Just venting my frustration

[Lycerian]

I don't mind losing. But I hate losing merely because my team is retarded. I'm in the 40-49 bracket. It's not real high, but it's high enough that everyone in there should have a clue as to how to play. Yet sadly, they don't.

I'll start with Warsong Gultch. I just came from a battle where we were down 2 flags to none. The enemy had possession of our last flag and was taking it to their side of the map. My entire team was still gaurding our flag room. WTF? Why are you in the flag room if the last flag is already taken? GO GET IT BACK! Needless to say, we lost shortly thereafter.

This next issue is common in both Warsong Gultch and Arathi Basin. I hate it... I really HATE IT... when the enemy team is grouped together into one big army, and my team is all spread around trying to do their own thing. The enemy just crushes us all individually. If the enemy is in a group, then you have to FIGHT AS A GROUP!

Yesterday I was complaining to my team about how I was tired of getting killed because I was always outnumbered. One of my teammates says to me "You're only in seventh place and I'm in second."

I was in seventh place because I was the ONLY PERSON ON MY TEAM actually trying to stop the flag carrier. I kept getting killed because there was a group of about 5 people with the flag carrier, and I didn't have anyone helping me. So what if you're in second place if all you're doing is killing stray enemies that are not strategically relevant. You're useless to the team effort. Get over here and HELP ME!

Maybe they should get rid of the leader board altogether. That way people won't be thinking about what place they're in. They'll just be thinking about whether or not the team is winning, and what they can do to help.

[Salo ZeHurn]

Not really playing battlegrounds in WoW atm, but I had similar experiences in WAR. Some of the team would go off just chasing after the enemy while the rest would get pummled wherever we tried to defend.

The only advice I can offer is either join a guild that goes into battlegrounds alot or try to talk common sense into people. If there is a bonus when you win, tell them to try to earn that instead. Sometimes people just forget what they should be doing, and usually telling them what they should puts them on task. Just my two cents.

[TPMdm]

This next issue is common in both Warsong Gultch and Arathi Basin. I hate it... I really HATE IT... when the enemy team is grouped together into one big army, and my team is all spread around trying to do their own thing. The enemy just crushes us all individually. If the enemy is in a group, then you have to FIGHT AS A GROUP!


I agree with a lot of what you said, but the above is not entirely true for AB. True army v. army battles can be fun and you can certainly do well playing that way. There is another strategy that works well in AB: be where the enemy isn't. If they are literally all at BS you can cap all the other nodes with just a few people.

[Racoonknight]

Everything except level 80 Battlegrounds are frustrating at best, full of retards and twinks. Just level up and get to level 80, where (most) people are competent.

[tralkar]

Hears a simple fix for you, Get off the aliance side they all suck. most of them are young kids, sad to say it but more grown ups play horde.

[Racoonknight]

Hears a simple fix for you, Get off the aliance side they all suck. most of them are young kids, sad to say it but more grown ups play horde.

I've played and still play on both factions at max level and fail to see this is true. The comment about children playing alliance is just myth. Yes alliance do lose BG's but that can be easily fixed with a small party and some skill and tactics. I play on the Cyclone battlegroup EU, arguably the most competitive battlegroup on the EU side and alliance win probably 40% of the BG's.

[Ballplayer]

This kind of stuff still happens in the level 80 bracket... Sad...

[Imraath]

Yesterday I was complaining to my team about how I was tired of getting killed because I was always outnumbered. One of my teammates says to me "You're only in seventh place and I'm in second.

I don't mind losing, I don't mind some players on the team doing their own thing. I don't mind getting completely thumped by a person who outgears me. I don't mind when I don't get protected when I'm healing.

The one thing I can't stand in the battlegrounds is that incessant prat whining to their team.

[Eido]

I echo Imraath.

Random group BGs will usually be clusterclucks - thats the nature of things. You will get the occasional random BG where everything clicks and the horde are swept aside like the dross they are (only kidding, I wuv my cow shammie).

At the moment my Gnomage is 52 so I am at the thin end of the bracket. If I'm in a BG that is not of the latter type, then I simply do what I can to achieve the best result possible. This usually involves picking a foe of around my level and sheeping him each time we meet and just running off. Harsh but a legitimate asset removal tactic in my book.

As a clothie there is little I can do without support. But Rambo-esque assaults on the flag or a node, or a solo flag carrier and entourage intercept with a suicide frost nova are still on my menu.

I dont care if I die, I dont care if I lose the round or even the whole BG, I just do what I can and find the fun on the way.

What does erk me are the people who think that filling the chat box with their ranting will give them some sort of kudos, or even elicit a response from the team.

If a BG works, it works. It will be a rare person who will draw a random group into a fighting force.

[odinsnephew]

On my hunter last night I had capped the first flag and was returning with the second being chased by a Paladin and a couple others a bit further back down the tunnel. Then the Horde take our flag and head the GY route. I checked map and saw he had another supporting him and 2 of our guys in close pursuit.

Back in the tunnel the Paladin stuns me, I trinket, trap and run into the flag room and out again heading to do a circuit up to the balcony and wait for our flag to be returned. This was done, I jump down to cap and land on the damn Paladin and his cronies (2 dk's I now see) who proceed to faceroll me and nick our flag.

One particular jerk starts screaming at me all the usual crap and spewing why had I run out and not capped the flag! I and another tried to explain basic WSG mechanics ie; we cannot cap the flag whilst the opposition are in control of ours. This guy went berserk, threatening to kill me, rape my mother, and, weirdly report me!!

I joined next bg and had a couple of players from the earlier bg said as I thought about the whole situation - that it was just poor luck. This stuff happens. No one mentioned the 5 players dementedly chasing people around in midfield :rolleyes:

There are so many total nasty bastards that play this game and hide behind their computer acting all the hardman it really is a shame.

I will add that I am mainly a PvP'er and the hunter has about 22000 kills and honor capped. I would hardly call myself "pro" (yeah ofc PvP is about skills lol....NOT) but I know the basics - mechanics/maps/hiding locations/take the healer/support flag carrier/etc etc.

Oh and for anyone wondering why I took it as a hunter? Well, no one else could be arsed so I had a go.

That said, I do generally have a damn good time in most and usually after about 21:00 server time. Always good meeting up with other players who you have played with before and you know they know how the game works.

But there is always one bg that turns into a QQ fest shamefully :(

[Twoflower]

it has been like that in pickup groups since the game was released. It got me to completely stop doing pickup BG's. The PuG instance groups are incompetent enugh, but PuG BG's are just nightmares.

If i would ever want to PvP, i would mke a serious grup for it with my guild.

[Super Sneaky Steve]

I'm kinda unhappy with the new system of gear. I don't like how blue gear is so expensive. It should cost some gold and that's it not 30 badges or honor/arena points.

The epics are too expensive too. At least for how short the seasons are. If they were good for a year then that could justify the high cost.

I could keep complaining but I'm done for now.

[raymore]

BGs just suck in general. The more HKs you have, the more honor you get. What about us that actually are defending the flags? I'd like to have honor for that. It's easier to go out and start blasting away than sitting and waiting.

I've also been in them where I have topped the healing but still had less honor than half of the people. What is my motivation to continue to heal other people?

If you have stayed for the duration of the fight and have some fighting/healing done, you should get the same amount of honor.

[Findariel]

BGs just suck in general. The more HKs you have, the more honor you get. What about us that actually are defending the flags? I'd like to have honor for that. It's easier to go out and start blasting away than sitting and waiting.
If you have stayed for the duration of the fight and have some fighting/healing done, you should get the same amount of honor.
Yes I agree, the headless chicken approach is rather encouraged by the current way of rewarding. There's a lot of things that could be done to counter it (like honour for flagdefending or more points if you hold an AB node longer than 5 mins) but Blizz doesn't do it.
The special "X kills" archievements don't really help either.

What behaviour is concerned: in most battlegrounds a part of the players plays with the BG objectives in mind and another part just roams around in search of hks. The ratio can vary. Sometimes you just stand there as flagcarrier while none of your teammates even tries to get your flag back and no opponent even tries to get theirs back either .. it can be frustrating sometimes.

But sometimes you have pretty close matches with lots of teamwork and good communication which makes it quite worthwile :)

[drewid]

What does erk me are the people who think that filling the chat box with their ranting will give them some sort of kudos, or even elicit a response from the team.

If a BG works, it works. It will be a rare person who will draw a random group into a fighting force.

Completely disagree, all most BGs need is a competent person to call out tactics at the start.
sure not everyone will listen everytime but on the majority of the time they will.
As far as peeps in the middle of WSG - you need them there that is were the game is won and lost, as long as they mow down the opposite faction flag carrier as they come through all good.

I would agree I think there needs to be massive honor for capping a flag, currently i believe there is no honor for it. There should also be massive honor for returning your own flag, that would solve many issues.

I dont care if I die, I dont care if I lose the round or even the whole BG
This is the ticket to winning, you must be prepared to sacrifice your self, you need to charge in against four people trying to cap a flag in AB, you will surely die but you will create 5 - 10 seconds were they cant cap giving someone else enough time to get there and defend.
You must be willing to cc stun slow etc the 5 peeps chasing your flag carrier in WSG, dont worry about killing them just slow them they will turn on you and kill you but your flag carrier has a chance of getting away.

fortunatley for me on the Bloodlust battle group the horde are pretty good and there are very few HK farmers....

[Amra]

BG's do test your resolve that's for sure. I been in some truly bad ones where no one works together and I've been in great ones with perfect teamwork. Of course most are in the middle. If you find yourself in one that is not working for you, just ride it out and move on. Save yourself the heart attack. I do wish that healing was rewarded more though. But it is what it is. I had a blast in my times there.

[pergolesi]

Before the expac I brought my hunter to a bunch of battlegrounds, PUG. I suppose after about 40 tries I was just beginning to get what was going on in some of them. Yes, there's some help with general advice posted somewhere, some even on this site, but it's still confusing. I don't want to be a clueless newbie, I want to help my team and not just get myself killed needlessly. The first 20 games I was running around like a chicken with its head cut off. The main problem, as I see it, is lack of intelligent direction. Everybody has a different idea about what he and the other players should be doing at any one time. Experienced players are cursing and pulling out their hair because the newbies are just running all over the place confused. But before you experienced guys start screaming in caps and using abusive language realize that for relatively inexperienced players they just don't know where to go. The battle shifts quickly and death comes from nowhere. Please have patience. There should be some kind of compulsory instruction, at least I would think, before you get to a BG.

Sometimes you can see that an experienced player will sort of take command and make suggestions and if the newer (to bgs) players aren't too feckless they'll know to go along. This would be the best solution if people could follow the leadership of somebody who knows what he's doing and has the big picture. I don't know anyway to formally incorporate this into the game, but It's the way I'd like to play it. I would be perfectly willing to take directions from somebody who knows a lot more about it than I do. Be assured there is no military, or quasi military, or police operation on the planet (I mean the real planet) that doesn't have some kind of central planning and command. I think something like that (not of course some overbearing generalship) would make BGs a lot more fun.

[Cerberus]

I've found that people just don't care most of the time. Either they think BGs are about killing as much as possible or they just enjoy it more than the objectives. It's been a while since I've done a BG (as I feel balance is at it's worst ever since early vanilla and I have things I enjoy more do to), but when I do I join 3 BGs and look for early signs so I can get out of it's going to be a mess. The number of people running left instead of straight forward in WSG is a pretty good sign of what it's going to be like for example.

It's not that people don't realize that fighting where they are is completely useless, they just start fighting as soon as they see the opposite faction from where they spawn. The amount of people that have a clue/play to win vs the amount that just fight will make the difference in any PuG BG. It's no use yelling at the ones that do stupid stuff like fighting at destroyed towers, fight on the bridge instead of running across etc.

I agree that things can seem confusing to start with, but you see the same people doing the same things over and over and over. The objectives aren't really that hard to figure out in the end. People play to win, don't care or don't have a clue at all and can't be bothered to figure it out.

[rdlshadow]

Been away from the Game for a while been back a few months now. Gotten bored last few days and figured I would give BG's a try again. Thinking hey lvl 80's this could be fun. Boy was I wrong. In the last few days Probably ran them all at least 10 to 12 times each. What a bunch of self centered jerks in most of the runs. No one want to discuss any sort of plan. I could be wrong but most in there are just worried about seeing the ending stats pop up and being on top. Isn't it the idea to be the better team. Guess not. Might have just gotten some bad groups.
But the biggest thing I see as a major laughing point is Healers should be banned or put in their own group. Why do Healers want to be DPS'r Why not heal the Tanks and DPS'r around you.
Another thing is you can tell with in 3 to 5 minutes if going to win or not when several don't see the battle going to their side they will drop like flies and or find some place to hide and just sit there hoping they don't get beat up and rack up some points.
BG could be such a blast if groups would just come up with a plan and work it. Like WG ran one this morning and the group almost had a heart attack when I actually grabbed the flag and ran something completely different than what everyone else does. Why is everyone comes out runs to the right and grab flag and then run to the right. Well my thought was try to confuse the Horde and ended up running back to the left instead of right and guess what ended up planting the flag. My point don't have to do what 99.99% of the others do think for once.

[semiiramiis]

But the biggest thing I see as a major laughing point is Healers should be banned or put in their own group. Why do Healers want to be DPS'r Why not heal the Tanks and DPS'r around you.
Another thing is you can tell with in 3 to 5 minutes if going to win or not when several don't see the battle going to their side they will drop like flies and or find some place to hide and just sit there hoping they don't get beat up and rack up some points.


Ban healers. Now there's a great idea...? Ew...what? I can, as a fully resto shaman who has pvp'ed on more than one occasion tell you exactly why healers don't heal in battlegrounds....by turning the question around. You insinuate that a battleground should be run like a raid...which I happen to agree with. So... why in the bleep bleep don't those lovely tanks and dps'ers actively work to protect their poor, vulnerable healer just as they do in raids? I've been left alone, eaten alive, while a stream of dpsers whom I have fought to keep alive run right by me. I become a target the first heal I throw down, and 99% of the time, no one actively works to keep ME alive. Also...while there are ooies! for killing blows, there are none for..."Snatched that player right from the jaws of that killing blow!"

I love to heal. My best bgs are when I can find a couple of players who find the idea of having their very own pocket healer irresistable and act accordingly. And that's it.... for us to heal means you need to back us up.

[rdlshadow]

Ban healers. Now there's a great idea...? Ew...what? I can, as a fully resto shaman who has pvp'ed on more than one occasion tell you exactly why healers don't heal in battlegrounds....by turning the question around. You insinuate that a battleground should be run like a raid...which I happen to agree with. So... why in the bleep bleep don't those lovely tanks and dps'ers actively work to protect their poor, vulnerable healer just as they do in raids? I've been left alone, eaten alive, while a stream of dpsers whom I have fought to keep alive run right by me. I become a target the first heal I throw down, and 99% of the time, no one actively works to keep ME alive. Also...while there are ooies! for killing blows, there are none for..."Snatched that player right from the jaws of that killing blow!"

I love to heal. My best bgs are when I can find a couple of players who find the idea of having their very own pocket healer irresistable and act accordingly. And that's it.... for us to heal means you need to back us up.

Oh I Hear ya. I have started on the last few runs to hang back mid pack and catch the ones that break through the front lines. Had some luck with this going to give it a try. Would love to be able to try what you mentioned group with some healers and act like their body guard. Just don't understand why so many make BG harder than they need to be.

[Hitmehard]

If i have healer on my side are tandem will be unbeatable.. note guys if you want to be at top and had more kills go and protect your healer!