Rate These Classes For Me In Terms Of....

[Vanchatron]

Hi, I've been playing WoW now for around 5 days and made a Warrior because I thought that they were good DPS'ers & had pretty decent survivability, although now after having read some threads where people are saying "Warriors are underpowered" and "Warriors have been nerfed to hell" I'm wondering whether I made the right choice picking Warrior.

Here's the things I look for in a class:

- Good DPS

- Are useful for RAIDS/Dungeons etc in PvE (because obviously I'd like to do them at some point & don't want to be left out in place of something else)

- Excel in PvP

- I don't particularly like "support" roles such as healers etc, as I like to focus on keeping myself alive & doing damage to enemies etc.


I was thinking of either Mage, Warlock or Rogue.

I'd be ever so grateful if somebody could help me figure out which class to play.

Thanks!

[elsegundo]

one thing you gotta understand is that those who are saying "warriors are nerfed to hell" are usually warriors themselves finding that they cannot DPS like rogues or druids.

well case is, they shouldnt. they have way better armor than pretty much every other class, which makes them great as tanks, and gives them great survivability, but their dps suffers in comparison to a mage, or warlock, or whatever other class that's labeled "DPS".

in WoW there is no "ultimate" or "most powerful" class. this is why i love this game. there's no class that's really overpowered. there's always a weakness to every class. you just need to know them. but that's another topic.

if you want dps, say goodbye to surviability. well at least for the most part. every class is usefull in raids. every class has something that they will bring to the table come raid time. if you want a dps class that's useful in raids, you can do any of the dps classes and be fine with it.

i cant think of a class that would "suck" in pvp either. though if you do have a healer, you will be targetted first. but since you dont like the healing class i guess that's not a problem for you. staying alive in pvp requires tactic and not merely class selection.

all three classes you've chosen are very good at DPS. two are ranged and those ranged are cloth wearers. one has a freezing spell and a polymorph spell as crowd control. the other has fear and banish demons as crowd control. warlocks have pets to suppliment their play. rogues, i've found, are able to pick their own battles and also have several ways of escaping combat. due to their non-magic attacks, they tend to be more gear dependent than the mage and warlock.

in any case, you can make your warrior a dps warrior. if you've read my comment to you in the other thread, its quite possible. but it does take a while and it does take a lot of determination to play the warrior class. this is one of the reasons why there's a lack of warriors (and healers) in the game... always. in any case, good luck.

[Erinne]

I think that out of the three you mentioned, warlocks are probably the "best" all around, while rogues are good at PvP and mages are better at PvE. I've put "best" in quotation marks, because there truly is no best class. While the class balance is constantly changing (especially now with the new expansion some big changes are coming up) and some classes may be regarded as underpowered or overpowered, no class is ever completely useless.
What really matters is what playstyle you like. For example, my main is a rogue, which I enjoy very much, and I'm also having fun playing my mage alt. Yet I have never gotten a warlock past level 12, and don't very much want to. Just start one of each, play to around level 10 or 20 and see what you like best.

[Dakiter]

I hate to say it no one is really gonna be able to rank some of the things you are looking for.

Some people love warlocks, love their damage and love all the abilities they get. I absolutely hate them. I have a level 37 lock that I have no desire to play.

Best damage is also a completely different animal. I have been on raids where my hunter was number one in dps. Then the next raid he was struggling to make third.

Every class has something different. Play what you want. My friend has a dps warrior that has to hold back in some raid fights simply because we have never met a tank that can hold agroe against his explosions.

You like the idea of warrior go for it. You wont get an idea about what he can do until higher levels anyway.

[Your Average WoW Player]

I could rant and rave forever on this topic, but I'm gonna keep it short.

In your last thread, you said you wanted to be a DPS Warrior, but heard that they aren't good damage dealers. Well, here's something else: DPS Warriors can be amazing Damage Dealers.

With WoW, it's all about the player playing the class, not the class itself. You said you wanted to play a DPS warrior? Then play a DPS Warrior. You'll find out that maybe you're not doing good. But if you still REALLY want to play a DPS warrior, you'll go and find help for it. You'll come to some place like here and ask for help.

So, play whatever you want to play. If it's what you really want to do, you'll get good at it. Trust me.

And as for the "Warriors nerfed to Hell" BS: A little bit before the Burning Crusade was released, the Hunter class got hit with a fairly big nerf, and everyone was *****ing and moaning that Hunters will suck now, Hunters will never be able to do good on the Damage Charts again, and yada yada yada yada yada. Well, I know Hunters who can top the Damage Charts with little to no effort. The PLAYERS behind the class are just that good. I have never really seen a nerf that is so bad that even the best players can't do their thing anymore. And as elsegundo said, the people who scream that a nerf was really bad, or, their class is heavily nerfed, are the people who can't play that class to begin with.

So again, bottom line is, play whatever YOU want to play. Do not fear the nerf bat. If you're good at your class, it probably won't make that much of a difference.

And just as a note, the official forums are REALLY whiny. Every little damn thing that comes along is a nerf. Even if it really isn't.

[Vanchatron]

I could rant and rave forever on this topic, but I'm gonna keep it short.

In your last thread, you said you wanted to be a DPS Warrior, but heard that they aren't good damage dealers. Well, here's something else: DPS Warriors can be amazing Damage Dealers.

With WoW, it's all about the player playing the class, not the class itself. You said you wanted to play a DPS warrior? Then play a DPS Warrior. You'll find out that maybe you're not doing good. But if you still REALLY want to play a DPS warrior, you'll go and find help for it. You'll come to some place like here and ask for help.

So, play whatever you want to play. If it's what you really want to do, you'll get good at it. Trust me.

And as for the "Warriors nerfed to Hell" BS: A little bit before the Burning Crusade was released, the Hunter class got hit with a fairly big nerf, and everyone was *****ing and moaning that Hunters will suck now, Hunters will never be able to do good on the Damage Charts again, and yada yada yada yada yada. Well, I know Hunters who can top the Damage Charts with little to no effort. The PLAYERS behind the class are just that good. I have never really seen a nerf that is so bad that even the best players can't do their thing anymore. And as elsegundo said, the people who scream that a nerf was really bad, or, their class is heavily nerfed, are the people who can't play that class to begin with.

So again, bottom line is, play whatever YOU want to play. Do not fear the nerf bat. If you're good at your class, it probably won't make that much of a difference.

And just as a note, the official forums are REALLY whiny. Every little damn thing that comes along is a nerf. Even if it really isn't.

Lol, some good points there, thanks. The thing is though, I hear so much about these Raids/Dungeons/Instances etc (although I know nothing about them yet) that I'd love to get involved in them, but according to some people, groups only take certain classes and each class is used for a specific role. E.g. Warrior isn't used for damage at all, he's just there to hold aggro so the rest of the group kills the enemies. Tbh, that seems boring. If I carried on as a Warrior, it'd be so I spec'd into Fury and did some pretty decent DPS, but if groups are only looking for people to "tank" then there's no point me staying as Warrior :undecided:

[elsegundo]

tanking is NOT boring! its a lot of fun. but bear in mind that you will be the first target of blame if things go wrong. well, you and the healer.

to each his own though. do know that there are warriors who dps in raids. its just that, conventionally speaking, if you see a warrior, you'd expect him to tank. i get annoyed when running around in my druid. people would ask me if im a Feral druid. i say yes and automatically i get asked to tank. ferals DPS too!

oh and i've come across a party that insisted i can heal as a feral druid. we wiped several times, but in the end, finished the instance. it would have been better if i dps'ed or tanked it. but whatevers.

anyway... just play what you like. bottom line. its your game, and if you like DPS with some more armor than others, but no ability to heal in-combat, and no emergency exit button, by all means, go for it.

[Beruen]

Personally, as long as the group had adequate CC, I was always fine with having a DPS warrior along in a group, so it's not hopeless. There's not a class out there that really plays itself, despite jokes about facerolling <class supposedly needing nerfs>, and group makeup and player skill counts for a good bit, especially early on after new content becomes available.

[Erinion]

The more time you spend posting questions and reading these forums, the less time you're spending actually playing the game and finding out the answers for yourself.

Sorry to sound harsh but playing the game is really the best way to learn about the game. You're only just starting out, you don't need to know the ins and outs of every class, which spec is best for this or that. Certainly have a think about future specs and roles but don't dwell on them. If you want to try a different class then go ahead and try it. If you want to find out what a dps warrior is really capable of then play one until level 40 or so.

Your questions will be answered in game as you play.

[Twoflower]

the game is balanced. every class has its advantages and disadvantages. every class is needed if the player is good, every class is not needed if the player is bad. Every class will get into raids, but if you are a bad player you will not get into a raid with any class.

as erinion said, choose what you think you like and get playing. dont listen to the crybabies. they are everywhere. play and get your own oppinion.

[Dakiter]

Plus by the time you get high enough to go to these instances the new skills will be in place. DPS warriors duel weilding two two handed weapons is going to be insane. All the time wearing plate!

Go warrior and dont listen to the whiners. Everyone and every build has a place in game.

[Vanchatron]

Plus by the time you get high enough to go to these instances the new skills will be in place. DPS warriors duel weilding two two handed weapons is going to be insane. All the time wearing plate!

Go warrior and dont listen to the whiners. Everyone and every build has a place in game.

o_O Very nice!

[clevins]

<devils advocate>
Warranted or not, it's true that there's bias out there about certain classes. DPS Warriors *are* a tougher sell to groups than ranged dps or even a rogue. You can say 'it's the player who makes a toon work' the fact is that there IS bias out there about certain classes.
</devils advocate>

Ok, now that we've gotten that out of the way I'm going to mostly agree with the other replies. YOu should play a class/spec that clicks with you, that you just LIKE playing. However, that advice for a new person isn't really very helpful. New people don't have much feel for the classes or the game, so it's hard to know what they really want. Thus my first piece of advice to newbies is to play a couple of classes that sound interesting to you to at least 20, preferably 30.

My second piece of advice is to find friends ingame to play with. Join a good guild that's doing some raiding, but that's friendly to leveling. Make friends, run stuff with them. Even if you're not the BEST choice for a group, people will often take you because you're a prefectly fine choice and they know you.

My third piece of advice is this... learn to play your class well. For example, a good hunter is an awesome addition to a group. But most people who play them do so poorly (or more accurately, lazily). Thus the class gets a bad rap. Learn about what rotations are best for you, learn what stats are good for you, keep your gear up to snuff. The last point is easy leveling - take the quest rewards that are good for you. Don't pass them up or sell them just because they're a small upgrade.

And my last piece of advice - a LOT of things about classes and group dynamics change in Wrath. Much of what we know goes out the window. If you're playing a class you like and doing it well, you'll be fine. Yes, you may well have to overcome some biases about your spec.... but if you make friends as you level, you'll have a core group of people to do stuff with and really won't care what the other 99% of the server thinks.

[Beruen]

<devils advocate>
Warranted or not, it's true that there's bias out there about certain classes. DPS Warriors *are* a tougher sell to groups than ranged dps or even a rogue. You can say 'it's the player who makes a toon work' the fact is that there IS bias out there about certain classes.
</devils advocate>

True. As a warrior, you don't bring any crowd control other than off-tanking, and some people will hold that against you. And then there are "DPS" warriors that just aren't that good at what they do, giving the whole DPS warrior idea a bad name. That's true of every class, but people are more likely to remember the cases of where their preconceptions where supported by evidence than where it didn't support the preconceptions.

And my last piece of advice - a LOT of things about classes and group dynamics change in Wrath. Much of what we know goes out the window.

Very much so. And just because class X is OP after the next patch release doesn't mean that they'll still be as OP when they hit 80, or after whatever patches come close on the heels of the expansion. There will probably be several patches shortly after the expansion while the developers fine tune the class balance, and some of that may not feel like "fine" tuning at all.

Basically, if you were to pick a class based on which class feels OP right now, it's quite likely that it won't feel OP by the time you've leveled it to 80. Find something you like doing, and you'll have fun. I've got everything but a warrior in the 54-80 range, and I'll say that this is the first time I've played an MMORPG where each class had this distinct of a feel, and yet all the classes are at least interesting to play, even if all the specs aren't.