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Ðealor
28-01-2009, 07:38 AM
A lil story which happend to me some weeks ago. Please read it carefully.

After 4 hours waiting friday night (01/16/09) a GM finally answered my ticket during a CoT 4-Timerun. He didn't wanted to talk about my very basic issue and told me that my name "Ðeålør" is a violation of Blizzards namerules.
My first thought was that I've used to many special characters but he told me quickly that my name is inappropriate for a game rated teen and my name is associated with drugs and drug dealers. I've tried to explain him about half an hour that this was my original name since classic-WoW (I made Rank 13 with that name) and even on a rp-server nobody complained about my name ("Dealar"). I've also told him that Dealer only means trader/merchant or "damage dealer" in English, but he just ignored me and told me to delete my character and to create a new level 1 character with the same name. I refused his "order" (it felt like one, he was damn rude the whole time!) and he got angry and told me he would kick me / ban me temporary and do it hisself.
So I thought what the heck about the name and a GM would be knowing what he was doing. But I was wrong. Well, I created a level 1 character with the same name as before, logged in and after another 10 pointless minutes of dicussion and bad name suggestions he accepted one of my proposed names. He told me to log out, delete the level 1 character and log in with the restored level 80 character. After that he just disappeared. Neither the usual "bye-macro", nor the usual customer survey.
First thing I've noticed was that all my addons were malfunctioning and I was kicked out of my guild and all arena teams. I had a damn bad feeling at this time. I configured all addons and told my mates to invite me to the guild and all arena teams. In a flash I found out that my personal arena rating was at 1500 at all teams and I had stats of 0 wins and 0 loses.
I wrote a ticket immediatly and got a GM after 4 hours. He apologized and asked me about all the details like when my last game was, with who, which rating and so on, so he could send all the given data to an investigation team.

That was one week ago. Nothing happend since then, even though I contacted the GMs every single day and asked for the result. Some GMs even seemed pissed and behaved very rudely. First time they told me to wait 1 to 2 days, then until Wednesday (01/21/09) and then until "the weekend" (01/23-25/09). I wrote my last ticket friday afternoon and a GM answered it saturday morning (after 10 hours of waiting). I was afk at this time and he wrote me a standard-letter which said that I should be more specific in my ticket (I wrote 4 sentences and the log should explain it all)... Another GM even told me they've sent the whole case to the US and they would investigate my case there, which sounds very unlikely to me and just seems like a lie.
This whole bad experience really took the whole fun out of WoW for me and my team. Additionally the rude behaviour of many GMs and the continuously decreasing level of support ruins it totally.
Just by the way, we've been 1915 in 2-2, 1800 in 3-3 and 1700 in 5-5. That wasn't very very high, but we were proud of it, because we've played some unlikely combinations and it took us some weeks to get this rating (in 2-2 at least). So we really can't and don't want to just push it fast and easy. It's even not really about the rating, but the whole fact. It could happen to everybody, whether your rating is 3000+ or not. I won't write any new GM tickets from now on because it's pointless and their whole job is to stall the customers.


Dilear - Horde - Nera'Thor [EU - German]


p.s..: I hope this incident is a warning to all players about the arbitrariness of the GMs and won't be overlooked by Blizzard. Again, it's a true story, sadly.
I posted this on some other forums and the official WoW-forum to make the players aware with who they're dealing with when contacting a GM.


Update: 1/25/09 - After 2 hours of waiting for the GM to check the log out, he told me that he can't find anything and will initiate a new investigation. He also forbid me to write any other ticket about this case...

Update 1/26/09 - After logging in I saw a prompt to change my charactername (Imagelink (http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/6724/neusgy2.jpg)), no comment from a GM or anything, ****ing ridiculous. My new name is now Dilar.

All upcoming updates will be posted on www.gmdeletedrating.tk or in this thread.

clevins
28-01-2009, 08:09 AM
Wow. Just... WoW. Good luck to you.

And for those who believe GMs need latitude on name changes - this is why I don't think they should have much.

prion
28-01-2009, 08:53 AM
It sounds to me like the first GM you dealt with knew he was overstepping his authority...I doubt he documented the incident.

Ðealor
28-01-2009, 09:07 AM
I've contacted many GMs after this incident and it seems to be in the log. I've also made screenshots and send an e-mail to their claim center, maybe they'll do something..

stressball
28-01-2009, 12:16 PM
For severe account and character issues, making an in-game ticket is more or less just a waste of time. You have to wait to get served and when you do, they are limited in how they can help you.

My suggestion: CALL THEM.

I sent them an email regarding some change I wanted to do to my account, but I never got a reply. After 10 days I called, and they fixed it within 5 minutes.

ptarn
28-01-2009, 01:09 PM
Of all the names I've seen in WoW some GM thinks THAT one is offensive? By the gods, I've seen WAY WORSE names on my server that I sometimes made a ticket about, only to see most of 'em just keep on using the offensive names.

This just sucks, I really hope everything works out for you and I can understand why you'd be loosing the fun in the game at this moment. Good luck with everything!

mesonm
28-01-2009, 07:47 PM
I've contacted many GMs after this incident and it seems to be in the log. I've also made screenshots and send an e-mail to their claim center, maybe they'll do something..

Frankly, your story seems (to me) a bit one sided...and possibly not complete.

Will you please post the screenshots here?

No, I'm not going to the link you posted...You are a new user here, and there are too many links posted here by new people that are really keyloggers.

clevins
28-01-2009, 08:45 PM
I went to that link - it's just a shot of the login screen with the "you must rename this toon" dialog up.

And you can see where link go to if you mouse over them...

TPMdm
28-01-2009, 09:25 PM
Sounds to me like the GM knew what he was doing. Deleting and then making a lvl1 and deleting THAT wit the same name? Sounds like there was some over writing going on.

elsegundo
28-01-2009, 10:12 PM
you need to delete the level 80 character first? really?

surodat
28-01-2009, 10:30 PM
There's no way you would have to delete the Character. There's no way YOU would have to do anything. They have tools on their end, like, say, that tool you saw come up telling you to rename your character.

Call Blizz with the name of the GM and speak to someone about abuse of power.

mesonm
28-01-2009, 11:19 PM
There's no way you would have to delete the Character. There's no way YOU would have to do anything. They have tools on their end, like, say, that tool you saw come up telling you to rename your character.

Call Blizz with the name of the GM and speak to someone about abuse of power.

Perhaps you see why I asked for SS's....the story is either missing things, or isn't correct to start with.

Edit: wow...someone deleted my other post

mesonm
28-01-2009, 11:20 PM
And you can see where link go to if you mouse over them...

Sir, where a link goes is not completely indicative of what happens when you get there....(hint hint)

enjoy!

Mazhulsage
28-01-2009, 11:26 PM
That page has no screenshots of the actual text sent to eachother. I also really highly doubt that a GM could have changed your name to where it kicks you not only out of your Arena, but also out of your guild... Lol.

Ðealor
29-01-2009, 01:07 AM
They restored my arena-rating today, finally. Check it out @ armory. (I just kept my new 2-2, cuz it's nearly the same rating as the old rating thanks to the new system and my mate already joined the new team..)

Thanks to all for your support and who didn't thought this was a fake!

Trakamoocow
29-01-2009, 01:16 AM
is this the wow version of 'a dingo ate my baby'? :p

elsegundo
29-01-2009, 01:19 AM
i would at least write a complaint letter. on real paper. it might not do you much, but you never know you never know.

clevins
29-01-2009, 04:09 AM
Sir, where a link goes is not completely indicative of what happens when you get there....(hint hint)

enjoy!

it is if you know the site (photobucket etc). It's not, of course, if the site's unknown where it can redirect you or force download things. At least on other people's machines... :)

Kodonn
29-01-2009, 05:16 AM
you need to delete the level 80 character first? really?

As most people on this forum know, deleting a toon does not make it completely disappear. It only removes it from your login screen. (else all those people who accidentally deleted toons would never have gotten them back)

From the onesided-ness of this story, I suspect the GM asked the OP to delete his lvl 80 in order to remove it from his login screen and free it up to have the name changed. He then asked for the lvl 1 of same name so they could continue the discussion and the OP could select a more appropriate name. Maybe he wasn't clear on why he asked for it done in that way...maybe the OP misunderstood the reasoning and took it in the worst light.

Yes, the GM probably could have just told the OP to log off and then set in motion the pop-up asking him to change the name when he logged back in. But then what if the OP chose another inappropriate name? Rather than just leave it all up to chance, the GM just did it all in one sitting.

The loss of the arena standings and the guild membership were most likely due to the "character no longer exists" that the server saw when the 80 was deleted. Did the GM know that was going to happen or was it an unseen side effect? I guess the only way to know that is to know the tone of the OP-GM discussion.

Now, if you want to debate whether the GM acted out of his/her range of authority in asking for the name change in the first place....my first question would be....What was the initial ticket that started the whole thing? It seems just a bit too convenient that with all the other "info" we were given, the OP kind of glossed over that part.

Ðealor
29-01-2009, 06:03 AM
As most people on this forum know, deleting a toon does not make it completely disappear. It only removes it from your login screen. (else all those people who accidentally deleted toons would never have gotten them back)

From the onesided-ness of this story, I suspect the GM asked the OP to delete his lvl 80 in order to remove it from his login screen and free it up to have the name changed. He then asked for the lvl 1 of same name so they could continue the discussion and the OP could select a more appropriate name. Maybe he wasn't clear on why he asked for it done in that way...maybe the OP misunderstood the reasoning and took it in the worst light.

Yes, the GM probably could have just told the OP to log off and then set in motion the pop-up asking him to change the name when he logged back in. But then what if the OP chose another inappropriate name? Rather than just leave it all up to chance, the GM just did it all in one sitting.

The loss of the arena standings and the guild membership were most likely due to the "character no longer exists" that the server saw when the 80 was deleted. Did the GM know that was going to happen or was it an unseen side effect? I guess the only way to know that is to know the tone of the OP-GM discussion.

Now, if you want to debate whether the GM acted out of his/her range of authority in asking for the name change in the first place....my first question would be....What was the initial ticket that started the whole thing? It seems just a bit too convenient that with all the other "info" we were given, the OP kind of glossed over that part.

You are nearly correct. He really did ask me to delete my character (80) and create a new one. He continued the conversation about the new name with me beeing at the level 1 character, after that he restored the old 80 char with the new name. That's it.

I actually wrote a ticket about a translation bug (English -> German), but he just sent me the standard macros and then told me my name was inapproriate.

A wrote a letter to Blizz' claim center about one week ago. No answer yet.

asdaa
29-01-2009, 05:46 PM
lawl writing letters doesnt do sh, you have to call em.

mesonm
29-01-2009, 06:58 PM
You are nearly correct. He really did ask me to delete my character (80) and create a new one. He continued the conversation about the new name with me beeing at the level 1 character, after that he restored the old 80 char with the new name. That's it.

I actually wrote a ticket about a translation bug (English -> German), but he just sent me the standard macros and then told me my name was inapproriate.

A wrote a letter to Blizz' claim center about one week ago. No answer yet.

Again, where are the screenshots you claim are available?