Question about honor marks and points.

[Boneshaker]

Forgive my lack of knowledge on this one but Im trying to make sense of the rewards you can get from BG's. For example;

High Warlord's Recurve (http://www.wowdigger.com/i/18835)

Does this item cost 15,300 honor points AND 40 AB marks? It that what I am reading?? Thanks and sorry for the newb question.

Edited by Lothaer: changed the link to wowdigger.

[Lothaer]

yes it costs 15300 Honor Points and 40 AB Mark.

[Boneshaker]

Thanks, Just making sure. Wow that will take awhile to earn.. lol

[Lothaer]

why would u want a lvl 60 item?

[odinsnephew]

why would u want a lvl 60 item?

Why not? Is the easy answer. The OP is fairly new to the game and at 60 some of those PvP rewards are rather good. A year or more ago my Dwarf hunter got the gun at 60 and my damage went up noticeably. Not everyone steam rollers themselves to 70 or 80. Admittedly most do and I see them idling in Org/SW/Dalaran looking for PuG's.

Slight derail there, but you get my point I hope.

[Cerberus]

The PvP gear you can get at 60, and 70 for that matter, was good at that time. There's not much point collecting it now as you will get gear that's just as good a few levels later. The amount of time it takes to get the honor and marks for that gear could be spent on leveling instead.

The gap between people in raid/high end PvP gear and others before the Burning Crusade was huge and something they tried to even out. This means that the relative quality of the gear you get once you move to outlands will be a lot higher. This isn't the case to the same extent when moving from Outlands to Northrend, but it's still not worthwhile to stay behind to try to collect the epics.

[zerlikjr]

If you are spending the time getting marks and honor then it would appear that you are not rushing to a few levels later. Some enjoy PVP <I'm not one of em>. Maybe being best at your current level is what someone is looking to go for.

If you start BGs at 29 by the time you get to 60 you should have an abundance of marks/honor.
If you do BGs just to complete quest along the way then you will be short.

Z.

[joejanko]

The PvP gear you can get at 60, and 70 for that matter, was good at that time. There's not much point collecting it now as you will get gear that's just as good a few levels later. The amount of time it takes to get the honor and marks for that gear could be spent on leveling instead.

There's ALWAYS better gear a few levels ahead.

I don't say that to slam you, Cerebus, but to point out that there are different play styles out there. Why continue to BG for a piece of gear instead of leveling? Maybe the player enjoys BG; maybe the player wants better gear to make leveling easier.

Another example is the gear available from quartermasters in Northrend. Why bother to grind rep for a piece of gear that requires revered or exalted? After all, at 80 I can run heroic instances where the bosses drop better gear. The answers can vary, but for me it's this: The gear is better than I have now and I'm working on the achievement that requires exalted anyway.

Although it may seem that everyone enjoys racing to the end game, some do enjoy a leisurely journey to the end.

[Super Sneaky Steve]

The level 60 pvp gear isn't worth the cost at all. It gives no resil and you can buy/find greens much cheaper and much better in BC.

If you want to get something at the lower levels spend your honor on a trinket or get the epic ram mount with AV marks.

[odinsnephew]

The level 60 pvp gear isn't worth the cost at all. It gives no resil and you can buy/find greens much cheaper and much better in BC.

If you want to get something at the lower levels spend your honor on a trinket or get the epic ram mount with AV marks.

Another person who thinks there is nothing but max level? This attitude annoys me. Seems for some people the "only" way is just get to 80 as fast as possible and then play this game and ignore everything in between. Some people actually don't play that way.

It may be hard for some people to understand that for some reason but this rush to 80 mentality disturbs me.

As for cheaper? It's probably only time that *costs* more in getting an item or 2 from the PvP stuff. And some repair bills ofc!

And you don't need resilience at 60.

[Cerberus]

I naturally assume that people that don't say they are trying to make a twink are aiming at getting to 80 at some point in some fashion. Twinking at 60 is also extremely rare.

Getting PvP gear at 60 for the purpose of leveling is a bad idea as the time and effort required far exceeds the effort involved in getting comparable or better gear from Outlands. The point I mentioned about Blizzard trying to even out the gap is a big point here. It's even questionable if the PvP set you can grind at 60 is the best option for PvP at that level considering TBC gear gets twice the amount of stamina as vanilla items.

Rep grinds and PvP gear available from honor was meant to be what you did at max level in the previous expansions. It's not meant as content to be done on the way and isn't comparable to grinding rep at 80. I fully understand and respect that people play the game their own way (would be meaningless if we didn't), but while some things can be put in the "not worthwhile" category, 60/70 PvP gear and pre-Wrath rep grinds are a bit beyond that. I don't think anyone meant to offend you by pointing that out. Farming the full set at 60 is very counterproductive if you're aiming to hit 80 at some point and that's really what most people are trying to do.

[odinsnephew]

Agreed, but he wanted the bow. I mentioned my Dwarf getting the gun which is similar. Not too long to get really. And yes most of it is very easily replaced fairly quickly I know. One of my characters PvP's in wsg/AB at 69 and when i'm not using my Northrend bow I sometimes switch back to that same gun. To be honest the difference is minimal with the Adamantite ammo, but being a Dwarf I get the extra crit with the gun. Ask Horde on Misery EU battlegroup 60-69 which hunter they despise most :grin:

I just don't like it when people say it's worthless to bother with and to get to 80 blah blah dont waste time/marks/honor. Each to their own as you say.

Also in my experience I will add there are an increasing amount of players going back to this "Old school" feel. I know of at least 2 guilds on my realms that are retro guys playing to 60 content. Pointless to most people? Probably yes. But again, thats their choice. I'm a mix of both really.

But yeah farming the whole lot is rather silly unless it's an alt that you intend to keep there. One piece that is an upgrade has got to be worthwhile and also a can be a nice diversion doing some bg's after all that leveling.

Just something different to aim for in the short term :)

[Boneshaker]

why would u want a lvl 60 item?

Well I have a lvl 49 hunter at the moment and had thought that this weapon might improve my game play from lvl 60 to at least Northrend. Also looks like a fun PVP weapon (fast) looks like it would give casters a fit. There is a bow called Hurricane that is available to me now that has similar speed though less DPS but I guess its twink gear as the AH on my server rarely has it for less than 300 gold. I have a lvl 50 bow in my bank I guess I will be using next. I think its called Gryphonwing recurve. Its a decent bow though much slower.

Im guessing from your question that its more prudent to wait till lvl 70 or even 80 to cash in for your PVP rewards?

Most of the lvl 80 players I know are getting the bulk of their gear from heroic instances. Im on a PVE server though so that may be the difference.

You all make very good points. I do not plan to twink this char. but I do enjoy the Bg's from time to time and I guess that was my main thought for getting this bow. I think I will just use my BG marks to get a war mount at lvl 60 when I can step up to the faster riding skills and mount. Providing my new PC will allow me to function in AV lag free so I can earn the marks there..

[Aerath]

Simply put - if you enjoy your time in BGs to get enough marks and honour for the bow, it's time well spent. It's afterall the whole point of the game, to have fun.
If it feels like a drag, let it go and don't bother. The PvP weapons will carry you a fair bit (at the very least till level 65, possibly even all the way till Northrend), but it you don't like spending a fair bit of time to get them, there's no damage done.

If I may offer one piece of advice - do the PvP daily. It's a nice amount of honour and will get you some money and exp too.

[Superspam]

I don't know the stats on the bow, but as a general rule wouldn't you want a slower bow for PvP? I haven't played a hunter in a long time (probably pre-BC), but I'm assuming they're specials are modified by weapon damage like the other physical damage dealers. If I'm correct, the slower bow with higher top end damage would give you greater burst. Couple this with the fact that spell push back has been changed, and a quick bow doesn't make any sense to me. Am I right, or way off?

[Cerberus]

Hunter abilities are typically normalized weapon damage+(ranged attack power*coefficient)+a bonus. Top end damage isn't as important as the X% increased weapon damage abilities, but there is some point to it still. You're correct about pushback. You can't get more than 1 (2x0,5) second pushback on a single cast now and even less with pushback resistance from gear or talents.

You can get bows that are 2-3 dps off the recurve at 62 and actual upgrades from then on. I'd probably do 60-62 in one sitting if I logged on at 60. Saving the honor for 80 will give you gear you'll enjoy for a lot longer.

[Boneshaker]

Thanks for the continued discussion and info. I am still new to this game in most respects.