Say good bye to your honor points/marks!

[wotdk]

Eyonix (http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10043252440) on the official WoW forums announces that all Honor points and marks will be reseted at the launch of the expansion. Use them while you can!
Blog post: WotLK PvP and Honor Changes ( http://wotdk.com/blog/2008/9/23/wotlk-pvp-and-honor-changes.html)

[elsegundo]

i expected that much. thanks though.

[prion]

wonder when that patch is coming.

[jschild]

They said mid October

[Maticus]

Yeah the Blizz guys said at the WWI that the content patch would be about 1 month before the expansion.

[prion]

thanks.

I hope you didn't have to read too much of that thread to get the info
o.0

"first page" -- how very enlightening, thanks for posting :p

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right, another question: is this only battlegrounds or does it include Hellfire/Nagrand marks?

[Khab]

Seems unnecessary to reset the stuff outside of arena.

[clevins]

They don't want people stocking up on honor and marks and being immediately in several pieces of PvP gear when hitting 80. I think they're trying to reset the gear gap so that you don't hit 80, go to Wintergrasp week 1 and get pwned by some guy who farmed honor for weeks before Wrath.

[MrBCorp]

At least they will be giving you the opportunity to buy some new things next content patch.

[dwarfenhelm]

they did this just before bc came out with a complete change to bg rank system,i had a cpl with a few wsg,av marks then after a patch i had no marks or honour though i got to keep my rankthis way we all get a fair start at the new expansion. i know tons of players with 100 marks for every bg in bank tons of marks in post box and 75k honour, new season = new gear. for those of us who rush like mad to 80 the bg's and arena will be a fresh start and down to skill lvl again before pvp gear comes into play

[WatcherZero]

They didnt reset for BC, I kept all my honor and tokens. But in those days everyone had fewer tokens and the 70,000 honor cap was equivalent to 2.5 items, so if you maxed it out you could only buy a couple of blues on reaching 70. Nowadays im not sure about the honor cap but rewards a re a damn site cheaper and everyone has stockpiled marks they just cant get rid of so it could be more of a problem.

[Khab]

I sure hope they put some lower level items in there. Not everyone has 20,000+ honor to spend. I'll be pissed if I can't use my points on something useful. They should let you trade in 1000 honor for 10G (up to 200G), that would be something I would do.

[Gameliel]

I think the 3.0 patch is going to be next week, folks -- I've heard reports of the patch already in the process of downloading via the Blizzard Downloader.

Thus, you better spend those points NOW.

[Khab]

It's more than reports and it's only a pre-patch. It means nothing. I've had it downloaded for a while now.

The points are not going away in the patch, they go away in the expansion.

[Tunga]

wonder when that patch is coming.Note that this reset will happen with the WotLK launch patch and not with the 3.0 pre-release patch.

[Your Average WoW Player]

I think the 3.0 patch is going to be next week, folks -- I've heard reports of the patch already in the process of downloading via the Blizzard Downloader.

Thus, you better spend those points NOW.

This doesn't mean anything about the release of a patch.

I've had the background downloader downloading for like a week, it finishes, and the patch doesn't come out for another month after I finish with the background downloader.

[Tunga]

And it doesn't matter anyway since the Honor reset isn't in that patch.

[Kasal]

Incoming QQ.

I don't understand the rationale that assumes players with stockpiled honor and marks have an unfair advantage. In fact, it's a stupid argument, if we want to call a spade a spade. The expansion is 2 months away, and everyone has known about for it for months before this. Everyone has the option to plan ahead by accumulating marks and honor, so where is the unfair advantage?

I tend to agree with this statement made by someone on the official forums, even despite its exaggeration for effect: "Well, if Blizzard is so concerned about "unfair advantages" in WOTLK, they might as well go all out - let's delete everyone's gold in November, too. Hmm, but they'll still have their epics...better get rid of all of those, too, or some people will level faster than others, which is clearly unfair. Come to think of it, already being at 70 is a big advantage. Better just reset all characters to level 1, that way everything is nice and fair for everyone."

No, it isn't the end of the world. It's just a decision I disagree with. Even if it was only a single small furry paw, there is no good reason to take away anything that represents an investment of time for anyone, simply because of the new expansion.

[Reverendi]

I'm on the fence on this one. On the one hand, I only PvP very infrequently, perhaps a couple of hours or so a month, and the thought of maybe getting one or two pieces of kit from it was quite nice, seeing as I haven't made the foray into the world of raiding yet. I feel a little like my hand is being forced now, either knuckle down hard and accrue those marks and honour before the expansion, or lose what I have already earned.

On the other hand...I see Blizzard's reasoning, it will give people who are stockpiling a boost when the expansion releases. I see this in some respects as not allowing flying mounts from the onset, they want people to discover the content over time, rather than seeing all their is to see a few short hours after release. And also, when I said my hand was being forced somewhat...well, that's still my choice, isn't it? They haven't stripped me of the choice as to whether I stay up until 5am weekends, cackling like a madman and promising myself just one more win, or sit back and just continue to enjoy the game at my own pace.

So congratulations to me for an entirely indesicive post! Khab's idea of in-game financial recompense for honour seemed like a good one though, as I do feel like I may have almost gnashed my teeth into paste on the odd occasion I have done Arathi basin matches, captured a location with a group, then been left watching their dust as they all zerg off to the next one...If only to recoup the costs for my swearbox at times such as that.

[clevins]

This doesn't mean anything about the release of a patch.

I've had the background downloader downloading for like a week, it finishes, and the patch doesn't come out for another month after I finish with the background downloader.

NOTE: the reset happens with Wrath, NOT the patch.

I sure hope they put some lower level items in there. Not everyone has 20,000+ honor to spend. I'll be pissed if I can't use my points on something useful. They should let you trade in 1000 honor for 10G (up to 200G), that would be something I would do.

The epic 70 PvP items cost mostly 14.5K and up. If you have 2000 honor, this is irrelevant - you don't have enough to buy anything anyway. And they're putting new items in with the patch so that you can buy some things if you have most of the gear now. They're not taking things away. They're saying "spend them before the release of Wrath" And please... 1000 honor is 2-3 AVs. I mean, you're not REALLY going to whine that the honro from 2 AVs might go away are you?

I can just hear all of you if they DIDN'T do this. "I hit 80, went into the BGs and these guys had all of the new gear and one shotted me!!! QQ!!!! Blizzard should have reset poinst!!!!

This makes it a level playing field at 80. No one will have the new gear the day they hit 80 - we'll all have to start getting it from the ground up.

[Trakamoocow]

The idea this needs to be a level playing field is flawed, and remains the fundamental flaw in peoples logic when handling MMOs especially. It is effort based. The effort to accrue this honour went in, the reward is a couple of starter epics at 80. After all the effort, I wouldn't deny the people the gear?

(Note: I'm not accruing honour points for this, at all. Mainly PvE gamer).

Tbh im not sure what I would do with Arena, were I blizz. On one hand, no tournament 'carries over' points into another season. But you'd like something if you had serious leftover points. Or were the overall Champeens for your battlegroup.

But an open ended system like battleground PvP doesn't have this justification backing it up. Face it, WotLK isn't a surprise. 'Oh, but all the new players in wotlk!'. By the time they get to 80, they'll already be disadvantaged. Same as everyone who levels a pvp alt. You put up with it, get the points and get competitive. Taking away effort is a bad decision, imho.

P.S. Is Eyonix their fall guy? He seems to get all the bad press releases :p.

[clevins]

The idea this needs to be a level playing field is flawed, and remains the fundamental flaw in peoples logic when handling MMOs especially. It is effort based. The effort to accrue this honour went in, the reward is a couple of starter epics at 80. After all the effort, I wouldn't deny the people the gear?
:p.


No, it's not flawed. They've told you that it's happening. You can continue to BG, but you are on notice that the honor will reset. Don't need more gear right now? Fine, they'll have some stuff in the 3.0 patch. Don't care about that? OK, BG for fun or don't BG at all.

But you're NOT being denied the gear. You're just being told that the honor you get pre-Wrath will not carry over. This is like resetting DKP when moving tiers - you get people to spend it on T5 stuff so that they don't enter T6 and grab all the good stuff.

You can still BG from 71-80... But you don't get to start with a big advantage from Day 1.

[jamesisgreat]

They've told us that it's happening, but a few months too late. Why didn't they tell us this when they told us they were resetting arena points? People on the official forums have been asking about this for a while, and we even had a blue post that honor wouldn't be reset.
I'm not a massive pvp'er myself but have been doing the odd BG for the last few months and am sitting on around 25k honor points. What a waste of my time that was. That's why I'm annoyed - the amount of time I've spent in BG's recently for no reason when I could have been doing something constructive like farming gold! I thought my honor points were an investment, just like gold. I mean, imagine if they said that 'to make an even playing field in Wrath, you will have only be able to spend Northrend gold nuggets. Any normal gold you have saved at the release will be reset to 0.' That'd go down well....
And the items that are being offered as compensation are a joke - they'll be replaced in a level or two, so whats the point of that? Now if they were offering a new pet, mount, anything fun that I'd keep, that'd be different.

I agree with the idea behind this reset, but the execution of it is just awful!

[clevins]

25k? And you're in full S2 or better? Because... at's about 2 pieces of S2.

[Trakamoocow]

^^ as james said, the change stinks because they verified it WOULDN'T be happening, then incredibly close to patch date (after people had been busy squirreling away the points) took it back.

NO TAKE BACKS BLIZZ!! :p.

[Kasal]

NOTE: the reset happens with Wrath, NOT the patch.



The epic 70 PvP items cost mostly 14.5K and up. If you have 2000 honor, this is irrelevant - you don't have enough to buy anything anyway. And they're putting new items in with the patch so that you can buy some things if you have most of the gear now. They're not taking things away. They're saying "spend them before the release of Wrath" And please... 1000 honor is 2-3 AVs. I mean, you're not REALLY going to whine that the honro from 2 AVs might go away are you?

I can just hear all of you if they DIDN'T do this. "I hit 80, went into the BGs and these guys had all of the new gear and one shotted me!!! QQ!!!! Blizzard should have reset poinst!!!!

This makes it a level playing field at 80. No one will have the new gear the day they hit 80 - we'll all have to start getting it from the ground up.

Well, I spent a considerable number of hours, foolishly perhaps, stockpiling 75000 honor points and 100 of each mark. I considered it planning ahead. I guess I just don't see why I shouldn't have the option of deciding when I spend those points, be it the day before the xpac comes out or the day I hit 80. To appease those who had the same opportunity and chose not to do so? And it's not like those points would fully gear me up, anyway. Maybe 4 pieces, 5 if I'm lucky.

I've got the full S2 set with gems, so unless there's something to buy in the next patch that isn't Level 80, or isn't merely a vanity mount or some such nonsense, those points are worthless. And come November 14 they're gone. That sounds to me like they are indeed "taking something away".

[Shellar]

Incoming QQ.

I don't understand the rationale that assumes players with stockpiled honor and marks have an unfair advantage. In fact, it's a stupid argument, if we want to call a spade a spade. The expansion is 2 months away, and everyone has known about for it for months before this. Everyone has the option to plan ahead by accumulating marks and honor, so where is the unfair advantage?

I tend to agree with this statement made by someone on the official forums, even despite its exaggeration for effect: "Well, if Blizzard is so concerned about "unfair advantages" in WOTLK, they might as well go all out - let's delete everyone's gold in November, too. Hmm, but they'll still have their epics...better get rid of all of those, too, or some people will level faster than others, which is clearly unfair. Come to think of it, already being at 70 is a big advantage. Better just reset all characters to level 1, that way everything is nice and fair for everyone."
They don't delete gold because gold is a factor in both PvE and PvP, while marks and honor are PvP-specific. Only the PvP sphere of the game gets a full reset.

[Tort]

I can think of another option they might could have considered. Maybe allow everyone to keep their 75k honor, but at level 80 make the new battleground gear cost about 50k each (with an appropriate increase in the rate of honor received, starting at level 80). This way, those who stockpiled honor now can still buy one, maybe two pieces at 80, but this wouldn't give them an overwhelming or game-breaking advantage right at 80.

I also agree they should have announced this much sooner. Announcing this a month and a half before release is really kinda a slap in the face for the players who have been grinding honor for the last few months.

[Tunga]

Yeah I thought that too, increase the Honor cap at 80 and the Honor level-coefficients between 71 and 80 and then people haven't "wasted" their "effort".

[Etrin]

what is this about months ago they said there would be no reset?
There was no reset on the last expansion. What has changed besides they want more grinding?
I have only got the 2 swords for my rogue. Now I have 28K and I can't believe I can't find anything worth a damn to spend it on.
I was looking for gear to get me started in the next expansion...so buy something or loose it...thanks buzzard
good thing I didn't waste more time grinding EOTS


wonder what these are going to cost?
Binds when picked up
Back
130 Armor
+42 Stamina
Requires Level 70
Equip: Improves critical strike rating by 26 (1.18% @ L70).
Equip: Improves your resilience rating by 20 (0.51% @ L70).
Equip: Increases attack power by 56.
Equip: Increases your armor penetration rating by 18

Binds when picked up
Trinket
Requires Level 70
Equip: Increases attack power by 120.
Use: Increases maximum health by 1750 for 15 sec. Shares cooldown with other Battlemaster's trinkets. (3 Min Cooldown)

[Torik]

I can think of another option they might could have considered. Maybe allow everyone to keep their 75k honor, but at level 80 make the new battleground gear cost about 50k each (with an appropriate increase in the rate of honor received, starting at level 80). This way, those who stockpiled honor now can still buy one, maybe two pieces at 80, but this wouldn't give them an overwhelming or game-breaking advantage right at 80.

I also agree they should have announced this much sooner. Announcing this a month and a half before release is really kinda a slap in the face for the players who have been grinding honor for the last few months.

The way I see it there is 'lvl70 honor' and lvl80 honor'. The first is used to buy lv70 gear and the other lv80 gear. Blizzard simply did not want to introduce a second honor metric.

They could have inflated the honour required for lv80 gear and by way more than what Tort suggests. They could make a basic lv80 PvP item cost like 1,000,000 honor and increase honor gain to like 50,000 per BG. That would pretty much make any honor savings from pre-patch moot.

[thefrozenpanda]

I'd be happier if they made the honor gained from "playing" WSG, EotS, and AB worth it.

[Shellar]

wonder what these are going to cost?
35K honor, I believe.

[mcbobbo]

Eyonix (http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10043252440) on the official WoW forums announces that all Honor points and marks will be reseted at the launch of the expansion. Use them while you can!
Blog post: WotLK PvP and Honor Changes ( http://wotdk.com/blog/2008/9/23/wotlk-pvp-and-honor-changes.html)

I was skeptical about MARKS getting wiped, because they aren't mentioned in the link post at all.

Then I found this one:

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10043242937&postId=104820051052&sid=1#144

Yes, 'honor and marks'.

[jamesisgreat]

Oh god - i'd forgotten about the marks wipe as well! Why are they doing that? The thought of farming any of those bloody things apart from AV makes me die inside! I'm Alliance - outside AV, 1 BG = 1 mark..... :(

[Kasal]

Oh god - i'd forgotten about the marks wipe as well! Why are they doing that? The thought of farming any of those bloody things apart from AV makes me die inside! I'm Alliance - outside AV, 1 BG = 1 mark..... :(

If you had asked me two weeks ago, I would have told you I was really looking forward to the new expansion. Now I don't know. I'm done with BG's, that much is certain. And after this, I might just be done with WoW altogether. After two years the game was starting to get old to me anyway, and this might be just the thing to push me past the line once and for all.

[Kiwago]

so I have a question(who doesn't) I am a tauren and no offense but kodos are kinda lame looking, so I'm saving up marks for the raptor, i already have the 30 wsg and ab marks so I'm just waiting to hit 50 or is it 51? to hit up AV and get the marks, in the new expansion will my wsg and ab marks be reset too? or is it just the stuff you use to buy the stuff thats for 70's? cause i know that 30 marks really isnt that much but I'd much rather just get my AV marks get my raptor and get on with my happy little PvE exsistence....

[clevins]

so I have a question(who doesn't) I am a tauren and no offense but kodos are kinda lame looking, so I'm saving up marks for the raptor, i already have the 30 wsg and ab marks so I'm just waiting to hit 50 or is it 51? to hit up AV and get the marks, in the new expansion will my wsg and ab marks be reset too? or is it just the stuff you use to buy the stuff thats for 70's? cause i know that 30 marks really isnt that much but I'd much rather just get my AV marks get my raptor and get on with my happy little PvE exsistence....

As far as I can tell the marks will all be reset. If you buy the raptor before the expansion though, you'll be fine .

[prion]

does anyone know if this includes hellfire/nagrand marks? since these are a completely different system and would have no bearing in northrend.

[Wintrow]

I'd expect those to stay. But I don't actually KNOW :grin:.

[jschild]

There is no reason for those to reset, since the gear from them is limited.

[Super Sneaky Steve]

I'm pretty mad about this change and I think it's unfair. Here's why.

Everyone has had equal time to stockpile points. We all know about the exp so everyone has had that opportunity if that's what they wanted to do.

What they are doing now is taking away something that was earned. And that is unfair. Everyone stockpiles for the new arena season, this is the same thing. It's a new season with a few more levels involved.

All this does is make it pointless to play any of my 70's now. Might as well go level my alts.

[jschild]

I'm very conflicted on this. I understand the reasoning behind it because someone could stockpile honor and marks and get 3-4 top pieces of PvP gear (including weapon) the second it comes out. The arena comparison is limited however as they reset the rankings every season and many pieces of gear REQUIRE a certain rating which limits what can be done.

They are at least giving us new gear, that is extremely powerful vs. current gear from BG's.

Perhaps instead they could add BG rankings to prevent the 80's from instantly getting gear. Not quite as strict as Arena gear, but "points" that have to be accumilated at level 80 get gear. These "points" would never be spent, they would only be a requirement to get gear and once that requirement is met, ALL gear would become available.

[Super Sneaky Steve]

What's the big deal about instantly getting gear? Within a week of S4 you had full brutal warriors smashing the crap out of people in the 1500 bracket.

Lets say they do wipe everything clean. You know there will be a fair amount of people either through hard work or bots that will farm 70K honor overnight or within a week tops.

All you're doing is hurting casual players who over time stocked up on points. The idiot botters will be the ones with all the epics the very next day.

[jschild]

What's the big deal about instantly getting gear? Within a week of S4 you had full brutal warriors smashing the crap out of people in the 1500 bracket.

If they had full S4, then they had to meet the minimum requirements for all that gear. Arena gear has minimum requirements that you must meet to get. Not just anyone can get it, so please don't act like anyone can.

Lets say they do wipe everything clean. You know there will be a fair amount of people either through hard work or bots that will farm 70K honor overnight or within a week tops.

Just because someone gets it faster than you does not mean they did less work to get it. It will require the same amount of work, whether you play 10 hours a day or 1 hour. 100 hours is about what it will take for most people to hit 70k honor.

No one will get 70k the next day.

EDIT: Some new news regarding it...

Update:
All of the gems that can be purchased with honor will have the Bind on Pickup and Unique-Equipped tags removed so multiples of them can be equipped and they can be traded (or auctioned). The new items that will be available are

[Torik]

I'm pretty mad about this change and I think it's unfair. Here's why.

Everyone has had equal time to stockpile points. We all know about the exp so everyone has had that opportunity if that's what they wanted to do.

What they are doing now is taking away something that was earned. And that is unfair. Everyone stockpiles for the new arena season, this is the same thing. It's a new season with a few more levels involved.

All this does is make it pointless to play any of my 70's now. Might as well go level my alts.

You are still free to spend your lvl70 honor on lv70 gear. In fact thy are adding more level 70 gear so you have something to spend your saved up honor on.

Blizzard never promised that you would be able to spend your level 70 honor on level 80 gear.

[jschild]

You are still free to spend your lvl70 honor on lv70 gear. In fact thy are adding more level 70 gear so you have something to spend your saved up honor on.

Calling that new gear level 70 is nice. Its more like S4+ gear for honor.

[jamesisgreat]

Sigh - why would we want to be spending anything (gold, honor, whatever) on gear for a lvl 70 at the moment when it will be obsolete in a few weeks? The whole point is that everyone that was saving up honor and tokens was doing so to make starting pvping at end game that little less painful.
"Blizzard never promised that you would be able to spend your level 70 honor on level 80 gear." - but they did say that honor wouldn't be wiped, and now a few weeks before the expansion they've changed their minds and we've all wasted hours or our time. That's why we're pissed off - not so much the honor wipe (though I think its ultimately pointless myself) but the complete lack of prior warning.

On a side note, now all PvP gear will allegedly have arena point requirements on it. So if you want to BG, you either arena or die very very quickly. Seeing as I don't like arena, I guess it's the end of PvP for me.

And before anyone says ' lake wintergrasp awards arena points' - it doesn't in the live version, only in the beta.

[jschild]

Sigh - why would we want to be spending anything (gold, honor, whatever) on gear for a lvl 70 at the moment when it will be obsolete in a few weeks?

Because those new items will likely last you to 80. They are not minor upgrades but massive. 60 crit rating? 120 AP? on a trinket? that is nothing to sneeze at.

now all PvP gear will allegedly have arena point requirements on it. So if you want to BG, you either arena or die very very quickly. Seeing as I don't like arena, I guess it's the end of PvP for me.

This is not true, only the higher levels have any AR rating. However, they all require Arena points. Given that you only have to do 10 games a month, that isn't much. IE, the first level is like S2 currently, while the 2 higher levels are like S3 and S4.

[WatcherZero]

Their not that big an upgrade that they could last you to 80, their iLevel 156 which is around the best tier 6 gear level. As a comparison 80 gear levels are iLvl 200, 213, 226.

So to put it into perspective these are the best you can get at the moment but only half the diffrence between a kara epic and a level 80 epic. so they should last you till around 75/76.

[jamesisgreat]

"Given that you only have to do 10 games a month" - that was my point - I don't want to be forced to do any arenas to compete in a BG. I (and most people by the look of other forums/ blogs) were much happier when BG and arenas were separate parts of WoW, with separate awards bought by separate point systems.

As someone on another site so succinctly put it:

"If I instance I get instance gear. If I raid I get raid gear. If I do daily rep quests I get rep rewards.
If I do battlegrounds I'll get... nothing? Honor points I can't even spend? WTF is the point of battlegrounds then? I don't care for arenas but I'm forced to win those arenas to wear the gear I'm supposed to get from BGs?"

I'm sure Blizzard have their reasons for this change (to make the whole arena ladder system work better, they need a bunch of low rated craptastic teams?) but these 2 changes have really put me off playing any BGs in the expansion. Ah well.

[jschild]

"Given that you only have to do 10 games a month" - that was my point - I don't want to be forced to do any arenas to compete in a BG. I (and most people by the look of other forums/ blogs) were much happier when BG and arenas were separate parts of WoW, with separate awards bought by separate point systems.

Correction for myself, it is 10 games a week, not a month. I would prefer they be kept seperate also, but apparently Blizzard wants more PvP crossover. Enspecially since for many classes, the PvP gear is also great for PvE. I can get extremely powerful weapons and gear, without stepping into a single raid. I'm currently geared above kara (have to switch a few things to keep 95 hit, but still easily exceed Kara stats) without even hitting it. Blizz apparently wants us to work harder and do arena's too, if we want gear of that caliber.

[jamesisgreat]

Fair enough - but couldn't they just make BG rewards a bit crappier than raid and arena rewards? There's no need to throw the murloc out with the bathwater, as it were!

[Shellar]

I think Lake Wintergrasp can provide both honor and arena points for completing its objectives, but I have no idea if that's a temporary beta workaround, or a permanent concept that will make it to live.

[prion]

ten arena matches a week is a lot for some people (specifically the people who don't want to do arena at all)

dunno, have to wait and see i guess...doesn't look good...

[jamesisgreat]

I've read several places that Lake Wintergrasp awarding arena points is temporary for beta. It will just reward honor in the live version :(

[Shellar]

ten arena matches a week is a lot for some people (specifically the people who don't want to do arena at all)
To be fair, losing 10 matches takes very little time nowadays, ever since they fixed the queue time during that anti-pointselling campaign. The biggest time investment is actually flying to Nagrand to buy/turn in your team charter.

[clevins]

To be fair, losing 10 matches takes very little time nowadays, ever since they fixed the queue time during that anti-pointselling campaign. The biggest time investment is actually flying to Nagrand to buy/turn in your team charter.

But that's not the point. You need to 1) find a person to at least do 2v2, 2) you need play at the same time as that person and play 10 game.

It's just one more artificial piece of crap that they're doing to force Arena into the game. Look, if I wanted to Arena, I WOULD. I like PUGging BGs every once in a while and have done well enough that I'm in pretty much full S2. I'm fine with not having the latest and best of everything... but if I fall so far behind that I'm a free HK to anyone who DOES Arena and BG, then guess what? it's one less thing I'll do and it's one more step to quitting the game.

[Shellar]

You even don't need to actually play those 10 games - after 2.4, not entering the Arena match once your turn in the queue has come up counts as a played (and lost) game. This means that, once your Arena partner has signed your charter, he or she can go questing, grinding, farming, doing dailies, etc., and click 'Hide' on the pop-up window every couple of minutes.

[clevins]

Honestly, that just makes me hate Arena even more. I mean, thanks for the tip, but what's the point of s system where you can get rewards for not even zoning in? /sigh

[jamesisgreat]

OK - well this is one good thing - the honor points are not being reset (according to Bornakk on the official forums).

Now if we can just 'convince' Blizzard to remove arena requirements from BG gear...... :)

[Ceredwynn]

buahah yeah i already used up all mine. ill stick to pve gear from now till after they reset.

[Caderbery]

Does anyone have a link to where blizzard says you need to do arena to be able to buy BG gear, Ive been looking but i cant find anything.

[jschild]

There is no longer BG gear. All gear requires BG AND Arena. There is 3 levels of gear. Essentially unrated, low-rated, and high rated gear.