Questions About Armour/Weapons!

[Vanchatron]

I am new to the game and have several questions regarding Armour/Weapons:


- What is the MAX armour for Warriors? In my previous game, Guild Wars, the max armour (per piece) was 60 for casters, 70 for rangers & 80 for melee classes. Does WoW incorporate something similar?

- Same as above, but for weapons this time (mainly swords as that's what I'm using). In GW, max dmg of a sword was 15-22. What is it for WoW?

- This is just an example... Let's say in WoW there was a sword called "The Forgotten Sword". Would all swords of this name have the exact same stats, or would some swords have different stats even though they share the same name? E.g. In Guild Wars, weapons could have all sorts of mods on them & were valued differently depending on which mods they had, even if they had the same name... (E.g. A "Crystalline Sword" will look the same & have the same name, but the mods on it can be changed, therefore making it worth more or less). Whereas on Runescape (another MMO), all the weapons of the same name have exactly the same stats (e.g. a Dragon Battleaxe would have the same stats as any other Dragon Battleaxe in the game).


Hopefully I've worded it all properly, if there's something you don't understand please let me know, as I'd like to get these questions answered as soon as possible.

Thanks a lot.

[clevins]

There's no preset max limit of armor or damage. Armor is classed...t here's cloth, leather, mail and plate. As you might expect, plate has more armor at the same level than cloth, etc. Weapons are similar - higher level and better weapons have more damage, but there's not an upper limit.

remember, WoW is a level based system and EVERYTHING reflects that. WEapons and armor typically require a certain level in order to equip them, so yes, there are swords with MUCH more damage than your level 15 Sword of Something... but that epic sword might require you to be level 70 in order to equip it. As you level, you can get better armor and better weapons and your character becomes more powerful as well.

As for items with the same name.... Any two items with the EXACT SAME NAME will be identical. This is complicated a bit because some weapons have the same base name but a different suffix. So you might see a Crystal Sword Of the Monkey and a Crystal Sword Of the Whale. The "of the..." part tunes the stats on the weapon. They have the same damage, but the Monkey version might have more agility whereas the Whale might have more stamina. Thus you want to learn what stats are good for your class and watch for those.

[Vanchatron]

So does this mean there could be somebody walking around with a piece of armour that has an armour rating of 99999999999 & a weapon that has 99999999 DPS on it? Surely it's got to end somewhere, i.e. MAX .

I only ask because I like to think ahead and when I finally do get enough cash to buy some really decent armour, I'd like to know what the Max armour rating is, so that I can go about buying that particular piece of armour with that max armour rating. Let's say I was to get to level 70 and get some really nice armour... What'd be playing on my mind is that somewhere out there, there could be some even better armour with a better armour rating & I'd want to get that instead. In the end I'll probably do some PvP with my character and I'd assume that every little bit extra helps in PvP so I'd naturally WANT that little bit extra, providing I had the cash for it. Hopefully you can understand where I'm coming from.


Thanks for answering all the rest ^^

[pearcehart]

I would say, no, there is no set max because there are several items that will boost armor class, enchantments, potions, trinkets, rings, etc. The ratings are very fluid depending on what you are able or have equipped.

[Vanchatron]

I would say, no, there is no set max because there are several items that will boost armor class, enchantments, potions, trinkets, rings, etc. The ratings are very fluid depending on what you are able or have equipped.

What I mean is, a max armour rating before any buffs/potions are applied.

[clevins]

No. There's no max. You won't find someone with 1 million armor simply because there are do items that give that much armor. But it's not a game limit.

And don't take this wrong but... who cares? Go play the game.

[Vanchatron]

No. There's no max. You won't find someone with 1 million armor simply because there are do items that give that much armor. But it's not a game limit.

And don't take this wrong but... who cares? Go play the game.

Meh, I guess. I'm just so used to other MMO's having a Max Armour that everybody strives to afford/get.

[Kiwago]

Meh, I guess. I'm just so used to other MMO's having a Max Armour that everybody strives to afford/get.

ok i see where you're coming form cause I've played the games you referenced, so you say you wanna PvP right? well in that case you're gonna wanna get arena gear, its made for people who PvP (i.e. more resilience and things that you'd want in PvP) and unless you PvP for honor/points/marks for a really long time there will be someone with better amour than you. but unlike say runescape where if you dont have the most insanely expensive/epic amour you'll get owned, in WoW gear is still still important but ability is waaay more important, although you still need good gear =P but yah the gear you get when you first hit 70 will not be as good as the gear you have after playing for a couple months... hope that helped...

[Vanchatron]

ok i see where you're coming form cause I've played the games you referenced, so you say you wanna PvP right? well in that case you're gonna wanna get arena gear, its made for people who PvP (i.e. more resilience and things that you'd want in PvP) and unless you PvP for honor/points/marks for a really long time there will be someone with better amour than you. but unlike say runescape where if you dont have the most insanely expensive/epic amour you'll get owned, in WoW gear is still still important but ability is waaay more important, although you still need good gear =P but yah the gear you get when you first hit 70 will not be as good as the gear you have after playing for a couple months... hope that helped...

Oh that's cool. So I can have a separate set of gear for sole PvP purposes? Does this cost as much as PvE gear?

[clevins]

neither really costs... well.. kind of. Lemme explain.

You can craft some armor and weapons. Some of the stuff you make binds itself to you when you create it, meaning that you can't give it to anyone else or sell it, so you create it if it's something good for you. Other pieces do not do this, so you can sell them or, of course, buy them from someone else. All of the things you can craft are really better for PvE.

You will also get PvE gear as quest rewards and as drops in dungeons. The drops are usually better gear than the quest rewards with gear from raids (10 and 25 person dungeons) being still better. There's a progression of raids, so gear from later raids is better than that from entry level raids.

PvP gear you earn through PvPing. You can do battlegrounds (BGs) for honor and marks (marks are a form of currency). You can buy some very good PvP gear this way. YOu can get even better gear in Arenas. You can hit wowwiki.com for details on BGs and Arenas.

[dexterhall]

I only ask because I like to think ahead and when I finally do get enough cash to buy some really decent armour...

You can't buy the best gear, usually that's bind on pickup items from raid bosses. These bosses(and 5-man bosses) also drop some kind of badges or tokens, that you can trade in for gear, but it still requires you to do instances of some kind, or similarly do battlegrounds and arenas for honor, marks, and rating. Basically you need a certain level and gear stats to go these places, so it's a natural progression.

[Erinion]

Items with the same name will not always have the same stats. An example is occasionally you see "something of the monkey" with +2 stamina and +2 agility. Another "something of the monkey" will have +3 stamina and +2 agility. This happens every now and again and it's always worth checking as although the second one is more expensive in the auction house (usually)...it should be worth the extra gold for that extra stat.

[clevins]

Items with the same name will not always have the same stats. An example is occasionally you see "something of the monkey" with +2 stamina and +2 agility. Another "something of the monkey" will have +3 stamina and +2 agility. This happens every now and again and it's always worth checking as although the second one is more expensive in the auction house (usually)...it should be worth the extra gold for that extra stat.


But in those cases they DON'T have the same name. As I noted above, yeah, the suffixes matter (good example, too), but items with the same EXACT name will always have the same stats. So a Something of the Monkey will always have the same stats as another Something of the Monkey.

[Kiwago]

Oh that's cool. So I can have a separate set of gear for sole PvP purposes? Does this cost as much as PvE gear?


dude think of it this way, PvP gear is like castle wars rewards only waaay better and lets say PvE gear is like if king black dragon dropped a full armor set that was made so you could kill him and other big bosses easier

[Vanchatron]

dude think of it this way, PvP gear is like castle wars rewards only waaay better and lets say PvE gear is like if king black dragon dropped a full armor set that was made so you could kill him and other big bosses easier

^^ Got it xD

Thanks guys, great help!

[Kiwago]

^^ Got it xD

Thanks guys, great help!

No problem, I always hate when I start a new game and the whole system is completely different from what I've just come from...

[Erinion]

But in those cases they DON'T have the same name. As I noted above, yeah, the suffixes matter (good example, too), but items with the same EXACT name will always have the same stats. So a Something of the Monkey will always have the same stats as another Something of the Monkey.

Not ALWAYS!!....Thats the point I'm trying to make.

You CAN have 2 things with exactly the same name and have one with a slightly better stat. I've seen it a few times and I've also seen it where the +2 stamina and +3 agility (for example) can be switched to +3 stamina and +2 agility on EXACTLY the same item.

Examples - I'm actually looking at these on the Lightbringer EU auction house right now.

Elder's Hat of Fiery Wrath = +19 fire spell damage - 22g buyout
Elder's Hat of Fiery Wrath = +20 fire spell damage - 28g buyout

Elder's Hat of the Owl = +9 int, +9 spirit - 22g buyout
Elder's Hat of the Owl = +8 int, +9 spirit - 22g buyout

Ivycloth Pants of the Eagle = +7 int, +6 stam - 7g buyout
Ivycloth Pants of the Eagle = +7 int, +7 stam - 7g 50s buyout

Sage's Boots of the Eagle = +6 int, +5 stam - 4g99s buyout
Sage's Boots of the Eagle = +5 int, +5 stam - 10g buyout

Shall I go on??

[Kiwago]

Not ALWAYS!!....Thats the point I'm trying to make.

You CAN have 2 things with exactly the same name and have one with a slightly better stat. I've seen it a few times and I've also seen it where the +2 stamina and +3 agility (for example) can be switched to +3 stamina and +2 agility on EXACTLY the same item.

Examples - I'm actually looking at these on the Lightbringer EU auction house right now.

Elder's Hat of Fiery Wrath = +19 fire spell damage - 22g buyout
Elder's Hat of Fiery Wrath = +20 fire spell damage - 28g buyout

Elder's Hat of the Owl = +9 int, +9 spirit - 22g buyout
Elder's Hat of the Owl = +8 int, +9 spirit - 22g buyout

Ivycloth Pants of the Eagle = +7 int, +6 stam - 7g buyout
Ivycloth Pants of the Eagle = +7 int, +7 stam - 7g 50s buyout

Sage's Boots of the Eagle = +6 int, +5 stam - 4g99s buyout
Sage's Boots of the Eagle = +5 int, +5 stam - 10g buyout

Shall I go on??

lol for this guys purpose I don't think he needed to know this stuff :laughing:

[Erinion]

lol for this guys purpose I don't think he needed to know this stuff :laughing:

I know...but I was making a point

[Clavina]

Op go check out kalibans class loot lists (http://www.wow-loot.com) to get an idea of the gear available from dungeons.

[Wintrow]

Well, he might start thinking of how to start doing some (level-appropriate) dungeons before thinking about the loot.

WoW is basically made to reward you for whatever you do:

- Quest a lot? Quests reward you with gear.

- Run dungeons a lot? Dungeon bosses drop the best PvE gear in the game.

- PvP a lot? The Honor, Marks and Arena points you earn will enable you to buy PvP-specific gear. Mind you, PvP gear is still viable for PvE content. Often people will fill in gaps in their PvE gearset w some relatively easy obtained PvP pieces.

99,99% of these gear-pieces are bound to your character (Soulbound) the moment you obtain them. These are called Bind on Pickup.

- Whenever you kill a random mob he might drop some gear too. This is usually gear that becomes soulbound when you equip it: Bind on Equip.

Poor-quality items (name coloured in Gray) are usually only usefull if you're naked and need something to cover up the blank slot. They are however a nice source of cash if you sell them to the vendor.
Common-quality (name in white) are slightly better. it will also mean that it has SOME use for something, but still usually not worth the trouble of figuring out what --> vendor unless you happen to know it's valuable.
Uncommon-quality (green). Now it's getting interesting. Greens are the run-of-the-mill item rewards and despite the name are commonly dropped by mobs in BoE-variant. Most people who don't generally pay attention to their gear end up in greens and they do ... adequate.
Rare (blues). These are rewards for doing something that takes slightly more effort. Dungeon bosses drop BoP rares as a rule. At least one item. Harder ones drop several. A BoE rare is actually more uncommon and you can easily pay a hefty sum for it. Thankfully, low-level rares are quite affordable for a high-level player. Thus was born the art of twinking. Buy something nice, send it to your level-appropriate alternate character and voila, your alt is a twink.
Epic (purple). Aahh, epics. Even better than rares and harder to obtain. BoP epics drop only from the hard max-level dungeon bosses or through PvP. Notice that BoP PvP epics are within reach of people who do light, but consistent PvP. Thus saving up the required points, honor, marks to EVENTUALLY be able to afford them. For the entry-level PvP epics "eventually" is actually not that long. It is progressively harder to get the better gear, but still not THAT hard. Only the top-pvp epics require actual skill and dedication. BoE epics are regularly found on the AH, but you'll pay through the nose for 'em too.
Legendary (Orange). Legendaries are low% drops from the hardest raid-bosses in the game. They are usually weaponry as that is often the most visible part of a character.

- Do you just sit in the Auction House all day gathering wealth. You can use your vast gold-pile to buy good gear from the AH and from crafters, but since those ALL have a level-requirement you'll need to level up somehow as well.

These pieces are actually meant for characters with bad luck who need to fill in a hole in their gear-set.