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DarkDesires

27-02-2009, 04:05 AM

prion

27-02-2009, 05:03 AM

for offensive spellcasting night elves have the options of being a Priest specializing in Shadow or a Druid specializing in Balance.

balance is the elvish word for "frickin' laser beams"

Druids can do literally every role in the game and even when specialized they still have access to multiple roles

wyren

27-02-2009, 05:38 AM

Be a druid they rock. They are hard till you get to level 20. They can do everything depending on spec. very fun after 30. Warlocks are very easy caster. roll undead for horde cannabalism nothing says I care in PVP like eating their corpse. Try a couple of different characters to 20 and tell us what you liked and did not like.

mmorpg man

27-02-2009, 10:15 AM

both gnomes and humans have their advantages. humans have increased spirit (gives more mana regeneration), gnomes have increased intellect (gives more mana). of course if you did choose a gnome mage you would have to endure the taunting the gnomes get. on the night elf side, you can go druid and spec in balance, or you can go horde and roll a bloodelf mage. the only difference between to 2 elven races is the colour of their skin and the faction in which they play.

Tythalia

27-02-2009, 10:25 AM

mages are definately fun, I myself wish I had one, and my dislike of gnomes limits me to just Human or Draenei for a mage. and as the others said, a Night Elf Druid could also do that, especially with their moonkin form which has an epic dance style I might add. or you could go Horde side, with a Blood Elf, Troll or Undead. if you'd like more detail let me know.

I must say that it was so hard for me to not use WoW slang while talking about that lol. also, I'm quite partial to Night Elves and Blood Elves.

semiiramiis

27-02-2009, 02:07 PM

Hello,

I havent made a character yet because im stuck on the customasation, i dont know which to chose. I know i want to be an offensive magic user but the night elf i really like. I also have no idea what a druid even after reading it.

I'm using the trial version, at the minute im playing Guild Wars, and dislike it, so someone actually told me to try this so i have, the server is 'Normal' Saurfung, EU.

Can Some Body Help? Should I Go Normal and Be a Human as a Magi, Or a Gnome? Or Can a nightelf actually be a damage dealer?

If anyone could help it would be amazing :cloud9:

Thank You

My first comment is, as always, play what you want. The greatest racial is +100 to "I can stand to look at this character for how long it's going to take to get where I want to go with it."

Yes. Nelves can lay down the offensive caster hurt. Balance druids (aka oomkins, boomkins, or in my guild "That feathered push broom in my way!" <our guild master is one, and we tease him mercilessly for it>) They're a little slow to level in the beginning, but pay you back for it later. And yes, shadow priests also can do the job as well.

elsegundo

27-02-2009, 06:11 PM

go to youtube and watch some videos.

for what its worth, my druid was probably my fifth character, and its the first character i leveled to 70 and also the first to reach 80 when the expansion hit. i am currently working on another druid with a different spec and so far that's been pretty fun as well.

DarkDesires

27-02-2009, 06:34 PM

elsegundo

27-02-2009, 06:47 PM

So its okay for me to go nightelf and still be an offensive spellcaster. Since im new i really dont understand 'Balance Druid' or 'Shadow Priest' is a shadow preiest like a normal priest and is expected to heal, and such. The Druid it self looks like alot of fun i just dont know what 'Balance' is, since im going to be offensive. Since this is the trial version i dont have access to bloodelf should i get the games just for that race??. Also a question a friend said you get to have a 'mount' so do i like get to have a tiger or such with a druid?

yes. you can still be an offensive spell caster. its actually pretty weak in the early levels actually. but if its your first character, you really will not feel the difference.

the term balance and shadow basicall describes the talent specifications of the class. each class can choose one of three paths, or mix. to do this, you will only have to allocate talent points to a certain "tree" or "spec". there are three per class, remember that.

for the druid, the three specs are balance, feral and restoration, or "resto".
for priests, the three specs are shadow, holy and discipline, or "disc".
the reason why night elves cannot be mages is due to lore. you will understand it one day.

night elves can naturally get the tiger mount. i say naturally because for any other alliance race to get the same tiger mount, they would have to raise their reputation up to exalted ino order to purchase one. a nightelf, however, will naturally be able to purchase one without any reputation limitation. you can gain rep through doing quests for the various factions. dont worry, you will end up doing quests for pretty much all factions by the time you hit 60. most of my characters, if leveled by themselves, would gain exalted reputation with most factions by the time they reach 60.

watch youtube for balance druids. there's a few videos out there. if you get confused as to which is the balance druid in the video, its the fat bird thing.

also, every druid starts off "balance" from levels 1-15 or 1-20. its because our bread and butters spells are casting spells in those levels and we do not receive talent points to put into respective "specs" until level 10.

did that answer your questions or did that just make you ask more? lol

DarkDesires

27-02-2009, 07:14 PM

elsegundo

27-02-2009, 07:38 PM

druids are birds because they can shapeshift into different animal aspects. each animal has its own strengths and weaknesses, therefore specializing them in a certain way. at level 10 druids can get bear form, which is a rough and tough "tank" form. damage is limited (though in real life damage from bears is pretty amazing) compared to other forms. at level 20 the druid receives cat form and can melee dps a bit better. at level 30, they get travel form, which is a cheetah whose main purpose is to travel. armor is low, there are no special abilities, just run. at 68 druids get flight form, which looks a bit like a large raven. this is for flight only, and does not have any special abilities, much like travel form.

you can also get moonkin form from talents in the balance spec. or Tree of Life form from talents in the restoration spec. these give certain bonuses to its respective type of spells.

as for a druid being a bird, thats just how it is in WoW. moonkins were guardians of Elune's stuffs. Elune is basically the god of the moon, or the night elve's main diety. these birds have magical powers and it translate into the druid balance tree really well.

as for the videos. let me look through them. some are pvp oriented, some are not.

from the list you showed me. here's a good balance video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3OKDF_0I7k

the first few spells he used are starfire (the one with the three magic residue circles above the mob).
the second is wrath, which is a shortcast nature ball spell. yes, nature ball. not fire ball, not iceball.... NATURE BALL BABY!!
and the last spell he used in the lowbie area is moonfire. it looks like a beam of light coming from directly above. which is why we call them lazer chickens sometimes.

in shadowmoon valley, he's fighting mobs his level probably, or just a bit lower. the trees you see helping him is a balance spell attained only if you use talent poits for it. he summoned 3 treents to help him fight. additionally, he also uses a rooting technique called Entangling Roots to well, "root" the mob so he can get some distance in order to safely cast his spells. this is the basic idea for most casting classes except for the priest and maybe the warlock. but thats going further and i dont wanna do that right now.

in the pvp video you can see him switching forms. as a chicken/moonkin, it gives him certain benefits. one is a 5% increase in his critical strike chance for his party on spells, another is an increase in armor. i think the multiplier is 350% of your current armor. this mitigates physical damage but zero magic damage.

ok... anything else?

Superspam

27-02-2009, 07:48 PM

So the tree you could say is like that of city of hereos you chose a first power and its tree. Why are druids birds? http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=balance+druid&aq=f which is the best video out of them to show me?

and which shows me the best 'shadow priest' http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=shadow%20priest&search=Search&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&spell=1

Thats cool about the tiger ^^.

Also it kind of made me ask more questions

Druid combat revolves around different animal forms they can shape-shift into.

At level 10, druids complete a quest to get bear form. This is primarily a tank form. A tank is someone whose role is to take large amounts of damage while other group memebers bring down a mob.

At level 15, druids get sea lion form. This just lets you breathe indefinitely underwater and gives you a 50% swim speed boost. No real combat benefits.

At level 20, druids get cat form (a panther (?) for night elves or a lion for tauren). This is the druid's melee dps (hand to hand damage dealing) form. It functions much like a rogue, allowing you to attack from stealth and bring a mob down in melee combat. It's also the most popular form used when leveling.

Level 30 brings travel (cheeta) form. This gives a 30% (?) land speed increase. You can buy your first mount at this level as well. That's a 60% speed increase so this is much more situational than it was when you couldn't get mounts until 40.

If you're speccing balance, level 40 brings moonkin form. I'm not sure of the specifics but moonkin gives you bonuses to your damage spells. This (I'm assuming because I can't check youtube from work) is the weird laser shooting chicken you're seeing in the videos.

At level 50, you can get tree of life form if you're speccing resto. This form gives bonuses to your healing spells.

Level 68 brings flight form, allowing you to fly at +60% speed without the need of a mount. This can only be used in Outlands and Northrend.

Level 70 brings the quest for your epic flight form. It's long. It's expensive. The +280% flight speed is worth it.

I don't have a high level druid (but I just started one. Cat tonight :grin:) so any of you real druids please correct anything I missed/got wrong.

edit: BAH! My boss came by and I had to look busy so Else beat me to it.

elsegundo

27-02-2009, 07:54 PM

lol.. super, my boss is not in at the moment. so im taking this time to write longer-than-usual posts!

to the OP, i have two druids. one 80, one 65. the 80 is feral tanking and the 65 is instance dpsing and healing (yes only instances, which is why she's still 65). i'll help you with what i do know about the class.

mmorpg man

27-02-2009, 08:24 PM

your talent trees give you benefits to different spells for your role, try not to compare them too much to the power groups in CoH; it just gets too confusing to explain. as far as priests go, the shadow tree is your main dps tree, whereas holy and disc are healing trees. the main highlight of the shadow tree is shadowform, which is basically the the priest's equivelent to the druid's moonkin form (the bird). it increases the damage you do with shadow spells.

DarkDesires

27-02-2009, 11:33 PM

DarkDesires

28-02-2009, 12:54 AM

Okay i started playing as a night elf druid, and i have to say its pretty fun, more fun than GW. I might buy them ^^

I am a Druid, Im Wondering Though Is The Archer Class Any good? Or Are The Druids Archers, With Pets Inside Them.

elsegundo

28-02-2009, 12:58 AM

okay so what i can sum up from it all, is that druids are like rangers but just have the anime shape shift, while casting form aside.

I still not certain the job of shadow priest? Is it onlevel with the damage dealers?

Thanks for the video

kinda. but rangers are more like hunters. i think.

in any case, about shadow priests, they tend to use shadow energy as magic, as opposed to ice or frost or arcane or nature or whatevers. just think of it as another school of magic that's not technically opposite holy but acts as a counterpart. much like fire vs. frost. you can think of this as light vs. dark. whatever the case may be, somehow priests have this ability to tap into the dark or even demonic energies of the world and use it. i wouldnt worry too much about the legitimacy of shadow and shadow magic. just take it for what it is, a way to use magic to kill things.

mmorpg man

28-02-2009, 01:11 AM

hunter in WoW = ranger in GW.
balance druid in wow = elementalist in GW
feral druid in bear form = warrior in GW
feral druid in cat form = assassin in GW
restoration druid = monk in GW
shadow priest in wow = elementalist in GW
holy or disc priest in wow = monk in GW

if you prefer you can think of it another way which is a priest in wow is like an elementalist/monk. then if you spec in your monk attributes you get the wow holy priest, if you spec in your ele attributes you get the wow shadow priest. both are capable of healing but the holy priest is more designed for healing and the shadow priest is more designed for dealing damage.

there are 5 different magic schools in wow; fire, frost, arcane, shadow and nature. there are basically the same except they are used by different classes. mages can use fire, frost and arcane. priests can use shadow, druids can use nature.

semiiramiis

28-02-2009, 01:21 AM

So its okay for me to go nightelf and still be an offensive spellcaster. Since im new i really dont understand 'Balance Druid' or 'Shadow Priest' is a shadow preiest like a normal priest and is expected to heal, and such. The Druid it self looks like alot of fun i just dont know what 'Balance' is, since im going to be offensive. Since this is the trial version i dont have access to bloodelf should i get the games just for that race??. Also a question a friend said you get to have a 'mount' so do i like get to have a tiger or such with a druid?

in order of asking:

1. Yes.
2. A priest can go from being a true healer (holy) to a full dps (shadow) with the expenditure of gold. A specialization is not a permanent choice. And a holy priest can still do damage, just not as much as a shadow priest. And a shadow priest can still heal, just not as well as a holy priest.
3. "Balance" druids (Boomkin) throw out a lot of damage. Just like the priest, a specialization is not a permanent choice. And yes, your boomkin can still heal, just not as well as a healing specced druid.
4. Blood Elves can be priests but night elves are the only elven race that can be druids. Blood elves can be priests, mages and warlocks as offensive casters.
5. Druids can buy mounts the same as any other character. (but because they don't need them, often choose not to) Cats are the racial mount of Night elves, so a Blood Elf will never (okay...sure...rare zg drops notwithstanding) ever be able to have one. Blood Elves ride turkeys.. um... Hawkstriders, big birds. When you gain enough pull (reputation) with other races in your faction, you can buy their racial mounts as well, but night elves and blood elves are on opposing factions. So your night elf can eventually buy any of the alliance racial mounts- elekk, horses, mechanostriders, rams while your blood elf can buy any of the horde racial mounts- kodo, undead horses, raptors, wolves.

DarkDesires

28-02-2009, 01:31 AM

mmorpg man

28-02-2009, 01:37 AM

you can upgrade your account from a trial version at the blizzard official website (in account management). when you get to level 10 you will get your first talent point and will be able to view the talent trees of your class (defult button "N"). there you will see 3 tabs labled (for your druid) restoration, balance and feral. click on the balance tab for your balance talents and spend your talent point in 1 of the balance tree talents. the same goes for your priest except instead of balance, feral and restoration, you'll have discipline, holy and shadow.

elsegundo

28-02-2009, 01:41 AM

Thanks alot for your help ^^; I just need to figure out how to keep my druid balanced, and im making a priest so i need to figure out how to make that shadow (both night elf)

Again thanks for your help alot, if you can just bare with me a little bit more then i will grasp it and b on my way. I am thinking of buying the game, its a shame they havent got it all bundled together. Can i buy it online itself? Like by the game online from blizzard so its tied to my account.

they have the battlechest, but that includes only the burning crusade expansion with the original game. i am sure in several months we will see battlechests with all three.

as far as learning how to make your priest shadow and your druid balance, i think i touched upon this before but didnt go into detail. here is the detail.
once you hit level 10, you will gain 1 talent point. you will continue to gain 1 talent point every time you level thereafter. use these talent points on your talent board. this board will have all three talent trees. to access the talent board, there is a button in your menu at the bottom of the screen (it is where your character, spells, acheivements, menu, options, performance buttons are). or... press "N".

in order to make your druid more "balance", not "balanced", you will need to add these talent points to your balance tree. these talents not only improves your "balance" you, but it can also benefit other aspects of your "resto" you or even "feral" you. but thats just a side benefit. what we want to do really is improve your "balance" you. what better way to do that than to simply make your wrath spell's casting time shorter? or increase the damage of your moonfire? or give yourself better mana regeneration? or add more spell power? or even give yourself the ability to inflict entangling roots on someone you're trying to get away from? those are the improvements you can make in the balance tree to make your druid more "balance".

hope that answers your question there.

here is a picture of a druid's talent tree i got by simply googling "balance druid talent tree".

http://pastorplayz.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/parabuildwotlk.jpg remember every level gives you a point starting at level 10. so at level 20 you should have 11 points to mess with and at level 80 you should have 71 talent points.

to further detail this....
each row is considered a Tier.
you must start at the first tier (the top) and make your way down.
in order to open up the second tier to add talents to, you must fill out a minimum number of talents for the tiers above. meaning this. the first tier is always open to add points to whenever you wish. the second tier will only open up after using 5 points in that tree. the third tier will only be opened up when you use 10 points in that tree. and so forth and so on. to unlock each subsequent tier, it requires the use of 5 additional points. this can be used anywhere in the lower level tiers. its a bit complicated at first, but you will get used to it.

edit: just so there's no confusion, the talent spread above is for a resto druid. as you can see, he has 55 points in the resto tree and 16 in the balance tree. he has "talented" or "spec" his druid for more efficient healing, more powerful heals, better healing from his HoTs (Heal over Time spells) and other skill that benefits a healing type character. He also has a point in nature's swiftness, which is an ability he can use once every few minutes to immediately cast a healing spell that would normally take 3 or 4 seconds. he also has put points in a talent that makes his shapeshifting more mana efficient, meaning it will eat up less of his mana when switching forms. this is great for a healer if he needs to switch forms and run around, change into bear forms to avoid dying as fast, or to do emergency things. while im healing, i have a button that will change me to a bear and hit bash, which stuns the target and gives the tank time to run to me. with better mana efficiency, i can save some mana from shapeshifting to do things that are actually more important, like healing.

hope this clears things up about the talent tree and how it benefits and differentiates you from the other druids.
=]

DarkDesires

28-02-2009, 05:15 PM

DarkDesires

28-02-2009, 07:44 PM

When do i know to move on from an aera im in? Does the game basically tell you?

Anyndra

28-02-2009, 09:26 PM

When you get high enough and complete quests in your current area, you will often get a quest that asks you to go deliver something or speak with someone in another area. Some areas dont have this but even in those cases you know you should move on when you run out of quests or everything that's left is too high level.

As for secondaries, WoW doesnt have those. When you roll a class that's what you'll be until you make another character. The Balance form is called Moonkin, and it's the 31 pointer there, as I recall. Flight form is available to druids of all specs at lvl 68 from your trainer.

semiiramiis

01-03-2009, 02:15 AM

Thats helped alot thank you ^^. I know what to do now, i know im going to get the full version, im enjoying it alot more. Also is there secondary proffessions you have? Or are you just a druid or priest? On the Balance tree i dont see the ability to change into a bird for flight, etc

All druids can gain the shapeshift forms, regardless of spec, except for... restos get healing tree form and balance get the furbolg form. Cat, bear, seal, bird... all druids can get them

Each toon has only one class.

And in Wow, secondary professions refers to the professional skills of first aid, cooking and fishing, not dual classing. (Each toon can have two "primary professions" to make items and money with, and all three of the secondary ones.)

prion

01-03-2009, 03:01 AM

that would be moonkin and not furbolg

semiiramiis

01-03-2009, 03:01 PM

that would be moonkin and not furbolg

Thanks..posting while medicated never a good idea... yes...owlkin.

Your Average WoW Player

01-03-2009, 06:47 PM

One thing to note about WoW and talent tree specs, is is that there's a lot out there. Guides, sample builds, recommended builds, the so-called "ub3r-1337 pwn build" and the works. In WoW, a lot of what you do is based on whatever you feel is best FOR YOU. You can read guides, sample trees, WoWwiki, whatever, but they shouldn't be your bible and guide when building your character. Take those as a starting point and rework it to what you feel is best for you.

As a druid, you'll get the other shapeshift forms as you level:
10: Bear Form (A tank)
16: Aquatic (seal, sea lion) Form (Makes swimming easier)
20: Cat Form (Melee rogue type damage dealer)
30: Travel Form (Makes land travel easier until you can get a mount)
40: Dire Bear Form (An upgrade to Bear Form)
40*: Moonkin Form (Improves damage spell casting)
50**: Tree of Life Form (Improves healing)
68: Flight Form (Allows Flying)
71: Epic Flight Form (Allows faster Flying)

*Provided you have properly laid out your talents in the Balance Tree
**Provided you have properly laid out your talents in the Restoration Tree

DarkDesires

01-03-2009, 07:28 PM

Anyndra

01-03-2009, 09:05 PM

Blizzard doesnt delete characters, and the monthly fee is per account.

semiiramiis

02-03-2009, 02:25 AM

Thanks alot, i cant wait to get the full version. Also if i havent got the game before th trial expires will it delete my character?? And is it true that the monthly fee is per character? So you pay per character

No, to both of these.

1. Blizzard holds toons indefinitely. Only you can delete them from your account.

2. The monthly fee is per account. Each account can hold up to 50 characters, ten per server. (Mine currently has about 20) I pay no more than someone with only one toon on their account, nor any less than someone with 30.

DarkDesires

02-03-2009, 02:39 AM

No, to both of these.

1. Blizzard holds toons indefinitely. Only you can delete them from your account.

2. The monthly fee is per account. Each account can hold up to 50 characters, ten per server. (Mine currently has about 20) I pay no more than someone with only one toon on their account, nor any less than someone with 30.

Thanks Alot, Someone Said It Was Per Character And Im So Happy Its Not Now I Can Have 2 Night Elfs A Blood Elf, And The Rest Of Them. :laugh:

elsegundo

02-03-2009, 06:56 PM

Thanks Alot, Someone Said It Was Per Character And Im So Happy Its Not Now I Can Have 2 Night Elfs A Blood Elf, And The Rest Of Them. :laugh:
Just to clarify, if you never upgrade your account to a normal/paid account, Blizz will delete your trial account eventually. i do not know the details of this but i've tried to log into a trial in order to see if its still there because i wanted to send it a referal and it was gone. so... trial accounts that never get upgraded will be deleted eventually. logical, imo.

DarkDesires

03-03-2009, 12:53 AM

Okay i got but since i bought the EU Treasure Chest online, it should arrive soon

Findariel

04-03-2009, 07:02 AM

Why don't you buy the TBC expansion and become blood elf ^^
Belfs > Nelfs.

(I have 8 belf casters haha)

Wintrow

04-03-2009, 08:37 AM

Thanks Alot, Someone Said It Was Per Character And Im So Happy Its Not Now I Can Have 2 Night Elfs A Blood Elf, And The Rest Of Them. :laugh:

Apparently happy = posting with each word "first letter capitalised" ?

Then I'm Happy Too !!

:grin:

elsegundo

04-03-2009, 06:26 PM

Why don't you buy the TBC expansion and become blood elf ^^
Belfs > Nelfs.

(I have 8 belf casters haha)because blood elves got no droooods...

but you're right. the point was that he/she wanted a caster character.
now that he has TBC through buying the battlechest, he can start making blood elf characters too. this opens the door to mages, warlocks, and even paladins if you consider they do have a ranged attack as holy.

Wintrow

05-03-2009, 10:47 AM

Classifying Holy Paladins as "casters" feels like stretching the concept quite a bit too far though...

In that respect Retadins are casters as well (Repentance?)

DarkDesires

05-03-2009, 10:41 PM

Yeah when my chest arrives (i have wrath of the king expansion it arrived quicker than my chest, which im still waiting for). Im going to make a Blood Elf caster, properly the element one.

elsegundo

06-03-2009, 12:07 AM

Classifying Holy Paladins as "casters" feels like stretching the concept quite a bit too far though...

In that respect Retadins are casters as well (Repentance?)

my prot Avenger Shield owns Repentance.

Wintrow

06-03-2009, 01:42 PM

Yeah when my chest arrives (i have wrath of the king expansion it arrived quicker than my chest, which im still waiting for). Im going to make a Blood Elf caster, properly the element one.

Blood Elfs can be Mage, Warlock and Priest (as caster classes)

None of them are 'element' (well, a Mage can go Fire/Frost, but that's only at high level).

Shamans can be "Elemental", but they are not available to Blood Elves. Only Tauren, Orcs, Trolls and Draenei can be shamans.

--> I'm not sure what Blood Elf class you mean by 'element'

mmorpg man

06-03-2009, 02:02 PM

he meant the class which relates to the elementalist in guildwars. in which case you want a mage

DarkDesires

07-03-2009, 01:59 AM

he meant the class which relates to the elementalist in guildwars. in which case you want a mage

That is what i meant sorry for the confusion.