Any other horde here given up hope of ever winning another AV again?

[Modibybob]

!QQ Warning!

EVERY single game after 2.4 I played with my battlegroup was lost. I know for a fact we don't suck that much. Now I'm starting to understand why there are so many afk bots on horde side in AV. Because no matter what, the Alliance seem to zerg rush Drek before we even cross the bridge into the aid station. I've been in every kind of strategy that I can possibly think of, from a turtlefest, to defending IB and TP, to an all out zerg against Van...why Blizz jacked up AV in favor of the Alliance even more is completely baffling.

[Aerath]

It's your battlegroup.

On mine it's split around 60a-40h or even 50-50, at any rate most times the honour ratios are within 100 of each other.

Those bots are costing you the game.

[dightkuz]

Yeah I'm in a battlegroup where Horde not even lose AV but ALL other BGs too which is why PvP in WoW fails so much imo.

[Twoflower]

Yeah I'm in a battlegroup where Horde not even lose AV but ALL other BGs too which is why PvP in WoW fails so much imo.

aha, so it is the games fault if your teammates suck ? :) nice try.

[jschild]

Trust me, AV is not unbalanced, it's more about having enough people who actually understand how to play the game.

We still trump the alliance on my battlegroup, but they have learned so, so its not a forgone conclusion.

Report AFK'ers constantly to at least limit their rewards (you gotta do something while defending or taking towers - you are doing that right?)

[pergolesi]

On my server I notice that in BGs Horde wins about 4 out of 5. That's not a precise analysis but I think it's pretty close. I think it may be because Horde attracts more dedicated players, Alliance are more numerous and more casual, at least where I am.

[TPMdm]

In my battlegroup AV is pretty balanced win :: loss ratio. However when we (FOR THE HORDE!!!) win it's usually a blowout of honor. My battlegroup tends to stink in AB and EotS and again pretty even with WSG.

[odinsnephew]

Yes as Alliance we usually win AV a good 60-70%....which is ok. But we are fine in AB....not good in EoTs.....and damn good in wsg. Its not even server/battlegroup specific really. Just whose up for a rumble ;)

/salute all PvPers :)

But AV is where the leechers go............that makes me a little angry. But I believe in karma.

[corga]

If I ever do AV i do it in a pre made. We win EoTS 99% of the time fast so thats where I go for honour.

[Xlorep DarkHelm]

Yeah I'm in a battlegroup where Horde not even lose AV but ALL other BGs too which is why PvP in WoW fails so much imo.

On my battlegroup, Alliance wins AV, Horde wins all others. Typically.

[Shellar]

On my battlegroup, Horde used to lose 80% of all AV games pre-2.4. Now it's about 50/50.

[elsegundo]

I've played 13 AV's total for the Horde.

39 marks divided by 3 = 13.

others i've talked to in AV has said they've gone about 40 games without a loss, then others would chime in and its always a huge streak. i've never seen a loss. once we were down but ended up coming back for the win. i dont know what it is but everyone's pretty focused on winning, capping gy's, defending towers, and avoiding midfield turtles. perhaps you should join my server.

maybe you're in the wrong battlegroup. maybe you're in the wrong tier.



on a side note, my guildie tried to report someone for being afk botting. then she got reported back by the afk'er. is that possible by a bot?

[Redhole]

Strange, because on my battlegroup I played 13 AV in a row and in each of them the Alliance was outnumbered 2-1 and lost each time. It wasn't a fluke I don't think as everyone in the BG was complaining about it.

[elsegundo]

Redhole, if you're in Thunderhorn, you're in Vindication. I play in Shadowmoon/alliance, also in Vindication but i never do BGs as alliance. but for the Horde, im in a totally different battlegroup--Whirlwind, so its more likely coincidence that you lost 13 AVs and I wont 13 AVs.

[odinsnephew]

Thunderhorn EU (Redhole is from Belfast) is in the Cyclone battlegroup ;)

http://www.wowwiki.com/Server:Thunderhorn_Europe

[elsegundo]

oh. yea then definitely we cant be in the same battlegroup if red is in europe, and i play in the states.

but even if red was in the states, we'd still be in different battlegroups.

[odinsnephew]

oh. yea then definitely we cant be in the same battlegroup if red is in europe, and i play in the states.

but even if red was in the states, we'd still be in different battlegroups.

hehe and your servers/times would confuse me Elsegundo. Good luck with that ;)

[bpaige]

I think in my battle group (Reckoning) it's more about what time of day you play. I can comment on the whole AV thing, alliance 9/10 win it pretty much any time you play. Any other BG unless you are playing at 11pm est. or later, forget it Horde are gonna roll you...later in the evening it becomes almost 50/50.

BG weekends however, it's like the alliance come out to play and that specific BG is closer to 60/40 alliance all day/all night.

Prime example I go home for lunch today and play a couple of EoTS since it is the daily.........all the alliance green and blue wonders show up and we're in there against mostly epic'd/ healed horde....and they wonder why we get our stuff pushed in.

:)

[Grakmarr]

As (most) others have said, it's your battlegroup. On mine (Whirlwind), I've been in one Horde AV loss in the past week - out of over two dozen matches. The other 25 or 26, we simply rolled over the Alliance without much incident. We stuck together, we fought together, and everyone fought SMART. Healers and squishies get gnawed on like we're a bunch of rabid jackals, and then we methodically chew through whatever else stands between us and Van. Some of the Reinforcement tallies right before we win almost make me feel bad for the Alliance. It has to be really demoralizing.

That said? WSG was the PvP daily yesterday, and I spent three hours collecting my 40 honor losses as we continued to be slaughtered mercilessly at the hands of a dozen different better-geared and better-organized Alliance teams. And that's usually the way it goes, pretty much the opposite of AV, regardless of the time of day or the day of the week. When I finally completed the PvP daily, I had spent about three hours and 13 '3-0' losses watching my res timer tick down to the point where I could mount up and go get slaughtered along with everyone else on our side.

AB and EotS are pretty much back and forth, the wild differences are reserved for those two above.

[Urbanink]

Hakkar- horde wins everything cept Eots 80% of the time.Basin is more like 60-40 us.

[TehDarkrunner]

I stopped playing AV after they changed it. And, judging from the games queued up on my battlegroup, so have a lot of other horde.

Don't matter none to me...eventually the alliance will enjoy the 2 hour queues for AV as horde once did...

[Findariel]

Well in my BG horde wins most EOtS, AB and WSG and loses most AV.

The best way for horde to win is to destroy SH and IW bunker and then defend IB and TP bunkers and get the mines.
Trying to kill Vandar is suicidal at best in most cases - we all know the annoying bridge chokepoint where horde loses too much time/needs too much resources.

So well yes horde wins every now and then but execept AV horde wins most BGs in my case. Especially EOtS is pretty much horde dominated with sometimes 80-20 win ratios.

[JFoobar]

Another vote for "It's Your Battle Group." The only BG we don't have a reasonable win-loss ratio in is WSG and, even there, we seem to win about 1 in 3. AV we win 3 out of 4 or so.

[Wintrow]

Well, the times when we win the fastest we already own the relief hut before we destroy iceblood tower (real shocker for me). It's all about advancing quickly with small strike teams while the group kills galv (balinda for horde).

The ones where we hurt the most is where horde has decent combat-blocking defense to ruin attempts at Galv. Meanwhile their strikeforce reduces our reinforcements by burning ur towers. Often ppl start to whine that it's a bust. Then a group of 10 suddenly kicks galv's butt, morale is high and towers start dropping. We kill drek fast then. Meanwhile all I see in chat is Horde not tanking Vanndar in the back of his room and seem to wanna pull him out. Vann resets, horde loses another reinforcement.

Weird though, Drek and Galv have this AoE fear which would make resets more likely. Still we don't see them as often as horde do.

EDIT: Seems drek doesn't have an AoE Fear

[drewid]

I must say since 2.4 AV is much better with out the two hour wait on queues for the horde.
We dont win 100% of the time any more but with a few good players willing to defend we can win just about every time.
Getting the horde to crush the intial ally zerg at IB is hard, horde have an inbuilt desire to attack. Last game i played we only had 4 defending the initial Zerg at IB we got rolled and lost the GY, due to that, all horde had to rez at FW or the relief hut, we still won as we all had to push back thru the map in one big mass and the allies had no hope of taking our base or fw. If we had of just defended IB initially and broken the zerg, it would of been alot quicker.
I never see any ally defending Van we we get there, yet a few horde in with Drek can keep him up for ages. ?? for some reason the ally can have our relief hut and towers long before we get across the bridge, yet we still generally win by killing Van.
EOTS - horde forget about it 90% loss ratio. WSG 40 - 60 to ally, AB getting worse 40 - 60 ally.