forms as it drops my energy when i get back into it, but i guess that's what i'll have to deal with.

so AV is basically a race to kill the other team's boss first?

[Aerath]

Nature's grasp works in forms.

[elsegundo]

Nature's grasp works in forms.

thats awesome to know! what about hybernate?
i'll remember that... this will be a big help when catching up to a fc.


ok general thoughts:
no one really communicates. i never read incommings ever. and usually when people chat in bg they're just adding commentary to the battle, or telling people to stop farming. im usually the only one saying things like, efc tunnel, and when i cap the flag, i'd tell people my route "tunnel," or "ramp". i've found that the gy is terrible to go through, as all i see are a bunch of red just standing around. and every now and again i'd have the flag all the way to the tunnel entrance and meet a group of enemies in our base just waiting for me. wonder where the... "inc tunnel" went... but other than that... the bg's are actually quite fun, and it helps build my skills when doing pvp.

one more thing, i've looked all over my screen for this and through the raid window, but i can never figure out how people are able to know how many alliance there are vs horde. i get someone at the start saying, "well its 8 on 4 lol." but the gates havent even opened! totally lost there.

[Aerath]

thats awesome to know! what about hybernate?
i'll remember that... this will be a big help when catching up to a fc.


ok general thoughts:
no one really communicates. i never read incommings ever. and usually when people chat in bg they're just adding commentary to the battle, or telling people to stop farming. im usually the only one saying things like, efc tunnel, and when i cap the flag, i'd tell people my route "tunnel," or "ramp". i've found that the gy is terrible to go through, as all i see are a bunch of red just standing around. and every now and again i'd have the flag all the way to the tunnel entrance and meet a group of enemies in our base just waiting for me. wonder where the... "inc tunnel" went... but other than that... the bg's are actually quite fun, and it helps build my skills when doing pvp.

one more thing, i've looked all over my screen for this and through the raid window, but i can never figure out how people are able to know how many alliance there are vs horde. i get someone at the start saying, "well its 8 on 4 lol." but the gates havent even opened! totally lost there.

Hibernate works on forms. Minor, subtle yet important difference.

And you can hit the BG button on your map and it should bring up the info about how many are on each side.

[elsegundo]

ok thank you Aerath.

[Vandir]

Also, what spec are you? If you're a druid (which I think you are, I haven't looked at this thread in a while), you're probably feral. Also, what bracket are you currently in? Just curious. :)

[Mookin]

thats awesome to know! what about hybernate?
i'll remember that... this will be a big help when catching up to a fc.

Also on hybernate, and other druid spells, remember you can cast them while in feral form, and it will immediately switch you into normal form. It makes that self-heal or hybernate that much quicker to get off. As when you are FC running, Cast hot on self, back to feral, and keep on running, all without stopping.

As for your thoughts, yea, not many people communicate, but a few good players do. So it's hit or miss. :grin:

And to get the info on the players in BG, yea just click on the little bg symbol on top right of your screen. It will open another window, showing all participants, number of kills, damage done, healing done etc. I normally sort it out by honour kills, which quickly tells me if one side is dominating the bg or not. For example, if I see the top killers are all blue (alliance), and their kill ratio is 4 times more than hours, I know we are doomed :tongue:.

Finally, a quicker way to look at this screen without using the mouse, is to hit Shift-Spacebar.

[elsegundo]

i think im going to add a hybernate/grasp macro for all forms, just so they can all do it. i realize i didnt have to change forms to do it now, since i will automatically change forms when pressing the button. but if the hybernate is in a different stance's actionbar, i tend to change into that stance in order to press the button. haha. i know, too many steps.

[elsegundo]

quick question:

im 57 and almost ready to go to AV... i think.
already thinking of buying some outland drops and maybe do a few quests in outland before joining in the fray. however.... how are the brackets set up? i hear its not like WSG and AB and so... im not sure where the split is.

thanks!

[odinsnephew]

51-60, 61-69, 70

I hope that makes sense at 2 in the morning....time for zzzzzzzzzzzz ;)

[odinsnephew]

Sorry for double post but after writing the above and toodling off to bed I realised I got this wrong. Its 51-60 and 61-70 which I should have known as I had just then come out of AV in the 61-70 bracket :)

[elsegundo]

lol i see i see.

thank you odinsnephew.