PVE to PVP now allowed [Archive] - Unofficial World of Warcraft Forums

Eileithyia

12-09-2008, 10:18 AM

So they finally have allowed transfers possible from PVE to PVP. This is news to me, sorry if it’s been mentioned before.
Providing a smooth and enjoyable experience for all players is always a priority for us, and we are continually re-evaluating our policies and programs to do so. As the state of the game has matured substantially since the inception of Paid Character Transfers, we will now be allowing PvE-to-PvP transfers on a full-time basis to provide players with more mobility and freedom to easily play with their friends.
Linky Linky (http://www.wow-europe.com/en/index.xml)

Wartro

12-09-2008, 10:43 AM

so they finally have allowed transfers possible from pve to pvp. This is news to me, sorry if it’s been mentioned before.

linky linky (http://www.wow-europe.com/en/index.xml)

noooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They will own us all

kill all gnomes

Mazhulsage

12-09-2008, 11:28 AM

*Sigh* No clue why this "had to happen" other than money purposes and to stop the whine on the forums... There's no reason for it other than those 2. I'm a PvE player (main server) with a couple chars on a PvP server. Now, what's the point of me putting those chars on that PvP server and dealing with (even though they didn't happen very often) ganking while leveling up and doing just about anything?

The ONLY good thing that will come of this is that they'll most likely make a "No killing someone under 10 levels under you unless they attack you first" rule in the near future since there will be so much crying about it that it'll get through. That I'm going to be happy for.

Pisken

12-09-2008, 11:36 AM

I pity those that only played pve servers.... welcome to the pvp servers , and start the whining :)

And Maz "No killing someone under 10 levels......" hope it never happen .... somehow takes the edge of the pvp servers.

But i can admit (when leveling my alts) it can be tedious sometimes when get jumped while questing (and if you get jumped it usually it doesnt matter if they are 10 lvls above or not) .

Oh ...forgot , the daily questing on a pvp servers Island is WAAAAY much harder than on a pve one ...atleast I get ganked (or even raped by a group of allys) EVRY time im into do my dailys :P .... thats why we have to team up to make em less painfull .... but its fun to always have to watch your back , always have some drops of mana/life left , and not to mention KILL some poor allys along the road too :)

Cerberus

12-09-2008, 11:41 AM

I agree about the more money part ofc, but PvE servers are about to die out atm. Noone was willing to transfer to one if they were on PvP as they'd be stuck there forever. Simply allowing PvE->PvP should make things a bit easier on raidguilds on PvE servers but at this point chances are people simply will leave PvE servers as soon as they can. This change really came way to late imo.

Eileithyia

12-09-2008, 11:50 AM

Tunga

12-09-2008, 12:48 PM

I would rather level on a PvP server with all my mates than level on my own and then pay to move it over. It works both ways anyway, you get ganked sometimes but being able to attack people who are farming the mobs you want (or whatever) is useful too. Horses for courses and all that but this change really doesn't bother me in the slightest.

odinsnephew

12-09-2008, 12:51 PM

I have been toying with the idea of starting an alt on a pvp realm for sometime now, but the thought of not having any of my funds available always put me off.
I will probably move my 42 dormant rogue to one now with some spending money. I just got to choose a realm now.

Is your rogue Horde? If so you can come gank me on Boulderfist :grin:

Or join my Horde rogue on Karazhan and we could gank the Alliance. Well, if we could find the 2 of them on the server ;)

Eileithyia

12-09-2008, 01:11 PM

Is your rogue Horde? If so you can come gank me on Boulderfist :grin:

Or join my Horde rogue on Karazhan and we could gank the Alliance. Well, if we could find the 2 of them on the server ;)
Yes she Horde
Tough choice. Do I gank you, or gank with you? Think I will come and gank you. :grin:

I might take you up acctually and join you on Karazhan.

odinsnephew

12-09-2008, 02:16 PM

Yes she Horde
Tough choice. Do I gank you, or gank with you? Think I will come and gank you. :grin:

You and whose army? Haha

I might take you up acctually and join you on Karazhan.

Sweet :smiley: PM me if you do.

Shellar

12-09-2008, 06:00 PM

To all those who told me (time and time again) that Blizzard would never allow PvE-PvP transfers, and that I'm a fool for thinking otherwise:

MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

det

12-09-2008, 07:10 PM

My son recently decided to level a character on a pvp server. Yes he got ganked from time to time, but even in his limited hour that he is allowed to play in the evening it wasn't a big deal. People will more often team up and it seems to be a friendly place in general.

So at least for some servers you don't necessarily need to level in the saftey of PvE and then transfer.

clevins

12-09-2008, 07:53 PM

This will be, overall, a good thing. People always raised the specter of someone levelling on PvE and transferring to PvP to gank. I'm sure it will happen, but I doubt it will happen to a large degree. And that argument never really made sense... wahta bout the person who leveled PvP, transferred to PvE and wants to move back? And what about the person who leveled on a lowpop PvP server to minimize gankage? they can still move to a high pop PvP server where they would have been ganked more? Should Blizzard only allow moves between servers that had similar ganking rates?

This will open guild recruitment possibilities, let people join/rejoin friends and the inevitable problems will not, in fact, mean the end of the world.

Mazhulsage

13-09-2008, 02:39 AM

Ritsuko

13-09-2008, 08:12 AM

I'm glad. I've leveled all my characters on a pvp server but stupidly transfered my sunwell resto druid to a pve server becuse I wanted to kill KJ, not wipe on twins and muru week after week. I got SO bored of raiding..nothing to do after sunwell, i basically quit pve all together, but had to drop my drood because none of my friends transfered =((

Now can have my druid back =D

The main thing is is that we now have summoning stones, its not harder to get places on a pvp server as much anymore as it was release.
They made lvling in azeroth stupidly easy, and most 70s don't even spend time there anymore.
They put dailies in and pretty much gave everyone easy ways to get mats.
There just really is no reason to not let transfers back and forth. Our economies won't drop, ganking isn't going to get any worse then it was before. The general forums crashed from all the qqs as the gms just laughed at the people throwing fits.

Mazhulsage

13-09-2008, 09:01 PM

clevins

13-09-2008, 11:34 PM

And that's happened Maz? No? Then why create fake problems to QQ about?

det

13-09-2008, 11:45 PM

I don't see why they wouldn't make it "No more ganking 10+ levels below you, unless they attack you first." IMO it should've been made that way in the first place, except at the beginning of WoW which should've been 20ish. It takes no skill to kill someone 10+ levels below you unless they're VERY well geared and get lucky, and you suck.

Well, that has been discussed to death. Actually a fresh lv 70 in greens and blues would have as much of a chance against my T6 character as a lv 20 to a lv 30. And I would have no chance against 3 lv 70 teaming up against me.

Whichever way you look at it, somebody gets screwed. The Dishonerable kill system seemed good until people started hiding behind NPCs and have low levels stand in the front ranks in the ever populat Tarren Mill sieges (long long ago).

Leave world pvp as it is. It works for the majority of the people on the majority of servers. If it wouldn't, PvP servers would be empty, but in fact they foster the best (most sucessful) raid guilds.

And if you can't stand it, don't roll there. As Aerath once said "PvP on a PvP server? No waaaaaaay"

Aerath

14-09-2008, 01:10 AM

How is it QQ'ing? It's perfectly valid to want your server to not be filled with people from a realm that is essentially the opposite of how you play. If a PvP guild came onto a PvE server and started going "lulz pve relms r fr nubs pvp relms r so much bettr" I'd be angry. Now, imagine "omfg pvp relms r to hrd i git ganked lik evry 30 secinds! pve is bettr" yeah, annoying right?

So [censored] what. They spent money to get there, if they don't like it they can spend money to get the hell off. It's not my problem if they don't like a Ganking Game for a Beta ticket being run on the server.

And to a level 20 it makes little difference if the level 70 that killed him leveled on a PvE server or a PvP server.

Stop making problems when there's none.

This change was long overdue. PvE servers were dying, PvP servers were ahead in progress anyway and the Deathknights were gonna throw the whole leveling thing out the window anyway.

Mazhulsage

14-09-2008, 02:14 AM

Yes, yes it has happened. I've had multiple people come from PvP servers and go "wtf pve servers are bunny foofoo s**t". etc etc.

Det, so has the whole PvE to PvP server thing, and that's obviously been revived.

Exactly, the only reason why it's allowed is because of the money.

Cerberus

14-09-2008, 04:29 AM

The big issue used to be that people would level up on PvE and then transfer to PvP. They would get the benefits of being able to gank in Tarren Mill at 70 without having had to endure the 2 hours /played as PvP in STV. You've turned the original QQ upside down, it's simply not making any sense.

Everything to this day has shown that endgame progress, gearing up, questing, leveling, you name it has been just as easy on PvP. The thing that has been hard to account for is the fact that people on PvP servers seem to do a lot better at all these things. The real problem has been that noone seemed to want to play on PvE servers in the end as they come out so much worse in every way. This has lead to PvE servers dying.

Torik

14-09-2008, 05:08 AM

Exactly, the only reason why it's allowed is because of the money.

Of course this is also the same reason why it was not allowed before. Blizzard obviously never saw anything wrong with allowing the transfers but simply did not want to risk losing accounts because of a possible backlash. Now they figure that it really does not matter anymore so they are going ahead with it.

Shellar

14-09-2008, 10:21 AM

The majority of the game's PvP activity is already cross-realm, anyway.

det

14-09-2008, 10:51 AM

Exactly, the only reason why it's allowed is because of the money.

I think people here have mentioned perfectly valid reasons other than money. Servers dying out and stuff like that. If pvpers feel the pve server they transfered to is just weaksauce carebear, I gues enough PvE transfers will find their new PvP server too hot to handle.

And you can always test the waters with a new toon before you throw the transfer money at Blizzard.

Mazhulsage

14-09-2008, 01:35 PM

det

14-09-2008, 01:52 PM

Well, I took the "realms dying" as a valid reason as much as "It is only for the money".

My own realm (RPPvE) shows no sign of dying, which doesn't mean it isn't happening...or Blizzard hasn't been preasured to allow this transfer PvE->PvP by just a big amount of people begging for it.

So I am taking the word of other people as much as I have to take your word that it is only money that is the reason.

Mazhulsage

14-09-2008, 08:46 PM

Well, I'd certainly take 25 bucks per transfer over "Realms are dying... Sometimes... I mean, I can't name any specifically, but they are! Uhh, unless you exclude transfers from that realm to another realm..."

Aerath

14-09-2008, 10:12 PM

Yeah, with the minimum of 2 million US players, servers are obviously dying. No. I've seen servers not populated, absolutely. I haven't seen servers go from perfectly fine to dead, except with the whole "Realm change" situation.

Pray tell - have you actually *looked* at them ? Have you seen them go from Full to recommended ? Have you seen (such as in EU) entire realms being taken offline and prepared for WotLK ? No. You're talking about something you simply never paid attention to as it did not concern you.

People did *not* transfer to PvE servers because they were stuck. People trying to find competent Arena partners were rerolling from scratch because none in their right mind would come to their server. Entire guilds rerolled server (Juggernaut to Mal'ganis iirc, where they were back to the top of the raiding scene in 2 months) to get rid of the PvE tag.

But sure. PvE realms weren't dying at all.

clevins

14-09-2008, 11:03 PM

1) There's nothing wrong with money. Money is good. So even if the only reason that this is happening is money, I don't see an issue.

2) I'm not sure I buy the PvE servers are dying reason. I can see how it can happen - Players leave game on PvE server, only replenishment is from other PvE servers. But that holds for PvP servers too - they've only been able to get transfers from other PvP servers. IN fact, this has been even more true for PvP servers because, while people might not WANT to transfer PvP > PvE, they haven't even been ABLE to do the other way. So I don't see how this move helps PvE servers at all unless there's a lot of clamoring for people on PvP to move to PvE servers.

And who knows, it's possible that more dedicated players roll PvP. I actually think this would be a fascinating thing to study from an academic point of view if you could get access to Blizzard's data and do some interviews.

I only see this as good - artificial restrictions almost always are bad things.

Pharoahe

16-09-2008, 06:10 AM

To be honest, I'm glad this has happened. A week later, no one really cares. PvP realms always happen to have a % of users who think they are better than care-bears, but the lack of reaction to this story shows that most people couldnt care less.