Are glyphs woth the cost at lower levels?

[Boneshaker]

I guess since the new patch I can buy & equip glyphs to my lvl 25 Warrior. I saw some on the AH when I was on my home PC before coming to work tonight and was wondering if they are worth the cost? It looks like I can equip 6, 3 major & 3 minor?? AM I right about this?

[Khab]

Individuals gain a glyph slot based on their level:

* Level 15: 1 Major, 1 Minor.
* Level 30: 1 Major (total 2 Major, 1 Minor).
* Level 50: 1 Minor (total 2 Major, 2 Minor).
* Level 70: 1 Minor (total 2 Major, 3 Minor).
* Level 80: 1 Major (total 3 Major, 3 Minor).

To be able to install a glyph, major or minor, you will need to stand close to a Lexicon of Power, which can be found near any Inscription trainer.

[Boneshaker]

Ok thanks!

[Boneshaker]

Khab; Do you play any warrior chars.? Which glyphs would you suggest? Im at lvl 25 right now so 1 major and 1 minor..

[Mazhulsage]

Oh, I didn't even know that. Thanks for the info man.

[Mazhulsage]

Oh, by the way, Glyphs generally aren't worth it below level 60 IMO. You should get your epic mount (land) first, then worry about glyphs... Even then, they're not like a major upgrade or anything (Other than a couple of them.) they're just minor upgrades to usually well used spells.

Personally, on my level 27 Shadow Priest, I got the Mind Flay one, and IMO it was worth it. PW:Shield, Mind Blast, strafe sideways away from target, Devouring Plague, SW:Pain, Mind Flay, Mind Flay, wand, dead, loot, repeat. Can't wait til next level when I get a (MAJOR) upgraded Mind Flay... 128ish damage VS 45 =P. That'll be fun.

[Khab]

Khab; Do you play any warrior chars.? Which glyphs would you suggest? Im at lvl 25 right now so 1 major and 1 minor..

I've actually never leveled a warrior. I've leveled a hunter, rogue, warlock and paladin.

[dwarfenhelm]

for my war on dps i use glyph of sweeping strikes and execute. these help out niceley and i would avise getting as early as you can afford them. why the op thinks they no good till lvl 60 is beyond me. in todays market climate you can easy have 1k gold with very little effort by lvl 60 just by sellign all greens in the ah and any meat you get on your trips for people to cook with. if you can get a glyph at 15 then get it as it will help you and prob help more at your lvl than it might on a lvl 60. basicaly they are a 1 time enchant that will last as long as you want it to, and not a gear enchant that will be gone in 3 or 4 lvls as you have a better bit of armour.

[Aerath]

It depends a lot on the glyphs. I'm having a hard time finding anything really useful for a leveling priest.

On the other hand, the Glyph of Evocation (also restores 60% health) is an absolute godsend to a budding young mage.

Some are just more useful than others. All of them are situational, and it depends a lot on just how often you'll actually be in that particular situation.

[Mazhulsage]

Yeah, I seem to be having the same problem Aerath, the only one I found that was useful was the Mind Flay one, and to some people it might not be worth the loss of movement reduction, but it is to me. I can get 2 Mind Flays in whereas before I could maybe get 1 1/2. So, it's a DPS increase for me personally.

[Marlous]

Some of the glyphs are awesome, because they increase damage or reduce things like mana cost. Others increase the range of certain spells, which imho is utter crap and a waste of my glyph space.

For my prot warrior I got the Glyph of Sunder Armor, because I love being able to get aggro on 2 mobs for the cost of only 1 hit.

For my Warlock I got the Glyph of Corruption, because I was told that it stacks with the Nightfall talent.. if that's true, then I can look forward to a proc chance óf 8% instead of 4%. That's pretty overpowered, really..

[Aerath]

Yeah, I seem to be having the same problem Aerath, the only one I found that was useful was the Mind Flay one, and to some people it might not be worth the loss of movement reduction, but it is to me. I can get 2 Mind Flays in whereas before I could maybe get 1 1/2. So, it's a DPS increase for me personally.

I see it as a Raid glyph really, since Bosses don't really care if you try to slow them down. When leveling or pvping, I prefer the movement reduction.

The PW : Shield one is okay.

Marlous, pick up the Minor one which'll occasionally give you an extra shard on your drain soul.

[Gorny]

I invested in Glyph of Slowfall for my mage, saves a ton on feathers. Also have Evocation and the frost nova/ice block ones.

[Cerberus]

The glyphs are going pretty cheap at AH on my server. Lots of people skilling up and none of them are really expensive to make. A few herbs and parchment.

Warrior glyphs will depend a bit on specc obviously, but I assume you're not prot. Tbh, none of the non-tanking glyphs look very amazing to me. Whirlwind and sweeping strikes when you get that later on maybe. I heard rend was bugged, so it will probably be fixed. Depending on how it turns out you might want to look into it (+3 secs duration). You don't have all that many abilities at that level anyway.

The Hamstring glyph adds 10% chance to immobilize. Could be handy as you can pretty much spam hamstring when you are trying to get away.

[wyren]

Basically if you are going to use the spell or ability that it effects all the way as you level then it will be worth the investment. If you are not certain ask around. I think they are outstanding and you should use them quick before they are nerfed

[Mazhulsage]

*Shrug* IMO, the damage gain from the range increase of Mind Flay (12 yards, don't forget about the talent that also increases my range =D) is worth it compared to the slowing effect... Like I said, I get about 1/2 a mind flay extra out of the time that they're running towards me, which with rank 1 Mind Flay is an extra 30 damage (20 for 1 tick, 10 for 1/2 tick). In 1 level I'm sure it'll be more like 70ish damage.

[Cerberus]

I'd take the mind flay glyph on any raiding Spriest. Having to work around that one guy that needs to be 10 yards closer than everybody else while being vital for the group he's in has been pretty annoying at times. Probably won't grab it on my priest if I level up to 80 tho. Even if pushback has been nerfed, taking damage=more downtime.

[Marlous]

For a levelling warrior I'd also look into the Overpower one.. normally you can only Overpower when the opponent dodges, but with that glyph you can also do so when the opponent parries. Soudns nice. :)

Marlous, pick up the Minor one which'll occasionally give you an extra shard on your drain soul.

Hm, I might - haven't looked into the Minor Glyphs yet, tbh. Aside from the ones that I discovered so far I wouldn't even know which ones there are, heh.

[Mazhulsage]

I'm leveling with it and it's awesome. I have 0 downtime (Other than a few seconds waiting for mana to refill after a fight, which is expected) and I deal fairly good DPS... Once I reach 40+ I don't know how I'm going to be able to handle Devouring Plague being on cooldown about 1/2 the time I'm killing stuff =D. (In other words, I'm going to have close to around 150ish spell power at about level 46 or so, along with pretty good spirit and health... Cause I have lots of gold on my main and I'll get my Priest the +spell power enchant to Zum'rah's Staff+The helm from ZF also.)

[TPMdm]

@op

It depends on the price of the glyphs on your server. I imagine that right now they are pretty OP (over priced) since they require more than "a few herbs and parchment" to make. Herbs on my server are now going for 1G each for the low level ones and ramp up quickly from there. Some of the glyphs require a full stack of milled herbs to get enough pigment to make the ink that goes into the glyph. A scribe can easily pay 20G+ in mats to make a glyph. I'm slitting my own throat selling them at 5-10G each.

So, at low level at current prices I don't think glyphs are worth it. When herb prices come back down or scribes get sick of sitting on glyphs that people simple won't buy for their material's cost then the prices for those glyphs will fall then there will be excuse not to fill all available glyph slots when they open up.

The question is a bit like asking "is it worth it to replace all my mail gear with plate when I hit 40?"

There is no reason not to fill the glyph slot as soon as you can afford to (assuming of course you have enough saved for you skills and mount). Just remember that right now only bankrolled players can reasonably afford all kinds of glyphs right now.

[Boneshaker]

Good advice.. Im not very rich at this point. And Im saving for my 1st mount. I have been lucky enough to have a guild mate thats a high lvl player run with me thru some instances that has made it far easier for me to aquire good drops & loot. He even GAVE me some free weapon enchants.

I cant say enough good about my guild so far. Very helpful folks.

[Cerberus]

5 herbs mill into 2-3 pigment. You need 2 pigment for 1 ink and 1 ink and the right parchment (40s for the most expensive one) makes a glyph. None of the major glyphs are very expensive to make. The highest ones available from trainer atm take two inks meaning you'll need less than 10 herbs on average.

I'm pretty sure they will drop in price pretty soon. Even so much that I see blizzard wanting to make them more valuable. Minor glyphs are the most expensive ones atm as you have to research to learn them every 20hrs and get a random one when you do.

[Mazhulsage]

Oh, so that's why I've been seeing so little of Minor Glyphs, lol.

[Boneshaker]

Can you unequip a glyph for another? If you remove it do you lose it or does it go back to your bag?

[Mazhulsage]

Wtf? What does Fishing have to do with it?

[Boneshaker]

????????????
Yep and I just saved a bunch of money on my car insurance..:ponder:

Any answers,, anyone, Bueller, Bueller,??

[Aerath]

Can you unequip a glyph for another? If you remove it do you lose it or does it go back to your bag?

Yes and you lose the original glyph. (Like re-enchanting an item, you lose the old enchant.)

If you had read up a bit in game, you'd have seen this yourself already. No need to bump a thread for that.

[Boneshaker]

Ok thanks. I get your point about reading up on the game. Believe me I have been. Im sitting here at work with some time on my hands & thought I would chat on this site to pass the time and perhaps learn something in the process. Yes Im sure I could have found the info elsewhere.

However, I dont get why you would give me grief about asking a newb question on the newb forum? Isnt that part of the reason for this web site?

Having only been playing this game for a little over a month, and frequenting forums like this & Tankspot since I started playing I have noticed there is a deffinate "Elitist" attitude that some of the more advanced players have in regard to new players. Let me remind you that you were new at this game at one time as well. If reading newb questions bothers you why are you reading posts in the newcomer forum?

Have a nice day.

[Marlous]

Boneshaker, don't take too much offence at it. The thing is mostly that some of the questions that are asked could've been easily answered by browsing the Wowwiki or Google.. yes, the forums are indeed meant to ask questions, but a lot of people expect that other players first put a bit of effort in finding an answer themselves, before turning to a forum for help. I'm not saying that you're like that, but that might explain the reaction a bit. :smiley:

When I wanted to read up on things like Inscription and some of the new talents, I found this wiki (http://www.wotlkwiki.info/index.php/Main_Page) a really helpful site - it's comparable to the Wowwiki, but only deals with the expansion's new content. Have a look when you've got some time, because it's quite interesting.

[Boneshaker]

I know exactly what you are saying. I have been using WOWWIKI and THOTBOT and other sources to find things out. I simply find that other players can give the answers and at times other tid bits of info. that you never get from a resource like WOWWIKI.

The human touch and interacting with knowledgeable gamers is what I was after. In a way its like the difference between reading how to do something in a manual vs. having someone SHOW you how to do something. I just learn faster in that manner.

I would rather be an active participant here vs. being a lurker who never has anything to share with the group. Granted I don't know enough to share much at this point but I have been an active member of similar sites in the past and that's how I conducted myself. I have notice several other newbs getting similarly thumped for asking questions like I did so I guess that's just how it is here. It's a good way on discouraging new members if you ask me.

If the question seem's stupid or not worth the time to answer then don't. It took more effort for that guy to give me a smart answer than it would have to ignore me. But some guys get off on talking down to others and hide behind a keyboard to do it. Not me, Im wide open and assume the best in people until Im given reason to act otherwise.:wink:

That being said I will try to improve on the quality of my questions.

[Superspam]

I know exactly what you are saying. I have been using WOWWIKI and THOTBOT and other sources to find things out. I simply find that other players can give the answers and at times other tid bits of info. that you never get from a resource like WOWWIKI.

The human touch and interacting with knowledgeable gamers is what I was after. In a way its like the difference between reading how to do something in a manual vs. having someone SHOW you how to do something. I just learn faster in that manner.

I would rather be an active participant here vs. being a lurker who never has anything to share with the group. Granted I don't know enough to share much at this point but I have been an active member of similar sites in the past and that's how I conducted myself. I have notice several other newbs getting similarly thumped for asking questions like I did so I guess that's just how it is here. It's a good way on discouraging new members if you ask me.

If the question seem's stupid or not worth the time to answer then don't. It took more effort for that guy to give me a smart answer than it would have to ignore me. But some guys get off on talking down to others and hide behind a keyboard to do it. Not me, Im wide open and assume the best in people until Im given reason to act otherwise.:wink:

That being said I will try to improve on the quality of my questions.

I don't think most people mind your questions. They're well written and it seems like you actually take a minute to think about what your asking. What I tend to have a problem with is the people that don't take the 30 seconds to reread what they wrote to see if it's an understandable, coherent thought.

[TPMdm]

Don't sweat any "grief" you might get from somebody. The previous post was, what..... 2 or 3 days before yours. Hardly a "bump" worth of comment.

[Aerath]

Don't sweat any "grief" you might get from somebody. The previous post was, what..... 2 or 3 days before yours. Hardly a "bump" worth of comment.

I meant his second post, 3 hrs after the first one.

That one was completely unneeded.

I don't mind newby questions. But some things are blatantly obvious the second you try them ingame and replacing Glyphs is one of them. Even so, the bumping (which is against the forum rules) irked me more than the 'stupid' question (note the 's, please).

[Mazhulsage]

*Shrug* I dunno... New people can be VERY new to even the entire game thing, to the point where my wife even has asked me the most simple things I've ever heard, even after I've made it almost as simple as possible (QuestHelper for example)...

Her: Where's this quest?
Me: Press M.
Her: Kay... *Presses M*
Me: See that square box thing? That's where you need to go.
Her: Oh, well how do I exit this?
Me: Uhh... Press the X on the top right or escape.
Her: Kay, now how do I get back to it so I know where I'm going?
Me: Press M again...

God I love her, lol. It's a bit of a pain, but she's for the most part used to playing on her own now, cause I insisted she play for at least an hour without me... By falling asleep =P.

[Mazhulsage]

Of my... Of MY!? OF MY WHAT!? NOO, HE WAS CUT OFF BY FLUFFY!

[Boneshaker]

Aerath: I wasn't bumping the post I was making a joke about the gold spamer post that didnt have anything to do with my post. Sorry the humor was lost on you.

[Gameliel]

Getting back on topic...

It really depends on the class so far. Some classes have better Glyph choices than others do. For example, lower level Shamans really benefit greatly from Glyph of Water Shield and Glyph of Water Mastery. I myself just started a Shaman recently and thanks to those Glyphs I have absolutely no downtime.

Rogue Glyphs on the other hand.. yeah. Not too great ATM if you are leveling. Same with Hunter Glyphs, although the AotH one is definitely useful.

[elsegundo]

have the prices dropped yet? i expect the prices to drop now that everyone and their dog has leveled inscription in the early levels at least. during this two-three weeks before WotLK, get your glyphs and hoard your herbs. once the expansion hits, there's going to be a bagillion people on, a lot of whom will want to level inscription also.

[Aerath]

Check the AH instead of asking here ?

It'll be different for every server.

On mine, all major glyphs are a few gold max. Minors vary a lot.

[elsegundo]

and asking here would help to show the general trend of prices throughout servers. or at least, from those who reply to this thread. im not really asking about my server.