*Sigh* What do you do?...

[Mazhulsage]

Most of the time, when I get an instance run together, it's normally with at least 1 guildy, or a friend, and then 3 randoms. It 99% of the time works out well, and everyone's happy because the group went well...

So, today, I hit the 1% again. I was on my Druid, I said "What will I be required to do in the group?" since we had a 70, then he brought 1 more 70, and a 68 into Auchindoun Crypts. So, they said "You can DPS, we have a tank and a healer both are 70." and I was like cool, even though I prefer healing in instances, that works. Anyway, as we're about to go up to the first boss, after 1 wipe on trash (It's hard, I understood.) we got to the boss...

I get whispered from the 68 mage "You can tank this boss right?" I say "Uhh, the 70 Warrior's going to tank it." he says "Nah man he doesn't have tanking gear plus he's fury." so I go "Well... I'm not exactly prepared, I don't really have a tanking set, I have lots of health and everything but I dunno if I can do it." so after him talking for another minute saying "nah man you can do it" I'm like whatever, let's just get this boss done. So, I pop into bear, throw on Enrage, wait until it's at 2 seconds then run in. Flash ahead, running back to corpse pissed off...

He's now saying "Oh you should have healed. Oops." cause of his -150% casting (heals included) speed reduction, that the Pally accidentally walked into... So, I heal in healing gear, we do it essentially perfectly, and we move on. I throw on my DPS set... "You should tank these mobs, just swipe and mangle it's that easy" and he says he has a 70 Druid etc. etc. I'm just pissed at this point like, wtf dude, YOU guys said I could DPS, I didn't prepare for tanking and I'm not 70. BTW, the Warrior is in Arena gear, dual wielding, sitting at about 12K health unbuffed.

So, I tank, I'm like whatever let's get this instance done... Finally, the final boss, I tank it and the Warlock is like "ZOMG, I COULD USE THAT TRINKET" (+56 AP on equip, use: 900 health healed on the next mob you kill healed.) and everyone except him is like "Well, the druid could use it." then I need it. He goes "Meh, whatever, I could've used that but fine." and I get it.

I just wanted to rip my hair out, that along with the in-laws going "You need to go pick up stuff from the store for us." and it's a list... As I'm in the instance... This is essentially a rant, but also, what do you do to deal with this crap? I really wanna know. It was barely worth it to go, since I got stuck with a 4g repair bill and the item was useless to me pretty much.

[Weakstream]

I see how the inlaws could effect that =P

But thats really sucks dude im a fury war and we always get stuck without a tank and ive spent over 500 gold with respecs and stuff and noone pays me back =(

I hate it when Groups are like that were they really can't figure out whats going on

And another thing a lot of people Assume that cuz your class can be a tank that you can Automatically tank anything and i hate that.....

[Ash Housewares]

dont pull until people know their roles and its been confirmed they have the gear to perform them

as for horribads not knowing what trinkets they need... I had a shadowpriest need against my prot warrior for adamantite figurine in Shadowlabs

its a good thing he got stomped on the roll, but I still /spit at him everytime I see him, sucks for him to be terrible and have an easy to remember name

[Mazhulsage]

Weakstream: 1, Kansas, whoo, I'm moving back there sometime soon (As in, around 2 years lol.) No, he was told he was tanking, and then the second he actually had to tank something other than trash, he essentially just whispers the mage friend of his and he tells me "ur tank lulz" essentially. I don't want to wait 3 hours to do an instance and have a huge conversation explaining why a 70 in epic gear should tank over a 67 in mostly green gear that's ALSO DPS gear, so I just started.

Ash: We understood our roles, we got it sorted out before the encounter happened. I said "I can main heal." first thing I said. He said "Nah, we need DPS, just DPS this instance." so I was like awesome. Essentially, everyone knew their roles as our 70 Pally was Holy, our 70 War I assumed was Prot since he had 12K health I just thought he was in mainly blues with a couple epics, we had a 68 mage (DPS) and a 64 Warlock (DPS) and me, which I elected to Off-Heal when needed since my healing set is extremely nice.

So, after we get to the first boss, as I said, the mage requests I tank and as I said, I'm in DPS gear. I didn't really spec to tank, since I'm going to gear up in Arena gear most likely once I hit 69 I'm hitting the honor and getting the marks. I'm fine with tanking, it's just, they essentially made me do 3 things throughout the instance, as I said, I'm FINE with that, just don't tell me I can DPS then expect me to have the tanking gear when I only have a DPS and healing set, with a COUPLE tank items.

[Ash Housewares]

our 70 War I assumed was Prot

inspect them, don't assume theyre one spec or another

[Trakamoocow]

This, gave, me, a, headache, to, read.

You might manage to heal and/or dps at the level of instance you're doing. You won't in anything harder. Wth spec are you btw? It sounds pretty messy. Nothing wrong with experimenting I guess, but generally:

Lazer Chicken - Druid DPS tree.
Feral - Druid tanking and OFF DPS tree.
Resto - Healz0r.

I've seen a few wombles about "I R feral leet dpser plz gief group". No. This tree is intended for tanking, the dps is subpar (unless your other dpsers are um, really terribad). You are a nice buff to other dpsers, but you will NOT get endgame groups based on this alone. Even groups as lazer chicken spec are difficult to get. That said, with Imp LotP feral is a great farming spec (never have to drink).

Your game to play, etc. But instancing before 70 is pretty v0v now, with craftables, pvp epics, etc, you can easily be entry level kara barely setting foot in anything prior to it.

Get to 70, get the baseline epics, get carted through KaraMart, win.

And please, use, fewer, commas, when, typing, it, can, be, a, bit, counter, productive, you know.,.,.,.,.,.

[drewid]

Bit over the top on comma remark Trak. I think he was using them correctly, unlike how you have represented him using them.

[Trakamoocow]

That, is, why, you, fail.

I mean - you took me literally, which is pretty (intelligent) to start with. His sentences run on, he fails to encapsulate points into separate sentences. E.g.

I was going down the road, it was a long road so it was a long time, because I needed to go buy bread from the store, which was all the way, up the other end, which would only be open another 20 minutes.

vs

I had to go buy some bread. The store was down the other end of my street, and I only had 20 minutes to get there. Wasn't sure i'd make it, but meh, i'd sure as hell try!

Edit: Now that I reread, he did that a bit but the real problem was integrating what was 'said'. Mismatched, splattered in the middle of his points, just made it irritating to read. Instead of me explaining that too, im sure theres a wiki out somewhere on the english language and correct formatting. Reference that for your viewing pleasure.

[Cerberus]

It's perfectly readable and paragraphs have been used where appropriate. Is this really worth making all this fuss over?

There is a point about roles here however. If you're taken along with someone outgearing the content it isn't really a big deal, but if you are resto you won't have much business in instances from now on as anything but a healer.

If you want to dps as feral you will be able to hold your own with the right gear and some research on how to do it, but other classes/speccs will get the job done better if they know what they are doing (rarely the case in pugs). If you want to be pure dps moonkin is the way to go. A feral druid offtanking and dpsing can make life a lot easier at times and isn't necessarily a bad thing however :)

As for heroics, inspect people or preferably check out their gear and specc on armory before you take them along. It's not fun finding out that your healer has +740 healing as you're about to the enter a heroic instance (yes, this has happened to me). Get an idea of what ~stats people should have. Skills won't can't allways outweigh lack in gear.

[Trakamoocow]

Note: It was a small part of my original post, and someone decided to get butthurt about it. And really, that was fine? Please don't be an english teacher :(.

But yeh, level 70 get gears go nutz. Then wotlk comes out and we do it all over again :p.

[Mazhulsage]

Ash: I did inspect them after we got into the instance, but the reason I assumed was because everyone said before we went in he was tanking, which even if he wasn't "tanking spec" everyone had said he was going to tank.

Trak, to me it looks like you're just trying to be insulting, there was no helpful or constructive critisism in your 3 posts.

I was never saying "LULZ I'M JUST DPS GUIS!" I was told INITIALLY that I would be DPSing. Also, the Feral tree isn't "tanking and OFF DPS" that's like generalising all people who have a healing tree to "GTF in the back of the raid and heal". I was fine with tanking, I was just not enjoying the way they were implying I should tank simply because he was insistant on NOT tanking. If you read what I said, I sucked it up and went to town on tanking and did perfectly fine at it, even though I do NOT have tanking gear as a 67 Feral Druid, since tanking gear truely comes into effect at 68-70.

I AM getting to 70, that's kind of the point of instancing... To get okay gear to start 70 with. I guess just hitting 70 is the entire goal in your mind, but it's about having fun in mine. I'll, use, as, many, commas, as, I, want, because, I'm, the, one, typing, this, out. If, you, don't, like, it, you, don't, have, to, read, it.

Edit: I even checked his posts, and guess what? He's a troll. Just check his posts, one of which are essentially just pure bashing right away, just as his posts in this thread are. Can someone give him a warning or something? He's out of line in 1/2 of his posts.

[Trakamoocow]

You looked at 3 posts and we're done? Plenty of my posts have been purely constructive. And the first post was 90% constructive. I'm blunt, I don't say things prettily, but I get my point across to anyone not trying to get butthurt about people who are direct.

P.S. So you request people to get warned these days? I always thought it up to the discretion of the forum moderators, rather than suggestions from random people. '

Instancing is a horrible way to level (if levelling is your aim). It can be good experience, especially if it is your first toon. I quizzed your spec as it sounds as if you're doing too many roles in the same instance.

You infer and read into what I said where there was nothing to read into. I was splitting up the trees into their relative, best uses (what was intended). This was meant to prevent confusion later on if you decided to go a particular spec and not getting groups/meeting with opposition. I don't know your level of understanding, so I impart mine.

Your sentence structure didn't read well to me at all. It was earlyish morning, but it really did give me a headache. I don't expect perfection, but a bit more readable and divvied up helps. A lot.

[Mazhulsage]

Yeah, you're blunt, you think that you're correct no matter the circumstance because YOU'RE the one who's saying it and you're the best person you know, obviously.

I'd rather you get warned by the help of me than them have to wait until you're insulting 80 more people and they realize it.

I am not aiming to level, I'm aiming to get gear while leveling, along with the fact that I have rested exp at all times and that means I just have to do that much less questing to get to 70, therefore more gold at 70.

I can type how I want, just as some people type "lol u r so dum dude i think u r stupid hey guys whuts up im good today i" etc etc. I type this way. I know for a fact I type fine, if you don't like it, as I said, you don't have to read what I wrote.

[Cerberus]

The main portion of your posts in this thread has been trolling Traka. Your views on how to enjoy this game isn't what Mazhul is asking for and you're not providing your PoV in a very nice way tbh. Needing moderators to draw the line for you isn't a good thing.

[Mazhulsage]

Thank you Cerberus, exactly, this was essentially just a rant post mixed with a "How do you deal with this stuff?" post. It isn't about "Oh, can you even spellcheck me?" or "Did I type everything exactly the way your eyes like guys?" no. Most of us got that, and I'm glad.

[Trakamoocow]

Projecting, drawing conclusions based on your own stilted perceptions of me, and um, you're assuming you're right, best person, blah blah (sticks back the other way too, sorry I didnt agree with everything you said). P.S. I never assume im right all the time, but this is fairly common/available information you can verify in just a few places if you really like (elitistjerks have the numbers on the specs, etcetera).

Cerb: Open your eyes, the first post wasn't just/mostly 'ebil'. Then I got crap back and yes, bit trolly after that. ps moderators draw line what? ive not *touch wood* been contacted at all.

If you took away the main point dearest mahzul you'd see, a mix of pvp and craftables will be far better, advance you far quicker, than farming level 65 blues. I cant claim the idea as my own, I think bliz intended the crafted epics to be a good starter set :( the bastards. So if you can move past your terribly hurt feelings, you'll see there was content in the post aside from commenting on your awesome english sk1llz0\2.

[Mazhulsage]

All right, apparently I'll be the bigger man and walk away from my own thread that I started... Ridiculous that I have to, but whatever stops the trolling.

[Ash Housewares]

whenever I make a post on these forums asking for help in some way, I tend to get a bunch of crap from people that don't know what theyre talking about and completely ignore the question that I ask


hey look traka can do that too

[Trakamoocow]

*Sigh* What do you do.... <<< Loaded, sounds arrogant, fairly 'woe is me im pretty awesome but what about these guys'. Yet most of my OP was helpful. Oh **** son, it wasn't suggesting a less efficient method to do something.

My bad, carry on. If bigger man is code for someone who can't accept information unless it's sugar coated with cherry kisses on top, then yes indeed, you're as big as they come.

[drewid]

Bit over the top on comma remark Trak. I think he was using them correctly, unlike how you have represented him using them.

No i dont think i was "Buthurt" lol. It was just an unnecessary comment that was not productive in any form, early morning or not.

It was a small part of my original post, and someone decided to get butthurt about it. And really, that was fine? Please don't be an english teacher :(.


Um, i think you are the only one trying to be an english teacher on a "Games" forum. May be its too hot in Brissy for you? especially in the mornings.

[Trakamoocow]

Your witty reparteé hath unmanned me goodsir. Well played.

[Tort]

You were unnecessarily rude to the guy, and the rest of us called you out on it. This isn't the official forums, we generally don't allow asshattery to go unnoticed.

And anyway, his original post was perfectly readable. Save your English lessons for the leet-speaking kiddies.

[Dhoum]

Back on topic:

About the only thing you can do when faced with a situation like that is either to leave the group or suck it up and try to rescue it. Clearly you did the latter, for which kudos to you. Just remember the Warrior's (and Mage's) name and make sure to avoid them in future.

[Trakamoocow]

..............

You were unnecessarily rude to the guy, and the rest of us called you out on it. This isn't the official forums, we generally don't allow asshattery to go unnoticed.

And anyway, his original post was perfectly readable. Save your English lessons for the leet-speaking kiddies.


qft.

[Arfus]

The best thing to do would Get a guild which is doing loads of Instances so you can get "Good" People not "Retards"

Also its awesome to Play with guildies :D you will play with them later aswell probably

[bloog]

Don't put too much expectations in current groups and new guilds. It's summer break, kiddies are at home grinding s1 epix. Go join a ZA pug, especially the ones "timed run, pro group". See what happens, just for fun. Expect to get kicked for not having enogh PvP epix. If you're allowed to stay try to get the 50% dps hallmark.

[Mazhulsage]

Since it seems he's gone... I even HAVE run some with just one Alliance guildy, and a couple 70 friends of his, and a random 68... We wiped worse than ever.

NORMAL guild runs will lead to easy loot and lots of fun had by all, lol, but usually when it's 0-1 guildy groups, I feel like "Prepare for the worst". (Btw, ding 70, S2 2H mace with +700 more attack power than my old weapon =P.)

[elsegundo]

wait what was this thread about? sorry, i thought i was in school for a sec.

[Mazhulsage]

Intially, about how do you deal with stressful instances? I mean, the things I include in my "trying to help" is of course buffing everyone with my best potions to the correct people, including agility potions, scrolls, etc.