Now lower the level for cold weather flying

[Kasal]

Okay, now don't hate me for this.

Maybe I'm not a purist, or hardcore enough, or whatever. But I've never cared for the idea that the flying mount that I've worked for and paid for is unavailable to me until level 77. It just seems contrived, frankly.

This isn't a hill to die on for me. I'm just sayin'.

Am I in the minority on this?

[prion]

it definitely is contrived.
i totally see where you're coming from. as far as the role goes it makes no sense whatever.
but i also have to say that i agree with it. it's so easy to get around northrend that the continent seems small to me. it would be worse if we could fly to start with.

P.S. i'm sure they will change it later

[wyren]

I wish that they would change this before all my alts are 80. I hate having to wait to fly.

[ptarn]

On the one hand I can understand why Blizzard chose to restrict flying in Northrend until at least level 77. That way you HAVE to explore, have to 'get to know' the layout of the lands before you go flying over it and missing all the wonderful things they created.
On the other hand I can understand why you (and others) would see the restriction on flying in Northrend lifted. I mean, you learned to fly to at 70 and would like to continue using your flying mount when you hop over to another continent.

But, consider this: You didn't learn how to fly until you reached level 70. This means that you had to explore all of Outland on your epic ground mount. Did you not enjoy this as well? At least in Northrend you get to learn how to fly (again) three levels before reaching 80. So isn't that an advantage in comparison with when you learned to fly in Outland?

I for one enjoyed having to ride around and getting to know all the nooks and crannies in Northrend with my first level 80. Granted, with a second/third/fourth/etc. character, I would really like to be able to learn how to fly sooner, but that's how it is. I'd rather see Blizzard creating some new content in the old world now and then so the levelling will become a bit more 'fresh' again instead of focusing on getting people to 80 as soon as possible. I'd really welcome a revamp of the old dungeons (heroic modes?), since it's really a shame that most newcomers don't get to experience that lovely content anymore (unless by choice, but most newcomers focus only on levelling asap).

[Maticus]

This is another thing that people complain about while the restriction is in place, but will cry about when it's removed, just like everyone moaning about the new riding levels lol. You can never please everyone!

But yeah I agree, it's a pain. Right now, I think most people jump straight to Northrend at about lvl 68 so they never miss flying. That will all change after patch 3.2 though, if you have epic flying you'll go from 280% speed back to 100% ground mount when you hit NR.

Like you guys, I fully understand why Blizzard do this. And I also agree that it will probably be removed, some time after the next expansion IMO.

[Mazhulsage]

Obviously, Blizz put it in place so that we can't skip areas until we're pretty much at the top end areas anyway.

Personally, I think it's a load of crap, and did from the beginning. Yes, I will complain when they make it to where you're level 60 and you can buy an epic flyer for 1000g and you can fly across every zone including Azeroth without restriction, until you hit the new areas and it happens again...

[snowieken]

On the one hand I can understand why Blizzard chose to restrict flying in Northrend until at least level 77. That way you HAVE to explore, have to 'get to know' the layout of the lands before you go flying over it and missing all the wonderful things they created.
On the other hand I can understand why you (and others) would see the restriction on flying in Northrend lifted. I mean, you learned to fly to at 70 and would like to continue using your flying mount when you hop over to another continent.

But, consider this: You didn't learn how to fly until you reached level 70. This means that you had to explore all of Outland on your epic ground mount. Did you not enjoy this as well? At least in Northrend you get to learn how to fly (again) three levels before reaching 80. So isn't that an advantage in comparison with when you learned to fly in Outland?

I for one enjoyed having to ride around and getting to know all the nooks and crannies in Northrend with my first level 80. Granted, with a second/third/fourth/etc. character, I would really like to be able to learn how to fly sooner, but that's how it is. I'd rather see Blizzard creating some new content in the old world now and then so the levelling will become a bit more 'fresh' again instead of focusing on getting people to 80 as soon as possible. I'd really welcome a revamp of the old dungeons (heroic modes?), since it's really a shame that most newcomers don't get to experience that lovely content anymore (unless by choice, but most newcomers focus only on levelling asap).Quoted for truth, enough said. I agree 100% with everything you say.

[Valas Azuviir]

Obviously, Blizz put it in place so that we can't skip areas until we're pretty much at the top end areas anyway.

Personally, I think it's a load of crap, and did from the beginning. Yes, I will complain when they make it to where you're level 60 and you can buy an epic flyer for 1000g and you can fly across every zone including Azeroth without restriction, until you hit the new areas and it happens again...

Not going to happen. Just isn't realistic. Revamping Azeroth to allow for flying would mean overhauling the entire world. It's a simple cost/benefit equation really. Costs X for Y benefit and Y isn't high enough to justify X.

Fiddling with the level limits of when to allow for mounts on the other hand, doesn't create such problems.

[Handelin]

My suggestion to Blizz would be something like if you have a level 80 in your account already and have suffered through not having your flying mount once, they wave the level restriction in Northrend for the rest of your characters. That way you've had the opportunity to see all the nooks and crannies as posted before, but don't have to suffer through it all again if you choose not to, cause lets face it most of us are leveling an alt to enjoy end game content, not to rediscover the world.

[Davemetalhead]

I disagree. There is no need for flying mounts in the early areas of Northrend - convenient, sure, but not needed. You'll almost certainly need one for Stormpeaks and Ice Crown, but by then you should be at least 77 anyway. There are a multitude of flight-paths available, as well as no pre-77 content that can't be reached on foot.

[Mazhulsage]

They also said that ground mounts were for level 40, then 30... Epic mounts were for 60's because that's a REAL place where we start truely using our skills... Now 40. They also said that Outland was too good to explore so no flying until 70. Now it's 60.

What else? Oh, millions of other things. Example: Old Gods were supposed to be (For the most part) Immortal.

[Valas Azuviir]

Apples and Oranges.

It's like saying that because Chess, marathon running and American Football are all sports, you'd need the exact same physical developments in order to excel in them.

[clevins]

They also said that ground mounts were for level 40, then 30... Epic mounts were for 60's because that's a REAL place where we start truely using our skills... Now 40. They also said that Outland was too good to explore so no flying until 70. Now it's 60.
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Epic mounts at 60 meant "epic mounts at level cap." It meant you'd reached the pinnacle of where your toon could go and one of the benefits of doing that was that you, and only you, could ride at epic speeds. 60 is far from that now.

Flying was similar - 70 was the level cap and one of the perks for hitting it was the ability to fly. It had little or nothing to do with Outland being cool, but even that reason was fine - it WAS cool to explore... when it was endgame. It's no longer endgame territory and 70 is no longer the highest level you can achieve, so there's no reason to limit flight to 70s.

I'll give you a preview of the future... someday mount levels will change again. Perhaps even epic flight requirements. Cold Weather flying will drop to 68 or 70. When? When we've all moved on and Northrend is just another set of zones.

[Wintrow]

I disagree. There is no need for flying mounts in the early areas of Northrend - convenient, sure, but not needed. You'll almost certainly need one for Stormpeaks and Ice Crown, but by then you should be at least 77 anyway. There are a multitude of flight-paths available, as well as no pre-77 content that can't be reached on foot.

I'm w Dave on this.
A lot of flight paths (they even often SEND you to it), epic ground mount is pretty zippy compared to non-epic.

I only really "needed" it in Gun'drak where sometimes you'd need to take a big detour when your objective is right beside you but on a higher tier. And even THAT was only minimal and very well taken care of...

I did think it was going to be a lot more annoying than what it turned out to be though...

[Donsta]

I just wish they'd lower the level so I don't have to wait for my alts to get to 77. can we compromise and make it 75?

[det]

I expect cold weather flying to be available at lv 70 once we are off to the next expansion. And I expect a "no fly" rule in the next expansion too.

Blizzard has stated why they did it...contrived or not, I do not regret the rides I have to take, even now on my 4th character in Northrend.

[aquafine]

If you think about it, they make where the flight paths take you through. So in Azeroth they show you cool scenery with flying. If you fly in a place like NR or OL chances are your flying so high all you see are the treetops. They put a lot of work into scenery, and they want you to enjoy it. It's not terribly hard to be on the ground till 77. Instead of looking up to the sky, why not look in front of you?

[elsegundo]

i leveled my first character to 77 and learned cold weather flying right away. it was a major boost to getting to 80 quickly.
i leveled my second character to 77 and skipped cold weather flying. instead, i just learned the normal flying skill and got the loaner mount from K3. i am 80 now and still do not have epic flying or cold weather flying on this char, tho i have more than enough gold for it. i dont know why the difference. i didnt feel the need at all on my 2nd level 80. it makes the world feel a lot bigger, tbh.