Kil'jaeden

[Shellar]

So we finally managed to finish off M'uru today, and now we're about to face Kil'jaeden himself.


...I'm scared. :sad:

[Aerath]

Heh.

Would love to help ya, but we had a minor implosion. Got back on track with a first kill of RoS this reset, but we needed a few weeks to get back to where we were.

I doubt you'll be having a lot of hardship anyway ;P

[Lobothomy]

Damn, that's pretty fast :o

Noone on our server has killed any boss in Sunwell yet and we still are wiping on Illidan for a horde first.

Anyway, did the blackened naaru sliver drop? *drewl*

[Shellar]

Anyway, did the blackened naaru sliver drop? *drewl*
Yup, along with the tanking ring, the healing PvP ring, and the Fel Conqueror Raiments (didn't have enough DKP for those, so lost to a warlock).

[Lobothomy]

aw gratz to the lucky dps'er who got that trinket!

Gl on Kil'jaeden!!

[Shellar]

O... M... F... G...

C'Thun + Sapphiron + Magtheridon + Nefarian + Razorgore + Teron + Void Reaver + Felmyst = Kil'jaeden.

[Aerath]

So... nothing too hard, right ? :grin:

[coani]

sounds fun ;p

my guild sure had an implosion... we still havn't downed kalecgos, I saw I posted in a thread here about kalec after our first try at it... 2 months ago ;o
and not only have we had an implosion, we've had a serious regression. this week we failed to clear BT, ending on wipes on RoS... after having one evening of wipes on supremus (lolwtf)...
seriously frustrating :/

[Aerath]

sounds fun ;p

my guild sure had an implosion... we still havn't downed kalecgos, I saw I posted in a thread here about kalec after our first try at it... 2 months ago ;o
and not only have we had an implosion, we've had a serious regression. this week we failed to clear BT, ending on wipes on RoS... after having one evening of wipes on supremus (lolwtf)...
seriously frustrating :/

Know the feeling. Having to go back to SSC/TK to gear people up ain't my idea of fun. Having people manage to fail @ constructs (not even understanding they're supposed to gtfo when their name is called out on vent) sucks.

At least we're moving forwards again a tiny bit, but it's only border-line currently, especially with the way some of the new recruits are doing.

[Lobothomy]

@ Shellar = sounds like you got a bunch of awesome wipe nights heading your way. I like wipe nights ^^

And we killed Illidan last night!!!!! Horde first on our server (Bronze Dragonflight)! He didn't drop any of my glaives but our MT was very happy with his shiny new helm and chest.

We 2 shotted Illy and then wiped about 7 times on archi. But by the end of the night I got my T6 helm which means I'm the first rogue on horde side with a T6 bonus.

I know our server on the horde side has been slow on progression but our guild did really well I think. Hoping we can clear BT and MH faster this reset period for our first look in SW and perhaps a server first on Kal. ^^

sry for the wall of text but I'm still very much excited even though I had some sleep :D

[Aerath]

Congratulations =)

I'm waiting for Shellar to post they got Kil'jaeden anyway ;p

[Hydro]

Congratulations =)

I'm waiting for Shellar to post they got Kil'jaeden anyway ;p

Unless he is putting in multiple 10+ hour nights, it will be a bit.
Kil'Jaeden is a ton of luck on ability timers + insane DPS requirements and situational awareness, as well as luck on "class calls" if you will.

[Aerath]

Perhaps - there have been several kills now (first three within 24 hours of each other), so I'm expecting other top end guilds to be able to get there swiftly enough as well.

[YamahaGuy]

We didnt have an implosion like others, but over the last month something took a turn where people don't take things seriously, people are burnt out, or people have lost the craze to raid. Drama had hit a peak and it was taking a serious toll.

There was one week where we wiped on everything. We struck out on a Kael night without a kill. We wiped on antheron and kazrogal ( fkin sad I know....dont make fun) we wiped on AZ like four times. We wiped a whole night on supremus without downing him, and meanwhile people are laughing like its funny everytime they died from a .... volcano. While the rest of us cry inside.

It was bad, real bad.

But. Two of the biggest drama were..... removed. A couple new people who still express such thrill in even being there and showing enthusiasm lifted some spirits too. And, we finally made jokers understand... dying from volcanoes isnt funny. And we've been leaving them back in shattrath.

Were back to downing content again

[Shellar]

I'm waiting for Shellar to post they got Kil'jaeden anyway ;p
Nah, we're not that hardcore... the majority of our members have pretty strict work schedules, and our GM/RL is 7 months pregnant. :grin:

[coani]

shellar: so it'll take you guys a few days extra to do it ;)


watched the skgaming kill videdo today.. *cough* looks fun. :p
I hate that we're not progessing or doing anything good.

[Lobothomy]

@yamahaguy:

don't worry mate, if your GL/RL and officer can spot the rotten apples and undertake some action soon enough a total breakdown can be avoided.

It sometimes takes a hard hand to set things straight. We had a kicking spree a couple a months ago were we let go about a 100 people. Result: a very healthy small guild (50) with only active raiders and everyone determined to down stuff. It wasn't a fun thing to do when our GM decided to wipe more then 2/3'd of his guild but it payed dividend.

[Hydro]

shellar: so it'll take you guys a few days extra to do it ;)


watched the skgaming kill videdo today.. *cough* looks fun. :p
I hate that we're not progessing or doing anything good.

I'm not sure you realize how hard Kil'Jaeden actually is, or how much the current kills have put into him ^^

[Shellar]

shellar: so it'll take you guys a few days extra to do it ;)


watched the skgaming kill videdo today.. *cough* looks fun. :p
We can't even get to the "meteors" part yet. :embarassed:

[corga]

my guild got felmyst to 15% last night, Im very happy :)

[coani]

We can't even get to the "meteors" part yet. :embarassed:

Sure beats the "hohum, training+gearing new recruits in BT/MH yet again..." :undecided:
Damned AoC didn't help either... a few jumped over, leaving us short on people to even take to Sunwell to throw ourselves at the trash :sad:

So Kalecgos still remains undefeated.

[Lobothomy]

Had a couple of goes at Kalecgos in last reset period. Sadly I wasn't there but they got him down to 58%. I haven't been to the fight yet, in difficulty, to what boss is the event comparable?

[Aerath]

From what I gathered, each boss you encounter in Sunwell is the hardest you have seen in the game thus far.

[Shellar]

Had a couple of goes at Kalecgos in last reset period. Sadly I wasn't there but they got him down to 58%. I haven't been to the fight yet, in difficulty, to what boss is the event comparable?
58%? Is that for the dragon, the demon, or both?

In terms of difficulty, it's like doing Razorgore just after you've downed Majordomo, but before you've tried Ragnaros.
From what I gathered, each boss you encounter in Sunwell is the hardest you have seen in the game thus far.
Not only that, but each Sunwell boss tests your raid's prowess at a particular aspect of the game.

Kalecgos - Tank rotations and the ability to function in small semi-autonomous units.
Brutallus - Gear quality.
Felmyst - Fast reflexes. Twitch and you're dead.
Eredar Twins - Spatial awareness and LOS tricks.
M'uru - Strategic planning and time management.
KJ - All of the above.

[corga]

58%? Is that for the dragon, the demon, or both?

In terms of difficulty, it's like doing Razorgore just after you've downed Majordomo, but before you've tried Ragnaros.

Not only that, but each Sunwell boss tests your raid's prowess at a particular aspect of the game.

Kalecgos - Tank rotations and the ability to function in small semi-autonomous units.
Brutallus - Gear quality.
Felmyst - Fast reflexes. Twitch and you're dead.
Eredar Twins - Spatial awareness and LOS tricks.
M'uru - Strategic planning and time management.
KJ - All of the above.

Shellar hit the nail right on the head. you need a well rounded and skilled raid to do sunwell. These are hard bosses and cant be taken lightly (Ugh eredar twins are a pain in the ass right now...)

[Cerberus]

How would you rate Sunwell compared to BT? We're working on Illidan atm and I guess a guild that has farmed tier 6 for a few months won't consider it all that hard anymore, but did it feel like a huge step up to you?

I have to admit I'm not really all that impressed with the general difficulty of BT. Vashj with the gear and raid you bring when you first get to her is a lot harder than what BT has to offer imo, so I guess there's a lot of room to ramp up the difficulty..

[corga]

BT was differnt. i liked how I tanked again and RoS was quite a differnt fight. but sunwell is much harder than BT and even contends with Naxx on dificulty.

[Lobothomy]

Can't wait to get started. Is it a good strategy to keep BT as a priority and try 1 day per week to SW? We currently want everybody to gear up the max they can before SW.

Is this advisable or could we focus on SW with a good cahnce of downing bosses? We got about 1/4 with all the gear they need from BT.

[Ntrails]

sounds fun ;p

after having one evening of wipes on supremus (lolwtf)...
seriously frustrating :/

HOW...

Many many guilds appear to be having issues, specifically recruitment wise, and it amuses me how often GM would rather recruit an known old player using a kara geared alt (main spec full) cause they can be carried through to gear up and at least we know they won't turn out to be incompetent.

[Shellar]

Can't wait to get started. Is it a good strategy to keep BT as a priority and try 1 day per week to SW? We currently want everybody to gear up the max they can before SW.

Is this advisable or could we focus on SW with a good cahnce of downing bosses? We got about 1/4 with all the gear they need from BT.
I'd recommend focusing on BT/MH for now - it will save you a lot of tears and frustration.

SWP is a huge step up in terms of difficulty from T6 instances, in terms of both gear and skill requirements - and unlike preceding instances, it has no "reward"/"loot pinata" bosses. Kalecgos, Brutallus and Felmyst are more difficult than Illidan and Archimonde, Twins are harder than the first three, and the difficulty curve shoots up exponentially from that point on.

Remember: the fundamental purpose of Sunwell Plateau is to keep high-end guilds - the ones that have been farming Illy/Archie for months - preoccupied until WotLK is at the doorstep. Its difficulty is tuned accordingly.

[Lobothomy]

Thanks Shellar, we will have a go at SWP tonight. Kinda curious as to how we will do. And I also hope leveling LW will pay off now ^^

Don't think we're quit ready yet for SWP though, we only had Illy to do yesterday and P2 keeps being a royal pain. We needed 8 tries yet again (3d time we killed him) and 6 of those ended in P2. Good thing is, we now have tanks who can do P2 almost consistently. Guess it's not a easy phase for them to figure out.

On to trash lewt!

[Tort]

Thanks Shellar, we will have a go at SWP tonight. Kinda curious as to how we will do. And I also hope leveling LW will pay off now ^^

Don't think we're quit ready yet for SWP though, we only had Illy to do yesterday and P2 keeps being a royal pain. We needed 8 tries yet again (3d time we killed him) and 6 of those ended in P2. Good thing is, we now have tanks who can do P2 almost consistently. Guess it's not a easy phase for them to figure out.

On to trash lewt!

Phase 2 is indeed by far the hardest phase, and the fire tanks have the hardest job on the entire fight. I know this from experience sadly, being one of those fire tanks.

[Shellar]

I'm waiting for Shellar to post they got Kil'jaeden anyway ;p
We did. :)

Thanks to everyone for your support.

[Twoflower]

We did. :)

Thanks to everyone for your support.

gratulations :D

we just one-shot felmyst and are trying to get to the twins this ID.

after almost 2 months of wipes on brutallus, people leaving the guild, re-equipping new players etc it was almost a shock to get Felmyst so fast... we tried her for about a hour and killed her then with 5 dead people, no consumables whatsoever and thinking that we are nowhere near a kill ^^

now looking forward to rail-hopping the twins to death :)

[Clavina]

We did. :)

Thanks to everyone for your support.

Gz Shellar, nicely done sir!

[Aerath]

We did. :)

Thanks to everyone for your support.

Congratulations.

We got our first Illidan kill last reset :grin:

[Wintrow]

I am SO far away from all this, but I still feel proud to say I tanked Prince (y'know, back in kara) last week. First guild-only full clear of Kara. We're starting on ZA and hooking up w another guild to start Gruul's.

[swaldman]

I am SO far away from all this, but I still feel proud to say I tanked Prince (y'know, back in kara) last week.

Gratz!
As tank-and-spank fights go, I find that one of the most intense for the tank - especially if tank and healer gear is only just good enough.


First guild-only full clear of Kara. We're starting on ZA and hooking up w another guild to start Gruul's.

I don't want to sound negative - far from it - but if you've only just killed Prince, don't expect to go waltzing into ZA and find it easy. If your gear is primarily from Kara, you'll find it a strain on tanks and healers at first. Having said that, ZA is a great instance (at least I think so - my guild has strongly divided opinions on this), and I hope you enjoy the challenge.

[Twoflower]

I don't want to sound negative - far from it - but if you've only just killed Prince, don't expect to go waltzing into ZA and find it easy. If your gear is primarily from Kara, you'll find it a strain on tanks and healers at first. Having said that, ZA is a great instance (at least I think so - my guild has strongly divided opinions on this), and I hope you enjoy the challenge.

you will surely be able to kill things. dont expect the timed run anytime soon, but you will surely be able to kill the first 4 bosses.

[Maoileoin]

you will surely be able to kill things. dont expect the timed run anytime soon, but you will surely be able to kill the first 4 bosses.


Are you sure about this? My guild has only Kara on farm, but we have trouble getting anything past the first two bosses. And from what I've read, this is pretty common for groups of that level. Or maybe we're just nubsauce...

Oh, and congrats Shellar! /envy

[Cerberus]

That would be pretty common I think. ZA is a big step up from Kara both in fight complexity and gear requirements.

[swaldman]

Are you sure about this? My guild has only Kara on farm, but we have trouble getting anything past the first two bosses. And from what I've read, this is pretty common for groups of that level. Or maybe we're just nubsauce...


If you've only just cleared Karazhan, then these will be very very hard. If you have been farming Karazhan for a while and have mostly T4-level gear, they will be a challenge but should be doable, if your group has Clue. IMHO, if your tanks and healers can handle the bear trash, they're probably fine for the first 4 bosses; although some more specialised tanking may be required for the dragonhawk...

EDIT: I take that back actually. If the *healers* can handle the bear trash, you should be good. But tanks (or, at least one tank) will need to be better geared for dragonhawk & lynx than for that.

[Maoileoin]

If you've only just cleared Karazhan, then these will be very very hard. If you have been farming Karazhan for a while and have mostly T4-level gear, they will be a challenge but should be doable, if your group has Clue. IMHO, if your tanks and healers can handle the bear trash, they're probably fine for the first 4 bosses; although some more specialised tanking may be required for the dragonhawk...

Yep, that's where we usually get hung up. Either the pally tank or the mage goes down on the AOE.

[swaldman]

Yep, that's where we usually get hung up. Either the pally tank or the mage goes down on the AOE.

Go try the Lynx instead - the Dragonhawk is the hardest of the four for many.
As a tankadin who has done this a number of times, these pointers may (or may not) help:

- Stack block value. If you can get it high enough (somewhere around 500ish), you will take no physical damage from the dragonhawks, and only have fire damage to worry about. However,
- DOn't skimp on stamina. If you're taking a whole side of eggs at a time, you will have 30-40 of the +fire dmg debuffs on you by the end of one side, and you need to be able to survive a Flame Breath. A healer will need to be spamming at you for this reason. After taking one side, bubble to remove the debuffs before doing the other side.
- Get a hunter or shammy to drop a frost trap or earthbind totem on the end of the bridge that the hawks are coming over. This means that they stay for longer in your Consecrate, which reduces the risk of them flying straight through and out the other side.
- Don't start AoE immediately - this is perhaps why your mage is dying? Wait until all the eggs have hatched and all the hawks have been in the consecrate for a few seconds.
- It's very difficult to find a spot free of bombs when you have 30 dragonhawks around your head. Put a raid symbol on somebody nearby, get them to find a safe spot, then go and stand on top of them (making sure only to walk backwards of course - need to keep blocking those hawks)